Books on Overpopulation

[Anonymous No.15947935]

Any good books about overpopulation?
Have you guys read Malthus?
>pic related is the mouse utopia experiment, look it up on YT

[Anonymous No.15947980]

>>15947935
Overpopulation doesn't exist. The only problem is resource allocation. You could pack all of humanity into the state of Texas if it had the density of Paris. The problem are NIMBYs who insist on having their own backyards instead of letting sensible development happen. We could feed 50 million people with a cubic kilometer of algae and yeast farms and a few dozen nuclear powerplants.
>muh that's not a humane way to live blah blah blah
Shut the fuck up. Give everyone a VN headset and you're set. Also, you can turn the rest of the planet into a giant nature preserve and let people vacation there if they want to.

[Anonymous No.15948013]

A reminder that mouse experiment authors are saying "mice put in a dirty awful prison with some food are unhappy, therefore humans should starve".

[Anonymous No.15948096]

Malthus: A Very Short Introduction

[Anonymous No.15948102]

>>15947980
>he doesn't know about cultural differences
oh no no no no no

[Anonymous No.15948113]

>>15947980
>everyone wants to live exactly the same way

[Anonymous No.15948117]

>>15947980
Make a singularity first and then fill the universe with tiny computers simulating billions of humans each.

[Anonymous No.15948124]

>>15948113
You can fill your VN headset with vastly different experiences.

[Anonymous No.15948126]

>>15947980
>give everyone a VN headset
>Visual Novel headset
What did he mean by this?

[Old Man No.15948132]

>>15948124
>You can fill your VN headset with vastly different experiences.

[Anonymous No.15948137]

>>15947980
I feel like I’ve seen this exact response on /r/collapse (i know, I know...)
Regardless, why *must* we keep everyone alive?

[Anonymous No.15948143]

>>15948126
That your waifu will be real now.

[Anonymous No.15948153]

>>15948137
Of course you can be an egoist and try to keep only yourself alive.

[Anonymous No.15948478]

Billennium, short story by J. G. Ballard

[jesus No.15948501]

>>15947980
overpopulation of job markets. end of technological progress, of innovation. demand drops.

[Anonymous No.15948616]

>>15947980
Interesting point of view even tho I strongly disagree. You can't pack people like bees, violence would spread and people would become crazy. Maybe I'm just a country boy but quality of life matters, people need to live close to nature in order to feel happy Thoreau style. Your "let's pack 50 mils in Texas" sound like a technocratic distopian nightmare to me, I hope I will never see stuff like that in the next future.

[Anonymous No.15948647]

>>15948616
Well, his solution to some of the problems you mentioned is to force everyone into VR headset and bombard people with artificial environments (because the one he would create would not be inherently conducive to human psychological health). I assume he would also have people pumped with chemicals/hooked up to hedonist machines

[Anonymous No.15949375]

>>15948501
Cities are massively more productive and innovative than r*ral areas. It would bring enormous economic growth and technological progress with it.
>>15948117
That's the end goal, yes, but at that point you have enough space and capital that you can probably give every human their own habitat anyways if they wanted to have one for some illogical reason.
>>15948137
I strongly feel that a higher human population is an intrinsically good thing. More people means more consumers, more growth, more artists and more geniuses. More literature and works of art to enjoy, more like-minded individuals for any community, more resources to do the things that are important.
>>15948647
>because the one he would create would not be inherently conducive to human psychological health
Are you implying that living in a densely populated city is inherently inconductive to mental health? Even if that were true, it's a fact of life now that most people live in cities and we'll have to deal with that anyways. It's not like cities have to be brutalistic hell-scapes either. See pic related. They can be monuments of shining glass and steel and curated flora in whatever arrangement is most pleasing to human eyes.

