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[Anonymous No.15933100]

Why would Satan punish sinners in Hell? Wouldn't he want to reward them for going against God and his will?

[Anonymous No.15933111]

Because it's God that wills it.

[Anonymous No.15933145]

Satan has always been a servant of God. Trust the system.

[Anonymous No.15933148]

>>15933100
He's too much of a spiteful asshole to do anything nice

[Anonymous No.15933157]

>>15933100
>Why would Satan punish sinners in Hell?

he doesn't?? that's just some gay dante tier fanfiction

[Anonymous No.15933159]

I like how the saints (pbut) emphasize Lucifer as being himself pure and disgusted by sins against chastity, so much so he torments these the most for being hallmarks of human weakness that he so hated God for creating. Absolutely based.

[Anonymous No.15933170]

all protestants go back to 8ch please

[Anonymous No.15933177]

>>15933100
Because he is the most trusted of the Angels. God chose him to fall to rule over Hell and punish the sinners. Just as Jesus entrusted Judas to “betray” him to the Romans.

[Anonymous No.15933188]

>>15933100
Isn't the main punishment of hell not being able to be with God for all eternity? I don't think people are actually submerged in a river of boiling blood or forced to roll stone wheels back and forth for eternity

[Anonymous No.15933193]

>>15933188
It's literally just whatever you want to believe.

[Anonymous No.15933199]

>>15933188
It's the logical extreme of all torments of sense but theologians regard the penalty of loss as the absolute worst.

[Anonymous No.15933215]

I really wish there is a hell even if I am bound for it myself.

[Anonymous No.15933221]

>>15933157
so wait, hell is actually just a big party with all the fun people from history? sign me up!

[Anonymous No.15933336]

>>15933100
Satan does not hate god, he hates humans, we are the reason we he was btfo'd from heaven

[Anonymous No.15933352]

>>15933193
so it can be Heaven too?

[Anonymous No.15933366]

>>15933215
believe me there is, and you don't want to be there.

[Anonymous No.15933448]

>>15933100
You're sent to a place without the rule of God i.e rule of law, some kind of anarchy where the fallen angels have all their right to do whatever they please and you're their only entertainment. Imagine, it would be like a lamb in a lions den.

[Anonymous No.15933458]

>>15933159
Lucifer is the Robespierre of angels lol.

[Anonymous No.15933476]

>>15933100
That's just how he shows affection. He's just busting your balls, bro.

[Anonymous No.15933486]

>>15933100
Satan is jealous of humans.

[Anonymous No.15933487]

>>15933188
Wouldn't a supreme being be able to tell that punishing an extremelly flawed and relatively ignorant being with an eternal sentence is a tad fucked up?

[Anonymous No.15933514]

>>15933487
John 3:16
>For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him shall not perish, but have everlasting life
Hell isn't eternal punishment. Your soul goes there to burn and then it perishes. If you're saved through having faith in Jesus, only then are you given eternal life

[Anonymous No.15933519]

>>15933487
An insult against infinite majesty deserves infinite punishment.

[Anonymous No.15933524]

>>15933366
Hello. Where are the proofs? Thx

[Anonymous No.15933528]

>>15933514
Hell is eternal. St. Thomas laid it out quite clearly.

[Anonymous No.15933537]

>>15933519
How dare he judge an infinitely flawed being for not believing his bullshit after his short visit on Earth?

[Anonymous No.15933546]

>>15933100
No one is in hell right now. Hell is for Satan and his angels after the judgement, where they, and the unsaved, will be tormented forever. Have a nice day.

[Anonymous No.15933556]

>>15933537
He’s the creator of everything. His house, his rules. You don’t like it, you can gtfo (which is where you’re headed, going by your post).

[Anonymous No.15933559]

>>15933448
I don't believe in that shit but what you said is logical within the mythos.

[Anonymous No.15933580]

>>15933556
Tad evil don't you think? Sounds a little too much like slavery, only much worse.

[Anonymous No.15933583]

>>15933537
Because you obviously could have believed it but your pride prevented you from doing that. He's judging your ignorance at the light of your pride and resentment towards Him, which constitutes an offense.

[Anonymous No.15933595]

>>15933537
God created us for him. It's as simple as that. Moreover, God and the saints rejoice at the condemnation of the reprobate as they endeavoured and willed their salvation while alive, all to be disregarded, denied all for what? A beastly pleasure? A miserable revenge? They trade everything for quite literally nothing and deserve to suffer for all eternity.

[Anonymous No.15933601]

>>15933580
>my pea brain thinks bad because God be limited as me.

[Anonymous No.15933620]

>>15933580
God only asks that you love him. Hardly slavery.

[Anonymous No.15933649]

>>15933583
That's the problem isn't it? How can you believe it? The bible is obviously bullshit. The church itself is full of nonces. No thanks.

