Unable to Enjoy Fiction

[Anonymous No.15939787]

I am unable to enjoy Fiction. I've tried it, it bores me, if I am not learning something factual that teaches me more about the real world, I feel like its a waste of my time.
How does one become an enjoyed of fiction, and what fiction book would you recommend?

[Anonymous No.15939799]

>>15939787
>the real world
Spook. No wonder you're soulless autist.

[Anonymous No.15939803]

> he still reads

[Anonymous No.15939809]

>>15939803
what do you do? shitpost in the chans?

[Anonymous No.15939817]

>>15939787
Read what you like, respect what other people like and avoid what you don't like.

If you want a recommendation, try Calvino's Invisible Cities.

[Anonymous No.15939825]

>>15939787
Good fiction suggests questions instead of answers, you tend to learn more about yourself than the world.

[Anonymous No.15939830]

>>15939787
The redpill is reading both fiction and non-fiction

People who only read fiction are literal brainlets, and people who only read non-fiction are pseuds

[Anonymous No.15939863]

>>15939809
I make communion and destroy my enemies

[Anonymous No.15939867]

>>15939825

I just often find myself not getting any new insights from Fiction, I can predict the question it brings by its premise, and I am left unamused.
Perhaps the issue is that I am yet to find a captivating answer that sparks my curiosity.

>>15939817
>Calvino's Invisible Cities.
I'll give it a try right now

[Anonymous No.15939872]

I can only read fiction. With non-fiction I just get bored and put it down when I feel like I've got the "main points". I like memoirs though because they are basically novels.

[Anonymous No.15939902]

>>15939817
>respect what other people like
No, fuck other people.

[Anonymous No.15939924]

>>15939872

Doesn't the idea of learning factual things that help you better understand, and predict the world around you, interest you?

[Anonymous No.15939933]

>>15939867
>I can predict the question it brings by its premise
Sounds like you are reading YA/genre shit or romanticism/realism. What have you read?

[Anonymous No.15939942]

>>15939924

It does but when it gets into the details of it all and it goes on for hundreds of pages I just get bored. I just skim wikipedia articles when I want to learn something and then when I have the basics I tell myself I'm done with that topic.

[Anonymous No.15939950]

>>15939787
fiction is the best, for instance i would or could never read an entire book about whaling in the 1850's but after reading moby dick i know quite a bit about whaling in the 1850's fiction is just easily digestible and enjoyable information

[Anonymous No.15939951]

>>15939872
Have you tried reading history? I'm a fan of Antony Beevor's WW2 books. They're very exciting.

[Anonymous No.15939969]

>>15939933

My last three books I read were The Science of Storytelling, The Way of Men and Affective Neuroscience.

The last Fiction book I tried to read which bored me was Moby Dick. All the irrelevant details describing the sensory/emotional experiences of some fictional character bugged me deeply.

How does one get into something like Moby Dick without feeling like they are watching paint dry.

[Anonymous No.15939976]

>>15939787
If you enjoy history, you enjoy fiction.

[Anonymous No.15939984]

>>15939787
Congratulations, you're an adult male.

[Anonymous No.15939989]

>>15939942
He's not talking about reading an encyclopedia, dumb dumb

[Anonymous No.15939997]

>>15939984
soulless tired bugman*

[Anonymous No.15939998]

>>15939984

See, that's not true. Because, I have spent a lot of time doing my own Worldbuilding, fleshing characters, crafting their designs so I can roleplay them with other people online.
I spent more of my teenage years neck-deep in escapism.

Do you guys ever roleplay your own stories?

[Anonymous No.15940019]

>>15939799
hey yo whats up the outside is a spook and the self is actually a spook too since its literally nothing so basically nothing is real and i am not a total sophist.

[Anonymous No.15940021]

>>15939942

Well, that happens to me aswell when I don't have enough prior knowledge, or the topic doesn't fascinate me enough or I just don't have the IQ to process it without investing a stupid amount of Time. Like say, Mathematics.

