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I’m looking for a good and accessible criticism of capitalism

Ive heard many people hyping capitalist realism by Mark fisher, is this a good place to start?

>> No.16051583

Its like 80-something pages so yes

>> No.16051585

>>16051572
Niggers commit more than 50% of the murder in the US, so how come they think their lives are more valuable than others? All lives matter.

>> No.16051639

>>16051585
You said it yourself: whites have low T. Their lives don't matter.

>> No.16051643
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>>16051639
All lives matter

>> No.16051657

>>16051643
Whites exhibit extraordinarily low productivity with respect to corpse creation. They are lacking in fortitude and should be phased out.

>> No.16051678

>>16051585
But isn't black lives part of all lives, isn't BLM just to protest the crimes of police officers targeting blacks? Blacks don't say their lives are more valuable than others, quite the opposite really their lives are worth less, that's why they're protesting.

>> No.16051716
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>>16051678
This.

>>16051572
Donno if Fisher is such a good choice. I’ve read Richard Wolff and some David Harvey

>> No.16051729

>>16051678
Police officers don't target blacks though, so the whole movement is pointless. It's a controlled protest group run by the media. The organic part is the blacks chimping out and acting like animals whenever they get the chance, the protests are 100% Jewish

>> No.16051756

>>16051729
This

BLM is a capitalist psyop to suppress actual left wing economic populism

I’m not even leftist either but this is obvious

>> No.16051758

>>16051678
>>16051716
about when people say "Blacks are killed by police significantly more than whites?" This data was harder to find from a good source because the FBI doesn't actually publish this data, but here's what I was able to find

Since 2017 more white people have been killed at the hands of police than any other race. Using 2019 as an example, 370 white people were killed compared to 235 black people. Assuming that 100% of all victims who's race was "unknown" end up being black that would put the number of black victims at 437. Even given the benefit of the doubt, blacks are clearly not killed significantly more than whites (the disparity gets worse if you compare blacks vs Hispanic or Asians)
>https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/

You are treated how you dress and act.

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>>16051716
>This.
Thank you butterfly, one day I'll cum on your tits after some long and sweaty tantric sex.

>>16051729
>implying American culture doesn't have racism
>implying that cops are free from their racial biases transmitted to them through American culture
Yeah right, and Turkish police don't go after Kurds.

>> No.16051765

>>16051729
It's a broader scope than that, the movement is about perceived systemic racism, with a few instances of police killing black people held up as illustrative examples.

>> No.16051768

>>16051678
>This.

Kill yourself cancer.

>> No.16051773

>>16051758
Blacks are a smaller group of the population retard, you don't hold that into account.

>> No.16051775

>>16051773
They still don't get killed more though lol you are moving goal posts.

>> No.16051781

>>16051759
please kill yourself and get off my fucking board

>> No.16051789

>>16051773
Right, but they commit so much more crime as a percentage of the population that the frequency of their police encounters is actually lower than it should be, if one was only looking at the per capita of it all.

That information will never dissuade a BLM supporter though, because they perceive a systems-level racism that transcends any statistic you might cite to them.

>> No.16051805

>>16051775
>moving the goalpost
Literally retarded 0 IQ subhuman who doesn't know how statistics work and uses them disingenuously to confirm to their biases. Do I really have to explain it to you? Police officers shot and killed 1,001 people in the United States in 2019. About half of those killed were white, and one quarter were black, making the rate of deaths for black Americans (31 fatal shootings per million) more than twice as high as the rate for white Americans (13 fatal shootings per million)

>> No.16051809

>>16051572
'Men Among the Ruins' by Julius Evola delves into the degenerative nature of Capitalism.

>> No.16051812

>>16051805
But it more whites are killed on average by police, so like I said you are just moving goal posts at this point. It doesnt matter if they are a minority or not.

>> No.16051815

>>16051805
According to the FBI 2018 UCR violent crime statistics table 49A (the most recent published year) blacks commit 58.2% of the murders (3,859 individual murders).
>https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2018/crime-in-the-u.s.-2018/tables/table-49

Based on the total population of blacks in the USA (13.4%, 47.4 million) that means that roughly 1/11k blacks commit murder each year.
>https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/US/IPE120218

In the essence of fairness, I compared the rate at which whites commit rape according to the above table (63.8% or 8,615 individual cases)

Whites make up 76.5% of the US for a total of 197,181,177. This means that roughly 1/22k white people commit rape each year.

Thus, if my math holds, you are around 1.8x more likely to be killed by a black person, than raped by a white person.

>> No.16051820

>>16051805
>no source
Kek.

