/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.16057064]

When it comes to literature and philosophy who wins?

[Anonymous No.16057075]

>literature
Germans

>philosophy
Germans

>trying to legalize pedophilia
French

>turning philosophy into bourgeois tranny enabling for dumb women
French

[Anonymous No.16057076]

philosophy is for faggots

[Anonymous No.16057078]

>>16057064
I love France, but this is still a no-brainer. Germany easily wins.

[Anonymous No.16057110]

>>16057076
sorry you're too dum for it anon
>>16057075
basically yes
>>16057078
with lit its more of a toss-up

[Anonymous No.16057222]

>>16057110
>sorry you're too dum for it anon
nah you're just a time wasting NEET faggot

[Anonymous No.16057271]

How come Germany doesn't have easily recognizable monuments like France?

[Anonymous No.16057298]

>>16057271
>The Brandenburg Gate
>The Reichstag
>The Berlin Wall
>Nuremberg Christmas Market
>Neuschwanstein Castle
Burgers current year

[Anonymous No.16057313]

>>16057064
>philosophy
Germans have Kant and Frege, they take this one.
>literature
If we mean German as in the country/region then Franch literature is better. If we are talking about German-speaking authors in general then German.

[Anonymous No.16057325]

>>16057064
>philosophy
Germany. Not even close.
>literature
Individual authors - Germany (Goethe > Proust fight me)
volume of good authors - France

[Anonymous No.16057377]

Brasil.

[Anonymous No.16057397]

>>16057064
frenchfag here, i'd go with germany.
>>16057271
have of them were bombed.

[Anonymous No.16057414]

>>16057271
The French crippled their WW2 strategy to avoid damage to their cities.

[Anonymous No.16057419]

>>16057064
German poetry sucks. The French win in poetry easily. They beat the Germans in prose too, but it's more competitive. Philosophy goes to the Germans though as easily as poetry goes to the French.

[Anonymous No.16057430]

>>16057325
Best answer /thread

[Anonymous No.16057458]

>>16057064
Literature as art: French
Philosophy: Germans
German literature is good but not as good as the french, even in terms of greatest work and writer Proust is better than Goethe (though by only very little) and there are far more literary french writers of quality. French philosophy is absolute trash, particularly 20th century, to think that the same century that produced Heidegger also produced Sartre shows just how pathetic and awful french philosophy is.
>>16057271
They do see >>16057298
and also >>16057397

[Anonymous No.16057487]

France might actually be the country with the worst philosophy in existence. So many notable philosophers and all of them are trash.

[Anonymous No.16057495]

>>16057064
What the burgers in this thread must understand is, that many great German works of literature are not really known outside of Germany. French books seem to be more known in the Anglosphere than German books.

[Anonymous No.16057630]

>>16057487
Even the scandis had dope mystics like Swedenborg.

[Anonymous No.16058069]

>>16057495
names that pop in my head when I think of german literature:
>goethe
>arno schmidt
>mann
>doblin
>hesse
very limited, help me expand it

[Anonymous No.16058121]

>>16057298
I'd say the burger test is actually a great way to measure how recognisable something is
If someone illiterate in geography recognises it then it must be pretty damn recognisable
If they can't, then not so much

[Anonymous No.16058136]

In both these fields the French set the foundations but it was the Germans that actually walked and the walk
Still, both are inferior to classical literature and philosophy so why bother

[Anonymous No.16058150]

>>16058121
fucking kekd.
Sad thing is it is actually accurate.
reichstag is very damn recognizable though

[Anonymous No.16058235]

>>16057487
Descartes?

[Anonymous No.16058430]

>>16058069
lmao forgot kafka

[Anonymous No.16058435]

>>16057298
>Neuschwanstein Castle
That's so gauche it pretty much wouldn't look out of place in Las Vegas,

[Anonymous No.16058452]

>>16058430
Wasnt Kafka Bohemian?

[Anonymous No.16058505]

>>16058136
>the French set the foundations
In philosophy? Fuck no. In literature? Still no.