[Anonymous No.15950076]

>>15947935
Game Control by Lionel Shriver

[Anonymous No.15950177]

>>15947935
if you're serious, check out "The Politics of Scarcity" by William Ophuls, tough to find

[Anonymous No.15950203]

>>15949375
>I strongly feel that a higher human population is an intrinsically good thing. More people means more consumers, more growth, more artists and more geniuses. More literature and works of art to enjoy, more like-minded individuals for any community, more resources to do the things that are important.
I agree. Even more, larger population is not just an intermediate goal, but is also the end goal and primary value of civilization. You can also assume that civilization which can support huge population for a long time is also able to support other values.

[Anonymous No.15950588]

>>15949375
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/1352565/ That dense cities aren't conducive to good mental health is intuitive, overpopulation is a myth but the suggestion of packing people even tighter is absurd and psychopathic.
>More people means more consumers, more growth
Mass-consumption is at odds with having more artists and geniuses, but I'm sure it would be very nice to be an alpha++ world-controller. Growth will always require material, material must come from somewhere (expansion into unspoilt nature), and grass laden skyscrapers are no substitute for real nature. Furthermore, all humanity may fit in Texas, but the animals they eat won't.

[Anonymous No.15951918]

>>15950588
Real nature produces little food without all the agricultural revolution and green revolution gains.

[Anonymous No.15952321]

>>15947935
Wow you really don't understand the compound effect, not sure i should even begin

[Anonymous No.15952635]

>>15947980
FPBP
Fuck all the haters this is the real answer. Malthus was a retard

[Anonymous No.15953780]

Funny how /lit/ acts like a christian board but the majority of answers to this thread are "yeah bro we can just pack people like livestock" or "yeah bro let's just consume more, who cares about God's creatures and nature, we need more people and more money". You act like you"d like to live in a technocratic society. You guys should read Spengler, we are truly approaching Kali Yuga.

[jesus No.15953945]

>>15953780
true. quantity and quality are not the same thing. why the hell people go to vacation and travel to places where there are little or no people at all?

[Anonymous No.15954820]

>>15953780
And God blessed them and spoke to them: be fruitful and multiply, subdue the Earth and rule over the bird in the sky the fish in the sea and all living creatures that roam the world.

[Anonymous No.15954884]

>>15947980
based, rightoids are retarded.

>believe in just world fallacy + hierachies
>whut, why me have less ressources??
>it´s just like in dah movies thanos was right!!!

[Anonymous No.15954900]

>>15947980
>The only problem is resource allocation
Bad thing is that resources are finite and the ways of extracting them also require energy. Thus if there's too much energy going to a larger population, it can't be put towards extraction and then the whole system collapses, standards of living and life expectancy fall, and Malthus is proven right.

[Anonymous No.15954922]

This book is required reading on the topic of overpopulation.

http://www.juliansimon.com/writings/Ultimate_Resource/

[Anonymous No.15954925]

>>15947980
>just become a literal human-ant hive
No. Everything the stars light touches is for humanity to ravage and call their own. We must colonize every single square meter on this planet and beyond, breeding billions more humans to spread our glorious achievements.

It is not enough to exist, we must make sure we exist to the fullest possible extent. Suffer not the weak and degenerate death cults that wish you complacency.

[Anonymous No.15954926]

>>15954925
>he thinks man will ever be able to leave earth in any meaningful way
Oh no no no

[Anonymous No.15954928]

>>15954925
By the way, when I say humans I mean white Europeans.

[Anonymous No.15954957]

>>15954925
Why are cribbing your writing style from WH40K you fruit?

[Anonymous No.15954965]

>>15954957
Probably stealing it from that cringe ass webm of the swastika sun with a fucking gay voiceover.

[Anonymous No.15954982]

>https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/murray-bookchin-the-population-myth

Based Bookchin is required reading to dispel Malthusian nonsense and the modern eco-fascist thinking that spawned from his misanthropic ideas.

[Anonymous No.15954990]

>>15954982
>anarchism
>ever
No

[Anonymous No.15955026]

The Wanting Seed by Burgess

[Anonymous No.15955043]

>>15953780
There are different opinions on /lit/, a lot of people are disagreeing with the guy too