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Hello /lit,

I recently got accepted to both the university of Hong Kong and the university of St andrews (scotland). These are both top 20 universities in the world and I just don't know which one to go to. I'm thinking about majoring in international relations and would like to learn spanish, chinese, and arabic. The problem is they both offer all of these.

What do?

>> No.1604937

try /adv/

>> No.1604936

So you're debating whether you should learn Chinese and international relations in China or in Scotland?

Really?

>> No.1604956

China is the future while Scotland is OK. You do the math.

You do the math.

>> No.1605017

hk obviously

>> No.1605022

Why are you so god damn successful?
Asshole.

>> No.1605028

>>1604936

Yeah, cause China is a foreign country right? So that makes it better for "international" relations? But is it foreign to everyone? What if he was Chinese? Dumbass..

Scotland is just as "international" as China.

>> No.1605041

>>1605028
Whatever meaning was in the post you quoted obviously went way over your head silly anon

China would be better to go to, because when China takes over the US things will be way easier for you
and if you learn Chinese in China it'll be easier to learn the language if you're living there

>> No.1605044

>>1605041

>implying the English used for instruction in China won't be sub-par and so the internationalness balances out with Scotland

>> No.1605047

where do you see people ranking st andrews as top 20?

>> No.1605053
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>>1605047

China.

>> No.1605054

>>1605044
Hong Kong.

>> No.1605052

>>1605044
It's Hong Kong, bro.
everybody there, especially people working at an international university, speaks english as well as you or me.

>> No.1605051

It depends - are you a chink or a euroqueen or an amerifag or what?

>> No.1605056

>>1605041

>He thinks China's going to take over the US

Yeah, and so are the Mexicans. There's a difference between manufacturing all our crap/providing cheap labor and having any real influence.

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>>1605052

Yeah, I'm sure...

>> No.1605065
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1605065

You done goofed.

>> No.1605067

>>1605061
that sign was pretty clearly done through an automatic translator in a rural area. Since Hong Kong was owned by Britain for a decent 150 years, English is still probably a part of normal students' curriculums. Especially when you reflet on the fact that English is taught to all students even in Shanghai.

>> No.1605072

>>1605067

French is part of the national curriculum in the UK. Try and speak to anyone in French, they'll stare blankly and laugh at you. Doesn't mean they can speak it well.

>> No.1605074

>>1605072
The UK doesn't really have as high education standards or effective practices as China.

>> No.1605076
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1605076

http://www.topuniversities.com/university-rankings/world-university-rankings/2010


Hong Kong #23

St. Andrew's #95

Enjoy your shit-tier university, either way.

Love from Gonville and Caius, Cambridge (#1, in case you're interested). St.Andrew's is just for posh kids who are too stupid to get into Oxbridge. Pic related.

>> No.1605083

>>1605081
>English education is the best in the world next to the US.
I meant at a pre-university level.

>> No.1605081

>>1605074

English education is the best in the world next to the US.

>> No.1605088

>>1605083
Grass is greener bullshit. English schools are the best in the world.

>> No.1605097

>>1605088
idk about that

>> No.1605103

>>1605088
US public school education is not all that great.
From what I have read about Chinese public school education, it is very good.

>> No.1605110

>>1605103

Hong Kong, not China, you fuckign idiot.

>> No.1605116

>>1605110
Is Hong Kong in China or am I tripping the fuck out.

>> No.1605119

One thing to consider is that moving to another country is not an easy thing to do. It depends on the individual, of course, but adapting to another culture while trying to do great at school... I don't know, it can be the best experience of your life or it can be tough and hinder your performance.

>> No.1605126

>>1605076

You are an idiot. Those rankings have nothing to do with the quality of undergraduate teaching. They are almost entirely based on the quality of research.

In the USA, the best colleges for undergraduate teaching are liberal arts colleges; they are less prestigious than the top private and public universities, but that is only relevant if you care more about your job prospects than about your education.

Also, grade inflation in the UK has reached a level where it is virtually impossible to distinguish between candidates who apply to Oxbridge. In all likelihood, the average successful application at any top ten university in the UK has achieved almost identical grades to successful Oxbridge applicants. However, the slightly smelly way in which some people cling desperately to the reputations of their institutions is terribly amusing.

>> No.1605127

>>1605116
One country, two systems. Or so they say. It was officially a British colony until 1997 and they will be adapting to Chinese mainland standards until 2047. I think.

>> No.1605125

>>1605061
It's a correct translation. Probably a sign outside a panda enclosure.

Dumbasses.

>> No.1605128

>>1605116
It's geographically located in Japan and it's a separate country.

>> No.1605131

>>1605125

If that is 'the' national treasure of China then we've really been overstating their economic gravity.

>> No.1605132

>>1605128
>*seperate

>> No.1605133

>>1605127
Oh, so it doesn't follow the same education standards as the rest of the country?
In any case, I doubt the professors at the university are bad at speaking English.

>> No.1605136

>>1605131
So it's "a" instead of "the"
Big fucking deal

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>>1605128
wut

>> No.1605140

>>1605126

>supports elitism of institutions
>doesn't realise grades are simply a means of discriminating against ethnic minorities and people with less oppurtunities

>> No.1605142

>>1605141

My point exactly.

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>>1605136

You wouldn't see a mistake like that in St. Andrews.