[Anonymous No.16059299]

ok excuse me i concede german philosophy is better but how the heck is german literature better than french?
france:
>Froissart, Villon, Montaigne, Rabelais, de Navarre, du Bellay, Scève, Ronsard, Commynes, d'Aubigné, Garnier, Corneille, de La Rochefoucauld, de La Fontaine, Molière, Pascal, Bosuet, Boileau-Despréaux, Racine, de Marivaux, Rousseau, Voltaire, Prévost, de La Fayette, de Chamfort, Diderot, de Laclos
Germany:
>erasmus, goethe, schiller, lessing, holderlin, kleist

[Anonymous No.16059304]

>>16059299
oh this is from bloom's canon btw

[Anonymous No.16059607]

>>16057064
obviously germany

[Anonymous No.16059653]

France easy

[Anonymous No.16059737]

>>16059299
quality over quantity m8

[Anonymous No.16060671]

>>16059304
>Implying Bloom is an authority on anything
lel. He made a valiant effort at defending a classical education but that doesn't mean everything he said was right. Half the people you listed under france are literal whos.

[Anonymous No.16060676]

>>16058069
Fontane, Freytag, Grabbe, Büchner, Hofmannsthal, Hauptmann, Böll, Zuckmayer, Dürrenmatt just to name a few.
These aren't even obscure, they are some of the best known authors here in Germany.

[Anonymous No.16060689]

Pre-1900s philosophy: Germany
Post-1900s philosophy: France

France has the better literature of the two, but both pale in comparison to most other major countries (Russia, Britain, Ireland, United States).

[Anonymous No.16060690]

>>16057298
> Worst of the European arches
> Only interesting thanks to British rebuild
> Not a monument, ugly as sin
> An event? It's just a town square digga
> Kitsch self-parody

[Anonymous No.16060697]

>>16060676
>Dürrenmatt
Is shit though. Highschool tier morality theatre plus some pretentious crime thrillers.

[Anonymous No.16060715]

>>16060697
Yes he definitely isn't on the same level as the other authors I've listed, but he is enjoyable to read in my opinion.
Also he is well known, especially because his books are often read in school.

[Anonymous No.16060757]

>>16057064
i like both : ) (fiction)

[Anonymous No.16060971]

Up until ~1850, it's Germany without a doubt.
After that it's France (compared to Germany of that time; it still can't compete with German romanticism).

[Anonymous No.16061072]

>>16057064
Proust, Flaubert > all german shit.

[Anonymous No.16061078]

France is done. Its over them. Their next international best seller will be a Quran reprint.

[Anonymous No.16061080]

>>16057064
>literature
France and it's not even close.

>philosophy
Germany

[Anonymous No.16061082]

>>16057064
...is this a joke

[Anonymous No.16061109]

>>16057076
That's a nice philosophy you have, anon.

[Anonymous No.16061123]

>>16058452
Yes but his books are written in german

[Anonymous No.16061127]

>>16060671
German lit >>>>>>>>> French lit, but
>Half the people you listed under france are literal whos
Fuck off, brainwashed /lit/ard. Consider actually reading books instead of shitposting about mediocre contemporary American writers of the brazilian basker-weaving board

[Anonymous No.16061139]

germany for philosophy (they were the peak, better than lit's greek meme)
french for lit

[Anonymous No.16061200]

>>16060689
Heidegger alone is worth more than all the french retards of the 20th century

[Anonymous No.16061228]

>>16057064
It's actually the Scots

[Anonymous No.16061257]

>>16059299
erasmus was dutch you retard

[Anonymous No.16061272]

The English

[Anonymous No.16061294]

Reminder that the French ended poetry. Quality over quantity isn't a valid argument for German lit.

[Anonymous No.16061296]

god i hate the fucking french

[Anonymous No.16061313]

>>16061296
please support your autism so I can sperg out too

[Anonymous No.16061328]

>>16061139
>, better than lit's greek mem
Yikes

[Anonymous No.16061338]

>>16061127
>German lit >>>>>>>>> French lit
Literally how? Are you German? Or a Germanboo? What kind of ridiculous cognitive bias do you have to posses to think that?

[Anonymous No.16061569]

>>16057298
neuschwanstein is a very kitsch replica of medieval nostalgia

[Anonymous No.16061577]

>>16061338
I am Italian, you dumb fuck, and besides poetry (the inferior mode if literature!) German lit is way, way ahead of French lit. What do the french have? One decent modernist writer (yet how inferior to the anglos!), one big realist massively inferior to Tolstoy and many other Russians, a bunch of small writers of small fiction of no great genius, a bunch of shitty flees like Bloy and Giono, and Schwob; Huysmans is probably their best, always struck me as more mentally german than french, quite honestly. Contemporary writers are even worse, Quignard is probably the best one and he is still just Maupassant lite.
No French writer is on the level of german S-tier writers: Kleist, Kafka, and Mann. Even getting to the A-tiers, France only has a handful of writers who can rival Hesse, Goethe (even his prose!), Doblin, Grass, Musil, Brecht, Sebald, Junger, Roth, or Fontane.

