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Seriously. If Plato were mandatory in schools, 98% of modern problems would disappear.

>> No.15948849

>>15948835
But he was a fascist and eugenicist!

>> No.15948856

>>15948835
I also believe that non-European, low IQ children should be filtered as soon as possible

>> No.15948863

>>15948835
>americunts don't read Plato at school
Fucking hell. And no, even if he was mandatory, (and he is mandatory in many schools) most school children just ignore it and "read" it.

>> No.15948871

>>15948856
Well what are they doing in Europe of they aren't European, that's something to concern about.

>> No.15948873

>>15948863
He got pulled from Sweden and Norway. Why are you lying.

>> No.15948883

>>15948856
Stfu plenty of non-Europeans I know that are well versed in the Humanities. If anything it’s the only way to find the good ones from the garbage.

>> No.15948886

>teach kids that knowledge don't real and to obey authority unquestioningly because they 'know'

>> No.15948890

>>15948863
No, he isn't mandatory in any school. Maybe one dialogue, or the summarized version of his philosophy. But I'm talking about making all his works mandatory. Every dialogue.

>> No.15948896

>>15948873
>Sweden and Norway fags don't read Plato at schools
Why do people reduce the world to their countries?

>> No.15948902

>>15948886
Exactly.

>> No.15948909

>>15948890
Then be clear about it, faggot

>> No.15948920

>>15948835
American schools would be greatly enhanced if they just
>Focused on the Greeks, not just mythology
>Limited slavery teaching to one unit and a book to go with it (probably Frederick Douglass); teach it in history class rather than English
>Eliminate Holocaust education outside of a general genocide unit in history class, not in English

>> No.15948926

nobody pays attention to this shit in school, you have to discover it on your own.

>> No.15948941

>>15948883
That's news to me. I've only ever met a half dozen people who read the Greeks irl and all were white.

>> No.15949032

>>15948920
Based but I think you meant Holocaust """education""""

>> No.15949046

>>15948835
No they would not. Kids would just complain about how boring he is in-between watching TikToks

>> No.15949059

>>15949032
Well, I gotta sell it to them somehow.

>> No.15949069

>>15949046
Is there any real reason why schools can't just buy cell-phone jammers and use them for class? I understand using them is against the law, but since the school system is part of the government, it seems like a good exception.

>> No.15949080

>>15948835
A lot of great books are “mandatory” in schools the odyssey is general required reading catch is the kids just don’t fucking read It

>> No.15949102

>>15948835
>If Plato were mandatory in schools, 98% of modern problems would disappear.

No they wouldn't, because most humans are fucking retarded faggots who would only be drawn into even deeper faggotry by reading a philosopher who was boring as fuck and is probably responsible for every manner of whiteknight faggotry because he wrote about his faggot 'forms' that then made countless generations of people believe that there was such a thing as an absolute, independently existed 'good' or 'evil' and I'm telling you that's the kind of shit that makes life around humans so fucking awful and makes me want to somehow destroy humanity

>> No.15949133

>>15949069
Largely because kids/teens could receive important calls from family, but I suppose they could also call the schools and pull the kid from class temporarily.

This may make me sound like a doomer, but the rise of smartphones makes me very worried for the idea of having kids. Seeing shit like tiktok make society even more retarded by lowering their attention spand to be unable to focus on anything besides short videos.

>> No.15949166

>>15948871
The US and Israel, among other countries, are bombing their home countries and forcing them out.

>> No.15949196

>>15949166
Where, in Morocco?

>> No.15949199

>>15949133
TikTok and other cancerous apps are just the tip of the cancer pyramid when it comes to smartphones. Those things are literally pure cancer and represent in various ways precisely wtf is wrong with humanity: they enable constant connection to the internet, previously unseen levels of surveillance, I'm pretty sure the EM they emit isn't good for you too much, every manner of ads and other gay shit, but what I hate the most is the way they enabled groups of people like niggers and various other pseuder pleb to start posting on the internet. They do not add anything of interest or value and I can't stand how they managed to make the internet shitty like their neighborhoods.