[Anonymous No.15940029]

>>15939984
t. Hank Hill

[Anonymous No.15940030]

>>15939924
>predict the world around you
oh you are retarded

[Anonymous No.15940063]

>>15940030

I am certainly not the brightest person, but I am pretty sure the main purpose of story telling is to share patterns of information between each other so we can better prepare ourselves for surviving the real world.

So I don't get where you draw the conclusion I must be retarded from, care to elaborate?

[Anonymous No.15940097]

>>15939942
I feel the same way. I can't get into any non-fiction because most of them are too focused on narrative and worthless exposition so they end up reading like bad fiction anyways. Example is Richard Rhodes who wrote an entire book about the atomic bomb but I can't stand his writing style so I just read wikipedia instead.

[Anonymous No.15940127]

>>15939787
cringe bugman without a life of the mind

[Anonymous No.15940172]

>>15940127

How does one acquire a life of the mind?

[Anonymous No.15940195]

>>15939787
>>15939924
Both Fiction and Non-Fiction are important.
Aristotle says this in the poetics
>The poet and the historian differ not by writing in verse or in prose. The work of Herodotus might be put into verse, and it would still be a species of history, with meter no less than without it. The true difference is that one relates what has happened, the other what may happen. Poetry, therefore, is a more philosophical and a higher thing than history: for poetry tends to express the universal, history the particular.

[Anonymous No.15940198]

>>15939969
>Moby Dick
Yeah, it is ultimately just a very well writen adventure novel, has some things to say on man, but a good chunk is just there for the ride. I would try some more modern works and perhaps making your next non-fiction book being something about the English language so you better understand and appreciate what the authors are doing. If the idea of reading fiction does interest you then start exploring, you will most likely find some niche that grabs your attention.

[Anonymous No.15940242]

>>15940198
>making your next non-fiction book being something about the English language

What'd you recommend?

[Anonymous No.15940267]

This type of thread is always the same, fags OPs don't even name the books they are reading. So OP what fiction books have you tried to read? and what non fictional books do you like?

>>15940172
I'LL SHOW YOU THE LIFE OF THE MIND

[Anonymous No.15940281]

>>15940267

Dude, I literally did that right here >>15939969
The last book fiction book I remember enjoying was ''Do Android Dream of Electric Sheep'' by Philip K Dick, but even that got dull at times

[Anonymous No.15940301]

>>15940242
If you like to understand the inner workings of things and do not mind books that are all business, Oxfords Modern English Grammar is great, will give you a very good understanding of the English Language. If you prefer something a bit more colorful some other anon may be able to chime in, a like my non-fiction dull, dense and too the point.

>>15940281
>Do Android Dream of Electric Sheep
What did you enjoy about it?

[Anonymous No.15940339]

I was like this before. Truth is I was too ignorant of fiction, I thought of fiction as Game of Thrones type of stuff. Then I read Crime and Punishment and Anna Karenina and never stopped reading novels. Do you not watch movies OP?

[Anonymous No.15940369]

>>15940301
>What did you enjoy about it?

I'd say, it was mostly the act of imagining those lucid-dream-like landscapes of a futuristic dystopia, where the beauty of advanced tech mixed with a dissociative state of mind.
It seems I am fascinated mostly by anything that has to do with peaking under the veil of reality, abstractly. The closest comparison I have for it, would be the movie ''Annhilation''

[Anonymous No.15940391]

>>15940339
>Do you not watch movies OP?

I have actually, I've been doing a personal project of watching best movies, and breaking them down to learn more about how they are put together by analyzing through what I learned in the book
''To Save a Cat''
''On Writing''
I don't disagree I am probably ignorant to most fiction books, I just don't really know where to start since everything I try bores me out

[Anonymous No.15940440]

>>15940391
you have to let go of your mechanistic understanding of things if you want to enjoy art to be honest. Art is meant to be felt. Watch Mulholland Drive that should shake you down.

[Anonymous No.15940467]

>>15939787
Read the Neetch, cure yourself of your positivism, and realize that there are truths that cannot be objectively measured.

