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[Anonymous No.15946668]

>NOOOO you can't just trust the bible and Aristotle!!!!
>you have to do le ebin science experiment!!

Books on why the eternal anglo never ceases to ruin philosophy

[Anonymous No.15946686]

>>15946668
The Greeks already said that, look up Galen.
I hate the eternal Anglo as much as you do but you should not be sloppy in your criticism.

[Anonymous No.15946702]

>>15946668
Science > Philosophy and religion

[Anonymous No.15946735]

ummm sweaty it was the persians who invented the scientific method.

[Anonymous No.15946736]

>>15946702
Based.

[Anonymous No.15946750]

>>15946668
Based, OP. I really want to read Bacon's Major Opus. What do you think about it?

>>15946702
Science sprang from both religion - as sacred science, viz. egyptian - and (afterwards) philosophy, ignoramus

[Anonymous No.15946774]

>>15946750
>Bro science came from philosophy and religion therefore Philosophy and religion have a higher claim

Peak midwit. Science is inherently superior to philosophy and religion and people who say otherwise are just coping. I couldn't give to shits where science came from, its self evident its better

[jesus No.15946795]

>>15946668
even second commandment says to trust only yourself.

[Anonymous No.15946816]

>>15946750
Written using a computer. Pray to Jesus for me to receive your reply instead

[Anonymous No.15946821]

>>15946702
>>15946774
ew. if you haven’t synthesizes both you are a midwit reactionary. scientoids don’t understand that they make philosophical prepositions all the time without actually thinking about it and therefor create shitty boiled down basic bitch ideas, and thats why they are largely just faggots who do what an actual administrator tells them to do. and philfags constantly ponder about theory without the practical know how to implement it, the exact opposite problem.

Philosophy provides the goal of a endeavor and science is the process to get to it in practice.

[Anonymous No.15946823]

>>15946668
Science > Philosophy and religion

[Anonymous No.15946843]

>>15946702
Fuck off reddit

[Anonymous No.15946853]

>>15946774
Scientifically define "better"

[Anonymous No.15946864]

>>15946774
>>15946816
read anything about the egyptians, their science sprang from their mythopoesis and theology and was subservient to it

[Anonymous No.15946865]

>>15946702
How could it be better if it deals with fundamentally different questions

[Anonymous No.15946871]

>>15946774
Bing bing wahooooo!!!!

I frickin love science bros!!! its so cool!!!

[Anonymous No.15946904]

>>15946853
>haha bro lets play semantics

You semantic niggers are the most annoying and useless people on this earth

[Anonymous No.15946907]

>>15946865
i wouldnt say they deal with different questions, science just assumes an epistemological dogma and sticks with it, basically a lesser and false ''faith'' (more of a belief than faith but the fundamentalism from some religious fanatics echoes there).

[Anonymous No.15946925]

>>15946904
>cant define a basic word to make your stance logically coherent
y-you semantics niggers!

[Anonymous No.15946936]

>>15946816
written using a computer, thanks to microscopic technology improvements thanks to improvement in optics thanks to medieval christians who were the ground of science and made significant improvements in optics, thanks to millennia of discussions about epistemology

[Anonymous No.15946992]

>>15946925
You can deconstruct things ad infinitum, I ain't playing your game faggot

[Anonymous No.15947003]

>>15946702
Science is a religion

[Anonymous No.15947004]

>>15946992
Defining a word isn't a deconstruction

[Anonymous No.15947006]

>>15946668

>Said, while using the fruits of Science to communicate his retarded cope to others

Come talk to me when the bible leads you to create the next space engine, retard.

[Anonymous No.15947007]

>>15946668
Roger Bacon was fine, retard. It was William of Ockham that ruined Western civilization with his nominalist fideism.


>>15946702
>>15946823
You are just as retarded as OP.

[Anonymous No.15947027]

>>15946774
>>15946816
science is so much better that it can't even understand how a virus behaves lol, look at the current situation with corona, modern scientists are lost and avowing implementations of wholly unscientific procedures never imposed in all human history. this is enough to ban modern science and enjail bugmen like you

[Anonymous No.15947036]

>Omg I fucking love science, omg science has like solved all the worlds problems
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[Anonymous No.15947075]

>>15946843
based for calling out these faggots

[Anonymous No.15947081]

>>15946702
Fucking based

[Anonymous No.15947158]

>>15946750
Science sprang from philosophy, religion is the dogmatisation of philosophy to appeal to the masses. God is real, but God isn’t some anthropomorphic Jewish guy

[Anonymous No.15947204]

>>15947158
again, read anything about the egyptians. their science was subservient and functioned based on theological principles, philosophy was a lesser intellectual activity. science only works within established dogmas, philosophy is inquiries and search for dogmas. i know you have the conception of dogma as any religious moralism, but you could understand dogmas as metaphysical, theological principles.
also anthropomorphization is different from humanization.

