Irish lit thread

[OP No.16073171]

I'm a modern irish progressive, looking to educate myself about the Irish Right and reactionary irish philosophy. Any decent works from catholic, nationalist or just generally conservative irish authors? (I've read Pearse of course)

I'm of the opinion that the right never had a place in Ireland really. I have a right-wing friend who claims irish nationalists were always philosophically conservative but this seems like nonsense to me. Pearse, Connolly and Griffith would be proud of modern Ireland, only problem is we don't have the united 32 counties.

[OP No.16073180]

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[Anonymous No.16073222]

>Pearse, Connolly and Griffith would be proud of modern Ireland

They'd be fucking proud of legal baby murdering and blaxis filling the country and calling themselves Irish? You're delusional, Ireland wasn't even prosperous yet when capitalists started pouring nogs and pakis into it like they do everywhere else to depress local solidarity (ethnic
religious and working class).

You had better be the Pearse spammer using reverse psychology and not someone who actually thinks black Irishmen makes any fucking sense.

[Anonymous No.16073532]

I'm the Pearse spammer. He would not be proud of modern Ireland.

Read Mitchel

[Anonymous No.16073569]

Being an Irish reactionary prior to the Free State would be being pro-English, no?

[Anonymous No.16073584]

>>16073222
>>Pearse, Connolly and Griffith would be proud of modern Ireland
>They'd be fucking proud of legal baby murdering and blaxis filling the country and calling themselves Irish?

Connolly was a literal Communist.

[Anonymous No.16073598]

>>16073222
Silence, goy. You lost any right to your own homeland when you oppressed the ancient KANGZ.

[Anonymous No.16073604]

>>16073171
Isn't the entire history of dissent in your country a reactionary, nationalist, pro-labor, populist one?

[Anonymous No.16073616]

>>16073604
Connolly: "The Socialists will not understand why I am here; they forget I am an Irishman."
You can't have socialism without nationalism in the Irish tradition.

[Anonymous No.16073643]

>>16073616
Based

[Anonymous No.16073655]

Denis Fahey

[Anonymous No.16073672]

>>16073643
It's a pretty common response to colonization, esp by the brits for whatever reason. If John Adams, Patrick Henry, or Abraham Lincoln was alive today, he'd be a proud socialist.

[Anonymous No.16073704]

>>16073171
Irish 'nationalists' are all commies so good luck with that.

[OP No.16073734]

You guys are so mean :(

>>16073222
Pearse was a cross dressing homosexual tho, he would have supported pride. Plus on race what happened to Land of a Thousand Welcomes? The irish have always been a multiethnic society - look at our relationship with the english! The english and Irish have had a multicultural society for years, many english have integrated well in here

>>16073532
> Mitchell
Mitchell who?
And Pearse would be proud - Ireland is stronger than ever. Any true nationalist would welcome the GDP growth that immigration provides
>>16073569
this
>>16073604
nah they were all progressves. homosexuals, feminists and disabled people secured us the modern ireland. we can't discount the role african americans played in the irish experience too

plus socialism is cringe, the true union in ireland now is between those who love Ireland and hate racism, and those right-wingers who have the reverse views

[Anonymous No.16073754]

>>16073734
>nah they were all progressves. homosexuals, feminists and disabled people secured us the modern ireland. we can't discount the role african americans played in the irish experience too
Holy shit m8 just kill yourself.

[Anonymous No.16073879]

>>16073754
he's joking around, trying to get (you)s. Usually responses on a heinously liberal and factually incorrect post like this are pretty hilarious as rightoids come out of the woodwork seething, unable to determine the bait.
Congrats on giving him a little boost of dopamine with your response, faggot.

[Anonymous No.16074002]

>reactionary
>conservative
>right-wing
>nationalist
>catholic
Holy shit, you’re one confused motherfucker, aren’t you?

[Anonymous No.16074014]

>>16073171
Wat about yeats

[OP No.16074038]

>>16073655
more like dis pls

[Anonymous No.16074157]

>>16073734
>Mitchell who?