>> No.16051825

>>16051812
What are you talkin about? Their argument is that blacks are more likely to be killed by police, which is true. Their argument is not about total numbers. The correct play for you right now is to do what >>16051815 did and go to the crime stats. But even that is ultimately countered by the assertion that black criminality derives from systemic racism favoring whiteness and oppressing poc

>> No.16051828

>>16051825
>What are you talkin about? Their argument is that blacks are more likely to be killed by police, which is true
How is that true when the statistics state that more whites die yearly by police?

about when people say "Blacks are killed by police significantly more than whites?" This data was harder to find from a good source because the FBI doesn't actually publish this data, but here's what I was able to find

Since 2017 more white people have been killed at the hands of police than any other race. Using 2019 as an example, 370 white people were killed compared to 235 black people. Assuming that 100% of all victims who's race was "unknown" end up being black that would put the number of black victims at 437. Even given the benefit of the doubt, blacks are clearly not killed significantly more than whites (the disparity gets worse if you compare blacks vs Hispanic or Asians)
>https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/

You are treated how you dress and act.

>> No.16051833

>>16051572
I'm racist but the idea of a nigger throwing his own race under the bus rubs me the wrong way.

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is it good? any problem with it?

>> No.16051837

>>16051828
>still clinging to the total numbers
You're just not getting it dude. I feel this has been explained itt well enough already. Let's advance the conversation.

>> No.16051839
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>>16051837
>numbers are wrong and Im right!!!

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Amerifats are true nigger lovers

>> No.16051852

>>16051839
I'm a charitable man, anon. I don't really think you're too dumb to understand the per capita arguments in this thread. I think you're just being willfully ignorant as a defense mechanism. For more on this, read "White Fragility"

>> No.16051853

>>16051775
Anon Using 2019 as an example, 370 white people were killed compared to 235 black people, which means 370/197,181,177 white people in the US = 0.0002 % of the population versus 235/41,400,000 = 0.0006%, 3x as much by percentage of population

>> No.16051858

>>16051852
>>16051853

More whites are killed by police yearly, so how exactly how does that mean they more killed and targeted by police more? This is some cope.

>> No.16051860

>>16051853
>>16051852
are you baiting someone to bring up crime stats or what is your end game here

>> No.16051869

>>16051789
>>16051815
That minorities commit more crime can be explained by socioeconomic factors, such as poverty, exposure to poor neighborhoods, poor access to public education, poor access to early childhood education, and exposure to harmful chemicals (such as lead) and pollution. Racial housing segregation has also been linked to racial disparities in crime rates, as blacks have historically and to the present been prevented from moving into prosperous low-crime areas through actions of the government (such as redlining) and private actors.
>>16051812
Retard. Whites are killed less on average. Are you dumb, they get killed more in total, less on average. Don't you see the obvious racial disparity?
>>16051820
Look for the source yourself, it's easy to find.

>> No.16051871

>>16051853
>>16051852
Still can't provide any statistics... It's all so tiresome.


Since 2017 more white people have been killed at the hands of police than any other race. Using 2019 as an example, 370 white people were killed compared to 235 black people. Assuming that 100% of all victims who's race was "unknown" end up being black that would put the number of black victims at 437. Even given the benefit of the doubt, blacks are clearly not killed significantly more than whites (the disparity gets worse if you compare blacks vs Hispanic or Asians)
>https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/

You are treated how you dress and act.

>> No.16051873

>>16051758
By percentage they are killed more
By real number, whites are killed more. Why does this not alarm you? Why do you stick up for the thugs in blue?

>> No.16051879

>>16051858
>>16051871
I take it back. You actually are too dumb to understand what per capita means. Wow.

>>16051860
I'm only one of those anons. My "end game" is to help you all understand what BLM is talking about.

>> No.16051883

>>16051869


More whites are killed on average though
see >>16051871

>>16051879
still nothing to back his claims lol

>> No.16051897

>>16051883
More blacks are killed by police for their share of the population than white people are. You're too stupid to understand this, but few to none of our readers are. Beginning to suspect you're drunk.

>> No.16051898

>>16051873
>Why does this not alarm you? Why do you stick up for the thugs in blue?
As I already stated: you are treated how you act and dress. Stop blaming you inadequacies and stupidity on the police or better yet kill yourself

>> No.16051903

>>16051879
you understand that given how much crime they commit and how many more encounters they have with cops, they aren't killed disproportionately?

>> No.16051904

>>16051897
That doesn't change the fact more white people are killed on average by police, so stop moving the goal post m80 :)

>> No.16051905

>>16051903
Yes. I already discussed that in these posts: >>16051789 >>16051825

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>>16051898
>Black tongues matter!

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>>16051883
Holy shit, did you have math in highschool? Do you not know what average means? Do you not know you have to take into account population numbers? How fucking low IQ are you? Jesus. Are you being unfaithful or disingenuous ?
Okay let me tell you how to use math, you take the amount of people killed by a certain race and divide it by the population of the race. You'll see that blacks are getting killed more on AVERAGE you dumb fucking shit.
Ia this /pol/ tier intelligence. Do I really have to explain highschool, no primary school tier math to a fucking /pol/ tard. Just kys, your probably even dumber than your average ghetto nigger.