>inb4 some dumbfuck opinion about how Kafka is edgy and Hesse is for highschool students
Don't bother. Read more. Read better. Think better.

>inb4 muh poetry
Ever since the end of the Augustan age it has been a brainlet thing which can be safely ignored!

>inb4 muh Proust is actually the best writer ever!!!
I thought so too before I turned 16

[Anonymous No.16061589]

>>16061577
What an entirely retarded post

[Anonymous No.16061603]

>>16061589
Seethe more

[Anonymous No.16061661]

>>16057064
>Philisophy
In terms of volumes? The germans.
In terms of quality? The french.
Some germans did a great disservice to the world with their philosophies and we're still paying for it to this day.
>Literature
There's nothing in german literature close to Proust.

Overrall, France is the better nation artistically speaking, perhaps even the greatest one. Their only mistake was the french revolution, it simply destroyed their culture throughout the years, making it the empty shell that it is today.

[Anonymous No.16061687]

>>16057064
Germany of course but Camus is great.

[Anonymous No.16061690]

>>16061661
>In terms of quality? The french.
What are some quality French philosophers? Give me one French philosopher better than Kant

[Anonymous No.16061731]

>>16061690
No matter which one I answer your question with, you'll laugh and call me dumb without realizing your own stupidity. Before making your post you already set up your mind on not listening to anything I have to say, that's deplorable, but understandable given the nature of this site. I can only pity you.

[Anonymous No.16061769]

>>16061731
Absolutely deluded

[Anonymous No.16061772]

I wouldn't set an order, both is great.

[Anonymous No.16061786]

>>16061661
kant alone is more influential and important than all french philosophers combined

[Anonymous No.16061789]

>>16061687
If Camus is the best philosopher France has to offer then anon I...

[Anonymous No.16061815]

>>16061661
>In terms of volumes? The germans.
>In terms of quality? The french.
Thanks anon, I was feeling quite down today. I needed the laugh.

[Anonymous No.16061820]

>>16061772
pseud

[Anonymous No.16061828]

>>16061577
>a bunch of shitty flees like Bloy and Giono
Bloy and Giono in the same sentence.
Good lord you're not just a poseur you're fucking retarded.

[Anonymous No.16061838]

>>16061769
He's right you know

[Anonymous No.16061846]

>>16061838
Why are you posting about philosophy if you have no business discussing about it?

[Anonymous No.16061853]

>>16061846
Who posted about philosophy in this thread ?

[Anonymous No.16061856]

>>16061072
this.

[Anonymous No.16061971]

>>16061577
>inb4 muh Proust is actually the best writer ever!!!
>I thought so too before I turned 16

You read In Search of Lost Time before you were 16? Then you were struck by an anti-Proustian impulse? Please explain.

[Anonymous No.16062010]

>>16061971
he hasnt read anything

[Anonymous No.16062096]

>>16057064
germany

[Anonymous No.16062123]

>>16061971
I read the first 4 volumes back when I was 15 and absolutely loved it but maybe 6 months later I tried to continue and was struck with the realization that while certain aspects of it are definitely admirable (especially the accuracy with which subconscious mental processes are portrayed) Proust just doesn't do anything truly huge, nothing which would truly be a matter of the greatest possible importance; in essence, he has a small, specific niche he occupies and is afraid to face that which writers like Kafka fight with exclusively. There is a famous Bolano quote:

"Without turning, the pharmacist answered that he liked books like The Metamorphosis, Bartleby, A Simple Heart, A Christmas Carol. And then he said that he was reading Capote's Breakfast at Tiffany's. Leaving aside the fact that A Simple Heart and A Christmas Carol were stories, not books, there was something revelatory about the taste of this bookish young pharmacist, who ... clearly and inarguably preferred minor works to major ones. He chose The Metamorphosis over The Trial, he chose Bartleby over Moby Dick, he chose A Simple Heart over Bouvard and Pecouchet, and A Christmas Carol over A Tale of Two Cities or The Pickwick Papers. What a sad paradox, thought Amalfitano. Now even bookish pharmacists are afraid to take on the great, imperfect, torrential works, books that blaze a path into the unknown. They choose the perfect exercises of the great masters. Or what amounts to the same thing: they want to watch the great masters spar, but they have no interest in real combat, when the great masters struggle against that something, that something that terrifies us all, that something that cows us and spurs us on, amid blood and mortal wounds and stench."
Proust is beyond these categories: he doesn't struggle because struggle is foreign to him. He deconstructs the matter of life but not the spirit of it. Henry James and late Maupassant (who Proust was clearly derivative of, stylistically at least) would be the other big offenders.