>> No.15949206

>>15949133
I wonder if there'd be any way to limit school wi-fi to work on computers but not on phones. I suppose that's impossible, but it might remedy some of the damage. Most public school students are too poor to afford paying a bunch of data charges.

>> No.15949218

>>15948835
>>15948863
Plato himself wouldn't even want this and would fully acknowledge that most people do not have the intellect or virtue for him.

>> No.15949250

>>15949199
>born to late to sail the seas
>born to early to plunder the stars
>born just in time to experience a decade of nigger-free internet
I pity the zoomer

>> No.15949277

>>15949199
It's pretty funny how the whole "everybody has a voice online!" built the exact hate it was supposed to destroy. I say nigger all the time and enjoy being an edgelord, but I don't think I felt any genuine hate in my heart towards them until I saw "Black Twitter". I still wouldn't say that I hate Black people or anything (too many Black people that I like, so it would just be inaccurate), but my attitude has certainly changed.
>>15949250
It's a little depressing when I think of how comfy things once were.

>> No.15949281

Is he brainlet material? You could be saying Mass compulsory education bad

>> No.15949290

>>15948835
Wasn't it him that said people should engage with philosophy after their 30s?

>> No.15949298
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15949298

>>15949199
The issue with phones and social media is that there is no filter for the content you see. It's merely endless regurgitated shit, told to you by the mostly uninformed and retarded general populace, and those retarded reactionary posts are the ones that draw the most attention, further propagating the retardation.
At risk of outing myself as a /v/tard, MGS2 called it accurately in 2002.
>>15949206
It may be possible, but kids would just use their parent's data

>> No.15949301

>>15948835
>Seriously. If Plato were mandatory in schools, 98% of modern problems would disappear.
The fact that you think this shows that reading Plato isn't that great to solve problems.

>> No.15949305

>>15949281
He thought virtue and ethics couldn't be taught. They had to be recollected.

>> No.15949314

>>15948835
Modern problems would disappear if Greek and Latin were in every curriculum again. (And the mandatory lecture of Ancient Greek philosophers, ofc.)

>> No.15949320

>>15949298
A lot of Black parents would beat the tar out of their kids for that, so it might still help, but I see your point. It's still kind of pushing the real problem along.
>>15949199
>every manner of ads and other gay shit
It's pretty infuriating how there's all this evidence that advertising companies are constantly spying on me to shoot commercials in my face, yet Amazon still can't figure out what kind of books to recommend me. Same with PSN; I'm not gonna play that gayass zombie game.

>> No.15949327

>>15949102
See, this is what happens when you don't teach kids Plato in school. They turn out retarded.

>> No.15949650

>>15948835
No, producing more foundationalist retards like you will not solve all the worlds problem, philosonigger.

>> No.15950700

>>15948835
In my secondary school (Europe), Greek and Latin are one of 5 majors you can pick throughout your secondary school career, the others being Human Science, Pure Science and Economics. Every Greek and Latin student reads Platonic dialogues (for Greek student this is in his own particular version of Attic Greek and is a staple on the exams; for Latin students in latin translations; for Human Science this is in translation (my case Dutch/ Flemish). So a good portion of students will have had their healthy dose of Plato in secondary school, and trust me when I say this, it doesn't change much, even with the most passionate and competent teachers. HS kids are HS kids and many will just opt for the most cost effective way to pass tests and exams without having to engage with the material.

>> No.15950848

Aristotle is better for learning to behave as a decent person, but honestly at least half the population is physiologically incapable of understanding philosophy

>> No.15950888

>>15949166
No they aren’t, they’re opportunists coming from failing states.

>> No.15951395

>>15949298
Is MGS2 really the first to predict it or? I played it for the first time last year but I figured that knowledge was inspired by someone else.