[Anonymous No.15947779]

>>15946702
Based soulless Anglo

[Anonymous No.15947790]

>>15947204
And do we use ancient egyptian science? Or are you one of those that thinks the pyramids are radio towers or whatever. Theology and metaphysics are made up

[Anonymous No.15947859]

>>15947790
>And do we use ancient egyptian science?
yes, geometry, medicine, astronomy, to cite a few, were highly developed in ancient egyptian civilization

>Theology and metaphysics are made up
how if the ancients based their science on it? their worldview and praxis precisely because of theology/metaphysics formed a coherent ''system'' which sustained their civilization for MILLENNIA.
modern science on the other hand....

[Anonymous No.15947891]

>>15947859
The best they managed was a big pile of rocks. There is no connection between modern science and the ancient egyptians. As far as being based on theology or metaphysics the theology and metaphysics were made up after the practical application they were meant to explain. Metaphysics has zero explanatory power in the real world if it did it wouldn't be called metaphysics it would be physics

[Anonymous No.15948060]

>>15947891
Im not entering into discussions concerning metaphysics itself, but all traditional civilizations were grounded on metaphysical principles, very much like our own reality is grounded on a non-rational reality.
>the theology and metaphysics were made up after practical application
No, ignoramus. This is not even what metaphysics and theology imply (it is rather the opposite), you are reversing the order of how things work to suit your belief. Just open any book on egyptian, hindu tradition and you will see how their sciences don’t explain anything in themselves, but work in accordance to their theologies (egyptians didn’t even think matter was physical, nature for them was supernatural).
Nothing developed in time is developed out of joint, specially science. It is too tiring to deal with people like you who have never read anything but want all things to suit their fanciful worldview. Just another victim.

[Anonymous No.15948072]

>>15947891
>Metaphysics has zero explanatory power in the real world if it did it wouldn't be called metaphysics it would be physics
holy based

[Anonymous No.15948089]

>>15947891
>>15948072
What does physics explain? It is a set of observational formulae about how bodies behave. It does not explain bodies themselves.

[Anonymous No.15948092]

>>15948060
No you are reversing the order of how things work to try to suit your beliefs. Metaphysics and theology are useless for everyday life and only made up after a society has developed in order to justify whatever arbitrary customs they've adopted.

>nature for them was supernatural
Gibberish

[Anonymous No.15948112]

>>15948089
This "explanation" or search for mechanism doesn't exist in science, if the theory accurately predicts the observations it is accepted regardless of whether you feel it "explains" something. What you really mean by explanation is something that accords with your intuitions but reality doesn't have to do that.

[Anonymous No.15948119]

>>15948092
>no u
the absolute state, lmao
as i said, just open a book on the subject, peabrain. that's how traditional civs worked.

>useless for everyday life
ground of morality and ethics is useless, for example? just to cite a single natural reflection of theological/metaphysical inquiry

>gibberish
read a book

[Anonymous No.15948161]

>>15948112
>accuses metaphysical inquiry of not explaining anything
>this explanation doesn't exist in science
besides this ironic retardation, this is false. modern science has reached a subversion to the point of having literally systems of our reality, predictions and soteriological-like theories. modern science is a cult.

>something that accords with your intuitions
isn't it a fact that reality is grounded on non-rational principles? what do you think theology and metaphysics are?

[Anonymous No.15948170]

>>15948119
There is no ground for morality, objective morality doesn't exist. Morality is a sociological construct of the culture it developed in and theology and metaphysics are developed to lend some authority to whatever arbitrary laws are there

[Anonymous No.15948188]

>>15948170

>He thinks morality is not an expression of epigenetics

MASSIVE RETARD ALERT

[Anonymous No.15948205]

>>15948161
I accuse metaphysics of not being able to predict shit which it can't and science can.

>isn't it a fact that reality is grounded on non-rational principles?
Not intuitive doesn't mean non-rational. That's the state of your woo woo reasoning "I feel it intuitively so it must be rational."

[Anonymous No.15948216]

>>15948188
>He thinks morality is an expression of epigenetics
>>15948170
>He thinks morality is a sociological construct

[Anonymous No.15948250]

>>15948170
>reversing the natural order of things again
yeah you are a retard and there is no point in continuing our conversation

[Anonymous No.15948287]

>>15948205
are you even reading what i post? metaphysics is not something developed in time like science, it is the ground upon which things develop.