Ignore the projecting retard who accuses everyone who he disagrees with of not having read anything.

[Anonymous No.16062139]

>>16062123
>I read the first 4 volumes back when I was 15
In French ?
If no opinion discarded.

[Anonymous No.16062192]

>>16062139
>In French ?
Yeah, I am a quarter french, I could already speak semi-fluently back when I was 5 years old because everyone in my family was at least bilingual

[Anonymous No.16062254]

>>16062123
This... seems a bizarre reaction. Recherche, on the level of global structure, not sentences, is about the most imperfect and torrential thing in the canon. The inclusion of events is in no way a perfect exercise and almost nobody would ague that it is. Amongst other things, it's about twice as long as the original 3-volume plan and its clearly unfinished.

I also think that the transformation of character over time, the impossibility of understanding others without knowing their pasts (vol 7) and the possibility of art as a means to restore meaning to modern life are pretty enormous themes. Certainly bigger than some of the works Bolano labels as major there.

[Anonymous No.16062256]

>>16062123
>is afraid to face that which writers like Kafka fight with exclusively.
Sorry anon but you're a brainlet

[Anonymous No.16062291]

>>16062192
Don't over represent yourself anon, nobody will judge you. Your posts looks really childish tho.
You don't need to name drop or cited in a way that everyone with a little culture would laugh at.

Bossuet, Moliere, La Fontaine, Rabelais don't have German equivalent.

[Anonymous No.16062314]

>>16062291
>need to name drop or cited in a way that everyone with a little culture
thats my dose of cringe for the day, thank you

[Anonymous No.16062319]

>>16062314
I'm trying to be nice with you anon

[Anonymous No.16062430]

>>16061577
>one big realist
... which of Zola, Flaubert, Sand and Balzac you're thinking of, I just don't know.

> Huysmans is probably their best
What?

[Anonymous No.16062461]

>>16061123
I would count him as Czech then. If a Mexican in Mexico wrote in English we wouldn't count him as being an author from England.

[Anonymous No.16062484]

>>16062461
He was a German Jew in German-owned Prague. Bohemia was a part of Austria. He spoke German and was a German Jew

He was as Czech as a Mexican in El Paso is american

[Anonymous No.16062516]

>>16062484
I think we would still count him as contributing for Bohemia/Czech Republic or Austria than Germany. Or is OP saying all German literature and all German philosophy vs their French equivalent?

Are we allowed to count De Maistre as French? If that's the case then my answer would change.

[Anonymous No.16062585]

>>16057298
>Tfw didn't know any of those places before googling
>Only have heard about the berlin wall once, thougt they have already demolished it?
>The christmas market is just a 1st world version of a tianguis.

[Anonymous No.16062650]

>>16058435
>Be american culture
>Devote your life towards imitation
>hahaha your stuff looks like my imitation of it.
Ok lmao.

[Anonymous No.16062745]

>>16062650

>Für eine Burg typische Merkmale wurden zwar zitiert, auf echte Verteidigungsanlagen – das wichtigste Merkmal eines mittelalterlichen Adelssitzes – aber verzichtet.

The typical features of a castle were, true, referenced, however true defensive features - the most important quality of an actual medieval castle - were foregone.

It was always pastiche. The vanity project of an imbecile.

[Anonymous No.16062756]

>>16061577
>besides poetry (the inferior mode if literature!)
Your post started out as retarded and only got worse.

[Anonymous No.16062780]

>>16057271
We had no capital or central government that that built monumental stuff like Versailles. Instead of that Germany has basically dozens of smaller Versailles.

[Anonymous No.16062805]

>>16057298
As a German I actually cringe every time I see a 50 cent coin with the Brandenburg gate, it's the most underwhelming "national monument" in whole Europe.
Also
>Berlin Wall
>Christmas market
That's not monuments lmao. You pretty much proved his point.

[Anonymous No.16062823]

>>16057064
>19th century philosophy - Germany
>20th century philosophy - France

[Anonymous No.16062871]

The real question is Italy vs Spain.