Nice bait anon

[Anonymous No.16074188]

Edward Cahill's framework of a Christian state

[OP No.16074936]

>>16073532
jesus reading about mitchell now, so based

[Anonymous No.16075230]

>>16074936
Going to start spamming Mitchel as well.

[Anonymous No.16075248]

High Dooley

[Anonymous No.16075276]

>>16073171
>I'm of the opinion that the right never had a place in Ireland really
Lad, people call FG blue shirts because they sent people to fight for Franco. We used institutionalise more people than any other country in the world, which is impressive since Russia exists. Connolly would be disgusted by modern Ireland (nation of renters, and not in the Casement sense), and Griffith would be pissed off we never kicked out the Jews and they all left of their own accord.

[OP No.16075306]

>>16075230
yeah will do.

Mitchel definitely fits well into the romantic, organic and reactionary anti-capitalism of a figure like George Fitzhugh. I'm increasingly growing an affinity for the Southern paternalistic tradition. It honors the proper roles for every individual in a graduated hierarchy within the wider social macrocosm. In this analysis, the general welfare and eudaimonic flourishing of the people is paramount, as opposed to the supremacy of libertinism in modern ideologies.

Only with a rejection of alienated individualism in favor of a paternalistic hierarchy can we achieve true socialism. That being socialism of a distinctly national and agrarian nature.

[Anonymous No.16075320]

>>16075306
Forgot to include images about Mitchel, v interesting character

[Anonymous No.16075338]

They're currently coming for the statues of Mitchel. The day they tear that down will be the day Ireland is true dead.

Ireland Unfree Shall Never Be At Peace.

[Anonymous No.16075345]

>>16073734
This is some of the worst bait I've ever read. The entire point is to be fucking subtle you retard. 3/10 I responded.

[Anonymous No.16075362]

>>16073734
>Pearse was a cross dressing homosexual tho, he would have supported pride
If you're going to rag on Pearse for his dress sense could you at least read about him trying to invent his own Irish fashion line, a combination of tradition without the itchiness.

[Anonymous No.16075629]

>>16074188
Solid

[Anonymous No.16075647]

this is the only potatofag writer i know of

[Anonymous No.16076427]

>>16075647
You've never heard of Oscar Wilde or William Butler Yeats?

[Anonymous No.16076722]

>>16076427
oh i thought they were american

[Anonymous No.16078078]

>>16073754
>>16075345
>>16075362
There is actually a decent argument for Pearse being a cross dresser in his youth. Plus he never got with any women and spent all his time with young virile men. Some of his poetry in particular is quite homoerotic.

Same with Hitler.

[Anonymous No.16078080]

>>16078078
Forgot article link https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/pearses-sex-obsession-with-emmets-corpse-26235156.html

[Anonymous No.16078489]

>>16073569
they call them west brits

[Anonymous No.16078491]

>>16073171
>I'm a modern irish progressive

[Anonymous No.16078495]

>>16073584
connolly was the kind of communist who led manly workers striking for fair pay as opposed to encouraging anime-obsessed internet junkies to castrate themselves

[Anonymous No.16078969]

>>16073171
>the right never had a place in Ireland
Every government since independence has been a right-wing party, also
>falling for the yank meme of caring whether your views are left or right
Seánín

[Anonymous No.16078982]

>>16076722
Easy mistake to make. Irish nationalism found itself defined by opposition to Britain that it allowed itself to be subsumed by American and Continental powers.

[Anonymous No.16080691]

>>16073171
>Pearse, Connolly and Griffith would be proud of modern Ireland

You can't have actually read Pearse if you believe that.

[Anonymous No.16080722]

>>16078078
However there's more than speculative evidence about his fashion ambitions. Cross dressing is harder to prove when he gives his children's wear line kilts across the board. If you want the homoerotic off a signatory, Casement's your man. For someone obsessed with Pearse you should know more about him.

