/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.15978026]

How would you summarise Das Kapital in a nutshell, /lit/?

[Anonymous No.15978069]

why are mods forcing this shit so hard?

[Anonymous No.15978098]

>gib me dat
>literally gets money from the government to play with his rockets

[Anonymous No.15978151]

Elon musk is a real nutjob. That aside, who wants to bet he has not even read it? This crayon-eater gives off the exact same energy as Pewdiepie.

[Anonymous No.15978153]

>>15978026
>Why tha fuck everything gotta cost money

[Anonymous No.15978179]

>>15978026
I love that pol now loves reddit and glownigs.

[Anonymous No.15978197]

Imagine having sympathy for poor people and their failed life choices. Burger flippers don’t deserve $15. Sorry you didn’t finish high school, loser.

[Anonymous No.15978231]

It isn't true of Marx, but it is true of most non-academics who refer to themselves as Marxists.

[Anonymous No.15978298]

>this tweet is actually real

Wtf I love MuskMan now. But yeah that's a pretty succinct summary. Capital is still worth a read nonetheless. So many pseuds these days read a Wikipedia summary or, worse, some publication's """article""" and then think they're authoritative experts on high-level subjects like economic systems.

It makes me really happy knowing there are probably thousands of faggy college kids getting absolutely assblasted at this tweet's existence.

[Anonymous No.15978311]

>>15978197
But...what about their feelings?

[Anonymous No.15978312]

No one actually reads this gay shit lmao

[Anonymous No.15978329]

>>15978026
Time is money.

[Anonymous No.15978350]

>>15978329
Bastard

[Anonymous No.15978357]

>>15978197
>>15978298
Based

[Anonymous No.15978375]

>>15978357
>When you're such a retarded assblasted commie you set up a strawman that probably isn't true
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[Anonymous No.15978400]

>>15978179
the literal mission statement of /pol/ is to have more shit to consoom that panders to them. they're not hypocrites.

[Anonymous No.15978407]

>>15978400

[Anonymous No.15978415]

>>15978407
cope

[Anonymous No.15978443]

>>15978026

[Anonymous No.15978447]

Pretty funny tweet considering 2/3s of Elon's wealth comes from government subsidy. I guess Elon is a commie.

[Anonymous No.15978451]

>>15978026
no, how would you describe the starry night and why it is good? it's imposible

[Anonymous No.15978456]

>>15978415

[Anonymous No.15978466]

>>15978197
They'll be in charge after the revolution to put midwits like you in their place.

[Anonymous No.15978482]

>>15978466
>Burger flipper communist utopia

[Anonymous No.15978487]

>>15978456
>oh marxists have so much money, what hypocrites
>oh leftists have so little money they are just jealous

[Anonymous No.15978496]

>>15978482
They are the low IQ placed in charge by the high IQ to take care of the midwit problem.

[Anonymous No.15978527]

Tf how no one tell me elon musk is based

[Anonymous No.15978536]

>>15978527
This isn't based.

[Anonymous No.15978550]

>>15978527
Yea it seems he is aware that he is a living and walking meme.

[Anonymous No.15978555]

>>15978375
hi ptg.

[Anonymous No.15978567]

>>15978151
>That aside, who wants to bet he has not even read it?
Why would he?
Why would anyone?
History already proved him wrong about everything.
It would be like taking a doomsday cult seriously, when their prediction for the end of the world already came and went.

[Anonymous No.15978578]

>>15978456
This is the image of capitalist, aka right wing, libertarians. Every /pol/ mongrel should be executed.

[Anonymous No.15978687]

>>15978197
Why do you guys act as if you care about the average white person?
Clearly none of you do. You whinge about political correctness and immigration, claiming they're running the white race and putting the blame on leftists college professors - yet you refuse to even help the working class whites. Are you really just that stupid?

[Anonymous No.15978705]

>>15978026
>dumb twitter and youtube leftoid commies talk about das kapital, never read it
>rightoids talk about it, never read it

[Anonymous No.15978818]

>>15978026
from the best according to their ability
to the worst according to their need

[Anonymous No.15979002]

>you know when da boss steals half yo wages? das kapital, das kapital rite there.

[Anonymous No.15979011]

>>15979002
just start a company lmfao

[Anonymous No.15979081]

Kind of hypocritical that Musk tweeted this after he got finished bragging about toppling the Evo Morales government because he wanted preferential access to Bolivia’s lithium.

[Anonymous No.15979090]

>>15978687
Based

[Anonymous No.15979103]

>>15978026
A commodity is an external object that satisfies a human need either directly or indirectly. Marx says that useful things can be looked at from the point of view of quality and quantity. They have many attributes and can therefore be used in many ways. He uses the term use-value in relation to commodities' quality. "The usefulness of a thing makes it a use-value." A commodity's use-value is a trait of the thing itself, and is independent of the amount of labor needed to make the commodity useful.