>> No.15951398

>>15948835
And the other 2% would be the biggest problems

>> No.15952090

>>15951395
You may be right, but if it were inspired by other works it still framed them pretty well in it's own way.
I am curious now though what works have a similar point as that scene.

>> No.15952463

>>15948920
Based. But I’d suggest Olaudah Equiano’s account specifically. AA History shouldn’t need an entirely separate, and in some cases, optional class.

>> No.15952500

>>15949320
Every Black person not from a ghetto would tell you they hate nigger shit.

>> No.15952540

>>15948835
>mandatory Plato teachings in school
cringe
>mandatory Diogenes teachings in school
based

>> No.15952558

>>15949218
>Plato says x
>Plato says philosophy is actually bad not good but only if x is y
Sounds like bullshit I doubt he ever stayed that

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15952575

Seriously. If Buber were mandatory in schools, 98% of modern problems would disappear.

>> No.15952614

>>15952558
He didn't say that philosophy was bad but that most people are not smart enough for it. That is the entire point of the Philosopher King and the Guardian class.

>> No.15952683

>>15948849
HOLY SHIT?!
PLATO WAS A LIBERAL?
cringe fuck plato

>> No.15952744

>>15952683
Plato didn't believe in private property. His worldview seems closer to Marxist-Leninism with a lot of esoteric makeup and a strong caste system.

>> No.15952780

>>15952744
Anti-democracy NazBol eugenicist theocracy but unironically

>> No.15952868

>>15949218
He never said it's bad for most people to take an interest in it, he said the complete opposite you fool. It's just he accepted most wouldn't understand it perfectly let alone most at that time even have an interest in it. That the majority still have their place and preferences of their nature.

Still, he would rather everyone study philosophy if they could and follow "true wisdom", it's also a moral desire. Just imagine if all these people understood the meaning of self-control and prudence, and appreciating higher things. It would of course be balanced with poetry.

>> No.15952874

>>15952744
>>15952780
If anything if we are to wrongly use modern definitions, he would be a Fascist. "Nazbol with a caste system" is pretty much just fucking a type of Fascism like seriously. Nazbol is Fascism with less emphasis on race and more on Marxist/left leaning economics.

>> No.15952878

>>15952868
Yes, I know but I'm speaking more practically. Most people in a society will not understand or appreciate Plato as he would have wanted and for the lowest it is best to not even bother. Just let the highest study Plato and make the laws.

>> No.15952902

>>15952744
which based philosophers believed in private property, being a great man, and killing lazy weak faggots?

>> No.15952920

>>15952902
Thrasymachus, Polus and Callicles

>> No.15952966

>>15952878
We must attempt to raise the people, and you can do A LOT with good will, no matter intelligence. It is just that most do not have or are raised with heroic virtues, and wouldn't persevere in the slightest to understand. We could however, show them the basic points of his philosophy, and do it as an introduction to the Grecian ideal and so forth, with the simultaneity of physique and psyche in the endeavour. Teach them true ideals, things based up from reality, and that could never be denied even by the dumbest or most immoral teen/child. But we would teach them above all reverence for great men, and these great men. So that they would persevere to read Plato knowing he has a value. And holding themselves in admiration for him knowing that they cannot know what he knew.

>> No.15952985

>>15952920
Thrasymachus didn't believe in private property rights either. He thinks that stronger forces being unjust and murdering people to take their stuff is acceptable as long as they win, because they are stronger. Governments exist for the stronger people to more efficiently exercise injustice and benefit themselves. Sheep are reared to be sheared and eaten and all. It was Glaucon who changed his argument to be social contract theory where the weak band together to prevent injustice (which benefits the one engaging in injustice the most but hurts everyone else) in order to minimize the amount of bad stuff that strong people can do.

>> No.15953094

>>15952744
seems based to me

>> No.15953105

>>15948835
Probably.