[Anonymous No.16080785]

>>16078982
>that it allowed itself to be subsumed by American and Continental powers.
I'm skeptical about where you're getting this from. Especially since Wilde in part mocked French decadence, and American mockeries of French decadence in favour of British values. Irish nationalism isn't really defined by opposition to Britain, but American and British audiences are told that. Of course, British audiences also believe that Ireland uses Sterling.

[Anonymous No.16081464]

>>16078491
I kek'd

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>>16073171
what does your friend mean when he says philosophically conservative?

[Anonymous No.16081580]

>>16073171
Read this whole post in D4.

[Anonymous No.16081615]

>>16081464
>only Collins
Edgy

[Anonymous No.16081634]

>>16073222
>like they do everywhere else to depress local solidarity (ethnic
>religious and working class).
You mean to make money? What you're saying is part of it, but not the main reason.

[Anonymous No.16081645]

>ctrl + f
>"Eriugena"
Disappointing. Ireland's greatest philosopher and theologian isn't even mentioned.

[Anonymous No.16081669]

>>16081645
lol get a load of this dunce

[Anonymous No.16081694]

>>16073222
>he thinks capitalists care about race and religion

[Anonymous No.16081698]

>>16073222
>The supposedly Irish racist is worried about the blacks and pakis
>Not a word about Poles
>nothing about the Roma
>Not even the Chinese, father?
You seem to be someone living in Bristol or Birmingham under the impression they are in Ireland.

[Anonymous No.16081785]

>>16081698
no shit. people have been going north to get away from organized idiocy for thousands of years.

[Anonymous No.16081793]

>>16081669
You got something against Eriugena mr."69"?

[Anonymous No.16081808]

>>16081785
>going north to get away from organized idiocy for thousands of years.
>Uí Néills really believe this

[Anonymous No.16081812]

>>16081793
No, I've just got really terrible puns about the Scholastics.

[Anonymous No.16081845]

>>16074002
Those are all 100% compatible

[Anonymous No.16081941]

Ireland has no native aristocracy; the best you can get in terms of "rightism" is demotic anti immigrant sentiment and voting for democratic "conservative" parties. But no true reaction.

[Anonymous No.16081950]

>>16081812
Tell me some.

[Anonymous No.16081968]

>>16081941
>Ireland has no native aristocracy;
wew, even the racist Corona is a Human Rights Violation and hoax right wingers believe in the native aristocracy. Just because you come from a shitty primogeniture aristocracy that no doubt passed you over centuries ago doesn't mean anyone objects to a return to brehon law and our native principalities with the fifth province being ruled on a rotational basis by the others during times of peace.

[Anonymous No.16082024]

>>16081950
Quid intersit inter Duns Scotiam et faecam sed mensa!
I can't remember enough Latin to know how shit that rendering is

[Anonymous No.16082062]

>>16082024
*Quid interest inter Scotum et Sotum?

[Anonymous No.16082079]

>>16082062
YES. Thank you anon I love you so much I haven't had anyone to check with for over a decade.

[Anonymous No.16082262]

>>16082062
>>16082062
I think I might have got the verb wrong. It might be distat? I'm going down a rabbit hole of 17th century joke books, lads, I might not be back.

[Anonymous No.16083146]

>>16082262
I'm not sure desu; searching it yields a few different results. It's definitely inter Scotum et sotum though.

[Anonymous No.16083183]

>>16083146
In my defense, faex is hilarious, though mostly a pun in English

[Anonymous No.16083239]

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[Anonymous No.16083270]

>>16081645
Based

[Anonymous No.16083343]

>>16073171
I think you're projecting foreign political terminologies onto native politics, same goes for your right-wing friend. I haven't finished the book yet.

[Anonymous No.16083358]

>>16081845
A better way: those are not all 100% incompatible

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[Anonymous No.16083383]

>>16083367
>>16083369
Piss off, retard.

