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[Anonymous No.16022492]

In aesthetics, and especially in architecture, beauty has taken a back seat in favor of utilitarianism or social critique. In some cases, people even find a focus on beauty to be vulgar, or pseudo-fascist (as is the case for some feminists).
Why has beauty fallen out of favor as something so important? Are there any books that deal with this? The only one i can think of is Roger Scruton.

[Anonymous No.16022503]

capitalism

[Anonymous No.16022515]

>>16022503
Communist states as well as communist sympathizers in the West are probably the worst offenders of this, so that isnt the cause.

[Anonymous No.16022525]

diotima's children

[Anonymous No.16022534]

>>16022525
Looks good, can you give any more info or a review on it?

[Anonymous No.16022613]

>>16022492
lol dude wat. Have you literally ever taken an art history class?

I mean.. utilitarianism in architecture ended with the Bauhaus/modernism. Now its all starchitecture and crazy buildings. Have you ever heard of Frank Gehry or the Bilbao Effect.

Beauty is socially constructed concept. It has changed numerous times thoughout history. Plato's concepts are entirely different than our own.

[Anonymous No.16022687]

>>16022613
Reddit spacing detected, everyone beware. This is a redditor with reddit opinions.

[Anonymous No.16022726]

>>16022492
jesus christ i didn't know their jaws were that powerful

[Anonymous No.16022731]

>>16022726
Apparently theyre really chill in captivity, but yeah i still wouldnt want that job.

[Anonymous No.16022750]

>>16022613
Shut the fuck up retard, lol.

[Anonymous No.16022806]

>>16022687
not him but shut the fuck up
"reddit spacing" what the fuck are you talking about

cringe based reddit reddit cringe based fucking come up with an original thought

[Anonymous No.16022830]

>>16022613
Your conception of art isn't based on reality.

[Anonymous No.16022852]

>>16022492
Why does that thing just stay there letting him brush his teeth, does it feel good to them?

[Anonymous No.16023022]

>>16022852
They like having their teeth cleaned by birds and fish in the wild but in zoos they bribe them with fruit.

[Anonymous No.16023209]

>>16022492
Beauty is transcendent and leads to the divine. It brings with it the contrast of ugly. It highlights both what is enough and everything else that is unworthy. It is rejected today because we are being manipulated into thinking everything is equal and nothing is better than anything else. People are scared of beauty because it shows how ugly they are and instead of changing for the better they would rather pretty it doesn't exist or that it isn't of value

[Z No.16023310]

>>16023209
This

[Anonymous No.16023449]

>>16022687
>le reddit spacing
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[Anonymous No.16023485]

>>16022492
Jews do this deliberately to destroy social cohesion.

[Anonymous No.16023494]

>>16022852
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[Anonymous No.16023516]

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[Anonymous No.16023570]

>>16022613
>Beauty is socially constructed
Based.

[Anonymous No.16023635]

>>16022492
>Why has beauty fallen out of favor as something so important?
The technological mindset only cares for practicality

[Anonymous No.16024080]

>>16022806
>doesnt know what reddit spacing
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[Anonymous No.16024085]

This is now an architecture bred

[Anonymous No.16024087]

[Anonymous No.16024101]

I don't agree with your premise

[Anonymous No.16024106]

I only read the history part of this book and i enjoyed it. Covers a narrow range of architectural styles in its history, mostly focusing on the architecture of western civilisation as well as paleolithic, ancient egyptian, ancient greek, and roman, but still good.

[Anonymous No.16024118]

>>16024101
what dont you agree with? modernist architecture is focused on functionalism by definition

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[Anonymous No.16024154]

>>16024118
well, I don't think that functionalism is the defining trait of modern architecture so much as dirt-cheap economical production is

I don't think "beauty" is what people find to be vulgar

and I don't think "beauty" has fallen out of favour

Beauty is a constantly shifting ideal and it has always been sought after. You could take any point in history, look at their idea of beauty, identify the preceding incompatible ideal of beauty, and ask why beauty had fallen out of favour. That exercise would be every bit as valid as this.

[Anonymous No.16024253]

>>16024154
Functionalism is literally the defining trait of modern architecture and i think you may be the first person on this good green earth to ever suggest otherwise. "form follows function" im not kidding look it up. But you are right, its not that beauty has fallen out people's favour, its that beauty has largely fallen out of favour in the architectural world.

As for beauty, don't start talking like these pseuds who try and act like what is considered "beautiful" at any given time is completely arbritary. Of course, there will always be variation from culture to culture as humans evolved to conform to their environments, but only around a specific fixed point. Across cultures a painting of a large lake with greenery and so on (what we would consider scenic) is considered beautiful and only the minor details are different, there is literally a science to facial beauty which once again remains consistent throughout cultures (with again, minor variations in detail). And even then, culture is just downstream to genetics, they aren't plucked out of thin air, they are reactions to the environment around them. So no, beautyisnt completely plastic.

[Anonymous No.16024339]

>>16024253
so here I can't tell if you're trying some sleight because taking the example you've chosen
>Across cultures a painting of a large lake with greenery and so on (what we would consider scenic) is considered beautiful and only the minor details are different
I absolutely don't think a single goddamn "modern person" or whatever would tell you that it's not beautiful, my point when I say it hasn't fallen out of favour.

And when people design and describe impressive buildings constructed they are certainly espousing their beauty

when people decorate etc they find it beautiful. Nobody is making any of these things with the intent that they be ugly, you just find them ugly. You find them ugly in comparison to other things. Those other things have a unifying theme.

[Anonymous No.16024566]

>>16024118
Modernist architecture lasted from roughly 1880 to 1980.
We've had at least 40 years of non modernist architecture at this point.

[Anonymous No.16024574]

>>16022830
what?

[Anonymous No.16024860]

>>16022613
cope

[Anonymous No.16024869]

>>16022806
>come up with an original thought
Why? These old thoughts are serving me just fine.

[Anonymous No.16025001]

>>16024860
fake hair, fake nails, and she fat cuz she be eating that fake food

[Anonymous No.16025007]

>>16024860
she, of course, was not brainwashed.

[Anonymous No.16025035]

>>16022806
why are you fuming so much? he was right.

[Anonymous No.16025154]

subjectivity
capitalism