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Anonymous Mon Jul 27 17:04:13 2020 No.15976439 [Reply] [Original]

After being an atheist all my life as well as my family being non religious, I have slowly but surely formed a belief in God over the last 2 years. However, I cannot make myself believe the Christian teachings, and I’m leaning more towards the idea that God is all, we are all a part of God and there was no creation “out of nothing”, what is has always been. What texts line up most with this belief?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 17:05:12 2020 No.15976446 Bhagvad gita/vedic scripture

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 17:06:25 2020 No.15976458 >>15976439 Just read the Douay-Rheims Bible and you'll see why Christianity is correct

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 17:07:11 2020 No.15976462 >>15976446 This. Also read the greeks to get a better understanding of the metaphysics of creation.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 17:07:23 2020 No.15976463 >>15976439 Gnosticism.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 17:08:03 2020 No.15976468 >>15976463 GNOSTICISM IS PAGAN HERESY. YOU CANNOT HAVE THE SON WITHOUT THE FATHER.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 17:09:09 2020 No.15976477 >>15976468 Please stop

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 17:15:47 2020 No.15976542 >>15976439 >and there was no creation “out of nothing” What makes you think that?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 17:16:49 2020 No.15976556 >>15976468 this

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 17:19:41 2020 No.15976584 >>15976439 Seraphim Rose- Nihilism Innocent of Alaska- Indication of the Way into the Kingdom of Heaven Athanasius- On the Incarnation

Anonymous Mon Jul 27 17:20:19 2020 No.15976589

>>15976542
No real reason, it seems more logical to me than the universe being created by intelligent design. Rather that the universe and reality don’t conform to birth or death, and everything that exists has always existed. I’m open to change my mind though, I want to explore every possible idea

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 17:20:25 2020 No.15976591 >>15976439 You're inner struggle of an immanent, ever present God vs the existence of a transcendent external God is solved in the Trinity.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 17:21:22 2020 No.15976598 >>15976591 How?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 17:21:22 2020 No.15976599 >>15976439 Catholicism is not Christianity try Orthodoxy for the answers you seek

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 17:22:36 2020 No.15976609 >>15976439 That is literally Aham Brahmasmi (I am the Truth/God) and Tattavamasi (same concept) that you are talking about, so I think Upanishads might be a good fit for you. Or look into Deism, but I don't really know many works about that.

>>	jesus Mon Jul 27 17:23:47 2020 No.15976624 >>15976439 you are an idiot, anon. read carlos castaneda, all of it. you will still remain idiot, but with a seed that might once grow into some knowledge.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 17:24:33 2020 No.15976633 >>15976624 Why are you always rude? Why do you think I’m an idiot?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 17:24:38 2020 No.15976635 >>15976599 >The church that Jesus established and said that the gates of Hell shall not prevail against it is not Christianity lol

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 17:25:44 2020 No.15976650 File: 1.46 MB, 328x328, 1595379938239.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15976468 What's the problem? Christ is a spiritual being that is an emanation of the Great Illuminator (Father)

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 17:26:14 2020 No.15976653 >>15976635 >implying the catholic church wasn't founded in 1562 by Muhammad Nice try, anon, but your "logic" and "reason" are no match for schizophrenia. >>15976446 Throw in some Spinoza too. Also the Sufis. Get the memes really going.

>>	jesus Mon Jul 27 17:26:35 2020 No.15976658 >>15976599 you all stupid people are like deaf people who discuss music based on some ancient texts of those who were able to hear. infinite schizophrenia, boundless.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 17:28:03 2020 No.15976668 >>15976650 The FATHER is the CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE. The being the Jews CLAIM to worship, even though they hate him and everything he stands for by denying his one and only begotten Son

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 17:28:09 2020 No.15976669 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_wavefunction note: doesn't give you superpowers, afterlife, make free-will well-defined, explain qualia or tell why all this exists

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 17:28:09 2020 No.15976670 >>15976599 he didnt say anything about roman catholicism. you starting trouble like that when he's not even ready to accept the basics of Christianity wont bring anyone to Orthodoxy

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 17:29:47 2020 No.15976680 >>15976635 >the gates of Hell shall not prevail against it >many cardinals and high priests are pedo faggots and some buildings (like serpent hall) in vatican bear satanist symbolics

Anonymous Mon Jul 27 17:30:05 2020 No.15976682

>>15976598
God the Father, the transcendent person of God
God the Son, the immanent and human person of God.
The Spirit proceeds from the Father and the Son and is the person of God's will on Earth.
I'm not incredibly well versed on it and I'd recommend taking my word with a grain of salt and doing your own research on the Trinity.

jesus Mon Jul 27 17:31:09 2020 No.15976695

>>15976633
I don't think. I know. I am rude because truth is rude. it is because you all stupid people kiss each others asses you don't learn. ah yes, I have heard about western style of education, give only good marks to students in order not to offend their feelings. I have not come with peace, but with sword.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 17:31:57 2020 No.15976703 >>15976682 Then shut up and don't waste people time with your made up bullshit