[Anonymous No.15940506]

>>15940467
>realize that there are truths that cannot be objectively measured.

Can you name one?

[Anonymous No.15940519]

>>15940440

I think that need to understand the world and make sense of it is too tied into my identity to be able to break past it. I'll give the movie a go regardless.

[Anonymous No.15940523]

>>15940506
qualia

[Anonymous No.15940530]

What about fiction based in the real world? Hero of our time taught me a lot about Russian military and Georgian culture

[Anonymous No.15940566]

>>15940523

How is Qualia a truth that cannot be objectively measured?
Maybe we don't have the technological capability fo it at the moment, but every experience in the end is going to boil down to a mix of your genome, the way in which your neural networks developed as you grew, and your past crystallized memories (Experience).

I don't get the idea that there is ''Something'' that exists disconnected from everything else, and cannot be measured or quantified. Why would that even be a thing?
I don't get it

[Anonymous No.15940572]

>>15940519
>I think that need to understand the world and make sense of it is too tied into my identity to be able to break past it.
That's pretty much everyone here, what you do is not stop doing that, but instead integrate the other part into that theory of everything you are forming. I think the main goal to 'see' the world is lowering the amount of abstractions you put on top of it. How old are you? Not to be insulting but you sound like you are 18

[Anonymous No.15940579]

>>15939787
If you like shows/movies that are based on books those might make you feel like you are learning more about the worlds they are based in. Like got, lotr, star wars etc. I enjoy lotr books because i love the movies.

[Anonymous No.15940649]

>>15940572
>How old are you? Not to be insulting but you sound like you are 18
Doubt age is the factor, its more likely IQ which is clearly not very high.

[Anonymous No.15940664]

YOUR WAY OF EXPERIENCE IS GROUNDED ON A MENTAL STRUCTURE PROJECTED TO MAKE SENSE OF THE WORLD. ONE DOES NOT HAVE UNMEDIATED CONTACT WITH THE WORLD. MEASURES ARE PURELY HUMAN AND DO NOT TAKE PART IN THE THINGS IN THEMSELVES. OBJECTIVE MEANS THAT A BUNCH OF RETARDS AGREE TO IT. DO YOU NOT SEE THE AMBIGUITY OF MORALITY?

MEN MORE INTELLIGENT AND MORE ANALYTICALLY INCLINED THAN YOU HAVE BEEN INSPIRED BY NOVELS AND POETRY ALL OVER THE WORLD THROUGHOUT THE AGES.

[Anonymous No.15940675]

>>15940566
>Maybe we don't have the technological capability fo it at the moment, but every experience in the end is going to boil down to a mix of your genome, the way in which your neural networks developed as you grew, and your past crystallized memories (Experience).

>citation for this retard tier assertion needed.

[Anonymous No.15940685]

>>15940369
I would explore the post modernist, they are a wide ranging bunch, the previously mentioned Invisible Cities might be right up your alley, but it is maximalist, which is not for everyone. Surrealists might be worth looking into as well.

Proust's Rememberance of Things Past is pretty much a seven book long lucid-dream-like dissociative state of mind.

[Anonymous No.15940687]

>>15939787
How do you guys define non-fiction? Like, textbooks? You read about neuroscience, while you're not studying medicine or anything related?
You would pick up something like that because you like learning?

Do you understand how vague your motivation is? And you make something like that your personality?

Go on LinkedIn and scroll through the topics related to self-improvement, learning etc. Everyone and his mother has that mindset. And you use that to declare fiction as uninteresting?

[Anonymous No.15940824]

>>15940687
>Everyone and his mother has that mindset.

So you are saying I should read Fiction because that'll make me stand out, and special from everyone else. Specially those pesky business type people on Linkedin?
So my motivation is just being different from others?
My personality is based on much I am not like others?
You mean there is no value in understand how the human brain works, if you are not heading towards becoming a Neuroscientist, Surgeon or Doctor?

Woah

[Anonymous No.15940881]

>>15940675

So you are saying, that you think the human brain and the individual subjective experience of consciousness are not based on the inner structure of the brain, and that it instead exists outside of itself.