[Anonymous No.16062918]

>>16061815
Butthurted german. Not everyone thinks your shitty country is great, dela with it.

[Anonymous No.16062927]

>>16062871
Italy wins easily and it's not even close. I'd say even Portugal would win against Spain.

[Anonymous No.16063772]

>>16062823
What does this ugly garden gnome have to do with philosophy.

[Anonymous No.16063815]

>>16057064
The Enlightenment was born in France and most of the important figures were from France, that puts France above the Germans who Romanticism never came close to that influence.
As for writing thats harder. I'd say that the Germans have the win there.

[Anonymous No.16063852]

the answer is Mallarmé

[Anonymous No.16063889]

>>16061786
Name a single philosopher that changed more in the world than Montesquieu.
I'd say that he and his liberal cohort were probably the most impactful group so far in human history.
We're still living under their framework.

[Anonymous No.16064003]

>>16063815
>The Enlightenment was born in France
No it wasn't.

[Anonymous No.16064022]

>>16061294
>>16063852
Found you, Meillassoux.

[Anonymous No.16064035]

>>16064003
I've always been one to say that it started with Descartes, but if you go with a later thinker, British I assume, thats alright.

[Anonymous No.16064096]

>>16057271
OY VEY DON'T YOU RECOGNIZE AUSCHWITZ

[Anonymous No.16064231]

>>16064035
It didn't really 'start' in one country but was the culmination of several successive developments in European science, philosophy, and religion that started with the Renaissance and Reformation.

[Anonymous No.16064253]

>>16057064
>literature
France. No chance.
>philosophy
Who cares. The greatest writers are also the greatest philosophers.

[Anonymous No.16064294]

>>16061127
>half the people you listed are literal whos
>"bloom didnt know anything!"

god this board has gone to shit

[Anonymous No.16064355]

>>16064253
Explosively based post

[Anonymous No.16064431]

>>16062871
>Spain and their ONE book
There have been more masterpieces written about Spain by other nationalities than Spain has written themselves lmao

[Anonymous No.16064452]

>>16062650
... you know, the neo-gothic movement was basically that. imitating old castles and stuff but make them all prettier. it was pretty popular in germany.

[Anonymous No.16064457]

>>16057298
>>The Brandenburg Gate
>>The Reichstag
>>The Berlin Wall
>>Nuremberg Christmas Market
>>Neuschwanstein Castle
never heard of any of them.

[Anonymous No.16064514]

>>16057064
Germany
Not really a contest.

[Anonymous No.16064519]

>>16057064
Russia

[Anonymous No.16064524]

>>16057271
Neuschwanstein is one of the most iconic castles bruh

[Anonymous No.16064535]

>>16057271
Does France have any easily recognizable monuments outside of Paris?

[Anonymous No.16064576]

>>16064535
Versailles

[Anonymous No.16064597]

>the G*rmans played CS:GO and then actually made Cobblestone a real place
Creatively bankrupt Teutons

[Anonymous No.16064644]

>>16064576
Literally 10 miles from the center of Paris.

[Anonymous No.16064706]

>>16064535
Mont St Micheal.

[Anonymous No.16064831]

>>16064535
Mt St-Michel
Châteaux of the Loire Valley
Chartres Cathedral
Carcassonne
Reims Cathedral
Pont du Gard
There's a lot more of less famous landmarks pretty much everywhere in France, and a lot more than in Germany because:
-the unified state is far older than the one in Germany
-rich and powerful area for a very long time
-the Romans were a lot more present
-they got less bombed during WWII and WWI didn't do that much damages in the cities
Italy has more famous landmarks but that's probably the only country.

[Anonymous No.16064888]

>>16064831
Besides Mont St. Michel none of those are easily recognizable by the average pleb. Sure people might be able to tell they're in France but I guess that makes the average historic fachwerk town in Germany a famous landmark because people can tell what country it's in.

[Anonymous No.16065536]

>>16057064
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_philosophy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_literature

Germany without a single shred of a doubt.

[Anonymous No.16065597]

Louis-Ferdinand Céline Über alles.

[Anonymous No.16067292]

>>16057076
based

[Anonymous No.16068210]

>>16057075
FPBP

[Anonymous No.16068241]

>>16057064
I just realized that france has a tons of good to very good writers but they dont have a writer like goethe, cervantes or shakespeare. France is truly the land of midwits.