[Anonymous No.16083394]

>>16083367
>>16083369
Based progress

>>16083383
>>>/pol/

[Anonymous No.16083425]

>>16083367
i like how the mascot is a white girl with red hair, when most of them aren't white and none of them have red hair

[Anonymous No.16083432]

>>16083425
That's not a natural red hair colour, just so you know.

[Anonymous No.16083439]

>>16083425
You're right, racism persists in such subtle forms. That projects white normativity and hegemony. She should really be changed.

[Anonymous No.16083475]

>>16083439
Red haired people in Ireland have been historically and still are to an extent the subject of discrimination.

[Anonymous No.16083487]

>>16083475
White people can't be subject to discrimination, discrimination is prejudice + power, as in institutional system based power. You can't be "discriminated" against as a white person because it's minor compared to your institutional power.

[Anonymous No.16083562]

>>16083487
Irish people are not "white" in this context. Irish people have been discriminated against and also have intra-Irish discrimination.

Go look up the Wikipedia article on the causes of The Troubles for anti-Irish discrimination. The stuff about red hair discrimination probably has some anecdotal evidence if you want to waste your time, if I were you I'd just take my word for it.

[Anonymous No.16083571]

>>16083562
Irish people are white and are complicit in white colonial atrocities against non-whites
https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/08/07/ireland-and-slavery-framing-irish-complicity-in-the-slave-trade/

[Anonymous No.16083587]

>>16083367
>when America starts posting in the thread and it goes from Latin puns to calling the Irish language "Gaelic" and debating if they're white

[Anonymous No.16083721]

>>16083571
Go away with this bullshit that was carried out during and by the British Empire. You cannot seriously be arguing that Irish people are white and racists whilst simultaneously being the subjects of a foreign empire therefore completely innocent of self determined systemic racism themselves. You need to actually try to understand what I'm trying to explain to you rather than just pushing your own agenda.

[Anonymous No.16083750]

>>16083721
White people are implicated in systems of power even if they are not at the top of the power hierarchy.. Are you seriously denying racism magically doesn't exist in Ireland just because white Irish people had some historical problems with the British empire? Black Irish people face discrimination on a daily basis, just look at racist shit like
>>16083367
>>16083369

[Anonymous No.16083824]

hello, irish lads should check out my book.
this is the second chapter, https://seanald.ca/platos-allegory/

[Anonymous No.16083835]

>>16083750
>Are you seriously denying racism magically doesn't exist in Ireland
No and you can fuck off with this strawmanning bullshit. You don't know fuck all about Ireland and you don't want to, all you're doing is pushing your own shit so like I said: fuck off.

[Anonymous No.16083839]

>>16083835
Racist.

>>16083824
Lad this is a shitpost thread.

[Anonymous No.16083855]

>>16083839
thats why i posted

[Anonymous No.16085698]

Where can I read about racism in Ireland? Is BLM active there?

[Anonymous No.16085757]

The Barrytown Trilogy....

[Anonymous No.16086091]

>>16083721
>>16083571
If you're being unironic you should fucking kill yourself. The Irish were victims for centuries on end and somehow we're responsible for what our rulers did to other people? Fuck off

Plus if you're racially judging the Irish or English for past crimes of their ancestors then we'll have a field day going through African history and looking through all the genocides and slaughters those monsters went through. Ireland for the Irish. I will not stand for this bullshit and I'll protect my country.

Ireland Unfree Shall Never Be At Peace.

It's one struggle with the Irish, Palestinians and Tibetans.

[Anonymous No.16086093]

>>16082024
>>16082062
I don't speak Latin, but I appreciate the joke.

[Anonymous No.16086744]

>>16081464
>story of the irish race
BASED

[OP No.16087351]

>>16073171
> tfw you baitpost so people will get angry and reply so that in the long run you'll have a decent thread with actual literature discussion
> but instead all you get is the angry (you)s
you guys are retards

Anyway imma make a list of my own as I am legit an Irish progressive who wants to learn more about the Irish Right and Reactionary tradition.