>>15933595
>God created us for him. It's as simple as that.
Pretty sure Pride is the worst of the deadly sins lmao

>God and the saints rejoice at the condemnation of the reprobate
Enjoying seeing flawed beings suffer for eternity, a concept they can't understand themselves? Not the nices bunch are they lmao

>>15933601
I'm saying that it's literally impossible for God to truly understand one of us so how can he judge us fairly?

>>15933620
He never asked me anything.

[Anonymous No.15933665]

>>15933546
Your grandmother is literally burning in Hell right now. Her flesh is coming off in sheets.

[Anonymous No.15933675]

>>15933649
>That's the problem isn't it? How can you believe it? The bible is obviously bullshit. The church itself is full of nonces. No thanks.
Lol this attitude seems prideful and full of resentment towards God to me.

[Anonymous No.15933701]

>>15933620
Sort've like a slave master asks you to work, and if you don't you get the whip?
Or, like this, but completely potentialized, projected into the nebulous realm of post-death so that your prophecy is unfalsifiable?

[Anonymous No.15933706]

>>15933675
I don't see how not believing a man can come back from the dead, that water can turn to wine, that a man can part seas, or that a man can walk on water, is resentful.

[Anonymous No.15933711]

>>15933649
Yes. The flawed like the diseased cuts of grain are thrown into the furnace where they must burn.

[Anonymous No.15933755]

>>15933706
Because He did all of that and more.
>7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you: 8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh, findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.
>Seek and you shall find.
>He that sought, found.
If you didn't find, you didn't seek. That's not God's problems, but yours.

[Anonymous No.15933756]

>>15933711
isn't it interesting how it's incredibly hard for religious cucks to hide their fetish of imagining people suffering for all eternity?

[Anonymous No.15934722]

>>15933100
Take the worst two people you know. If one does something pathetic to spite you, does the other reward him for it?
If so, you know better people than I do.

[Anonymous No.15934783]

i'm on 2nd Chronicles and so far the Bible has only mentioned Satan like 1 time, 2 times if you count the Serpent in the garden of Eden. im kinda excited to learn more about this entity because he just seems so mysterious

[Anonymous No.15934820]

>>15933100
Hell is eternity separated from God. Sin in and of itself brings damage to your life, God doesn’t actively punish it. It’s proscribed because of this fact.

[Anonymous No.15934831]

>>15933221
the punishment is being with other degenerates like you

[Anonymous No.15934838]

>>15933100
No, humans are made in the image of God. Satan hates that, thats why his number 1 goal is to deceive humans and have as many join him in hell.

[Anonymous No.15934995]

Satan punishes you for God's sake.

[Anonymous No.15935041]

I have been a Christian in the past. I live in accordance with most of the laws of the Bible. I don't engage in fornication or buggery. I do not steal or kill. I obviously sin as every person does. If I have to think of the worst thing I do it is blaspheme. I simply cannot believe in a God, particularly one that cares about me. And I can't think that of all societies throughout history my society just happens to be correct.

I am incapable of accepting grace and will burn in hell.

[Anonymous No.15935074]

>>15935041
Responding to myself.

My actual greatest sin is that I center my life around living for myself and value my own aims over His; in other words, pride

[Anonymous No.15935115]

>>15933756
They are reflecting.

[Anonymous No.15935270]

Satan was jealous of humans as he thought angels to be superior, so he baits humans into renouncing their fate so he can torture them

[Anonymous No.15935284]

>it turns out i was being tricked into doing things by this guy Satan, renowned for being evil, now i'm in Hell
>WTF Satan, why aren't you being nice to me

[Anonymous No.15935319]

>>15933221
read don juan in hell by george bernard shaw

[Anonymous No.15935325]

>>15933514
>only then are you given eternal life
is there any more horrible idea than eternal life?

[Anonymous No.15935332]

Satan represents chaos. One day he will punish you with whips, the next he will reward you with surprise butt sex. You'll never know what to expect with that guy

[Anonymous No.15935339]

>>15933221
>Heh, I'd rather be in Hell because it's warmer and I don't like the cold.
>Heh, all the cool people are in Hell.
>Heh, Heaven? Booooooooo-riiiiiiing!

[Anonymous No.15935342]

>>15933100
Lucifer was struck down from heaven for loving God more than his creation.

[Anonymous No.15935347]

>>15935325
Are you really incapable of considering a state of being other than the one that you are experiencing right now? HEY, HEY DUMB DUMB! THE ESCHATON ISN'T LIKE THE TEMPORAL WORLD, DUMB DUMB! YOU DON'T HAVE A DOPAMINE ADDICTION IN THE ESCHATON, DUMB DUMB!