[Anonymous No.15940891]

>>15939787
>if I am not learning something
fiction teaches you storytelling

[Anonymous No.15940903]

>>15940891

Fair enough, I'll agree on that.

[Anonymous No.15941092]

>>15940824
I said that your motivation is vague, and most likely based on ideology. I was wondering why you're using that vague motivation to declare fiction as uninteresting.

I didn't say anything about being special.
I didn't say directly that all your learning should be aimed towards a career goal.
I didn't tell you to read fiction. You can drown in your textbooks, for all I care.

It's literally written in my first post. I'm just repeating myself here. So I'm wondering, why you're using a poor copy of Tom Wolfe's "me" generation self-improvement jogger mentality, to declare fiction as uninteresting. You could, for example, make that argument, by writing a critique of fiction alone, without comparing it to something. BUT THAT WOULD REQUIRE EFFORT.

The way you argue is shit. Maybe you should read a non-fiction book about how to win every argument or something similar. Maybe you already did. Chapter 4, start every sentence with "so, you are saying", that will show him.

[Anonymous No.15941121]

>>15940881
Consciousness precedes material reality yes. As has been known for thousands of years. Get out of the dualist paradigm. We have more secure knowledge of our mind than of our brain

[Anonymous No.15941132]

>>15941092

Thing is, I never said fiction is uninteresting, or that it lacks value. I said, that I personally cannot find enjoyment in it, and then I asked people to give me their recommendations based on previous works of fiction, and non-fiction that I have enjoyed, in the hopes I'd be pointed towards a work that does not bore me.

I'd love to learn to critique fiction, tho. Any recommendations?

[Anonymous No.15941149]

>>15941092
So you're saying we should kill all the blacks and elect lobsters to parliament?

[Anonymous No.15941184]

I was like this when I first got into reading to "better myself and understanding". But then I realized certain stories, myths, and tales can convey the human experience much better then a dry to the point factual read as we don't exactly understand ourselves through history or science alone.

[Anonymous No.15941209]

reading great authors gives you a better understanding of humanity than every psychology or sociology books ever will

[Anonymous No.15941227]

>>15941184

Yeah, I get that. Maps of meaning, and all that shit. It just seems like Fiction is constantly repeating the same patterns/stories, and it gets boring.
How many fucking times are we going to tell each other the same stories over, and over again changing a bit of detail here and there, and pretending is a completely new, and amazing work of art?
I feel stuck. I want to know reality at its deepest level, not ponder over the same questions we have for millennia, constantly forgetting, and rediscovering the same bullshit under a different title, character names, or setting.

[Anonymous No.15941243]

>>15941227
I can understand that fustration. How do you feel about philosophy? I find philosophical works can help ease the desire to know absolute truth but be unbale to.

[Anonymous No.15941312]

>>15941243

It feels like smoking a cigarette to fix a nicotine craving, it feels good for a while, but then withdrawal hits you. The only cope I find is hoping that cybernetic enhancements on a massive scale will bring humanity into a level, where we can push past these biological limits that shackle us down and bring forth a new age of knowledge.
I feel like a patient with Alzheimer's, humanity as a whole feels like it.

What philosophical works would you recommend?

[Anonymous No.15941333]

>>15940675
whats the y axis?

[Anonymous No.15941351]

>soulless NPC cannot enjoy fiction

[Anonymous No.15941384]

>>15941351

I swear NPC is mostly a term used by right-wingers to refer to leftists, a demographic which is well known for enjoying fiction a bit way too much.
Commit Make Sense

[Anonymous No.15941400]

>>15941384
>I swear NPC is mostly a term used by right-wingers to refer to leftists, a demographic which is well known for enjoying fiction a bit way too much.

[Anonymous No.15941401]

>>15939787
>I am unable to enjoy Fiction

Have you read Lolita, Dune, Metamorphosis, Frankenstein, Anna Karenina, Crime and Punishment, or The Count of Monte Cristo?

