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well /lit/, was it autism?

>> No.15937419
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>>15937368
>book about a kid liking to watch his mom get fucked by sailors and torture kittens to death
>tells an audience of 100 million that are largely children to read it
How does he keep getting away with it?

>> No.15937449

Glory, as we all know, is bitter stuff.

>> No.15937533

>>15937368
what's the best translation, thinking of getting it soon?

>> No.15937646

>>15937533
i read the version in the OP, was pretty good and just a few typos.

but seriously it seemed kinda retarded and unrealistic how noboru and his gang behaved. was mishima poking fun of pretentious hobby philosophers here or were they some kind of self insert?

>> No.15937663

>>15937646
>unrealistic
yeah filtered

>> No.15937717

>>15937419
stop posting yourself on this site and instead put the dogwhistle in todays video. remember: "A screaming comes over the sky"

>> No.15937766

>>15937663
they didn't seem like real characters. anyways, if you understand so wrll this book, please explain it to me

>> No.15937833

>>15937766
No, there are plenty of fucked up kids, though their pseudo-intellectual dialogue seemed pretty forced at times.

>> No.15937858

>>15937833
Only the group's leader was an edgelord the other kids except noboru were fine and just tagged along

>> No.15937882

>>15937858
>kill a baby animal in a pretty personal manner for virtually no reason other than the "chief" telling them it's important and freeing
>fine

>> No.15937914

>>15937833
i know there are fucked up edgelord kids but i think every author does something for a reason and i did not understand why mishima made 13 year old boys talk like this and it took me out of it every time it happened. it didn't make any sense to me but i assume he did this on purpose

>> No.15937949

>>15937419
So its a book for edgy teen retards? I'm guessing yes since you posted a pewdiepie picture as well. Thank for showing me I should never read this book anon, I commend you.

>> No.15938297

>>15937914
Are you this stupid, really? The boys want to be adults, like many children, that's why they imitate their dream image of adult for example in the way they speak. Behavior of the sailor, who they imagined as cruel macho adventurer, shatters their illusion. That's why they kill him, becouse it reminds them they do not live in reality, but in illusion.

>> No.15938606

>>15937882
>he didn't kill animals with his friends as a kid

>> No.15938769

At first I thought the kids are the stupid ones and the sailor shows the wisdom of coming age. Then I read about the author and I am not so sure anymore.

>> No.15938902

>>15938297
>Are you this stupid, really?
probably
>The boys want to be adults
then why do they always repeat their disdain for them?
>Behavior of the sailor, who they imagined as cruel macho adventurer, shatters their illusion.
i got that
>That's why they kill him, becouse it reminds them they do not live in reality, but in illusion.
i thought it was because they wanted to retain some of his 'glory' as a sailor, that's why he should wear his sailors uniform, but your explanation sounds better.

but i've also read that the boys are some sort of self insert of mishima as the sailor clearly stands for old japan and noboru's mother for a westernized japan and the boys/mishima want the sailor/japan to stay as is. if that were the case, why would he make noboru and his gang so unlikeable, so pseudo-intellectual? either mishima himself or this interpretation are retarded

>> No.15938920

just finished this, came to /lit/ to post a thread
>>15938297
They dont want to be adults, didnt the leader say how when theyre older theyll just turn into fathers and be despicable like their fathers? comparing to the sea of fertility and his suicide, it seems like mishima really believes that the world of post-war japan is empty and unaesthetic because the people have given up manliness and glory and softened in the imposed new american system. so Ryuji definitely lives in an illusion but the kids fail to see through the illusion even though they think they do. The proper way to deal with the reality of the ugly world would be Isao from Runaway Horses, who embodies the old samurai spirit and chooses to die in an attack against the new modernity

>> No.15938932

>Expected lecture on Fascism in Post-war Japan
>Turns out it's just a Proto-Murakami novel about kids and cats.

wtf

>> No.15939674

I admit it is some years since I read it.
>>15938902
You said it. The boy is son of the mother, who represents westernized japan, but he idolises the old Japan. He is hypocrite. Similar to Kaczynski fans on /lit/, they despise texhnology, yet weren't it for it they wouldn't meet.