[Anonymous No.15935355]

>>15933221
>so wait, hell is actually just a big party with all the fun people from history? sign me up!

[Anonymous No.15935357]

>>15935342
If Satan, as an angel without the flaws of man, truly loved God more than his creation (that "creation" encompassing Satan himself - not only man) then he would have conformed his will to that of God. How can he claim to love God more than creation if he chose his will over God's when Satan is a creation?

[Anonymous No.15935389]

>>15933537
>ignoring the fact that most of humanity engages in totally depraved acts
Why do you have to be so dishonest with yourself just to keep up some grudge against God?

[Anonymous No.15935404]

>>15935357
I'm just relaying the story. Lucifer did not and could not love man more than God. This isn't something that is up to interpretation. It's written in the scripture.

[Anonymous No.15935447]

>>15934783
There's no Satan in Old Testament. Even in the Book of Job there's only satan, not Satan.

[Anonymous No.15935632]

>>15935325
eternal life =/= eternal material life
Conceive something higher than yourself

[Anonymous No.15935646]

>>15933100
hell is a metaphysical condition of separation from god, your ontological condition of happiness is accepting him and being close to him (because your soul comes from him) but if you refused him you'll spend the eternity in his absence and suffer from it: the physical pains and tortures described to us as happening in hell are just a way to let the human sensible brain understand the torment of a life far from the source of your creation and meaning

[Anonymous No.15935657]

>>15935646
I meant sensible as in tied to the senses, english is not my first language

[jesus No.15935682]

>>15933100
have you seen satan, hell? take meds schizo.

[Anonymous No.15935697]

>>15933221
youtube tier comment

[Anonymous No.15935703]

>>15933487
Judaism has a better take - there is no hell only a purgatory where you are cleansed till you are 'pure' enough to be in heaven.

[Anonymous No.15936123]

There is a common misconception that Satan is in charge of hell and that he and his demons live there and use their pitchforks to torment souls for eternity. This concept has no basis in Scripture whatsoever. In fact, Satan will be one of the tormented in the lake of fire, not the tormentor (Revelation 20:10).

Where does the idea that Satan is the master of hell come from, if not from the Bible? Much of the false thinking may come from Dante Alighiere’s epic poem The Divine Comedy. Many other works of art, and literary pieces such as Dan Brown’s novel Inferno, follow Dante’s lead and picture Satan as the one in charge of hell.

Dante’s poem describes the brutal descent of sinners into the underworld. Dante journeys through different levels of hell and purgatory and eventually arrives in paradise. The poem itself was an amalgamation of myths, Catholic ideas (like purgatory), and Islamic traditions about Muhammad’s “night of ascension” (lailat al-miraj). Dante’s medieval view of hell is influenced more by the Qur’an than the Bible.

Dante’s literary vision of hell is depicted by Botticelli in his painting Map of Hell as a subterranean funnel of suffering—a wretched underground landscape of fire, brimstone, sewage, and monsters, with Satan himself waiting at its core. It’s all very disturbing, and effective as a work of art, but it is based on the imaginations of men, not the Word of God.

[Anonymous No.15936128]

Satan is not the ruler of hell. It is God who is in charge. Jesus says, “Do not be afraid of those who kill the body, and after that can do no more. . . . Fear Him who, after the killing of the body, has power to throw you into hell” (Luke 12:4–5). Jesus is referring to God here. He alone has the power to throw someone into hell. Who holds the keys of death and hades? Jesus has absolute control over that domain (Revelation 1:18). Jesus assures all believers that not even the gates of hades can overcome His church (Matthew 16:18).

The lake of fire, mentioned only in Revelation 19:20 and 20:10, 14–15, is the final place of punishment for all unrepentant rebels, both angelic and human (Matthew 25:41). The universal punishment for all who reject Jesus Christ as Savior is to be “cast into the lake of fire” (Revelation 20:15). The Bible speaks of hell as a place of “outer darkness” where there will be “weeping and gnashing of teeth” (Matthew 8:12; 22:13). Those whose names are written in the Lamb’s book of life should have no fear of this terrible fate. By faith in Christ and His shed blood, we are destined to live eternally in the presence of God.

Satan does not rule hell or lead his demons in tormenting those who are banished there. In fact, the Bible does not say that Satan has been to hell yet. Rather, “eternal fire” is awaiting Satan; the place was originally created to punish Satan and the demons (Matthew 25:41), not to give them a kingdom to rule.

Until Satan is condemned and thrown into the pit forever, he spends his time between heaven (Job 1:6–12) and earth (1 Peter 5:8). He will not always have freedom of movement, and he knows it. “Woe to the earth and the sea, because the devil has gone down to you! He is filled with fury, because he knows that his time is short” (Revelation 12:12).