[Anonymous No.15941404]

>>15941384
its the midwit filter, fiction is great but not in a "ready player one" orgy of references way

[Anonymous No.15941415]

>>15941401

No, but I am going to. Currently downloading Mulholland Drive, to watch it. Also going to read every single book recommended by Anons in this thread, yours included.

[Anonymous No.15941417]

Is reality just fiction made manifest?

[Anonymous No.15941433]

>>15939787
>if I am not learning something factual that teaches me more about the real world
if you think that non fiction does this but fixripn is incapable of it then you are deranged. fiction is, just like non fiction, the opinion and observations of the author. fiction is even better than non fiction in most cases since it is also more pften than not more enjoyable to read. there are numerous works of fiction that teach you better about life than most works of non fiction

[Anonymous No.15941449]

how many generations must positivism spiritually ruin?

[Anonymous No.15941450]

>>15941384
It's literally a stereotype defining people who just repeat what they are told and form no opinions themselves. It fits a lot of people on both sides, but remember, there are far more than just "left" and "right".

Only a sith deals in absolutes.

[Anonymous No.15941467]

>>15941404
I enjoyed the film quite a bit, although it felt a bit rushed as adaptations tend to feel. I've heard that the book is kind of pretentious and insufferable in the references.

[Anonymous No.15941475]

>>15941450
>Only a sith deals in absolutes.

is this the greatest line since "nothing is truth"?

[Anonymous No.15941502]

>>15941415
If you're a moviegoer, I recommend Dune as your first fiction. It is a highly cinematic book. I never really thought I could be enthralled by fight scenes or high-tense scenes in non-visual media until I read it. The dialogue is also great. I do recommend familiarizing yourself with the Dune lore a bit before starting (mainly, what the bene gesserit are and their goal).

[Anonymous No.15941514]

>>15939867
Invisible Cities is great and has a dreamlike quality throughout the book. However, if OP was srs (and not just some pasta that I half-remember), then it probably wouldn't suit him. "If on a winter's night..." is more directly engaging and shows how Calvino has mastered many different worldwide literary styles. Some historical fiction, like "I, Claudius" or even the Finn MacCool parts of "At Swim-Two-Birds," would probably be more up his alley.

[Anonymous No.15941536]

>>15941449

What do you mean by Spirituality?

[Anonymous No.15941542]

>>15939969
Moby Dick has some of the best-written prose in the English language. How any native speaker can fail to appreciate it is beyond me. It's also hilarious.
>Alas! poor butterless Flask!

[Anonymous No.15941552]

>>15940172
Just listen to this: https://youtu.be/-bF6NR6TstU

>>15940267
Took the words out of my fingers.

[Anonymous No.15941554]

>>15941542
>>15941514

So, is that what you enjoy about fiction. How well the literary rules are applied, rather than the ideas expressed in it?

[Anonymous No.15941569]

>>15939787

Try something like Storm of Steel. It's a factual account of WWI, but it's told as a story.

[Anonymous No.15941571]

>>15940195
>Both Fiction and Non-Fiction are important

I agree with that, but Aristotle, in that part of the Poetics, is practically shitting on Herodotus and any literal approch to history.

[Anonymous No.15941597]

>>15941467
>pretentious and insufferable in the references
Hardly, the guy barely read the Wikipedia articles on the video games, movies and books he chose to reference. It's more like some of the desperation seen throughout "geek" culture of hipster fucking normalfags trying to fit in so that they could subvert and remove any semblance of gatekeeping and quality control.

[Anonymous No.15941620]

>Movies:

Dekalog
Blue, White, Red
Before Sunrise, Before Sunset, Before Midnight
The Breakfast Club
Dogville
The Hours
2001: A Space Odyssey
A Clockwork Orange
Annie Hall
Zelig
Barry Lyndon
Amadeus
Watership Down
Only Yesterday
Tale of Princess Kaguya
L'Illusionist (2010)
Once Upon a Time in Hollywood
Tully

[Anonymous No.15941629]

>>15941620
Fuck, I forgot:

8 1/2

[Anonymous No.15941633]

>>15941552

I listened to it. Whatever experiences you have anchored to that song, are not being transmitted to me.
But since you shared a song, I will too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIPCr8pcKKo

[Anonymous No.15941645]

>>15941597
I suppose I could have expanded, I more meant that the book was effectively just lists upon lists of references, not that they were particularly deep or thoughtful references. So I definitely believe what you say in that he probably just used wikipedia like a thesaurus for "geek" culture.

