Is philosophy just a big cope?

[Anonymous No.16026975]

Like, for real.
It's basically a bunch of mental gymnastics that's supposed to make us feel better about ourselves.

How do you guys deal with this sentiment?

>pic unrelated

[Anonymous No.16026993]

>>16026975
Nigga don't read just coom, that's all I have to do, whenever i feel sad or anxious I just stroke my dick

[Anonymous No.16027000]

>>16026975
>Not using philosophy to weaponize your spirit to further your materialistic interests

ngmi

[Anonymous No.16027001]

Yes. Philosophy is alienation. Hindus understood it. Parmenides understood it. Christ understood it. Marx understood it. Heidegger understood it. Debord understood it. Camatte as well, and now it's Kaczynski. Civilization is the negation of Being.

Kaczynski is the greatest anti-intellectual of our time.

[Anonymous No.16027029]

>>16026975
>It's basically a bunch of mental gymnastics that's supposed to make us feel better about ourselves.

Yes

[Anonymous No.16027051]

>>16026975
I've seen it as mental gymnastics to inspire us to another approach or perspective, plus a logical framework for our value systems and the likes.

Most of the shit won't make you feel better about yourself, for that you should read about practical things like psychology.

[Anonymous No.16027063]

>>16027051
Recommending psychology on a Kaczynsky thread. lol.

>la science qui se présent à l’heure actuelle comme étant recherche de mécanisme adaptatifs (accommodation, intégration) des êtres humains et de la nature au MPC
https://www.marxists.org/archive/camatte/agdom.htm

[Anonymous No.16027067]

Is mathematics just a big cope? Is learning arithmetics or geometry only useful to feel better?

[Anonymous No.16027127]

>>16026993
But cooming is a cope too.
And it doesn't help that you're reminded how much better it could be if only you were more powerful and wilful.

>>16027000
Nice trips. Pls elaborate

>>16027001
>Civilization is the negation of Being.
This, too, is just a cope. You just suck at manipulating civilization towards your own ends - doesn't mean it's the negation of """Being""" or whatever the fuck you're trying to say. Even in civilization, you "are". God I hate phenomenologists.

>>16027051
>I've seen it as mental gymnastics to inspire us to another approach or perspective, plus a logical framework for our value systems and the likes.
Yeah, but all that shit is either supposed to make you change your opinion on stuff ("gee I'm not doing what I want BUT IT'S OKAY BECAUSE YADA YADA") or just serve as a mental masturbatory ritual that makes you feel as if you're "enlightened", and gives you a temporary feeling of superiority over others.

>>16027067
>Is mathematics just a big cope? Is learning arithmetics or geometry only useful to feel better?
No, but arithmetics and geometry can be used to make shit in the real world happen. It makes us more powerful by giving us better tools for manipulating reality.

Are you saying that's the point of philosophy as well? Well, what kind of "tools" does philosophy give us to cope with life?
All that rational mumbo-jumbo literally doesn't change anything in your life. Or does it?
Why didn't it change anything in my life?

[Anonymous No.16027145]

>>16027127
Philosophy (ancient, church or modern) vastly changed the world, so it is useful to change the world to your liking (or fight others changing it).

[Anonymous No.16027147]

>>16027127
>I'm not doing what I want BUT IT'S OKAY
No, it's not fucking okay. Why wouldn't you do what you want?

[Anonymous No.16027154]

>cope
>verb
>to deal successfully with a difficult situation

[Anonymous No.16027163]

>>16027127
>Nice trips. Pls elaborate

I negate what I am to become what I need to be to get more status/fame/power in society

[Anonymous No.16027176]

>>16027147
>No, it's not fucking okay. Why wouldn't you do what you want?
Good question, let me trace back for a moment.

Let's say you are a human being, an ordinary young adult male browsing 4chan in his free time. You wanna do shit, like, make stuff happen, talk to people, organize stuff, go outside idk. But you don't do shit, because you've been this person for as long as you remember - you can rationally realize that life doesn't have to be like this, but the rational realizations don't really help at all because it's all the fucking same. You wake up, go to work, avoid people, get tired of the routine and go back home. Getting out of the house takes effort, communicating with other people takes effort, getting a girl to fuck takes effort, keeping calm and *enjoying* the very sexual intercourse takes effort, everything takes effort.

