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As a Marxist, is this worth reading at all?

>> No.15903583

>>15903572
>As a Marxist
You won't like it at all if you have Marxist convictions within philosophy.

>> No.15903607

>>15903572
there's already a thread about d&g's relation to marxism

>> No.15903609

>>15903572
As a Marxist I don't think it's even worth breathing

>> No.15903626

>>15903572
It’s more metaphysics, linguistics and applications of those to a wide range, including politics.

>> No.15903840

Bump

>> No.15903849

>>15903572
It's a book about guitar lessons

>> No.15903899

>>15903849
Thanks

>> No.15903933

Me and Nick land are among the few individuals to fully understand the implications of Deleuzean thought and achieve the BwO. It is no coincidence that we both went insane soon after. Six visits to the psych ward later after deterritorializing myself with hardcore psychedelics, I have now returned to the fold of Platonism. The ethics of difference, it would seem, end only in a padded cell or a coffin. For my mother's sake, I now adhere to virtue ethics. Kinda miss fucking bipolar scene sluts but then again that's probably how I ended up with tertiary syphilis. I only hope my future wife can forgive me my immature philosophical infatuation...

>> No.15903955

>>15903572

>Does this book affirm my beliefs or not?

Fucking Christ ....

>> No.15904098

>>15903955
>>15903609
>>15903583
Why is this board so retarded?

>> No.15904103

>as a marxist
You dont do anything as a marxist, you lazy schmuck

>> No.15904106

>>15903955
>>15903609
Imbecile

>> No.15904116

>>15904103
Imbecile

>> No.15904168

I've seen a lot of ruckus about that book so it may be worth reading just on virtue of all the ruckus it had so far caused.

>> No.15904204

>>15903933
HAHAHAHAHA

>> No.15904207

>>15903626
but is it helpful for anything?

>> No.15904266

>>15903572
>as a marxist
you may find yourself more at home on reddit or tiktok my underage friend, there is no accursed reservoir of sign value here for you to stuff into your festering tranny gash

>> No.15904299

>>15903572
It depends on what kind of marxist you are, D&G are marxists themselves, but in a constructivist/pragmatic sense. One must remember that being deleuzian or being deleuzo-guattarian is always about how philosophy is a toolbox

>> No.15904508

>>15904266
imbecile

>> No.15904547

>>15904299
ok but what do they bring to the table? how do they differ from other marxists?

>> No.15904871

bump

>> No.15904922

Given that it's the predominant ideological edifice for global capitalism today, yes, also >>15903955

>> No.15904928

>>15904922
how?

>> No.15905153

bump

>> No.15905193

>>15903572
No. It's a pile of schizo nonsense.

>> No.15905202

>>15905193
That's pretty endearing to say about D&G considering how they viewed schizophrenia and sense.

>> No.15905203

>>15903955
Marxism isn't a belief system, dumbfuck.

>>15904922
Retard.

>> No.15905214

>>15905202
>you see, it's *supposed* to be incoherent gibberish
Fuck off.

>> No.15905218

>>15905214
Lol, it obviously went completely over your head.

>> No.15905225

>>15904922
This is bait

>> No.15905232

>>15903933

i'm calling up your wife
and telling her i'm sorry for your based

>> No.15905268

>>15905218
Gibberish by definition cannot go over anyone's head.

>> No.15905436

>>15905203

Everything is a belief system, moron. You believe Marx had something insightful to say about phenomenon, that's a belief.
If you ask 'should I read this, AS A MARXIST', you're basically saying : 'Is this within the parameters of what is considered acceptable critique of Marx.'
Why else would you include the 'as a Marxist' part? You are literally judging the worth (see OP) of the contents of a manuscript by how it relates to Marxism. i.e. you BELIEVE that a work either has or doesn't have worth relative to Marxism, if that's not a belief system, I don't know what is.

If you however seek to have your convictions (can I say convictions instead of beliefs you fucking sperg? Does that make it ok?) challenged, why include 'as a Marxist', at all?
OP is asking us to preemptively filter whether or not this book is acceptable like a soccer mom whose kids are going to a heavy metal concert for the first time.

