/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.15950867]

Can video games be /lit/? They have scripts longer than Greek Tragedies. I think Chrono Trigger and the early FFs let me know about archetypes.

Persona introduced me to psychology and gnostic truth.

[Anonymous No.15950872]

Video games?

Like for kids?

[Anonymous No.15950882]

I fear that one day there will be an entire generation of grown adults that learnt about psychology and depression watching Bojack Horseman

[Anonymous No.15950898]

>>15950882
I like Bojack Horseman. Anything wrong with it?

[Anonymous No.15950912]

>>15950898
faggots and manchildren like Bojack Horseman

[Anonymous No.15950932]

>>15950912
What is wrong with it though?

[Anonymous No.15951043]

>>15950932
it's made to catter to faggots and manchildren

[Anonymous No.15951063]

Fuck all of you, I'm going to create my own clan somewhere remote where our mythos is 1990s JRPGs and we reach true Gnosis.

[Anonymous No.15951081]

I find it hard to refer to as art anything that took the work of over a hundred worker drones and was designed-by-committee to sell as many copies as possible.

[Anonymous No.15951092]

I was actually thinking of buying this but I rarely played jrpgs. is it worth it? how satisfying is the gameplay?

[Anonymous No.15951156]

>>15950867
Play 999/Zero Escape anon

[Anonymous No.15951215]

>>15951092
Traditional turnbased dungeon exploring gameplay with plenty of other fun things to do half of the time. But the main thing I like about it is the comfy setting and story, basically a murder mystery set in a rural town featuring a band of autists, way better than the rest of the series which thrive on edginess

[Anonymous No.15951252]

>>15951156
this

[Anonymous No.15951300]

>>15950882
>learnt

Southerners please kys. I will vote for Joe Biden to give you the opportunity to rise up and get massacred again by the ZOG federals.

[Anonymous No.15951348]

>>15951215
Persona 3 is way more */lit/ than P4 or P5. Persona 2 is peak /*lit/. Not because it is edgy, but because the story is not totally braindead.

*The games are JRPG shit though, so i'ts not really /lit/ at all.

[Anonymous No.15951356]

>>15950867
No. Stop making these threads, thanks.

[Anonymous No.15951361]

>>15950872
fpbp
>>15950867
Dude just go back to /v/.

[Anonymous No.15951412]

>>15950882

[Anonymous No.15951430]

>>15951412
Does anybody think Bojack is edgy? It's the most "don't punch down!" cartoon in the world. The show spells out that Bojack's a bad person more than South Park does it for Cartman, for god's sake.

[Anonymous No.15951447]

>>15951348
>Persona 3 is way more */lit/ than P4 or P5.
In what regard? I hear people hype it up as a masterpiece of storytelling and characterization, but it's really just the stereotypical weebshit for depressed teenagers all the same.

[Anonymous No.15951452]

>>15951430
The post is one of the most retarded things I’ve ever read. Why it singles out “rednecks” as people who need to be educated about anxiety is lost on me

[Anonymous No.15951476]

>>15951447
>it's really just the stereotypical weebshit for depressed teenagers all the same.
It touches on death related topics and coping. I wish I could defend it more and say is not really edgy, but they shoot themselves in the head to summon their personas, so although it's not "weebshit for depressed teenagers" and more like "baby's first existential crisis" it is still edgy JRPG garbage.

Junpei Iori is the best character in nu-persona and no one can tell me otherwise.

[Anonymous No.15951477]

>>15950867
>Persona introduced me to psychology and gnostic truth.
No wonder the field is dominated with a bunch of homosexuals and women.

[Anonymous No.15951495]

>>15951412
>being asexual
I watched that show with my roommate in college and was laughing my ass off at the show trying to make "coming out as asexual" a huge trial. As if anybody except maybe your mom would care that you can't get it up for anybody.

[Anonymous No.15951583]

>>15950898
I used to like it as a depressed high schooler, but over time it grew increasingly narrowly focused on neurotic Los Angelenos and refused to portray the possible repercussions of behavior of people like Todd. Bojack was just being borderline abused by the writers by the end in order to make their pet characters look good in comparison.

[Anonymous No.15951612]

>>15951583
I stopped watching like two seasons before the ending, and looking back I should have stopped sooner. For being such an "open-minded show that doesn't shy away from hard topics" it has a pretty fucking juvenile sense of morality. Your observation of the show having "pet characters" is on-the-mark: Bojack constantly got lambasted for romanticizing his sadness but Diane did the same shit and the show did it along with her. Todd was just an annoying little prick and the show treated Bojack like an asshole for pointing out that he was an annoying little prick.

[Anonymous No.15951631]

>>15951043
still no answer. wow

[Anonymous No.15951676]

>>15951348
I share this anon opinion as well, but you can add persona 2 has kaneko designs which are very stylish, if i had a jazz bar i would love if he design it

[Anonymous No.15951692]

>>15951583
>>15951612
Makes sense.