How the fuck does philosophy help you with any of it?

And let's be honest, it's usually fucked up people who have a lot of internal bullshit that get drawn to philosophy.
It takes a lot of disappointment and insight on negative shit in your life in order to get suspicious enough to start questioning reality itself.

[Anonymous No.16027188]

>>16027154
>>cope
>>verb
>>to deal successfully with a difficult situation
I'm using the word "cope" in the 4chan context:

>cope
>verb
>deluding yourself and/or engaging in filtered thoughts about a difficult situation in order to avoid having to experience pain of reality

>>16027163
>I negate what I am to become what I need to be to get more status/fame/power in society
What does this mean?

[Anonymous No.16027192]

>>16027176
I want to understand how the world is built. Philosophy studies that on the most abstract level. Also since successful people study in universities which include philosophy courses, it must help them to achieve success.

[Anonymous No.16027194]

OP is a stupid nigger, who hasn't read a book in his life.

[Anonymous No.16027199]

>>16027188
If that "cope" helps me to avoid pain, then it is good. If it does it not only temporary, then it's great.

[Anonymous No.16027200]

>>16027188
>>I negate what I am to become what I need to be to get more status/fame/power in society
>What does this mean?

Read Hegel

[Anonymous No.16027203]

Cope is such a stupid meme word.
Can someone give an example of a what would NOT be cope philosophy.
It seems you could literally call everything but food and water a cope, based upon some of the responses in this thread.

[Anonymous No.16027207]

>>16026975
>that's supposed to make us feel better about ourselves.
This is wrong and obviously you don't understand much philosophy if you think this.

[Anonymous No.16027210]

>>16026975
Could you tell me what in the world doesn't count as cope? Even eating counts as cope. Living another day counts as cope. What the hell doesn't count as cope?
>is x just a big cope?
These questions suck ass.

[Anonymous No.16027212]

Art is superior to philosophy, philosophy tries to explain things that can't be explained rationally with language. Even most critiques and explanations of art and music fall flat and are cringe

[Anonymous No.16027217]

>>16027210
>>16027203
these

[Anonymous No.16027239]

>>16027176
>How the fuck does philosophy help you with any of it?
Well, depending on the school of thought, it could give the last push do start doing things differently if the person doesn't want to die exhausted, thinking how life took too much effort. Or whatever else motivates others people. Bet one could also find something that supports the perspective that "things taking effort is something to pursue due giving more satisfaction when accomplishing them".

Though sure, in the end, no philosophy, therapy or other mental exercises can actually DO something. That's all up to us.

[Anonymous No.16027242]

>>16027127
>You just suck at manipulating civilization towards your own ends - doesn't mean it's the negation of """Being""" or whatever the fuck you're trying to say. Even in civilization, you "are".
You do realize that the philospher who came up with the concept of "manipulating civilization towards your own end" is the one who conceptualized civilization as the negation of Being?

Lol, you're not very bright. Nobody cares about your opinions by the way, there is no need to quote the entire thread in a narcissistic effort.

[Anonymous No.16027273]

>>16026975
It's more like a continuous match of verbal chess. Not to say that no value can be extracted from it, but it is, first and foremost, a dilettante pleasure for the elites.

Problem is, we have overproduction of elites right now (getting a philosophy PHD is easier than ever), which results in a huge amount of people who believe they should be on the top but can't due to the low value of their skills.

[Anonymous No.16027284]

>>16027194
Gee, that's mean, cuz. Why would you say such a thing to me?

>>16027199
But does not the awareness - that you're literally *engineering* your thoughts in order to escape the pain - make you feel even shittier? Does it not make you feel like an ostrich that is putting his head in the sand? Does it not make you feel humiliated that you actually *have* to do that?