Go and seize the means of reproduction with your right hand because I'm sure no woman will touch you.

>> No.15905477

>>15905436
>Everything is a belief system, moron.
You wish, you fucking faggot.

>> No.15905487

>>15905477

>Some things aren't belief, some things are true. Only the things I believe are true are actually true, though.

>> No.15905567

>>15903572
Absolutely. You might find out how stupid it is to view history and humanity in strictly materialist terms. Either that or you get filtered. You could be filtered from either the psychoanalysis, the prose, or humor. Give it a chance and challenge your worldview.

>> No.15905570

>>15905487
FUCK
OFF

>> No.15905576

>>15905567
Everything Deleuze wrote is pseud dogshit.

>> No.15905589

>>15905567
>You might find out how stupid it is to view history and humanity in strictly materialist terms
Uh what is stupid about it? What other way is there to view history? Also did you even read the book? D&G are materialists.

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>>15905570

>> No.15905644

I would recommend reading Locus Solus before attempting C&S

>> No.15905651

>>15905589
can the virtual and desire be explicitly described in the material history espoused by orthodox marxism?

>> No.15905658

As a Marxist you should kill yourself.

>> No.15905679

>>15903572
No, it's worthless twaddle. Read Gramsci and Althusser instead.

>> No.15905727

>>15905679
this

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15905753

>NOOOOOOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T USE AVANT-GARDE PROSE IN PHILOSOPHY INSPIRED BY AVANT-GARDE ART
The absolute state of literature

>> No.15905757

>>15905753
Take your meds.

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>>15905757
Nice try Big Pharma, I only participate in horizontal subject-groups at La Borde

>> No.15905816

>>15905679
What is Althusser's best?

>> No.15905880

>>15905679
>Gramsci
too reactionary

>> No.15905923

>>15905816
On the Reproduction of Capitalism.

>> No.15905925

As a faggot, Should I suck some cock?

>> No.15905982
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15905982

>>15905925
>should
what kind of faggot are you?

>> No.15906601

>>15905982
of the non-deterministic kind

>> No.15906690

>>15905982
becoming-straight

>> No.15906733

>>15903609
based

>> No.15906734

>>15905651
Yes, but it is incompatible with the deleuzian idea of desire.
>marx: teleology
>deleuze: production of the new (difference, aka, what refutes teleology)

>> No.15906788

>>15904207
Yes, thinking

>> No.15906802

>Will this book be perfectly compatible with my spook?
If they get you asking the wrong questions, they dont have to care about the answers.

>> No.15906864

>>15906734
How does that refute teleology

>> No.15906872

>>15903609
/thread

>> No.15908430

>>15903572

1) It won't disabuse you of your mistaken beliefs.
2) If you do read it, it will give you another insufferable toolbox of jargon which you would then toss around with others to circlejerk/feel smart.

For these reasons OP, I strongly advise against your reading that book.

>> No.15908496

>>15905925
yeah probably

>> No.15908590

>>15908430
The book sucks, but Marxism is 100% correct.

>> No.15908989

>>15903572
Yes, maybe you will stop believing in the Marxist “base and superstructure” model and that there is such a thing as “ideology”

>> No.15909025

>>15908989
so it isn't worth reading thanks retard

>> No.15909407

>>15905799
based

>> No.15909418

I think AO is more strait forward in its message and goal. ATP is more experimental.

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15909747

>>15903849
top kek. Thanks for the laugh anon.

>> No.15909756

>>15905576
Found the brainlet.

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>>15906864
It's unpredictable, ever self-differenciating and non-dialectical at least in a narrow sense (as it connects to all kinds of things around it constantly in a rhizomatic and contingent manner). It still depends on how deterministic your reading of Marx and all that stuff though.

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15909800

>>15909025
D&G are absolutely right though, at least in the sense that they use ideology. It doesn't really touch ideology in a more complex and broad sense like Zizek uses it, at least not in a way that truly undermines it, more in a way that compliments and explains how it functions.