Best Available The Art of War Translation?

[Anonymous No.15960780]

What's the best, easily findable translation/version of Sun Tzu - The Art of War?

[Anonymous No.15960859]

Is this worth reading?

[Anonymous No.15960922]

>>15960859
I heard it's very good, am just trying to pickout which one to buy though.
Or if it even really matters?

[Anonymous No.15960933]

>>15960780
Meme book

[Anonymous No.15960987]

I have a copy of the Penguin translation that has extensive commentary on the text. I’m no Sinologist but I am satisfied with it.

[Anonymous No.15960994]

>>15960780
Lionel Giles. First translation, remains most popular.

[Anonymous No.15961037]

>>15960994
Do you have a source on it being the most popular? I'm not seeing much about Lionel Giles, I keep seeing Thomas Cleary being the recommended translator. Not saying you're wrong, just curious?

[Anonymous No.15962589]

>>15960780
I have pic related the author literally made it gender neutral

[Anonymous No.15962660]

>>15960780
>>15960859
>>15960922
>>15960922
>>15960922
Why do you want to read it? Because people told you it was a classic?

[Anonymous No.15962752]

Favorite part of the book is when he herds two of every animal onto a boat, then proceeds to beat the crap out of every single one of them

[Anonymous No.15963198]

>>15962660
>Why do you want to read it? Because people told you it was a classic?
This whole sub summed up in one question

[Anonymous No.15963249]

I listened to the audiobook. It's not a bad or a hard read, also it takes 2 hours to read. If you care about chinese history ofc.

[Anonymous No.15963981]

>>15960780
Seconding. I'd like a version that also has an introduction, giving some information and history for context. ISBN 9780813319513 (Sawyer) looks like it could be worth getting. I hear their translation is good.

[Anonymous No.15963993]

>>15960987
>>15960994
>>15961037
>>15963981
Kek 4 totally different recommendations

[Anonymous No.15964377]

>>15963198
>sub

[Anonymous No.15964507]

>>15960780
I bought the penguin and was thoroughly impressed. The book itself has the original text followed by, as >>15960987
said, a comprehensive commentary from Cao Cao to Giles. I’d recommend it

[Anonymous No.15964547]

>>15964507
This one? Does it also have an introduction of sorts? I'd assume so, judging by the # of pages (300 range).

[Anonymous No.15964668]

All right, let's go. Thanks for this thread, OP and anons.

[Anonymous No.15964742]

>>15964547
Yeah that’s the one. It has an introduction but it’s fairly brief and it mostly discusses the impact of the work, the fact that it may be various bamboo strips put together and the translators choices. It only amounted to 20 pages and I read it fairly quickly and felt that John Minford had a fairly good idea what he was doing

[Anonymous No.15964766]

>>15961037
>Lionel Giles
I own the copy translated by Thomas Cleary. I would say get that copy. It's very good. His edition of Sun Tzu’s text includes the classic collection of illuminating commentaries/auxiliary texts by several interpreters/distinguished strategists after Sun Tzu passed away. So you get a lot of variation. The book is not that big either, very short. It's just a collection of aphorisms. But it's the interpretations of the book that makes it so big.

[Anonymous No.15964804]

>>15963198
>sub
please somebody make it fucking stop

[Anonymous No.15964848]

>>15962752
based

[Anonymous No.15964879]

>>15960780
art of war is gimped tao te ching

[Anonymous No.15965414]

>>15964766
Thank you
You're right, it's more about the commentaries/interpretations, so I went into this thread looking for recommendations regarding those

[Anonymous No.15965867]

>>15960859
art of war fags were repeatedly getting btfo in rotk
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