[Anonymous No.15941656]

>>15941502

That'll be the next movie I watch after Mulholland Drive, thanks for the suggestion. I'll do some research on the lore beforehand.

[Anonymous No.15941682]

>>15941645
Oh yeah, there's plenty of passages where he condescendingly explains content that anyone even passingly familiar with genre fiction of any medium would know.

[Anonymous No.15941701]

>>15939787
>I am unable to enjoy Fiction. I've tried it, it bores me, if I am not learning something factual that teaches me more about the real world, I feel like its a waste of my time.
Imagine thinking that you can't learn anything from fiction. top kek.

[Anonymous No.15941705]

>>15941620
>Once Upon a Time in Hollywood

post discarded

[Anonymous No.15941715]

>>15941552
Wtf is that shit? Sounds like a very dull Madvillain combinated with some Powerpuff Girls intro.

If you're gonna post music, post the good stuff:

https://youtu.be/vKNZqM0d-xo

[Anonymous No.15941723]

>>15939787
It’s possible that you might be at least mildly autistic, but that’s not meant to be an insult. If you don’t understand it it’s possible you never will, but, if you insist on trying to let it “click” then I suggest don’t go into the attitude of it being pure entertainment or pure learning. Fiction speaks on the human condition and the human spirit. It is a window into the human interior. If you have no interest in this or else find me pretentious or even ridiculous, then simply ignore me and accept my most humble of apologies.

[Anonymous No.15941725]

>>15941536
>asking for definitions

not going to make it

[Anonymous No.15941758]

>>15941723

I don't find you pretentious, or ridiculous. I understand what you are saying, I see the value in the fictional stories we tell each other as a way to describe patterns we've experienced in real life, in a way that is not tied down by details, as a way to make it easier for a larger audience to appreciate it, and integrate it into their own experiences.

What I am saying is that, most fucking fiction has patterns are are boring as fuck

[Anonymous No.15941796]

>>15941633
You may find this enjoyable, anon:

https://youtu.be/uTVNJWThv38

[Anonymous No.15941872]

>>15941796

I do, I can relate to that feeling of dread, and suffocation. Got any more?

[Anonymous No.15941885]

>>15941758

Then go read some post-modern schizo bullshit you pseud.

>Hurr the hero dies at the end so boring

Everyone dies at the end retard, it's what makes it relatable. Grow a soul.

[Anonymous No.15941887]

>>15941450
>only a sith deals in absolutes
So began the rise of Darth Kenobi.

[Anonymous No.15941890]

>>15941872

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFcS3nbHCCM

[Anonymous No.15941898]

>>15939787
>>15939867
Fiction isn't reducible to facts. It's a different format. Let your mind be tugged along by what is fed to it, to develop a world in your mind that can be far beyond or below the intentions of the writer, much less reducible facts they put in if they put in any at all.

[Anonymous No.15941902]

>>15941571
I think out of context that sentence can still shed light on a reason why fiction is important. Poetics definitely shows the cultural/technological divide between the ancient Greeks and us. Imagine what Aristotle would think of a video camera.

>>15941758
This is a very broad statement, what do you mean? The heroes journey? Non-fiction has patterns also. The driest of the dry non-fiction in STEM fields follows a technical writing format that is the same for millions of papers. Refer to the quote from Aristotle in that fiction can be and is more than descriptive of history.

If you have read so much fiction that the "pattern" is way overdone, maybe try some post modern literature? The meme trilogy and specifically GR, maybe even Finnegans Wake. They are unlike any fiction you have read before.

