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Bookchin solved life

>> No.15913103

>>15913093
Maybe in an ideal world, and Plato did that first.
Reject utopian ideologies.

>> No.15913194

>photos of bookchin solved life

>> No.15913213

>>15913093
Utopians can't solve anything.

>> No.15913220

>>15913103
FPBP. Bookchin is a moron. Read Linkola.

>> No.15914275

>>15913093
Yes

>> No.15914859

>>15913213
>but it'll work this time. We swear.
I wish. I hate living in hell.

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>>15913093
Looks more like Permaculture.

Also, Herod is like a Thomas Paine to Bookchin’s Jefferson

>> No.15914921

>>15913093
>Murray Bookchin
Bob Black ended this man's whole career like 25 years ago
http://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/bob-black-anarchy-after-leftism

>> No.15914923

>>15914921
Separatist “individualism” is pretty cancerous too.

>> No.15914972

>>15914921
>Bob Black
Cringe.

>> No.15915439

>>15914878
That looks great. Any other recommendations on the topic of autonomy/localised direct democracy? Preferably scholarly

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>>15915439
Should be getting back to read this right now.
I also read Paul Cockshott’s Towards a New Socialism, which is all about how a non accumulative currency can work.

>> No.15915567

>>15915456
Thanks butterfly. I've been meaning to read some of Nelson's work. I really need to get into a doctoral program so I have the time to work through more material, goddamn there's a lot to read.

>> No.15915634

>>15915567
What kind of doctoral program would be suited for this?

>> No.15915776

>>15915634
Something around post-capitalism, perhaps particularly in relation to the urban condition. Degrowth seems to be the current academic zeitgeist which suits me fine.

>> No.15915998

>>15915776
Thanks. I'm not a doctoral student or anything close to it. Just trying to figure out what sorts of courses might be relevant to my interests.

>> No.15916058

>>15915567
is it possible to get into a doctoral program for a subject you didn't study in college?

i fucking hate my job so much

>> No.15916091

>>15915998
In terms of course I would say you can approach it academically either through a sustainability perspective in an interdisciplinary environment program (that is, not hard science environment) which is what I do, or I've also been seeing a lot of post-capitalist research done by human geographers which isn't a field I know much about which seems to produce a lot of good work.

>> No.15916121

>>15916058
You probably need at least some relevant postgrad experience. I managed to get into a non research masters which was completely nonrelated to my undergrad which than leads to doctoral.

>> No.15916272

>>15916091
Thanks again. I've been recommended geography before as well as it relates to "autonomy/localized direct democracy."

>> No.15916977

All these utopians think in a world filled with powerful states who want nothing more than to steal more land is gonna let anarchoretards setup camp on their land and just live peacefully. You guys gonna get slaughtered like literally every other time Anarchism has been tried and everyone was killed lol

>> No.15917006

>>15915456
Butterfly why don't you read an economics textbook first

>> No.15917373

Women ruin it, as usual.

>> No.15917392

>>15913093
>Benedicit Option but for leftists
Dead at conception

>> No.15917624

>>15917006
Because I’m not an economics student. I want an end to money and market economies. Reading about the alternatives from economists is sufficient.

>>15916977
I was 14 once too.

>> No.15917636

>>15917624
>Because I’m not an economics student. I want an end to money and market economies. Reading about the alternatives from economists is sufficient.
You know leftist economics is still economics right? It didn't just invent a new form of economics. It still exists in the same framework. Any leftist economist you post isn't gonna deny the things that are factual.

>> No.15917648

>>15917624
>I was 14 once too.
How about you respond to the argument? Don't talk about age if you're an anarchist lmao

>> No.15917649

>>15917636
Didn’t I just go over my reasons?

>> No.15917654

>>15917649
You don't think learning the criticisms of your own ideology especially something essential to understanding how your own ideology works might be something worth reading? If you read an economics textbook you might actually be able to understand Cockshott.

>> No.15917665

>>15917648
I do respond to it, but I suppose he’s new. And as usual he’s 14 and hasn’t read a bit about it. I posted ITT some books he could read that would answer any of his questions, and rather straightforwardly too.