[Anonymous No.16068942]

>>16068241
>Hugo
>Balzac
>Proust
>Moliere
I would put all these on at least the level of Cervantes. The guy had one single novel that's been carrying Spain singlehandedly since the goddamn Reconquista.

[Anonymous No.16068996]

>>16068241
All those three are partly the product of idolatry. For the lack of anything earlier, Germans have followed Goethe's models and made him central by conscious choice. Were it not for that history, Werther, for instance, would not be so widely read today. Shakespeare's output is wildly inconsistent, but read, and interpreted, with extraordinary goodwill. Notoriously, he's a writer of popular and populist material who's later been declared highbrow.

France's problem there is just having too many good authors to play easily into the cult of the lone founding genius or 'national' writer.

[Anonymous No.16068999]

>>16057064
France and it's not even close. Germans haven't produce good literature at all. Besides that gay shit that Goethe made

[Anonymous No.16069009]

>>16068996
Shakespeare is genuinely anomalously good, just in terms of pure ability to compose phrases and sentences.

[Anonymous No.16069017]

>>16068942
Cervantes is ahead of anyone who isn't Shakespeare

[Anonymous No.16069060]

>>16069017
>Literally one single notable work
I'm sorry that Ethhhhhpana has contributed zero literary value in the centuries since, but Don Quixote being unquestionably great does not make him the second greatest writer of all time.

[Anonymous No.16069244]

>>16061731

[Anonymous No.16069252]

>>16057075
>implying germans didn't invent trannies

[Anonymous No.16069296]

>>16068942
>Hugo
Dull as fuck
>Balzac
Very important for early realism but also dull as fuck
>Proust
Haven't read. Don't understand why he was such a loyal cult following. May be a great writer but certainly not as revolutionary or influential as Joyce his contemporary
>Moliere
Who the fuck reads Moliere? lel

[Anonymous No.16069332]

>>16069296
>He is judge a writer who has never read.

What a autisic retarded

[Anonymous No.16069339]

>>16057064
Italians

[Anonymous No.16069342]

>>16057076
Aaah, I haven’t heard this in a while. Thanks for that.

[Anonymous No.16069350]

>>16057325
Ok anon, I’m interested. Why do you think Goethe is better than Proust?
Also, I haven’t read any James Joyce yet, what do you recommend I should start with?

[Anonymous No.16069356]

>>16058452
He was born in Prague.

[Anonymous No.16069379]

>>16069332
I didn't say that about Proust was bad. I simply said that I consider Joyce to be the canonically much more important writer. I did read Moliere a while back tho. Found him meh and forgettable.

[Anonymous No.16069389]

>>16062823
I cannot picture Sartre as a twenty something year old.

[Anonymous No.16069398]

>>16069379
How do you know he's a good writer when you haven't even read it? Are you an idiot?

[Anonymous No.16069417]

>>16069398
Calm down

[Anonymous No.16069606]

The 19th century basically belonged to the French in world literature, while the greatest works of the 20th century were done by Germans. I'd still put France slightly ahead.

[Anonymous No.16069609]

>>16057075
based

[Anonymous No.16070045]

>>16069606
Really? The best of Mann and Kafka is a high bar, but Grass's influence outreaches his quality, Lenz, Böll, Süskind, Fontane, Zweig, R and M Walser etc. are solid not great. Honestly, the 20th century belongs to the filthy Anglo.

[Anonymous No.16070304]

>>16070045
I am including the Austrians. Musil, Broch and Kafka are the top echelon of 20th century literature in my opinion, followed by Döblin, Hasek and Gombrowicz.

[Anonymous No.16070528]

>>16061200

[Anonymous No.16070698]

This thread provides ample proof that /lit/ should be abandonned right away. Just leave this place, what's the point of discussing with anglos who picked up their first book in college and 'learned' about the classics on 4chan? Lol. Say what you will about us superior frenchmen, but I've been around the world and never met a culture as highbrow and developped as ours. Even my dumbest friends have read a million times more than the shitposters on this shit board. Listenning to anglo moralists calling us pedos when it is highly documented that pedophilia is much more prevalent in judeo-calvinist countries, pretty ironic coming from those who laud empiricism as the end all 'philosophy' - they can't even practice it correctly, but that is a given for those who paid attention, you can't take anything that a moralist produces at face value Then you have the uncultured philistines praising russian lit in lieu of french lit, only to exhibit to the world their limited comprehension of its origins. Etc... I could to on and on but I doubt the feminized sensationalists care about anything other than vulgar projection of their own neurosis. Last time I checked the inhibited protestants were still crippled by jealousy over their carefree catholics neighbors. And to all the pathetic italians riding the anglo cock in order to exist, kill yourselves, you disgust me.