>Not intuitive doesn't mean non-rational.. "I feel it intuitively so it must be rational."
retard learn how to read, intuition is not rational and that is my point

[Anonymous No.15948313]

>>15948250
Guenon has fried your brain. There is no evidence at all of any culture that has developed according to some metaphysical master plan. You're the equivalent of an ancient aliens fan and there is probably a lot of overlap between you.

[Anonymous No.15948356]

>>15948287
Just screaming metaphysics is the ground over and over doesn't change the fact that metaphysics is developed in a cultural context in all known historical civilizations. Metaphysics is a decoration not the ground.

>retard learn how to read, intuition is not rational and that is my point
So your saying reality is grounded on intuitive principles? Shit no it's not this is more Guenon crap. My suggestion is read more books and don't get memed into believing a quack

[Anonymous No.15948358]

>>15948313
>there is no evidence
look at even the way you have been talking in this thread, and you have the nerve to tell other people they have their brains fried, lol.
i will tell you this a last time: read a book you massive retard, do you want recommendations? are you too ashamed to ask for it?

[Anonymous No.15948398]

>>15948356
metaphysics points, describes, revolve around the non-rational (nonrational as in SUPRA-rational) kernel of reality and it is developed in time because it is what time implies and that is what i said in three or four posts of mine in this thread, but apparently you are too much of a mentally handicapped retard to be able to read properly.
seriously it makes no sense in talking to an illiterate person

[Anonymous No.15948420]

>>15948398
This is gibberish that no one besides a Guenon fanatic would accept as meaningful. Enjoy being a laughing stock

[Anonymous No.15948455]

>>15948356
>makes a metaphysical claim to refute independent standing of metaphysics

[Anonymous No.15948471]

>>15948420
Is causality a sociological construct?

[Anonymous No.15948485]

>>15946821
>ew. if you haven’t synthesizes both you are a midwit reactionary. scientoids don’t understand that they make philosophical prepositions all the time without actually thinking about it and therefor create shitty boiled down basic bitch ideas, and thats why they are largely just faggots who do what an actual administrator tells them to do. and philfags constantly ponder about theory without the practical know how to implement it, the exact opposite problem.

>Philosophy provides the goal of a endeavor and science is the process to get to it in practice.

[Anonymous No.15948576]

>>15948420
repeating guénon only proves how ignorant you are of the issue here. again, read any book on ancient egypt, hinduism, platonism, christianity

[Anonymous No.15948591]

>>15948576
The SUPRA-rational crap is highly specific to Guenon

[Anonymous No.15948597]

>NOOO you can't just trust Aristotle and share in his fervent belief in the gods!!!!
>you have to add le ebin bible to your worldview!!!

[Anonymous No.15948600]

>>15948576
But muh funny meme man

[Anonymous No.15948620]

>>15948591
Supra rational is non rational which was the term i was employing here but you were too mentally defect to understand so i employed its synonymous, besides it is funny how you think everything revolves around guénon and none has ever employed the term. you are simply mentally ill.

[Anonymous No.15948624]

>>15946668
Based
>>15946702
Cringe

[Anonymous No.15948639]

>>15948591
>>15948620
just proving how superficial and 4chan-based your entire ''intellectual'' horizon is.

[Anonymous No.15948665]

>>15948620
You wrote this
>metaphysics points, describes, revolve around the non-rational (nonrational as in SUPRA-rational) kernel of reality and it is developed in time because it is what time implies
I would be careful about accusations of mental illness

[Anonymous No.15948687]

>>15948639
What other philosopher repeats SUPRA-rational over and over and claim that ancient civilizations were based on some primordial metaphysics?

[Anonymous No.15948706]

>>15946668
one cringe ass statue

[Anonymous No.15948724]

>French, having become hegemonic in Europe after the treaties of Westphalia in 1648, was a language in itself inconvenient, difficult, aristocratic, and literary, like Cicero's Latin or Lucian's Greek, inseparable, like its ancient ancestors from a bon ton in manners, from a certain bearing in society, and from a quality of wit, nourished on literature.
>whereas the English that prevails today and the world over is a vernacular and technological language dispensing with style altogether...now it is just summary, convenient, elementary, of a passive character...
>The great question, in the Enlightenment era, was the counterweight that only a Catholic, aristocratic, and royal France can and must oppose, on the Continent, the divisive and rapacious egoism of England, then observing its own political model, an original utilitarist philosophy and a science applicable to industry.

the bugmen won in the 18th ce

[Anonymous No.15948730]

>>15946774
science is a project that is founded upon a philosophical outlook

[Anonymous No.15948748]