[Anonymous No.15941903]

>>15941885
>Then go read some post-modern schizo bullshit you pseud.
What'd you recommend?
>Everyone dies at the end retard, it's what makes it relatable. Grow a soul.
I have no issues relating to characters and their suffering. I just yearn for more, and I don't know where I can find it

[Anonymous No.15941904]

>>15941554
>It often seems to me that of all the good things in the world, the only ones humanity can claim for itself are stories and music; the rest, mercy, beauty, sleep, clean water and hot food [...] are all the work of the [Holy Spirit]. Thus, stories are small things indeed in the scheme of the universe, but it is hard not to love best what is our own.
And I would argue that music has its precedents in birdsong and other corners of the natural world, so all we can claim as rightfully ours are stories.
>literary rules
Lmao, what? Calvino skips rope with so-called literary rules. Fiction is about entertainment and about expressing truths that can only be approached though metaphor. Plato understood this limitation well, as did Kierkegaard.

>>15941633
It was a joke, my autistic friend — one already made by >>15940267. But I'm playing a racing game and your Ninja Tune track is very sick for driving, so thank you.

[Anonymous No.15941918]

>>15941715
>good stuff
>posts Dave Brubeck, the safest "jazz" musician of his era
I already know you can't follow a conversation, since the joke was how anon could acquire "the life of the mind."

[Anonymous No.15941951]

>>15941872
This one's very long, but it's worth it. Listen to it without rush in a suitable enviorment.

https://youtu.be/cQcE4_7-X78

This is just soooo good:
https://youtu.be/nlcZYOENgcQ

And this is a kind of happy stuff:
https://youtu.be/49cwYNVIu5E

[Anonymous No.15941954]

>>15941902
>If you have read so much fiction that the "pattern" is way overdone, maybe try some post modern literature? The meme trilogy and specifically GR, maybe even Finnegans Wake. They are unlike any fiction you have read before.

Ok, sure. I'll give those a try.

[Anonymous No.15941973]

>>15941890
This is silly and boring.

This is real darkness:
https://youtu.be/BLOKmaFlysM

[Anonymous No.15941984]

>>15941902
Aristotle talked about television in the Poetics. He says he hated episodical stories (like Euripides worst plays, I assume).

[Anonymous No.15941985]

>>15941973

>The most defining black metal album ever
>Silly and boring

Ok retard, enjoy putting reverb over 2 chords.

[Anonymous No.15942005]

>>15941918
>I can't enjoy music.
"Safe" doesn't equal bad and "experimental" doesn't equal good.

And a bad joke isn't an excuse to post tedious music.

[Anonymous No.15942015]

>>15941985
I suppose black metal is just silly and boring.

[Anonymous No.15942055]

OP here, watching Mulholland Drive at the moment.

I am liking it so far. Thanks to however recommended it.

[Anonymous No.15942082]

>>15942005
I do not want a lecture on music from someone who genuinely thinks Dave Brubeck is a paradigm of good music. And yes, "safe" does equal bad in the context of jazz — a genre defined by its experimentation and improvisation. Is all "experimental" music good? By no means. Is Dave Brubeck talented? Of course. Do I enjoy listening to his Koto song from time to time? Sure. But the arrogance of you to condescend to me over your distaste of Luke Vibert (who is, by any account, a talented musician himself) while championing Dave fucking Brubeck is unrivaled. My initial post was a joke and you need to deflate your distended ego for a moment to realize it.

[Anonymous No.15942133]

You need to understand that, in a way, good fiction is also informative. However, rather than conveying the author's ideas directly, it does so by means of characters and stories, so you have a more "concrete", "applied" version of these viewpoints than you would a purely theorerical approach.

[Anonymous No.15942242]

>>15942082
Where did I say Brubeck was a paradigm? I just believe that the song I posted is an enjoyable song and, therefore, much better than the song you posted. It seems like you aren't listening to the music, but repeating words about what's good or bad according to other authors.