>>16027200
fuck hegel

>>16027207
>>that's supposed to make us feel better about ourselves.
>This is wrong and obviously you don't understand much philosophy if you think this.
Oh yeah, right, I totally forgot. Philosophy is about """enlightment""". It's about """truth""".
Yeah, right. Whatever reason you have for reading philosophy, the end goal is *literally* to make you feel good about yourself. Give me a reason that isn't.

>>16027210
>>16027203
Okay, big brains.
Here's a definition:
>cope
>verb
>the act of presenting things to yourself from a specific perspective, done with the intent of lessening the mental pain of having experienced humiliation, because any other perspective is painful
>example:
>"well yeah my gf doesn't really like sucking dick, but I can't get any other girl because I'm socially retarded so it's the maxima of the set of my potential mates"

[Anonymous No.16027297]

>>16026975
Shall we invent the philosophy of the no-cope? Maybe even a new religion?

[Anonymous No.16027303]

>>16027284
>Okay, big brains. Here's a definition
That's a given dude. It still seems like basically everything counts as cope. We eat, we live another day, everything we do is to take our minds off pain and not succumb to death and annihilation.

[Anonymous No.16027315]

>>16027284
>Does it not make you feel like an ostrich that is putting his head in the sand?
But trying to examine the causes of your pain is the opposite. For example if you have a physical pain, examining the hurt part often helps to satiate the pain. Moreover, the process of finding the truth starts to feel good on its own. Same with philosophy, although it is about way more abstract trouble. Finding truth is a value on its own, and it often gives you additional benefits.

[Anonymous No.16027335]

>>16027284
>Give me a reason that isn't.
Philosophy often justifies hate, war, destruction, and death.

[Anonymous No.16027344]

>>16027176
>>16027127
Maybe philosophy is just not for you.
I, personaly, want to become a wise-men and that is why I study stuff.

[Anonymous No.16027358]

>>16027335
To counter that you need life-affirming or pacifist philosophy.

[Anonymous No.16027359]

>>16027273
Yea, I can relate to that.

[Anonymous No.16027410]

>>16027358
>To counter major aspects of life you need life affirming philosophy
no

[Anonymous No.16027449]

>>16026975
No, actually, your pic is very related.

Ted Kaczynski suffered from the exact same lacuna that you're suffering from. There are such things as ends-in-themselves, things worth doing for their own sake, and philosophy is among them. Kaczynski perversely reduced all ends-in-themselves to "surrogate activities", and, in a terribly underdeveloped and unconvincing point, claimed that they could never be fulfilling. Kaczynski was just as poisoned by modernity rationality, of construing of things only in terms of instrumental rationality as you are when you think of philosophy in terms of what it is supposed to do. Kaczynski did not fight the omnipresence of instrumental rationality, he wanted to limit its scope to primitive survival. That's why he is a painfully superficial thinker, and why anyone critical of technology and modernity is much better off reading Heidegger or even Adorno.

Philosophy is not supposed to do anything OP. "What is it good for?". It's not a fucking hammer mate. The same applies to art, regardless of the fact that more and more buglike plebs insist that it must have measurable "benefits", as if consciousness is an accountant's optimization game. Kierkegaard's term is kræmmersjæl. It translates to Peddler's soul.

Riddle me this: is happiness just a cope to make us feel better about ourselves? What does cope even mean? Why must it be presupposed that everyone is a sadfag?

[Anonymous No.16027467]

>>16027410
To counter philosophy justifying war you need pacifist philosophy.

[Anonymous No.16027474]

>>16026975
hey we had this thread yesterday

[Anonymous No.16027476]

>>16027449
That was very satisfying to read

[Anonymous No.16027550]

>>16027474
we have this thread every day for since the day 4chan was born

[Anonymous No.16027566]

>>16026975
everything is cope

[Anonymous No.16027574]

>>16027001
>Civilization is the negation of Being.
Meaningless word salad. Good job.

[Anonymous No.16027599]

>>16027449
Genuinely based.