[Anonymous No.15951715]

>>15950898
I didn't finish it (watched through season 4), I think it teaches a poor mindset. I got the impression that it encourages one to blame every problem in his/her life on mental illnesses or addictions, then be witty enough to realize you're shifting blame, then "take responsibility" and call yourself an asshole while not doing anything you need to do, and continue to do bad things while being aware that you are doing bad things. It felt like it encouraged a weird self-therapy pity-party soliloquy that would never end.

[Anonymous No.15951753]

Dark Souls is /lit/.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqhtBsxAZNo

[Anonymous No.15951896]

Why are some people who play games so obsessed with games having every label out there, except for the label "game".
First they wanted them to be a fucking sport.
Then fucking art.
Then fucking film.
Now fucking literature.
There is no shame in in enjoying such a hobby, but don't people get tired of trying to tack on as many labels to a hobby as possible? You don't see football players asking if UEFA is literature for fuck's sake.
It's in its original name, it's a video game. A game that you most likely play on a screen of some sorts. A GAME.

[Anonymous No.15951899]

>>15951300
if i was american i would vote biden too
>>15951631
(upvote)

[Anonymous No.15951925]

>>15951896
To propagate the idea of video games as a culmination of other art forms.

[Anonymous No.15951942]

>>15951896
Because computers can do anything.

[Anonymous No.15951944]

>>15951896
I love video games, but the amount of shame hobbyists expose in themselves is embarrassing. It's a beautiful and unique medium that can do things that no other medium can do, but they want it to be a lesser version of everything else. That's why we have the movie-game epidemic we're dealing with now.

[Anonymous No.15951976]

>>15950867
>persona 4
You are a friendless obese retard and I would kill if given the chance.

[Anonymous No.15952004]

>>15951944
Movies are a century-old medium. That means that they are not old at all and don't have the classic vibe, but they are also outdated already and are superseded by the technically superior form of art.

[Anonymous No.15952009]

>>15951753
Shut up, nigger.

[Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel No.15952012]

>>15951976
cute belly button

[Anonymous No.15952013]

>>15952004
>and are superseded by the technically superior form of art.
this is your brain on stem, you become a literal bug.

[Anonymous No.15952022]

>>15951942
This, which is why they should be destroyed.

[Anonymous No.15952030]

They can, but it's rare.

Exhibit A

[Anonymous No.15952042]

>>15952013
That's a nice admission of defeat. But you can start with the Greeks... I mean, ancient Greece profound movies. Plato showed some great movies in his cave.

[Anonymous No.15952043]

>>15952030
>muh metal gear
you are a clown, just like the personafags and the dark reddit souls.
Get some personality fuckface

[Anonymous No.15952046]

>Everyone likes you instantly
>You're good at everything "SENSEI SENSEI UHH MUH SENSEI"
>Everyone wants to fuck you, even the comic relief guy that only exists to make you look better
>Main bad guy's motivation is shit "LIFE IS UNFAIR YOU'RE BORN A LOSER" and the rebuttal is "UHHH FRIENDS!"
The game is shit.

[Anonymous No.15952048]

>>15952043
based. what next, fallout? planescape? /v/ is such a fucking joke.

[Anonymous No.15952053]

>>15952030
Exhibit B (Talos Principle as a whole)

>>15952043
MGS as a series has some atrocious writing at points, but the pic I posted was pretty on point of the current state of affairs back in 2002.

[Anonymous No.15952054]

>>15952042
John Ford would direct circles around Plato. Stick to bugs

[Anonymous No.15952077]

>>15952048
yeah they are always the same examples. everyfucking time, garbage at the level of tom clancy novels, but since that is literally the only thing they know they think is supposed to impress people.
laughable

[Anonymous No.15952085]

>>15952054
You'd better move on to the mediums which have history/accumulated wisdom or technical power (but you can cling to the medium which has neither if you wish)

[Anonymous No.15952144]

Me: A well rounded human being
You: one dimensional autistic spergs

[Anonymous No.15952155]

>>15950867
they are /lit/ in the same way that john green books or shonen manga are /lit/. literature for children.
the only game with significant artistic merit in the history of video games is Earthbound, and that's because it was directed by an actual writer with a vision instead of some freelance hack game """"director""""

[Anonymous No.15952164]

>>15951430
and people STILL root for cartman. the majority of americans are severely retarded

[Anonymous No.15952167]

>>15952144
based autistic 2hufag

[Anonymous No.15952171]

>it has words on it
>it must be literature!

[Anonymous No.15952182]

>>15952155
/lit/ merit /=/ "artistic" merit. By defintion, good Games have artistic merit, but they don't have /lit/ merit. The traditional definition of artistic is "doing your craft well.' Since Super Mario Bros on the NES was a craft (game design) done well, it counts as art.

[Anonymous No.15952211]

>>15952182
That's right, video games are clearly high art.