Exchange-value is the proportion by which use-values of one kind exchange for use-values of other kinds. It is a constantly changing relation, and is not inherent to the object. For example, corn and iron have an exchange relation, which means that a certain amount of corn equals a certain amount of iron. Each must therefore equal a third common element, and can be reduced to this thing. The common element cannot be a natural property of the commodity, but rather must be abstracted away from its use-value. Discarding use-values, only one property remains—the commodities are the products of abstract human labor. They are "congealed quantities of homogenous human labor." This common factor in the exchange-value of the commodity is its value.

Thus, a use-value only has exchange-value when it consists of abstract human labor. This is measured by the amount of labor-time socially necessary to produce it. A commodity's value would stay constant if the labor-time also stayed constant. With greater productivity, it takes less labor to produce a commodity, and thus, less labor is "crystallized" in the product, leading to a decrease in value. "The value of a commodity, therefore, varies directly as the quantity, and inversely as the productivity, of the labor which finds its realization within the commodity." Something can be a use-value without being a value. This occurs when something's usefulness is not produced through labor. However, nothing can be a value without also being a use-value; if something is useless, so is the labor contained in it.

That's just a summary of some aspects of section 1 of chapter 1 of part 1.

[Anonymous No.15979158]

>>15978098
you know the government is a business right? they pay contractors like everyone else.

how is that similar to a free hand out?

[Anonymous No.15979258]

>>15978687
This is /pol/ in a nutshell

[Anonymous No.15979262]

>>15978555
>Everyone I don't like is a Trump Supporter
Communists are literally retarded

[Anonymous No.15979270]

>>15978687
Only a subset of /pol/ is libertarian/pro-capitalist, probably a minority

[Anonymous No.15979295]

>>15979270
Lmao. Voting for rightwing politicians is just voting for more capitalism. There's nothing else to it.

[Anonymous No.15979307]

>>15979103
Sounds pretty retarded tbph.

[Anonymous No.15979311]

>>15978399
Yeah in every state there is a place with high rent, your point?

[Anonymous No.15979315]

>>15979295
Go form your KPD then. Don't google what happened to them.

[Anonymous No.15979328]

>>15979311
Read it again, brainlet.

[Anonymous No.15979341]

>>15979307
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2X3Rqo6JVmg

[Anonymous No.15979364]

>>15979341
Why do you think anyone is going to click on youtube links here?

[Anonymous No.15979407]

In Das Kapital, Marx proposes that the motivating force of capitalism is in the exploitation of labor, whose unpaid work is the ultimate source of surplus value. The owner of the means of production is able to claim the right to this surplus value because he or she is legally protected by the ruling regime through property rights and the legally established distribution of shares which are by law distributed only to company owners and their board members. The historical section shows how these rights were acquired in the first place chiefly through plunder and conquest and the activity of the merchant and "middle-man". In producing capital (produced goods), the workers continually reproduce the economic conditions by which they labour. Das Kapital proposes an explanation of the "laws of motion" of the capitalist economic system from its origins to its future by describing the dynamics of the accumulation of capital, the growth of wage labour, the transformation of the workplace, the concentration of capital, commercial competition, the banking system, the decline of the profit rate, land-rents, et cetera. The critique of the political economy of capitalism proposes:
>Wage-labour is the basic "cell-form" (trade unit) of a capitalist society. Moreover, because commerce as a human activity implied no morality beyond that required to buy and sell goods and services, the growth of the market system made discrete entities of the economic, the moral and the legal spheres of human activity in society; hence, subjective moral value is separate from objective economic value. Subsequently, political economy—the just distribution of wealth and "political arithmetick" about taxes—became three discrete fields of human activity, namely economics, law and ethics, politics and economics divorced.
>"The economic formation of society [is] a process of natural history". Thus, it is possible for a political economist to objectively study the scientific laws of capitalism, given that its expansion of the market system of commerce had objectified human economic relations. The use of money (cash nexus) voided religious and political illusions about its economic value and replaced them with commodity fetishism, the belief that an object (commodity) has inherent economic value. Because societal economic formation is a historical process, no one person could control or direct it, thereby creating a global complex of social connections among capitalists. The economic formation (individual commerce) of a society thus precedes the human administration of an economy (organised commerce).

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[Anonymous No.15979418]

>>15979407

>The structural contradictions of a capitalist economy (German: gegensätzliche Bewegung) describe the contradictory movement originating from the two-fold character of labour and so the class struggle between labour and capital, the wage labourer and the owner of the means of production. These capitalist economic contradictions operate "behind the backs" of the capitalists and the workers as a result of their activities and yet remain beyond their immediate perceptions as men and women and as social classes.
>The economic crises (recession, depression, et cetera) that are rooted in the contradictory character of the economic value of the commodity (cell-unit) of a capitalist society are the conditions that propitiate proletarian revolution—which The Communist Manifesto (1848) collectively identified as a weapon forged by the capitalists which the working class "turned against the bourgeoisie itself".
>In a capitalist economy, technological improvement and its consequent increased production augment the amount of material wealth (use value) in society while simultaneously diminishing the economic value of the same wealth, thereby diminishing the rate of profit—a paradox characteristic of economic crisis in a capitalist economy. "Poverty in the midst of plenty" consequent to over-production and under-consumption.

[Anonymous No.15979429]

>>15979158
He's not doing anything for them.

