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books to BTFO materialism?

>> No.16047661

>>16047639
Lemme save you some time. Any book which claims to have refuted materialism relies ultimately on "muh feels" (which they dignify under many different names to lend it some apparent rigor.) Also, all of the good ones were written before 1960 and are hopelessly out of date anyways. Physicalism won. Read current neuroscience. Case. Closed

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>>16047639
Can't refute facts

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>>16047672

>> No.16047710

The mere existence of consciousness definitively BTFOs any form of materialism worthy of the name. Any of the so-called "materialist" explanations of consciousness are just forms of property dualism, if not outright substance dualism.

>> No.16047729

>>16047639
You don't need a book the btfo is that believing in materialism means that you are just a puppet to your own chemistry

If your brain is the object which controls you utterly then your brain is the one allowing you to believe in materialism. its just circular logic.

>> No.16047915

>>16047672
>Marx
>2020
lmao that cult is dying out

>> No.16047945

>>16047672
Marx’s materialism gets btfo by stirner because Marx has no biological basis
Also, Marxism died 30 years ago.

>> No.16047948

>>16047915
only because his followers haven't even read Kapital.

>> No.16047977

>>16047948
Anyone who hasn't read at least vol 1 can't call themselves a Marxist.

>> No.16048278

>>16047664
I'm reading this right now. Really enjoying it.

>> No.16048289

>>16047639
Check out the writings of Bernardo Kastrup.

>> No.16048292

>>16047664
(((nagel)))
Come on. Is this the best “idealists” can do?

>> No.16048300

>>16047661
Feelings don't care about your facts.

>> No.16048759

>>16047729
>If your brain is the object which controls you utterly then your brain is the one allowing you to believe in materialism. its just circular logic.
Look at the confusion in this sentence, look at it and laugh.

>> No.16048768

>>16048278
What is it about mainly, what's the thesis and themes? Scientific methodology, consciousness, something else?

>> No.16048784

No such books. Your best bet is that Donald comic.

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>>16048784
Unironically the best literature that Disney ever had to offer. Great story about how the real riches are the experiences and memories gathered along the way. It's materialism BTFO, but not the kind of materialism that OP wants I'm afraid.

>> No.16048852

>>16047729
you're brain is you.

>> No.16048857

>>16048852
*your*

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16048876

What the Buddha Taught. Follow up with the Heart Sutra. I've seen In the Buddhas Words recommended, but have not read it.

Aztec Philosophy. Follow up with Philosophy of the Ancient Mayan.

>It's on libgen.

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>>16048292

>> No.16048893

>>16048857
You're brain is your?

>> No.16048897

>>16047639

Examen De La Philosophie De Bacon

>> No.16048900

>>16047639
>orbits of the electrons in your brain
Is there a word for this? You see this with Boomer memes a lot. Like, they don't know what the words mean, but they have these vague webs where the word is sort of attached to some other concept, and even though they have nothing to do with each other, they know there's SOME kind of relation. So they just slap a bunch of shit together, and hope you have the same sort of word-web in your head as them.

>> No.16048908

>>16048900
holy shit

>> No.16048926

>>16048908
No, really, I feel like there's a word for this. It's probably German, too long, and made up of smaller words. It happens all the fucking time with Boomers. Anti-gun boomer memes are a particularly good example of this, because there's a lot of technical terms that mean something really precise, so gun nerds blow the fuck up and tell some dumb middle aged accountant why no, a scope doesn't "make the bullets more accurate".

>> No.16048952

>>16048852
thanks, einstein. very enlightening.

>> No.16048992

>>16047661
why your science cannot make all people extremely strong and happy?

>> No.16049002

>>16047639
carlos castaneda.

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>>16047672

>> No.16049036

>>16048926
Take your meds, buddy

>> No.16049153

>>16047639
Sry but the deeper you go the more you think that all anti materialsts are driven by their ego cause they think they´re better than a meat robot!

>> No.16049453

>>16047661
In his introduction to the essay, Hume complains about comments exactly like this in the eighteenth century
You could probably make an increasingly nervous man out of this but spread it across thousands of years of people thinking that they dun figured out everything

>> No.16049494

>>16049153

Materialism - just trivialize your ego

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>>16047639

>> No.16049548

>>16048926

Have any examples? I don't mind your unfunny schizo wriitng

>> No.16050553

>>16048768
I've only just started it, but his main point seems to be that the pure physicalist sciences will eventually reach a dead end in their attempt to explain the world (an assumption based on the historical inability of science to reduce qualia and other mental states to material states, among other things), and we need to prepare and be open to the possibility of a huge paradigm shift in science that can adequately account for the missing pieces. He argues that mind is a fundamental element of nature and not just a byproduct of physical chance, and thus must be at the centre of our worldview.

>> No.16050849

>>16049153
Its funny, the further I've gone the more I realise that materialist are just justifying their own immorality.
G-d bless sibling.
>>16047639
Quran imo. Read and listen. Ecclesiastes as well.

>> No.16051042

>>16047639
Lemme save you some time. Any book which claims to have proved materialism relies ultimately on "muh feels" (which they dignify under many different names to lend it some apparent rigor.) Also, all of the good ones were written before 1960 and are hopelessly out of date anyways. Physicalism won. Read current neuroscience. Case. Closed

>> No.16051137

>>16048900
>>16048926
Just call it illiteracy, semi-literacy, stupidity, or an inability to write properly.

>> No.16051168

>>16048893
You are brain is you.