[Anonymous No.16027608]

>>16027449
Superficial reading of Kaczynski. TK did not wish to limit the scope of rationality to primitive survival (we cannot predict the outcome of a revolution, anti-tech rev) he wished to limit the scope of rationality to the elaboration of a critique of revolutionary thought. You completely missed his point, obviously since you're an apologist of alienation. His works are deciduous outside the revolutionary appeal, unlike the judaic cosmogony of Christ and Marx proposed as the final all-encompassing alienating system, Kaczynski is the most radical intellectual of our times.

>Philosophy is not supposed to do anything
Disgusting. This is the essence of post-modernity and its paragon: psychiatry. The intellectual's way of saying "take your meds".

[Anonymous No.16027720]

>>16027608
>Disgusting. This is the essence of post-modernity and its paragon: psychiatry. The intellectual's way of saying "take your meds".
it's actually Aristotle, lmfao

[Anonymous No.16027767]

>>16027720
No it's actually Heraclitus and Parmenides. lmfao. But then, there is no need to namedrop anyone: the first person to articulate this thought is by essence the first philosopher.

[Anonymous No.16027786]

>>16027467
Pacifist philosophy is aimed at making one feel better about oneself, but not all philosophy is pacifist philosophy.

[Anonymous No.16027848]

>>16027608
>muh alienation
Ted is an inartistic and autistic little nobody who didn't understand why everyone around him was having a good time. He's not a radical thinker, he's a shallow one.

[Anonymous No.16027914]

>>16027786
Philosophers usually don't just keep things in their minds, but argue about them and promote them.
>but not all philosophy is pacifist philosophy.
That's because some people consider war good or useful and promote their philosophy instead.

[Anonymous No.16027953]

>>16027001
I dont think hes an anti-intelectual. I think what happened is that he witnessed the symptoms of the age of Kali Yuga like Evola did except Kazynski did not have the same metaphysical or spiritual understanding of the deeper nature of the problem and assumed that mans hubris lead to creating a system that was consuming him and the system was self perpetuating.

Kazynski diagnosed the symptoms correctly but unfortunately even in his genius he made mistakes because he was brought up by that same system and thus was never exposed to certain things that would allow him to understand that the technological excess and dissolution of traditional good/order in the world were intended and forseen consequences by the Illuminati.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvtWDIZtrAE&t=5147s

Evola's response is that the dissolution/degeneration of our time was a natural process of the universe and trying to fight against it would be almost retarded unless you were some sort of superhuman god.

[Anonymous No.16027963]

>ill-defined premise, unable to frame a discussion without vague meme words. thread shouldn't have even received multiple replies
>some autist weighs in with incoherent, abrasive word salad
>queue some not-even-freshmen-tier pontificating, everybody talking past each other

what have you all done to this board?

[Anonymous No.16027975]

>>16027963
/lit/ was never good.

[Anonymous No.16027978]

>>16027914
You are right for the most part, but you aren't very familiar with the psychological type that the philosopher often is. Philosophers often live very destitute lives, especially since the collapse of ancient Greece and Rome. They philosophize at their own expense. They fail to make a decent living and fail to maintain their relationships. Instead, what motivates them is an agitation of contradictory forces inside themselves, which leads them to conceive of a different state of existence, one that is not necessarily more comfortable.

[Anonymous No.16027987]

>cope
more like a coup

[Anonymous No.16028076]

>>16027344
>I, personaly, want to become a wise-men and that is why I study stuff.
Ye, because probably your parents raised you as "that gifted kid" and made you feel good about yourself whenever you were the smartest kid, and made you feel like shit when you were stupid as fuck

[Anonymous No.16028154]

>>16028076
Feral child posting!

[Anonymous No.16028476]

>>16028154
>haha look at me im above childhood

[Anonymous No.16028555]

>>16026975
Philosophy is a means to an end. If you have an end it is useful, if you do not have an end it is useless

You can't argue against this

[Anonymous No.16029533]

>>16028555
I have an end, I wanna be as successful and powerful in this world as I can. I wanna be so fucking powerful I can just relax and not give a shit about anything because everything is so fucking great.

How can philosophy help me with that?