Perennial Traditionalism vs Magical Idealism.

[Anonymous No.15983358]

Are contemplation and action equal paths to transcendence?

[Anonymous No.15983379]

No. Evola is counter-traditional. The entire basis of tradition is the upholding of the priest above the warrior, it's the core hierarchical and organizational principle of traditional society. Modernity stems from the rejection of said principle, the inversion of hierarchy. Hence the juxtaposition of Guénon and Evola is aberrant. Another parodic reenactment of our times.

[Anonymous No.15983423]

>>15983379
>The entire basis of tradition is the upholding of the priest above the warrior
This isn't true though.
First there is no "basis" to Traditionalism in the way you're using it.
Second, both Evola and Guenon pointed out that the priest warrior caste was a sign of a fall from a Golden Age. In the Traditional caste system the warrior and priestly functions were the same caste.

[Anonymous No.15983450]

>>15983379
>>15983423
I think my biggest question is whether meditation & piety or acts of political violence & & physicality bring an individual closer to transcendence in 2020.

[Anonymous No.15983491]

>>15983358
Different types of transcendence anon. Question is, do you want symbolic (political, philosophical, cultural) immortality, or actual immortality. The former is sought by many, the later isn't even believed to exist by most people.

In short, you obviously need both but it is your focus on one over the other which determines your path.

[Anonymous No.15983542]

>>15983491
I prefer actual immorality and presume contemplation is the path to this. Do you feel different?

[Anonymous No.15983652]

>>15983491
>>15983542

Go back to /x/

[Anonymous No.15983665]

>>15983652
>Go back to /x/

[Anonymous No.15983861]

>>15983652
Seethe

>>15983542
Not exactly. But a distinction has to be made again. Just as there is a difference between symbolic and actual immortality, within actual immortality there is another dichotomy. Do you seek physical, à la sorcerer's stone, type immortality, or spiritual/mental à la ascended master ? It is said, for example but there are many, that the demon Asmodeus was once a persian magi who amassed so much power/knowledge/wisdom that on his death he ascended into a pantheon and found entry into grimoires and religions as a deific force. This would be spiritual immortality, the path to which is similar to the buddhist idea of kaivalya. Then again you can also aim for samadhi which would be annihilation/unification with source. Both of these are spiritual in nature. However, you could also aim for physical immortality. In that regard it's a question of how much you value your physical body.

As to the question of action vs contemplation: contemplation probably gets you further (ignoring the fact that contemplation itself is an action) since it makes you both less involved in mundane distraction and more capable of avoiding distraction. It is the freedom of detachment. Action on the other hand gives you the freedom of confidence, freedom from anxiety.

[Anonymous No.15984153]

>>15983358
The path of action is the indirect path to God whereas the path of knowledge is the direct path to God. Some people have a natural disposition for one or the other.

[Anonymous No.15984164]

>>15984153
>What do I have a disposition for? It's all so hard.

[Anonymous No.15984222]

Does Guenon try to establish the same unified worldview like Evola does. Or is he mostly concerned with pointing out connections?

[Anonymous No.15984227]

>>15983379
Wrong. Evola disagreed with Guenon's division of the priest form the warrior. Rather than elevating the warrior above the priest, Evola viewed the highest caste as the warrior-priest, the combination of the white and the red. Been a long time since I read Evola but iirc this is best explained in the Metaphysics of War, and the Hermetic Tradition.

[Anonymous No.15984241]

>>15983450
Actions which venerate the spirit and that "which ought to be done" above the body and it's desires leads upward. That's why it's called transcendence. Even something as simple as not making "chemical" decisions (such as not eating garbage) can be baby steps in the right direction.

[Anonymous No.15984503]

>>15984227
Charles Upton recently made a video on the subject and said a similar thing, but criticizing Evola and Nietzsche for claiming that priests are servile and effeminate, which I don't think they did.

[Anonymous No.15984646]

>>15984241
I've been thinking if there is a practical way to apply the whole of action vs contemplation to contemporary, 21st century life. This is what i'm coming up with.

Hard Contemplation are actions of a restorative nature which are inward.
>reading
>meditation
>devotions
>asceticism
Soft Contemplation are actions of a restorative nature which are of a passive character.
>Exoteric Religiosity such as the sacraments,
>artistic pursuits such as painting, poetry, and writing.
>conforming your personality and character to the 7 virtues of humility, kindness, patience, diligence, charity, temperance, and chastity
>relaxing experiences with nature such as walking, fishing, gardening etc.

Soft Actions are restorative actions which involve outward physicality and projecting yourself unto the world in a personal way.
>athleticism, sports, calisthenics and fitness
>harsher experiences with nature such as hiking, hunting, swimming in the ocean etc
>mundane activism towards a higher cause.
>general goal-oriented behavior in your social, professional, private life.
Hard Actions are violent physicality of a restorative nature which projects yourself unto the world in a collective sense.
>fighting in wars, or in violence-ridden disputes
>vigilante justice
>acts of political violence for a higher cause
>willing martyrdom

[Anonymous No.15984700]

>>15984646
Not bad, Anon.

[Anonymous No.15985012]

>>15984503
link?

[Anonymous No.15986006]

>>15984646
I'd put reading in soft contemplation unless you're reading some high level shit that requires both a lot of knowledge and skill of insight to understand.

[Anonymous No.15986350]

>>15986006
noted. Maybe switch "reading" with "exoteric religiosity" on the hard vs soft contemplation qualification.