[Anonymous No.15979444]

>>15979407
>whose unpaid work is the ultimate source of surplus value.
You could have stopped here, because this is retarded.

[Anonymous No.15979448]

>>15978026
Based, marxshits seething

[Anonymous No.15979458]

>>15979158
the government isnt a business dumb retard

[Anonymous No.15979467]

>>15979444
You don't understand the sentence?

[Anonymous No.15979471]

>>15979467
I understand it fine, it's simply hilariously incorrect.

[Anonymous No.15979485]

>>15979471
If you think Marx is wrong you just haven't read h..oh wait nevermind.

[Anonymous No.15979522]

>>15979471
Then what is the ultimate source of surplus value

[Anonymous No.15979530]

>>15979485
It won't magically become true no matter how many times you reread it.
Value is a subjective quantity. It is impossible to quantify the value that any individual adds, which is why the employer and employee come to an agreement about how valuable they are.

[Anonymous No.15979543]

>>15979471
"Surplus value" is a translation of the German word "Mehrwert", which simply means value added (sales revenue less the cost of materials used up), and is cognate to English "more worth". Surplus-value is the difference between the amount raised through a sale of a product and the amount it cost to the owner of that product to manufacture it: i.e. the amount raised through sale of the product minus the cost of the materials, plant and labour power. It is a central concept in Karl Marx's critique of political economy. Conventionally, value-added is equal to the sum of gross wage income and gross profit income. However, Marx uses the term Mehrwert to describe the yield, profit or return on production capital invested, i.e. the amount of the increase in the value of capital. Hence, Marx's use of Mehrwert has always been translated as "surplus value", distinguishing it from "value-added". According to Marx's theory, surplus value is equal to the new value created by workers in excess of their own labor-cost, which is appropriated by the capitalist as profit when products are sold.

[Anonymous No.15979544]

>>15979530
This may be the dumbest post I've ever read.

[Anonymous No.15979566]

>>15979530
>It is impossible to quantify the value that any individual adds, which is why the employer and employee come to an agreement about how valuable they are.
Imagine writing that retarded sentence and thinking you made a point.

[Anonymous No.15979638]

>>15978026
Elon Musk hasn't read Das Kapital...

[Anonymous No.15979676]

>>15979544
>>15979566
You are mentally challenged and should fucking kill yourselves.

Absolute imbeciles.

It's 2020 and you don't even grasp basic economics that you learn in 6th grade.

[Anonymous No.15979680]

I genuinely cannot put into terms the immense mobilization of resources it would take to fix black people.
So why are Marxists so in love with thirdworldism? There aren't enough resources on earth to educate and genetically engineer black people into baseline human and it would ultimately overwhelm and destroy the apparatus and governance structure in place that controls said marxist society.

[Anonymous No.15979699]

>>15979530
Read Das Kapital Vol.1 chapter on commodity fetishism. Particularly the passage were he explain why Robinson, on his island, attached more value to the items which took him more time to create. Let's say you are on a desert Island. Fetching some fruit takes you half an hour. Fishing takes you 2 hours. Building a cabin would take many days of hard work. If your cabin is destroyed, you will get psychologically way more devastated than if a bird steal your fish. Why is that? Because labor time it contain is way more important, therefore it's value is way more important.
Commodity fetishism is basically something religious, making people believe that value is detached from human work, that it has it's own existence, completely separated from human work.

[Anonymous No.15979712]

>>15979680
>why are Marxists so in love with thirdworldism?
What the fuck are you talking about?

[Anonymous No.15979719]

>>15979522
There is no "ultimate source" retard.
There's an infinite number of ways to increase profit.

[Anonymous No.15979720]

>>15979699
It's not fetishism in the slightest because things can provide disproportionate utility to the labor require to access those resources.

For example, a sap collector takes all of 5 minutes to set up and will feed me more reliably than 200 rabbit traps

[Anonymous No.15979727]

>>15979680
Thirdies are often romanticized as the ultimate revolutionary subject as they suffer the most from capitialism currently so they have the most to gain from socialism is my guess.

[Anonymous No.15979746]

>>15979699
I fail to see how that's relevant in any way whatsoever.
The only important aspect is the agreed upon value.

[Anonymous No.15979793]

>>15979746
Yes, and the agreed upon value is based on the time and resources (read:labor) which are required to bring the good/service/commodity into existence. The negotiation of the "value" begins with this understanding. How does this keep flying over your head

[Anonymous No.15979805]

>>15979793
No, it isnt.

[Anonymous No.15979833]

>>15978298
>But yeah that's a pretty succinct summary. Capital is still worth a read nonetheless.

I'd wager all my alienated labor that you've read max 2 pages of Capital Volume I

[Anonymous No.15979836]

>>15979793
Why are you trying to imply that resources equal labor?

There's many valuable things with high utility that take minimal labor to exploit.

[Anonymous No.15979841]

>>15979793
Jesus fucking christ please tell me this is bait.

How can you be so incredibly fucking retarded?

[Anonymous No.15979869]

I just finished reading Volume I with some friends of mine. Having actually read the whole thing, I'm convinced Marx is basically still right about most things written there. Does anyone actually want unironic explanations of concepts from Capital?