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 17:32:38 2020 No.15976709 >>15976668 Yes. I agree. And so does gnostic scripture. The jews are worshipping Ialdabaoth (YHWH) the demiurge, false god and architect, and imprisoner of our divine spirits. Where do you think gnosticism contradicts yours views exactly?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 17:33:40 2020 No.15976715 >>15976670 Orthodox simps are always total assholes,

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 17:34:12 2020 No.15976722 >>15976695 Jesus you are edgy. I’m just curious in exploring spirituality anon, you don’t have to call everyone idiots. No one in making claims or being argumentative except the Christians in this thread

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 17:34:13 2020 No.15976723 >>15976439 >What texts line up most with this belief? book of retards

Anonymous Mon Jul 27 17:35:32 2020 No.15976730

>>15976680
Matthew 16:18
>And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
If you're right, then Jesus is a liar
>>15976709
The Jews CLAIM to worship YHWH (who is the one and only benevolent God) when really they hate him because they deny Jesus Christ, his one and only begotten Son

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 17:35:47 2020 No.15976732 >>15976650 You're committing the heresy of Docetism It has the same basic roots as Arianism insofar that it denies one aspect of Christ. Both are needed to truly understand God and the Trinity.

jesus Mon Jul 27 17:39:25 2020 No.15976756
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>>15976722
Idiot you are. I call you idiot to make a reset, so you discard your normie world view and start a journey of getting real knowledge, turning on infinite respect toward those who knew something, including jesus himself, carlos castaneda. but my previous incarnation was limited to language and concepts of that time, and teaching was perverted and censored countless times.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 17:41:02 2020 No.15976769 >>15976715 it's just people being overly zealous. I'd rather have them than the hyper-spiritual falsely humble types. It's good if they learn to control it a bit tho

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 17:41:05 2020 No.15976770 >>15976756 I have respect for men who had spiritual insight, but you seem to be nothing more than a bored shitposter. Anyone else thing I’m an idiot for making this thread or just this namefag?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 17:41:06 2020 No.15976771 >>15976439 >What is has always been But it obviously hasn't. What the fuck does this even mean?

jesus Mon Jul 27 17:43:12 2020 No.15976785
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>>15976770
you stupid degenerate even don't know what spiritual is. look at this boi, he is more spiritual than all christians combined.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 17:47:54 2020 No.15976834 >>15976732 >understand god >understand the trinity um

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 17:50:12 2020 No.15976856 >>15976834 >um when your mind is paralyzed by dialectics

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 17:52:23 2020 No.15976878 >>15976756 Stfu your so annoying holy shit just shut up

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 17:58:07 2020 No.15976938 >>15976589 What makes it seem more logical? It goes against science (Big Bang) and most religions. There isn't much left but outdated science.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 17:59:05 2020 No.15976953 >>15976624 >Carlos Castenada Why do you keep shilling him and tell us to read him without telling us who he is? At least tell us why you think he's important, faggot.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 17:59:58 2020 No.15976963 >>15976938 Nonsense.

Anonymous Mon Jul 27 18:01:32 2020 No.15976972

>>15976730
>Matthew 16:18
Jesus was referring to Peter’s rock-like faith being the foundation that would create the church i.e. the followers of Christ, not one specific church or denomination like the Catholics wrongly interpret this verse. Jesus said that the gates of hell would not prevail against faith in Christ, since ultimately there will be at least a minority of humanity who has chosen Christ in faith, and they are that church in which he spoke of in Matthew 18:20:

For where two or three gather in my name, there am I with them.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 18:02:21 2020 No.15976979 >>15976439 Christianity is jewish nonsense

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 18:02:38 2020 No.15976983 >>15976938 It doesn’t go against the Big Bang though

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 18:03:52 2020 No.15976998 >>15976983 the big bang is retarded lmao. jesuits up to their old tricks

Anonymous Mon Jul 27 18:04:36 2020 No.15977006

>>15976439
Sure, sure retarded amerimutt. You wen't to believing something being completely illogical and not backed by any sort of science completely fiction, to believing a ghost in the guy is real all of a sudden, so basically you thought you were athiest but you weren't really an atheist and it was more a trend for you or an acting out against something etc of course you will deny this and I will laugh at your nonsense more.

Anonymous Mon Jul 27 18:07:46 2020 No.15977036

>>15976589
>everything that exists has always existed
That would mean that universal concepts like the 2nd law of thermodynamics (ever-increasing entropy) has also always existed, going by that logical. But wait, if that were true, then that would mean that everything has always been in a perpetual state of decay since eternity, if the universe truly has existed for eternity. If that were the case, then all stars and all matter would have long ago decayed per the 2nd law of thermodynamics. Therefore, the universe had to have had a starting point of some kind.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 18:08:45 2020 No.15977050 >>15977006 imagine faking foreign accent in text

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 18:10:01 2020 No.15977068 >>15977006 Stop projecting, I don’t believe in a ghost in the sky, just an abstract malleable version of God and I want to explore different faiths. What the hell is wrong with you people? It’s not my fault none of my family was religious

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 18:14:46 2020 No.15977117 >>15977006 Please scientifically support your argument that every truth can be ascertained by science.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 27 18:44:22 2020 No.15977458 >>15976979 found the kike

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