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>>16051871
>>16051883
Here let me do the math for you because you are probably not even capable of doing that.
>370 white people were killed
In 2019 there were 250.52 million white people
370/250250000 = 1,47852148 × 10^6
>235 black people
In 2019 there were 44.08 million black people
235/44080000 = 5,33121597 × 10-6
YOU SEE THE MASSIVE DIFFERENCE IN PERCENTAGE YOU FUCKING BRAINDEAD RETARD, I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU'RE EVEN HERE. I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU EXIST. GET THE FUCK BACK TO /pol/ WHERE YOU SAFELY CAN SPEW YOUR RETARDED NONSENSE.

>> No.16051986

>>16051944
But below it clearly states more whites are killed on average by police. It does not matter if they make up more of the population or not that is just cope for your tiny head :) and changes nothing


Since 2017 more white people have been killed at the hands of police than any other race. Using 2019 as an example, 370 white people were killed compared to 235 black people. Assuming that 100% of all victims who's race was "unknown" end up being black that would put the number of black victims at 437. Even given the benefit of the doubt, blacks are clearly not killed significantly more than whites (the disparity gets worse if you compare blacks vs Hispanic or Asians)
>https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/

You are treated how you dress and act.

>> No.16051990

>>16051982
see >>16051986

>> No.16051994

>>16051572
>capitalist realism by Mark fisher
Yeah it's an excellent read.

I especially enjoyed the part about business ontology and how it shapes how we communicate and perceive our every day reality and interactions.

Also made me wonder about Socialist Realism and how reality would've been under that regime if that were to have had global hegemony.
How our thoughts and ideals would been shaped under that ontology.

>> No.16052003

>>16051982
Cope with with that shitty race nigger loving fag.

According to the FBI 2018 UCR violent crime statistics table 49A (the most recent published year) blacks commit 58.2% of the murders (3,859 individual murders).
>https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2018/crime-in-the-u.s.-2018/tables/table-49

Based on the total population of blacks in the USA (13.4%, 47.4 million) that means that roughly 1/11k blacks commit murder each year.
>https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/US/IPE120218

In the essence of fairness, I compared the rate at which whites commit rape according to the above table (63.8% or 8,615 individual cases)

Whites make up 76.5% of the US for a total of 197,181,177. This means that roughly 1/22k white people commit rape each year.

Thus, if my math holds, you are around 1.8x more likely to be killed by a black person, than raped by a white person.

>> No.16052018

>>16051986
>>16052003
>posting the same things again and again
>not integrating new information
Weak troll or dumb drunk.

>> No.16052022

>>16052018
>can't post any stats to back up any claims
Like I said or instead of repeating myself refer to this post >>16052003 and this one >>16051994

>> No.16052028

>>16052018
When will you cite your counter sources for for this >>16052003 or this >>16051994

>> No.16052037

>niggers have a lower IQ on average is totally not why police arrest them more often.

>> No.16052048

>>16051986
>>16052003
Okay let me use your fucking logic against you retarded faggots.

According to the FBI statistics White people commit more crime on average than black Americans. They have been charged with the most offenses.
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2018/crime-in-the-u.s.-2018/tables/table-49
They rape more, do more aggravated assault, they do more burglary, they do more Larceny-theft, they do more Motor vehicle theft, they do more Arson, they do more assaults, they do more Forgery and counterfeitin, they do more fraud, etc.

Clearly black man has to kill whitey, because whiteys are fucking crazy. They do so much crime, almost double of what the black man does.

Get fucked idiots. Black man commit less crime on average than whitetoids, they have to kill more to survive in whitey land.

>> No.16052054

>>16052048
Yet more white people are killed on average opposed to black people. Again, it does not matter if they are a minority or not.More whites are still killed Cope tranny and cut you cock off and off yourself.

>> No.16052059

>>16051572
>I’m looking for a good and accessible criticism of capitalism
Prussianism and Socialism by Spengler
Literally all you need. We'd be better off if more people had read it.

>> No.16052068
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>>16052054
Whites commit more crime on average, so it is no wonder they get killed more. Twice as many white people commit crime compared to the black man.

>> No.16052071

>>16052068

According to the FBI 2018 UCR violent crime statistics table 49A (the most recent published year) blacks commit 58.2% of the murders (3,859 individual murders).
>https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2018/crime-in-the-u.s.-2018/tables/table-49

Based on the total population of blacks in the USA (13.4%, 47.4 million) that means that roughly 1/11k blacks commit murder each year.
>https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/US/IPE120218

In the essence of fairness, I compared the rate at which whites commit rape according to the above table (63.8% or 8,615 individual cases)

Whites make up 76.5% of the US for a total of 197,181,177. This means that roughly 1/22k white people commit rape each year.