>> No.15917669

>>15917654
I understood Cockshott. It was a simple enough book.

>> No.15917672

>>15917665
So you aren't going to respond the argument then? Bit of a cop out no?

>> No.15917680

>>15917669
Really you understood all the equations?

>> No.15917732

>>15917672
No, it’s not a cop out
https://www.jamesherod.info/Getting_Free.pdf

>>15917680
The professor hasn’t turned out a replica of himself, sorry to say. But I do not wish to replace him.
This reminds me of those frog shit posts whining about not having an instantly recallable memory of the books they’d read

>> No.15917760

>>15917732
Posting books instead of arguments is a cop out. Pol retards do the same thing. Here posting this 400 page books means I don't have to lose this debate. It should take you literally 3 sentences to BTFO him but I don't think you can.

>> No.15917824

>>15917760
She doesn't read. Never seen her give an argument in all the years I've been here nor have I seen any evidence that she's read any of the books she spams. She's one of those types that gestures towards an ideology as means of an identity without ever fully inhabiting or understanding it. Exactly of like /pol/tards really (except most of them have the excuse of youth, she doesn't even have that) Don't know why they do this, lack of love from family, I guess.

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>>15917760
It’s less than 200 and the pertinent parts for the argument are easily laid out.
I should have been reading all this time...

>> No.15917836

>>15917824
What a crock of shit.

>> No.15917838

>>15917836
Truth stings, huh.

>> No.15917841

I read that as Blockchain solved life and thought I was in /biz/

>> No.15917848

>>15917829
Can you just post the three sentences so we can know what your response would be? Why are you so reluctant?

>> No.15917871

>>15917829
I hope everyone can see through this tactic. She can't respond so all she can do it tell you to read the book. Altrighters do the same thing you will ask some how something about how their ideology works and if they don't have an answer they tell you to read For My Legionaries and then stop responding. She has nothing. It doesn't how many of you ask her. She can't answer.

>> No.15917923

>>15917848
‘Kay.
For all the wealthy, all their powerbrokers and all the statesmen, they are a minority of unscrupulous *narcissists* who fall at the whim the security guard class they hire. Regime changes happen all the times by coups. But the way socialism happens, for real, the only way is can happen for real, is if the majority organize and unite for the common cause. Not just the workers seizing their places of work, the book argues, but by whole communities banding together. The security guards need not be the enemy even. If done in great enough numbers they would likely join the very neighborhoods they live in and patrol. The only way it happens.
I expect the question “how’re you gonna unite when so many people want different things?” We all want basic things and we will most definitely be able to get them for each other once we SEIZE EVERYTHING. We already do all the work. We do not need an owner class
Good enough?

>>15917838
1/10 for my responding at all.

>> No.15917935

>>15917923
>Good enough?
I'm not talking about in the country. I'm talking about outside of the country. If you look at any single time anarchism was attempted it ended in outside forces blowing everyones brains out and taking back the land. How do you prevent this? Literally happened every single time.

>> No.15917981

>>15917935
North America goes socialist, and then what? This isn’t Catalonia.

>> No.15917985

>>15917981
Are you baiting?

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>implying that America will ever develop class consciousness

>> No.15918006

>>15917981
There isn’t even support for center left democracy in the country let alone anything further to the left. Bernie lost three Super Tuesdays in a row to a mumbling senile old center right rapist and even if you were able to get enough SJW’s (who would lynch you for being a terf btw) to a make a new city wide Chaz the military would come in with the support of the people to kill everyone just as the US has done hundreds of times. A fascist martial law state is way more likely than what you are proposing but hey if you wanna get utopian with it go ahead. My fantasy is a neo feudalist state to build itself from the bottom up too we will see who wins.

>> No.15918071

>>15917994
The deepening depression speaks otherwise.