>> No.1605144

>>1605140

>Failure.

>> No.1605146

>>1605144

>implying I'm not at Oxford

>> No.1605147

>>1605140
I know, right? All these university rankings are just a disguise and an ideological reinforcement of social class hierarchy.

>> No.1605149

>>1605141
I assume OP's learning Chinese, not English.

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1605152

>ITT

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>>1605126

Wow, U mad.

He probably went to Bristol or Durham or one of the other tier two colleges, and he jelly an mad

>> No.1605156

>>1605140

Universities do not have a social responsibility to redress the structural imbalance of the British education system. That must be done long before a person has reached adulthood. Elitism (it's really meritocratic for the most part) in universities is kind of the point.

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>>1605146

>Implying not being at the number one (that is, Cambridge) isn't representative of a failure.

>> No.1605163

>>1604933
im just curious, but what exactly did you do to get accepted into both of those?

>> No.1605164

>>1605154

That was funny. I go to an American university with an endowment twice that of either Oxford or Cambridge. Ho ho ho.

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>>1605156

Spot fucking on.

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>>1605163

If you haven't rejected St. Andrews, you're a dunderhead.

>> No.1605175

University snobbery gets tiring after awhile...

I'm sure both schools will provide an excellent education. No clue where OP is from, but culturally both locations have their appeal as well. How does tuition and cost of living of each place match up? Getting through uni without much debt is nothing to scoff at.

>> No.1605176

>>1605158

Cambridge is not the number one university in the world. Your insecurity really does shine through when you pick the only league table which has Cambridge ranked ahead of Harvard. In reality, there are about a dozen American institutions which are the superiors of Cambridge.

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>>1605176

Name them, dear boy, name them.

>> No.1605182

>>1605176
It always depends on the field. Also, the criteria used for the rankings are different, etc...

>> No.1605200

saying a dozen us unis are better than oxbridge is hard to defend, but there are a dozen that are as good or better, particularly in research.

>> No.1605204

>>1605200

Yeah, I think you're right about postgraduate research. Edinburgh and St. Andrews are practically as good as Oxbridge at that level.

>> No.1605210

>>1605180

Harvard, Princeton, Yale, Stanford, MIT, Berkeley, UTAustin, Columbia, Penn, Michigan, Northwestern, Chicago.

Cambridge is on par with some other excellent European institutions like the École Normale Supérieure de Paris, Oxford University, and the Ruprecht-Karls-Universität Heidelberg. I could throw in some universities from other continents, but I think that is quite enough for now.

>> No.1605214

University rankings always remind me one of these world city rankings I saw published by a british newspaper. Basically they established a series of criteria by which all the big capitals of the world where ranked according to how much they managed to be similar to London. Surprisingly, the number one city ended being London for some reason.

>> No.1605220

I'm an American at St Andrews.
>>1605210
Yes, St Andrews is far from the top university in the world. But that's overall; it's got the best IR department in the UK, and I assume that measures up decently to other shools' IR departments.
On that note, fuck off; we don't want you coming over and polluting this nation's culture even more.

>> No.1605227

>>1605220

I think you're responding to the wrong person. I am not the OP. Sorry that they don't teach basic reading comprehension at St. Andrews

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>>1605227

>> No.1605243

>>1605175
this

Also Hong Kong is more exotic and foreign (at least to me), so I would think the experience alone would be interesting enough.

>> No.1605246

>>1605220

>we don't want you coming over and polluting this nation's culture even more.

>I'm an American at St Andrews.

Fuck off back to your own country then, you fucking yank cunt. For what it's worth, WE don't want you polluting our nation's culture anymore either, we just use you for your fucking money.

>> No.1605267

>>1605246
Yeah, I do object to being charged an arm, leg and firstborn to come here, when people from fucking Lithuania pay next to nothing.
A) you completely missed my irony, B) I am Scottish by heritage. I've also seen more of this country than you ever will, and on foot.
The troll orgies on /lit/ but /b/'s to shame.

>> No.1605296

>>1605267

>I am Scottish by heritage.

lol. just lol. You have no idea how funny we think this is.

I'm Scottish by virtue of having been born here, of two scottish parents (one of whom is of chinese descent, but I don't claim "chinese heritage"). You're American, and as I say, we only want your money, and when you have no more, we will rescind your visa and send you back home to your fat repugnant parents.ro

>> No.1605313

>>1604933
>>1604933
>>1604933

If the chinese students at my uni are anything to go by, you will get a lot more discussion, discourse and debate about politics at a UK uni than at a Chinese uni.

St. Andrews is a nice campus though.

>> No.1605320

>>1604933
Many people are of the opinion that living all year round in Scotland can be very hard due to the terrible weather. No offense, I don't mind rain all that much.

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>>1605313
Who the fuck wants to debate with your sorry ass about politics, anyway?
>He thinks there's anything left worth saying.

>> No.1605341

>>1605328

GET ANGRY STAY ANGRY CAPS FOREVER RA

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>>1605328

yeah, like, everything is so passe and shit. I'd care but you know whatever

>> No.1605349

Hong Kong it's where the money is.

>> No.1605413

I'm Scottish, and while I'm not remotely fond of my country as a whole, St Andrews is a rather beautiful place. Very relaxing atmosphere.