>> No.15939882

>>15938932
I really want to skin a cat now.

>> No.15940109

>>15937419
I don't know why this made me laugh so hard

>> No.15940949

>>15937949
You unironically should read it. Mishima has a wonderful prowess at the use of romantic language. When you read it, it feels more weird and disturbing then try hard edgy, which contrasts well with the romantic language.

The book is a metaphor with Mishima as the kid, the sailor as old Japan, and the kid's mom as new Japan.

>> No.15941399

>>15940949
but why does mishima use such an asshole as his self insert? i asked this multiple times now and it still doesn't make any sense. i get that you want to try to be a bit neutral but noboru and his gang are deranged, psychopathic tryhards

>> No.15941613

>>15941399
not him, but i think its because noburo isnt supposed to be correct, or the good guy. he's the crude formulation of conceitedness and anger towards a legitimate target which is why he's a young kid. I seriously doubt noburo is a full-on self insert, but is probably based on his younger self with disgust at the modern Japan that is poorly formulated, but becomes 'perfected' in mishimas later characters like Isao

>> No.15941628
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anyone know where this is from?

>> No.15941694

>>15941628
never mind, it's from Mishima, Aesthetic Terrorist

>> No.15941708

>>15941613
His introductory description is literally "at age 13 Noburu thought he knew everything."

>> No.15941811

>>15941708
yeah, thats literally the point. just because he thinks he does doesnt mean he does. in fact that line basically is telling you noburo is not the author. if he was a simple self insert he wouldnt "think" he knew everything

>> No.15942077

>>15941811
I was agreeing with you and backing you up with a quote from the text.

>> No.15942495

>>15942077
well I sure am a retard.

>> No.15942829

>>15937368
Actually just finished it last night. 7.5/10. I liked it and I'll probably read a few more of his books. Which one should I read next?

Also, do you think they actually went through with killing Ryujin at the end?

>> No.15942985

>>15942829
Golden Temple is kind of similar, written after he watched the trial of the dude that actually burned the temple and tried to capture his motivations. Sea of Fertility tetrology is great though, especially the first 2 books. I'd start there, with Spring Snow

>> No.15943344

>>15942985
Thanks anon, I'll pick those up

>> No.15943434

>>15937368
normalfags can't appreciate Mishima

>> No.15943917

>>15937419
because he makes Youtube an unbelievable amount of money
They don't mind losing a couple of Alex Jones' to their virtue signalling but someone like Pewdiepie is basically bulletproof

>> No.15944237

>>15942985
Golden Temple has a great film called "Inflagration." Worth watching.

>> No.15944267

>>15943917
He literally said the nigger word and still came back.
basically youtube jesus (yes in the this analogy pewdiepie is jesus for saying nigger), meanwhile other people have been canceled permanently for less.

>> No.15944732

>>15937368
Why are Japanese book covers so FUCKING GOOD

>> No.15944835

>>15937368
A lot of flaws but you'll remember the modern aesthetic focusing on the masculine and its different forms in post-ww2 japan. Creates a very unique feeling.

That's about it, don't let people extrapolate too much out of it.

>> No.15946012

>>15941613
then why did mishima speak english, adored western novels and the interior of his house reflected that of a western one? makes him look like a hypocrite

>> No.15947553

>>15937368
Among other things.

>> No.15947562

>>15937368
The gang did nothing wrong. Chief especially did absolutely nothing wrong

>> No.15947831

>>15937646
>but seriously it seemed kinda retarded and unrealistic how noboru and his gang behaved
dude its a book. Like its just supposed to be interesting (and it was)

>> No.15947882

>>15944732
It’s the woodblock printing techniques that produced pretty much every kind of Japanese art that’s known in the west. Even cheap cover art imitating it will look good to most people, which is pretty nice.