>>15918006
>There isn’t even support for center left democracy
Which means we don’t want functioning democracy?
>Bernie lost!
What the hell does the cheating of a very flawed socdem have to do with anything? He’s woken up a lot of people. The trend is left, but the establishment trip them up and only allow fakes in. Another point of the book: fuck representative government.
This isn’t CHAZing the world, this is more prepper-izing it.
You wanna play warlord and say the Pentagon will take all their “best men” soldiers and slaughter tens of thousands of Americans, well I’m pretty sure we’ll have soldiers too. You want a civil war right when we need to be getting carbon emissions down flat? Lets go.
As for the fearsome “outsiders” China won’t invade. They’d aid the socialists. The US has made enemies of the world, but I think most know who the real enemies of the world are within the US
Again, we win by our numbers. Enjoy this slide into the second Great Depression. We’ll see what happens

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We are witnessing a bloated 50 year old dyke LARPing as a revolutionary on an online Lithuanian metal detectorist enclave. Yeah, let's see as the masses, once again, do nothing. Let's see them squabble for eons in between their little prepackaged identity groups on the correct praxis, all the while as the establishment pays them no mind. Yeah, this time it'll work for sure.

>> No.15918128

>>15918071
>Which means we don’t want functioning democracy?
Why is society gonna start building towards a libertarian socialist society when the large majority of the country is centrist? They won't even go for basic liberal policies that would make their society better but Bookchinist communes are gonna spring up in the millions lmao. How can you be this delusional?

>this is more prepper-izing it.
Preppers are nothing but a larp too. Have you see them? 40 right wingers in some bumfuck town preparing for the revolution. If the revolution came they would get bombed immediately like we did to literally only 11 anarchists in Philadelphia lol. And this was the police not the military.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1985_MOVE_bombing

So again you have no support of the general population but even if you were able to scrounge up a few thousand anarchokiddos you would get slaughtered. Please tell me how this is not utopian and it's actually politically feasible?

>well I’m pretty sure we’ll have soldiers too. You want a civil war
You're not gonna start a civil war with 100 people. The right wing militia retards use the same exact rhetoric as you. I can't wait for the day you snap out of this.

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>>15918150
Is she an anarchist? This is what the cops are gonna do to her house when the revolution starts.

>> No.15918181

>>15918173
That’s a “that’s all you got?” Face.
Stop talking.

>> No.15918184

>>15918181
Should I post more images of dead anarchists

>> No.15918232

>>15918181
Bookchin's most famous book has 16 reviews on Amazon lol. The bookchinist revolution is coming in the millions boys

>> No.15918819
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Are Bookchin and Hoppe reconcilable?

>> No.15918830

>>15914921
Based
>>15914923
>>15914972
Not an argument

>> No.15918846

>>15918819
Not really, in the 70s and 80s Bookchin would be around right libertarians and he even gave an interview to libertarian magazine Reason. That said, he was a radical environmentalist so leaving an ancap "commune" alone so that it may pollute the environment wouldn't be an option to him

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>>15917624
>I want an end to money and market economies
Dumb. Ridding the world of money doesn't rid the world of the power that that money symbolizes. By the same token, it doesn't get rid of markets either, which is simply the delegation of that power. This is where an unexamined materialist ontology gets you -- dumb-ville.

>> No.15918906

>>15918232
The Kingdom of Heaven is like a grain of mustard seed.

>> No.15918912

>>15918850
Give it a rest, bugman.

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>>15918846
Overall I like Hoppe's aprioristic approach to economics and his proposals, but I can't take his indifference towards Nature, wildlife, resource depletion and population growth. I wish there was something in between Austrian School and Deep Ecology.

>> No.15919099

>>15914921
neat i didnt have to be the one to post it this time. bob black is based and every anarchist should read his works. hes also the only funny anarchist ive ever read

>> No.15919121

>>15918906
Christcuck cope

>> No.15919137

>>15913093
The amish solved life.

>> No.15919648

>>15919137
technologically, not ideologically

>> No.15919842

>>15919121
Cringe.

>> No.15919873

>Bookchin was born in New York City to Russian Jewish immigrants[7][8]
pretty funny how the goyim have to live on farms but God's Chosen People get to go around genociding arabs, huh?

>> No.15920043

>>15918850
>-- dumb-ville.
He signed his post.

>>15918918
Take the step. Turn away from the darkside/right.