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What s /lit/'s opinion of Umberto Eco's definition of fascism?

https://www.nybooks.com/articles/1995/06/22/ur-fascism/

Are there any better definitions of fascism?

>> No.16034799

I'm not reading that. The point is that Rome is now overrun by mass tourism and niggers harassing people in the street. It is dirty. It is hostile. It is unpleasant. The historical architecture, which should be Italy's pride, is turned into a cheap commodity, for people to come and take pictures in for social media. Migrants and refugees are everywhere. Grifters are everywhere. This is the rape of a once-great city, the heart of European civilisation. Do you think it would have been this way under fascism? I highly fucking doubt it.

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Italiano here, I can't stand that dude, he's the definition of pseud. He criticized metaphysics people like Guénon (pbuh) and he was just a snob imho. He's the italian version of Taleb.
>pic related
>>16034799
Rome as the capital city of Roman empire was always like that, and besides every western capital city is just a shitfest of lowlife scums.
You either never been there or you just romanticize Rome and its empire.

>> No.16034830

>>16034799
check'd mate them dubs been seen'd; lived thoust in havint un-ciphered will, ain't ye?

>> No.16034854

>>16034799
>>16034829
Kek, imagine getting filtered this hard. Then come here to cope

>> No.16034872

>>16034854
Anger can only be a matter of venting; it is aggression in a vacuum, directed at someone who is a fellow victim of the system but with whom there is no possibility of communality. Just as the anger has no proper object, it will have no effect. In this experience of a system that is unresponsive, impersonal, centerless, abstract and fragmentary, you are as close as you can be to confronting the artificial stupidity of Capital in itself.

In Short: One day you will grow up.

>> No.16034891

>>16034872
>In Short: One day you will grow up.
Biggest cope when confronted about their original cope in a while

>> No.16034895

>>16034799
>OH NOOOOOOOEEESS! INTIMIDATING NEGROES ARE TRYING TO SELL ME WATER BOTTLES AT A SLIGHT PREMIUM ON THE STREETS! AND DISGUSTING PROMISCUOUS WHORE WOMEN WHO WONT HAVE SEX WITH ME ARE TAKING PICTURES OF BUILDINGS! IT'S NOT FAIR! IT'S TERRIBLE! FASCISM WOULD SOLVE THIS!
Unironically, start lifting, stop bitching.

>> No.16034936

Reading umberto eco,someone who was against Fascism,for an definition on it is retarded. It's like reading Ayn rand for a definition of communism. Read a book written by a fascist for an explanation of the ideology

>> No.16034977

>>16034895
I don't understand how you can trivialise the matter like this. When I went to Rome I wasn't "sold water bottles at a slightly higher price", I was confronted in the street by a big nigger who gave me and my sister some bracelets, pretending he was some sort of activist for African issues, and then got in my face and asked me to "give me money for my baby". When I refused he told me "fuck you" and I was afraid he would try to stab me or something. This is not an isolated incident either; this same organisation with the same bracelets was all over Rome. Evidently they hired the biggest, most intimidating black niggers they could find to scare tourists into giving them money. Would Mussolini allow this?
The "whore women" were raping the historical legacy of Rome by standing outside the Colosseum in their revealing clothes and taking titillating pictures of themselves. They had no appreciation for any of the history there; they were just using it for social credit on Instagram. Would Mussolini allow this?
The streets were filthy, crammed with people, and reeked. Would Mussolini allow this?
Finally the mass tourists were everywhere, "economically significant but existentially loathsome", as DFW said, treating the city as if it were just a commodity to be consumed like a fucking Coke can or Netflix show. They had no desire to connect with the city, to understand the culture, to respectfully appreciate the history. They were utter parasites interested only in their own hedonistic enjoyment and social media points. Would Mussolini allow this?

>> No.16034999

>>16034977
Again some them dubs. I am the anon up in the beginning not the idiot underage you are responding to.
I will only say that I lived exactly that in Athenes. With niggers AND gypsies.

>> No.16035025

>>16034756
>What s /lit/'s opinion of Umberto Eco's definition of fascism?
Screw that /pol/ autism. What's /lit/'s opinion of the man himself and his works?

>> No.16035050

>>16034936
Noooooo you have to read this communist jew's take on fascism, and some milquetoast post-WW2 liberal's take on it too instead of reading what the founders of the movement thought!

>> No.16035062

>>16034829
if eco was a pseud what are you?

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>>16034756
>freedom of speech means freedom from rhetoric.
That's a keeper.

>> No.16035087

>>16034936
eco was an intellectual and a deeply knowledgeable person in matters of many disciplines (not last history and philosophy), a fascist can give his take on fascism but eco can analyze and dissect it from outside to reveal the common traits of its several manifestations

>> No.16035098

>>16035087
A small yet meaningless word salad. Eco's definition of fascism is deeply rooted in his own personal biases. It's completely worthless. Read Roger Griffin if you must.

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>>16034854
>>16034891

>> No.16035755

>>16035062
I'm nobody, unlike Eco who is idolized by leftists here in Italy.

>> No.16035958

>>16035087
>eco can analyze and dissect it from outside to reveal the common traits of its several manifestations

But his analysis was a complete piece of doodoo. Kind of a dissapointment after reading Foucaults Pendulum, he quoted Evola and others in that book but he still seemed to project his hatred of italian fascists later on on dishonest grounds.

>> No.16036119

>>16034756
Only people from literature departments read it. No one else bothers with it, not polsci, not sociology, not phil.
That's pretty telling if you ask me

>> No.16036153

>>16034799
>Rome is now overrun by mass tourism and niggers harassing people in the street. It is dirty. It is hostile. It is unpleasant.
It was literally almost exactly like that going back all the way to the republic.
>The historical architecture, which should be Italy's pride
Italy's genesis is in Milan, Florence, Venice, Genoa etc.

>> No.16036196

>>16035087
Being learned doesn't mean you lack biases -- and Eco clearly has a bias.

If you wanted to learn about Communism, would you read one of its detractors or one of its founders to begin with?

>> No.16036375

>>16034799
You are retarded if you think Ancient Rome was any different. Literally most of the population was descended of slaves from different parts of the empire by the first century AD. There were fucking tourist guides written by Romans for visitors. Waste used to disposed of in the street from windows, and giant slums crowded the city. Rome was never like your fantasy at any point in time.