Thus, if my math holds, you are around 1.8x more likely to be killed by a black person, than raped by a white person.

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>>16052071
Wrong, according the statistics crime done by:
>Black or African American
1,633,054
>White
3,734,292

Stop moving the goalpost :^)

>> No.16052101

>>16052087
Alright but more whites are killed by police yearly meaning blacks are just complaing because they are dumb niggers and need to cope with the fact they are failures lol

>> No.16052133

>>16051572
David Harvey's A Brief History of Neoliberalism is a quick read on why modern day capitalism is so shit.

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>>16052101
>alright
So you conceded, AHAHAHHAHHAA
Wanna go back to using percentages again, because you know we live in a world were we have math?
>blacks are just complaining
Oh no, does the fact that black people demand for fairer treatment hurt your fragile white feelings?
>white are killed more
Not enough whites are killed, look at the crime statistics. Whites are literally subhumans, they should be killed atleast twice as much as the black man
FUCKING RETARD, GO BACK WHERE YOU BELONG.
Ahahahahhaha, you'll never recover from this. What an embarrassment. Have sex incel.

>> No.16052159

>>16052147
I think you missed this part of my post or you are coping and being willfully ignorant.
>more whites are killed by police yearly meaning blacks are just complaing because they are dumb niggers and need to cope with the fact they are failures and need a scapegoat lol

>> No.16052201

Do I need to read anything to have a indepth understanding of capitalism before moving to capitalism criticsm?

>> No.16052214
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>>16052159
I think you missed the part where
1,633,054 Blacks commit crime
3,734,292 whites commit crime
Let say that's about twice the amount (while it obviously slightly more than that)
You said there where
235 blacks killed
370 whites killed
Notice the disparity?
We could choose either to drop the number of killed blacks down to 185 or increase the number of whites killed by 470
You should be glad they didn't start the Kill More Whites Movement.

KILL MORE WHITES
>KILL MORE WHITES

KILL MORE WHITES
>KILL MORE WHITES

KILL MORE WHITES
>KILL MORE WHITES

Ahahahaha you are so dumb, you should've listened to >>16051825
Fucking braindead subhuman, they should kill you to make the numbers more balanced.

>> No.16052218

>>16052214
As you can see here more whites are killed yearly. I'll wait for you to cite your sources.

Since 2017 more white people have been killed at the hands of police than any other race. Using 2019 as an example, 370 white people were killed compared to 235 black people. Assuming that 100% of all victims who's race was "unknown" end up being black that would put the number of black victims at 437. Even given the benefit of the doubt, blacks are clearly not killed significantly more than whites (the disparity gets worse if you compare blacks vs Hispanic or Asians)
>https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/

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>>16052201
You can jump directly in to capitalism criticism most of those books will teach you that anyway.

>>16052218
>still trying
Let me repeat what I said
1,633,054 Blacks commit crime
3,734,292 whites commit crime
Whites commit about 2x times the amount of crime
Now if we take the amount of times a black person gets killed and use your number 235 multiply it by 2 we get 470
You say only 370 white people got killed, so we should've killed 100 more. So lets shout together:
KILL MORE WHITES!
>KILL MORE WHITES!
KILL MORE WHITES!
>KILL MORE WHITES!

(or you know try to reduce the amount of black people killed and give BLM support)

>> No.16052253

>>16052250
>Let me repeat what I said
Let me repeat what I said:

According to the FBI 2018 UCR violent crime statistics table 49A (the most recent published year) blacks commit 58.2% of the murders (3,859 individual murders).
>https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2018/crime-in-the-u.s.-2018/tables/table-49

Based on the total population of blacks in the USA (13.4%, 47.4 million) that means that roughly 1/11k blacks commit murder each year.
>https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/US/IPE120218

In the essence of fairness, I compared the rate at which whites commit rape according to the above table (63.8% or 8,615 individual cases)

Whites make up 76.5% of the US for a total of 197,181,177. This means that roughly 1/22k white people commit rape each year.

Thus, if my math holds, you are around 1.8x more likely to be killed by a black person, than raped by a white person.

Now what about when people say "Blacks are killed by police significantly more than whites?" This data was harder to find from a good source because the FBI doesn't actually publish this data, but here's what I was able to find

Since 2017 more white people have been killed at the hands of police than any other race. Using 2019 as an example, 370 white people were killed compared to 235 black people. Assuming that 100% of all victims who's race was "unknown" end up being black that would put the number of black victims at 437. Even given the benefit of the doubt, blacks are clearly not killed significantly more than whites (the disparity gets worse if you compare blacks vs Hispanic or Asians)
>https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/

>> No.16052270

>>16052250
>that image
Wonderful false equivalence and well played nigger lover.