>NOOOOOOO WHAT DO YOU MEAN THAT SCIENCE HAS A BETTER TRACK RECORD THAN PHILOSOPHY WITH ALL THINGS PERTAINING TO REALITY?!!! WHAT DO YOU MEAN OBSERVATION IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN BLINDLY BELIEVING A DESERT MANUAL AND ARMCHAIR SPECULATION ABOUT "REALITY"!!?? DIDN'T YOU KNOW THAT SCIENCE COMES FROM PHILOSOPHY BECAUSE SOME PHILOSOPHY MAN APPARENTLY INVENTED THE CONCEPT OF OBSERVATION EVEN THOUGH IT HAS BEEN AROUND FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS BEFORE HIM?!!!

[Anonymous No.15948777]

>>15948665
Yes I did and what is your point?

[Anonymous No.15948782]

>>15948777
If you can't tell how deranged that sentence sounds you're already to far gone

[Anonymous No.15948796]

>>15948687
All the platonists (orphics pythagoreans included), christians, advaitins, hermeticists, some idealists, most if not all mystics of any tradition. Will you ignore my pointing the identity between nonrational and suprarational and how you were too dumb to understand this even though i wrote explaining exactly this?

[Anonymous No.15948816]

>>15948782
You didn’t make a single affirmative claim in the entire thread, only retorted with literal >no u! responses and repeated over and over about guenon saying the same thing. Thats the thing, you have no point at all.

[Anonymous No.15948827]

>>15948796
None of them say exactly that Guenon just claims they do. You really need to read some more books you're making yourself look bad. And the commonly accepted word for not rational is irrational which you very much are

[Anonymous No.15948888]

>>15948827
Ok you’re just trolling at this point.

[Anonymous No.15948907]

>>15948888
I'm not. Prove me wrong disavow Guenon and his primordial tradition crap

[Anonymous No.15948922]

Art > Philosophy > Science > Religion

[Anonymous No.15948927]

>>15946774
Philosophy is a tier above science. Religion is a tier above philosophy.

[Anonymous No.15948930]

>>15946702
Wubba lubba dub dub

[Anonymous No.15949012]

>trying to include the bible in the same level as aristotle
christLARPers are all so tiring

[Anonymous No.15949045]

>>15946925
>NOOOOO WHY WONT U JUST PLAY MILLION QUESTIONS WITH ME
>STOOOOOPPPP

[Anonymous No.15949086]

>>15947027
>this one recent example from a specific branch of science urging caution is proof all science is wrong

[Anonymous No.15949098]

really liking this thread, especially the NOOOOposting

[Anonymous No.15949173]

>>15948600

>The trial of Mark Redwine, a Vallecito man accused of killing his 13-year-old son, Dylan, in 2012, has been reset to begin May 26 as the COVID-19 pandemic surges through Colorado and the rest of the country.

what the fuck is taking so long?

[Anonymous No.15949197]

>>15946668
Why should anyone just trust the Bible and Aristotle?

[Anonymous No.15949205]

>>15949197
he likes those

[Anonymous No.15949220]

>>15948927
This. There is no discussion.

[Anonymous No.15949233]

>>15946702
You're fucking retarded.
t. Anglo

[Anonymous No.15949241]

>>15948485
where am i wrong markiplier?

[Anonymous No.15949251]

>>15949086
>urging caution
They are supporting unscientific procedures, authoritarian impositions while deceiving people into believing it is all scientific. This is proof that modern science is a joke with no solid ground and an obvious political inclination.

[Anonymous No.15949264]

>>15949251
mask fake, christianity confirmed real

[Anonymous No.15949275]

>>15949251
Oh shit an anti-masker. This board is essentially the same as /x/

[Anonymous No.15949311]

>>15948748
how will philosophaggots ever recover?

[Anonymous No.15949462]

>>15949264
>>15949275
have anything to say about WHO contradicting itself all the time, how mainstream intrusctions on masks and the virus are all false?

[Anonymous No.15949503]

>>15949462
I drank the aquarium cleaner and injected bleach like Trump told me to

[Anonymous No.15949747]

>>15948724
idk, aristocratic english of the 17th to early 20th centry was pretty artistic and beautiful.

[Anonymous No.15949750]

>>15949747
cope you autistic cringe anglo bugman

[Anonymous No.15949851]

>>15946668

>There are actually people in this board that believe Science is worthless

[Anonymous No.15950207]

>>15946702
Based ancient catholic magician conjuring a foundation for space travel from the push of God.

[Anonymous No.15950334]

>>15950207
Holy fucking based

[Anonymous No.15950948]

>>15949173
Quick and speedy trial bro