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Is Kant the origin for modern day Liberalism and materialism?

>> No.16033621

No

>> No.16033648

>>16033613
Nah, materialism goes back to Thales and liberalism goes back to the sophists. John Locke is regarded as the father of modern liberalism.

>> No.16033691

>>16033613
Modern day liberalism like the progressives in the past decade is Rousseauian.

>> No.16033695

>>16033691
this is very inaccurate

>> No.16033697

>>16033613
He is the demiurge of autism

>> No.16033715

>>16033648
I said modern, and undoubtedly Kant is to blame at least in part for modern day Liberalism. Just see his stretch for world peace.

>> No.16033722

>>16033695
What natural law justifies the feels vs reals crap that makes up their ethics? None, the inverse is definitely spirit of the people liberalism.

>> No.16033726

>>16033715
That part was proved wrong with the first WW. After which was replaced by realism in international politics and has nothing to do with "modern day liberalism"

>> No.16033729

>>16033695
It also accounts for the 60's. In fact I've heard it referenced by its contemporaries as that.

>> No.16033731

>>16033722
>Modern day liberalism like the progressives in the past decade is Rousseauian.
This is very inaccurate

>> No.16033739

>>16033731
Reply to it, you just restated. You can't put their liberalism in Lockean form. There's only one other form.

>> No.16033757

German politics and law have a hardon for Kant's ethics.

>> No.16033766

>>16033731
Perhaps you're reading it as an influence. I think liberalism necessarily pivots on those two positions regardless of whether there was ever a Rousseau, there will necessarily be one in the liberal framework. I'm saying that the past decade is feels > reals liberalism. There is absolutely no appeal to natural law in fact they disown it.

>> No.16033768

Yeah. Although more of a neoliberal.

>> No.16033773

>>16033766
>feels > reals liberalism
Americans should be banned from 4chan

>> No.16033779

>>16033773
It's our world you're just living in it. There are no states established in kant's name and on top of that it isn't distinguishable as a separate liberalism.

>> No.16033785

>>16033779
At least you answered OP's question half right

>> No.16033787

>>16033773
Sucks being on American website huhh? Do you appreciate our americanisms which have become the de facto internet language? Hmmm

>> No.16033792

>>16033613
No, that award goes to Socrates.

>> No.16033795

>>16033785
I haven't heard one rebuttal to my points and I haven't heard one point for theirs in Kant while I've been writing. The issue is on the other interlocutor/s for sniffing their own farts.

>> No.16033800

>>16033792
Hi neetchtard.

>> No.16033801

>>16033787
seethe burger

>> No.16033807

>>16033801
Are you at least Anglo or have you been so far cucked you've had to learn our language just to be able to say this?

>> No.16033811

>>16033800
Hi regulartard

>> No.16033816

>>16033801
Indeed, seethe non-center-of-the-world person. We're colonizing the stars as well. You won't receive a warm welcome unless you're from North America.

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16033818

>Are you at least Anglo or have you been so far cucked you've had to learn our language just to be able to say this?

>> No.16033830

>>16033818
Great way to kill your own thread and to make a mockery of your attempt at it.

>> No.16033836

>>16033613
Kant wasn’t a libertarian. He was authoritative and believe in the importance of government meddling and an objective moral system. The only different was he wanted to establish religious law with secular law

>> No.16033854

>>16033830
bro reals over feels 24/7
nuffin personnel kid

>> No.16033859

>>16033854
I can only say you haven't made a single point in your defence of Kant as being this forebearer. I don't even know what the point of the thread was if you just wanted your opinion jerked off over.

>> No.16033866

>>16033859
yeah bro you got me i guess

>> No.16033873

>>16033866
You can kinda save it with an opinion. Not every conversation has to be win or death. I would've enjoyed learning more about applied kantian liberalism. Instead you became an ameriphobe.

>> No.16033887

>>16033873
nah bro
burgers are just too sensitive
ameriphobe lmao
go back to twitter nigger

>> No.16033896

>>16033887
I guess if that's the only win you can get from this. I'd recommend not posting anymore as you clearly don't have the ability to host a discussion.

>> No.16033899

>>16033896
yeah bro
feels over reals 100%

>> No.16033958

Kant absolutely crushes materialism in the Critique of Pure Reason.

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>>16033613
No, it's this fat fuck
>Rejection of hierarchy
>Rejection of tradition
>Subjectivism
>Civil Disobedience
>Egalitarian (Priesthood of believers)
>Denies transubstantiation, thus beginning the long custom of seeing things not as divine but merely material and symbolic
The worst part of all his autism is that his inferior form of Christianity has either turned people away from the Church or bastardized it so strongly that you have fags and females giving mass.

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>>16034340
This. Also pic related.