So far I have:
> anything by Denis Fahey
> jail journals by John Mitchel
> Edward Cahill's Framework
> anything by Eriugena
> obviously Pearse, Connolly, etc
> JM Synge
> DP Moran's Philosophy of Irish Ireland
> McManus Story of the Irish Race

Any other Irish Philosphpers who are worth while? Like Eriugena?

[Anonymous No.16087860]

>>16082024
Eriugena isn’t Duns Scotus moron

[Anonymous No.16087883]

isnt the PM of ireland like, a gay pedophile paki or something? how the fuck does that happen?

no, seriously, how do you go from terrorist acts against an imperial power to just bending over and spreading your asshole to it? has anyone done something like The Way Life Should Be? for ireland or whatever? actually tracing out who the people in power are, and the chain of events that lead to them being there?

[Anonymous No.16087921]

>>16087860
Eriugena didn't even make the joke, retard, anon is making terrible puns about scholastics in general. Anon might be poorly plagiarising Eriugena, but it's not a pun about scholastics if he doesn't put a scholastic in there. It's only a pun by a scholastic if he uses the traditional bad Latin.
>>16086093
You only need to speak autism to understand anyone talking about the scholastic period.

[Anonymous No.16087941]

yeats, wilde, heaney, and joyce are some of their better ones. contemporary writers mostly write about the troubles or reconciliation after it, so if you are interested in that, go for it.

[Anonymous No.16087949]

>>16087883
No the current PM is a populist from a county which doesn't consider itself part of Ireland. The last PM was the gay paki, now he's vice PM. They're job sharing so the terrorists don't get access to the official army and install full communism. Technically the position of PM and vice PM don't exist, but this is the level of dumbed down you're getting.
>who the people in power are
Dynastic local politicians
You probably shouldn't be on a board about books, because you would fail a concussion check in Ireland.

[Anonymous No.16087963]

>>16087883
He was a gay atheist of Hindu background, and yes, it sounds really bad, but he was basically just a straight-laced centre left politician. From the broader perspective our "we're totally not a racist country" leader did a lot less damage than the US's. At least we got that shit out of the way and don't have a permanent underclass demanding we do it again.

[Anonymous No.16087965]

>>16087351
>Synge is progressive
I know the list is bullshit but you're baiting on a level even Americans don't reach by accident. You deserve shitty (you)s and nothing more.

[Anonymous No.16087972]

>>16087963
To be fair, vardakar wasn't voted in, party leadership is kind of an accident. You can't really consider FG taking taoiseach to be a "totally not racist" vote. FG get called fascists even if they're paki.

[Anonymous No.16087975]

>>16087963
>but he was basically just a straight-laced centre left politician
imagine being this gullible

[Anonymous No.16088014]

Why would you read anyone past Beckett?

[Anonymous No.16088041]

>>16088014
In which direction?

[Anonymous No.16088126]

>>16083571
kek, irish were considered to be worse than niggers at times

[Anonymous No.16088145]

>>16087949
>No the current PM is a populist from a county which doesn't consider itself part of Ireland. The last PM was the gay paki, now he's vice PM. They're job sharing so the terrorists don't get access to the official army and install full communism. Technically the position of PM and vice PM don't exist, but this is the level of dumbed down you're getting.
Christ where to start with your retardism

> No the current PM is a populist
Firstly Fianna Fáil are not Populists for crying out loud. Martin's career is a history of being a goon for some of the most corrupt scumbag capitalist governments in Irish history under Brian Cowen. And of course allying with Fine Gael. Martin is in now way a populist if you define populist as anything substantial. Populist means anti-corruption, anti-establishment, vulgar mass movement usually railing against the status quo. Martin is entirely an establishment politician, pro-corruption, pro- the status quo.
> They're job sharing so the terrorists don't get access to the official army and install full communism
Where to even begin, if I met you in public I swear to God. The Shinners have many flaws but "full communism" is not one of them, you have worms in your brain if you think it is bro. Modern SF have never advocated for the abolition of private property, nor would they even come near to that is they came in.