>> No.15953524

>>15952985
You're overthinking it. Thrasymachus' point is basically the same as Ayn Rand.

>> No.15954580

>>15948941
it's almost as if you shouldn't let anecdotal experiences shape your opnion of literally billions of human beings

>> No.15954582

>>15948835
>if schools taught anything of substance and weren't just daycare centers for factory workers

>> No.15954599

>>15952744
His system was clearly hierarchical and caste like, plus I thought it was only the guardians that had no private property. Seems closer to fascism, or maybe a more leftwing variety like strasserism, or maybe even nazbolism.

>> No.15954616

>>15952780
>pro-slavery
>anti-democracy
>NazBol
Holy shit please stop posting

>> No.15954620

>>15948835
Imagine not knowing that current problems are being produced by our advanced mode of production, and would only go away once that's removed.

>> No.15954623

>>15948863
I sure as hell did not have to read any Plato in school. Or any philosophy for that matter.

>> No.15954665

>>15954620
People would be easier to convince of this if they read Plato.

>> No.15954677

>>15948835
>NO, TRUST ME! WE JUST HAVE TO EDUCATE THE UNWASHED HORDES OF BROWN PEOPLE!!
Try airlifting 500 copies of The Republic into downtown Chicago and wait a week.

>> No.15954751

>>15952874
Plato wrote in the republic that children should be the property of the state and that women all women should be in the workforce. This doesn’t sound very “fascist” to me

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15954771

Seriously. If Alfred Janny were mandatory in schools, 98% of modern problems would disappear.

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15954866

>>15954751
Not all women but the guardian caste of the Republic iirc. Anyway his approach to gender issues is more egalitarian than any feminist literature I have ever read. Masculinity for both men and women should be the norm.

>> No.15954879

>>15954771
This unironically 100%

>> No.15954896

Yeah, because your average retard kid is going to comprehend Plato. Even professors get filtered by him.

>> No.15954901

>>15954896
Nietzsche got filtered hard.

>> No.15954949

>>15954866
I think you may be a fag.

>> No.15955009

>>15948835
It is already mandatory in my country and it hasn't solved shit.

t. Philosophy teacher for secondary school

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15955027

>>15954949
I think you are the fag here, anon.

>> No.15955057

>>15948873
Post sauce

>> No.15955096

>>15955027
HOLY FUCKING BASED

>> No.15955140

>>15952500
They absolutely would not. Have you ever even come in to contact with many black people? Wtf is it with this board and darkoid apologia? I have a feeling it’s euros posting from their still 96% white villages and speaking on matters they simply do not comprehend

>> No.15955896

>>15954771
Who?

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15956102

>>15951395
It wasn't, read The Technological Society

>> No.15956168

>>15954616
NazBol is anti-democracy.

>> No.15957374

>>15952744
Never read a more retarded take on Plato ever.
The only people forbidden property are the rulers.

>> No.15957403

>>15948835
it's sad you truly do believe this. go outside more OP.

>> No.15957437

>>15955027
>a female body but with enough /fit/ness to keep up with you
Imagine being so weak a girl can catch up to you LMAO.

>> No.15957460

>>15948835
but he IS mandatory in schools, isn't he? he is here in europe at least

>> No.15957471

>>15948835
>teaching work
stop suck so much dicks op

>> No.15957494

>>15956102
You mean I can't garner all my facts from BIDEO GAMES?!

>> No.15957836

>>15957460
I don't recall us reading any philosophy in school. We briefly skimmed some ideas of Kant but didn't even read him.

>> No.15957846

>>15957374
Private property is not personal property.

>> No.15958142

>>15957836
italian here and philosophy is mandatory in the last three years of high school, not enough time to go in depth over everything but enough for a rundown of the main thinkers and general concatenation of main currents of thought

>> No.15959281

>>15949298
The Patriots did nothing wrong.
Censoring is actually good, the average man is ready for too much information.