[Anonymous No.15952213]

>>15952004
The "classic-vibe"? What? Even if you think video games are superior to film (I find the comparison pointless, different mediums have different goals by nature), it's clear to many people that game-makers have enough insecurity to ape film.

[Anonymous No.15952222]

>>15952164
In a meta-sense, one should root for Cartman and Randy. They are the clowns of the series and it goes dull without their instigation. In terms of his morality, yeah, that's pretty silly.

[Anonymous No.15952234]

>>15952144
>weeb shit
>genre fiction
lmaooooo

[Anonymous No.15952242]

>>15950867
Yes but definitely not Persona. MGS2 and the first three Silent Hills come to mind.

[Anonymous No.15952243]

>>15952211
Yes, video games are better (but we shouldn't blame Michelangelo, he had no computers).

[Anonymous No.15952248]

>>15952211
I said art. I didn't say high art. Don't put words in my mouth.

[Anonymous No.15952292]

>>15952242
same shit
>>15952234
I can kill you with one hand

[Anonymous No.15952326]

>>15952242
>MGS2
Dude postmodernism lmao
>first three Silent Hills
Mediocre horror genre fiction, second game only sticks out because of how it blatantly copies western literature.

[Anonymous No.15952346]

>>15952326
MGS2 utilizes the video game medium to address post modernism in a way that no other medium could.

[Anonymous No.15952364]

>>15952346
What makes MGS2 stand out is how it subverts the player's expectations. Its actual attempts at postmodernism is weak and shallow.

[Anonymous No.15952844]

>>15952155
>artistic merit

i dare say there are games that have artistic merit and can't be no other art form would replicate the experience, i say ICO and Shadow of the Colosus.

[Anonymous No.15952865]

>>15952211
almost every traditional fine artist alive right now is convinced that they would do a better job than michaelangelo. The guy hardly even saw a naked person, and his skills are well documented right now.

[Anonymous No.15952898]

You are a bunch of bitch ass niggas

[Anonymous No.15952908]

>>15951896
Recently discovered pic related; I don't consider video games /lit/ but the fact that you fight Yahweh himself as the final boss is worth mentioning.

[Anonymous No.15952918]

>>15952865
Lol. You can't even buy a copy of a Michelangelo painting done by a fine artist that looks anywhere near as good as the original. The guy was a one of a kind genius

[Anonymous No.15952969]

>>15952908
>but the fact that you fight Yahweh himself as the final boss is worth mentioning.
You don't
Try II or Apocalypse for that

[Anonymous No.15952977]

>>15952918
fine art is a skill that was teach always by teacher to student, you always need to grind for years so you needed your master, on /ic/ it was documented who teach who, and from the line of michaelangelo it went to bridgeman and glenn vilpu who is alive (but its really old), so the skills that Michaelangelo used are more refined nowadays, but anyway you need a lot of practice.

[Anonymous No.15952984]

>>15952908
>Yahweh
>Final boss
Hahaha fucking busted. You haven't beaten that game.

[Anonymous No.15953021]

>>15952908
In one of the endings you ally with lucifer to fight god, but you never actually fight him. Anyway is a really good game.

[Anonymous No.15953040]

>>15952182
>lit/ merit /=/ "artistic" merit
what i meant by significant was precisely /lit/ tier, kino, etc. artistic merit. Maybe I should have worded it better

[Anonymous No.15953124]

>BIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIDEEEEEEEEEEEEEEO GAAAAAAAAMEEEEEEEEEESSSS!!!!

[Anonymous No.15953336]

>>15952085
I don't take advice from subhumans. Enjoy your bugs and wikipedia articles.

[Anonymous No.15953469]

>>15953336
Fuck off icycalm, roach.

[Anonymous No.15953523]

>>15952085
>accumulated wisdom or technical power
the fuck is technical power. the technique of those making the work? technological advancements related to the work?

[Anonymous No.15953652]

Only Fromsoft games have any literary value.

[Anonymous No.15953659]

>>15953652
Fun action games at best.

[Anonymous No.15953671]

>>15950867
>They have scripts longer than Greek Tragedies.
>B-Baka! I-It's not like I a-actually l-l-like you or anything!
>repeat ad infinitum

[Anonymous No.15953701]

>>15953469
Cry back to plebbit, homo

[Anonymous No.15953854]

>>15953659
T. Brainlet who has never looked for the lore.

[Anonymous No.15953868]

>>15951896
>Football players asking if UEFA is literature
One of the worst analogies

[Anonymous No.15954322]

>>15952908
>but the fact that you fight Yahweh himself as the final boss is worth mentionioning
Every other jap does that thing were you fight "God" at the end, it's not worth mentioning and it's such a retarded idea that only edgy /v/edittors find it interesting

[Anonymous No.15954542]

>>15952908
>but the fact that you fight Yahweh himself as the final boss is worth mentioning.

You don't play JRPG very often right?