Plus I know for sure you don't know anything about Marxism you smarmy little twat. Do you think Sinn Féin would agree with Marx that popular liberal lifestyles like sexual deviancy, being a drug addict, being a lowlife, etc are actually just bourgeois pathologies? And that the modern Left should never ally with such degenerates as they are merely the foot soldiers for the ruling class. These are called 'Lumpenproletariat', look that up to teach yourself something. A genuine Marxist analysis of Progressivism is that it is a mental disease promoted by the elites to drain any legitimately revolutionary activity out of the masses, rendering them into being an entirely malleable slave class of consumers. Are you worried about Sinn Féin making that critique?

Similarly Marx called out the materialistic "worldly religion of the jew" which is "huckstering" and the God of the jew which is "money".Are you worried about Mary Lou writing out a big tract denouncing elite Jewish Capital? I wish she was saying that.

[Anonymous No.16088204]

>>16087963
> straight-laced centre left politician
More like center-right really but I get your point, he's certainly left wing on social values and right wing on economic values. He's just a Neoliberal really. He is pretty representative of the Irish right tho; all he cares for is maintaining the rule of the shekel over Ireland, nothing more, nothing less. The Irish right is just to be the guardians of finance capital's stranglehold over Irish sovereignty; that's as in maintaining free trade, low corporation tax, etc. Being right-wing has nothing to do with maintaining any social values like the Church, family, etc at this point.

It's vital for genuine Irish Nationalists to learn that. The bourgeois scumbags will always betray the nation if it's makes them another buck. I know these D4 people, they despise our people and culture more than anything. The best hope for Nationalism in Ireland is infiltrating the Shinners, they have the most racist / conservative voter base. According to the Irish Times the majority of the voters are anti-immigration, pro-life, Catholic (at least culturally), etc.

I'll spit on conservatives, anyone who votes for FG is a traitor the Irish Nation. I have more understanding for old country types who still vote FF out of tradition but still they're totally misled.

[Anonymous No.16088222]

>>16087965
I'm retarded I meant George William Russell, who although was a cringe Theosophist spoke explicitly about the mystical (and biological) conception of the Irish Race. The little I've read of him bears some resemblance to Evola or some Volkisch writers.

[Anonymous No.16089180]

>>16088145
>Firstly Fianna Fáil are not Populists for crying out loud.
Yes they are.
>>16088145
>Martin's career is a history of being a goon for some of the most corrupt scumbag capitalist governments in Irish history under Brian Cowen
You are completely unfamiliar with FF and Irish politics if Cowen is your measure for corrupt. Martin served under Bertie Aherne, a populist who was done for corruption, and if you're going to pick out a populist done for corruption he doesn't even make a splash compared to his previous populist FF taoiseach, Charlie Haughey who BOUGHT HIS OWN FUCKING ISLAND.
FF has always been populist. >>16088145
>Where to even begin, if I met you in public I swear to God. The Shinners have many flaws but "full communism" is not one of them
Sinn Fein exists because they were the first group to split from the Marxist Internationale, a tradition which most people attribute to Trotsky who only left two meetings later. Sinn Fein are behind the rent freezes, the eviction freezes, have called for government seizures of properties to increase the rent stock, and I have zero faith at all that you have read a newspaper besides the Journal comment section, or gone to school in Ireland
>but Sinn Fein are unlike Marx because Jews
No, Griffith being more antiJewish than Marx causes some of the main splits in the founders of Sinn Fein which lead to FF.
>thinks lumpen proletariat is some proof of maturity and comprehension after trying to rewrite a very short history
My brother knows Karl Marx, he met him eating mushrooms in the People's Park.

[Anonymous No.16089226]

>>16088204
>The best hope for Nationalism in Ireland is infiltrating the Shinners, they have the most racist / conservative voter base.
You genuine absolute madman.