[Anonymous No.16071437]

>>16070698
Parisan interacts with non-parisan people and finds out he is not revered as a God, the post

[Anonymous No.16071483]

>No mention of Zola

I honestly think he's leagues above most other French greats.

[Anonymous No.16071622]

>>16070698
>I've been around the world and never met a culture as highbrow and developed as ours.

Sadly I haven't had that experience yet talking to a French person. Maybe it's the fact that they were transplants but I've tried talking about classic French cinema and the response is usually that nobody in France watches that stuff or have heard of those films (Vigo, Renoir, Resnais, ect.)

[Anonymous No.16071866]

>>16070698
Très basé mon ami, sur le fond je suis d'accord avec toi mais n'oublie pas de prendre tes pilules anti-autisme tout de même

>>16071622
Obviously the French common man is not more aware of high culture than his German counterpart for instance. But like the other anon I've travelled a little bit and I have to agree that I never found a highest concentration of arthouse cinemas (to take your example only) than in Paris. Sadly this is only a small Parisian microcosm, in these places people know Vigo, Renoir, Resnais, etc. This is unquantifiable, but I think there is a small class of "cultured" people than is proportionally larger than in other countries. It might just be my Parisian phantasmagoria talking though

[Anonymous No.16072805]

>>16070045
>Honestly, the 20th century belongs to the filthy Anglo.
I can't think of a single good work of 20th century A*glo literature that isn't genre fiction.

[Anonymous No.16072819]

>>16057075
fpbp

[Anonymous No.16072992]

>>16072805
High modernism (Woolf, Joyce, Faulkner) is the obvious factor, but there are plenty of great individual books by e.g. Maddox Ford, Isherwood, Naipaul, Ballard (ok genre), Spark, Alasdair Gray, Bellow, even... Pynchon.

It's hard to give props to any postwar fiction here without some classicist LARPer declaring it beneath them, but the USA has some really strong stuff in that period from the obvious names.

[Anonymous No.16073009]

>>16072992
Oh, you're talking about English language literature. It seems like the A*glos themselves were outdone by all the other English speakers in the 20th century.

[Anonymous No.16073212]

>>16068241
your lack of culture is showing

[Anonymous No.16073219]

>>16069009
Do you know Molière ?
underage should be banned.

[Anonymous No.16073259]

>>16070698
based frog

[Anonymous No.16073306]

>>16057064
>French
>Winning

[Anonymous No.16073325]

>>16073306
Literally can't stop since 1500 years

[Anonymous No.16073341]

>>16070698
This poster is an A*glo

[Anonymous No.16073384]

>>16073325

[Anonymous No.16073926]

>>16071483
Zola is so underrated on /lit/ it's a shame.

[Anonymous No.16074063]

>>16073926
>>16071483
what's your favorite Zola? I've read La Curée and liked it a lot, but Son Excellence Eugene Rougon bored me to no end, where should i go next?

[Anonymous No.16074078]

>>16064831
>Carcassonne
Names a fucking board game. Pleb

[Anonymous No.16074169]

>>16074063
If you liked La Curée then you can read Nana, Aux Bonheur des Dames and L'argent, they share in common some themes and characters (and they take place in Paris).
My favorites from Les Rougon Macquart are: L'Assommoir, Germinal and La Terre.

[Anonymous No.16074215]

>>16061072
this. anyone who disagrees probably only reads translations

[Anonymous No.16074246]

>>16074169
I remember reading Aux Bonheurs des Dames. I've heard a lot from Nana and my best friend talked to me about La Terre, I'll probably go for one of these. Thanks!

[Anonymous No.16074255]

>>16074215
Proust is an author for females and numales. Flaubert is a hack.

[Anonymous No.16074315]

Is there even a contest lol ?

[Anonymous No.16074583]

>>16057064
europe>world

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>>16073926
>>16074063
Zola is literally soap opera tier

[Anonymous No.16074808]

>>16074796
>literally
opinion discarded

[Anonymous No.16074897]

>>16074315
that picture is hilarious, never thought of him like that

[Anonymous No.16076011]

bump

[Anonymous No.16077383]

Spain, unironically