Of course I knew it was a joke, the thing is that I think it wasn't a funny joke at all. But that's another subject. The reason why I'm arguing with you is because I had the impresion that, even if it was a joke, you think The Life of the Mind is a good song. I don't know about Luke Vibert other songs, they may be good, but that one you posted was not. It's uninspired, like a fake intention.

[Anonymous No.15942349]

>>15942055
Anon, you seem interested in the "big" questions in life. I've found philosophy and fiction to provide the most satisfaction on this front, I am not nearly as interested in math and science as a way to find answers as I was in university. I developed a good basic understanding of physics and maths there and eventually I found that while I was enjoying the discovery of interesting ideas or concepts, none of these things impacted my internal life in any meaningful way. The benefit provided by fiction is very hard to pin-point but I would describe it as coaxing you into a different mode of thinking. It's also very hit-and-miss, one person may get lots out of a particular book, while another person finds nothing.

Some fiction that I have really enjoyed in this respect are Fictions by Borges, 100 Years of Solitude by Marques and Magic Mountain by Mann. Magic Mountain has more explicit themes about death and subjectivity of experience but the other two are very hard to pin down, for me anyway.

[Anonymous No.15942441]

>>15942349

What did you study in Uni?

[Anonymous No.15942444]

>>15941758
I believe that this interpretation, that fiction helps humans portray the patterns of life, is true, but is still just too surface level to full capture the beauty of fiction. Fiction can separate us from the realities of life like no other medium can. In that world of the abstract, the humanness of art becomes the focus and truly delves us into a world born in ours (and in many ways a reflection of ours), but totally separate from it also. The world of the author him or herself, created but also betraying the author. Speaking for itself in the language the author has given their creation.

[Anonymous No.15942448]

>>15942441
Physics and engineering, I work as an engineer now.

[Anonymous No.15942452]

>>15942448
Makes sense.

[Anonymous No.15942481]

>>15942448

What kind of Engineering?
Do you enjoy it?

[Anonymous No.15942647]

>>15942481
Mining industry as a mechanical engineer. Some days it's "just a job" but mostly I enjoy it. I get to work relatively independently, can challenge myself and the skill/progression ceiling is very high.

[Anonymous No.15942727]

>>15939787
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6xuh8v98r8

[Anonymous No.15942779]

>>15939787
Anon, I think you might be autistic

[Anonymous No.15942912]

>>15939787
You don't enjoy fiction because you're trying to get something out of it. Unless you're studying music, I don't believe you have a goal in mind when you're listening to it. Well, the same works for ficiton.

[Anonymous No.15943871]

If you can’t learn from classical fiction you’re a brainlet.

/thread

[Anonymous No.15944098]

>>15941312
I mean what you say here sounds like you would appreciate some philosophy. I used to only be interested in reading pop science (theoretical physics shit), but then I started reading Philosophy and eventually found my way into classic fiction.

[Anonymous No.15944110]

>>15939787
I recommend Motorman.

[Anonymous No.15944116]

>>15941312
> The only cope I find is hoping that cybernetic enhancements on a massive scale will bring humanity into a level, where we can push past these biological limits that shackle us down and bring forth a new age of knowledge.

You should read Kant

[Anonymous No.15945007]

>>15939787
Learn another language and justify reading fiction by reading books in that language for practice,

[Anonymous No.15945554]

Fiction is for women and homosexuals change my mind

[Anonymous No.15946769]

>>15939969
>All the irrelevant details describing the sensory/emotional experiences of some fictional character
You sound unironically autistic. Try fiction written by autistic authors, you may enjoy it more.

[Anonymous No.15946826]

>>15939787
Honestly, I would suggest Neal Stephenson to you. Read Cryptonomicon, and you'll learn a thing or two about cryptography. The Baroque Trilogy, and you'll learn stuff like early enlightenment philosophy and finance and banking. The Mongoliad is all about medieval martial arts, Anathem has logic and rhetoric, Seveneves has orbital mechanics and other space physics, etc, etc.

Snow Crash is just cool but you should probably not trust its take on virtual reality, neurolinguistic programming OR sumerian myth.