Why did philosophers not like to meet up and debate in the past? What has changed?

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Anonymous Sat Jul 18 19:03:57 2020 No.15898407 [DELETED]

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Why did philosophers not like to meet up and debate in the past? What has changed?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 19:05:13 2020 No.15898418 >>15898407 >e-celebrities >philosophers Anon...

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 19:09:40 2020 No.15898458 >>15898407 i think social distancing during this pandemic has something to do with it

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 19:12:41 2020 No.15898480 hasan > destiny > trainwrecks > asmongold > nick > sargon

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 19:27:06 2020 No.15898602 >>15898407 Debating is not an intellectual sport, it's a performance art. t. debater

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 19:27:41 2020 No.15898609 >>15898480 in terms of what? highest IQ is prob asmongold or destiny. hasan definitely face and frame mogs everyone here tho

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 19:28:39 2020 No.15898613 >>15898480 They're all equally retarded >>15898602 Also this. If you want to debate in philosophy, then you can just keep a written (or personal) correspondence with the person you want to debate and not have all the gay drama on the side.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 19:31:46 2020 No.15898641 Isn't trainwrecks a chad with degrees in philosophy and biology?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 19:31:59 2020 No.15898643 >>15898609 politics

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 19:33:01 2020 No.15898648 Kill yourself.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 19:34:01 2020 No.15898655 Kill yourself.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 19:35:01 2020 No.15898667 >>15898480 >hasan Not paying your workers a living wage but letting them control the means of production is pretty epic ngl

Anonymous Sat Jul 18 19:36:58 2020 No.15898687
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People have totally wrong ideas about what debates are for - >>15898602 is right.

The purpose of debates is to show off and develop your own understanding of a chosen subject. It is not to try and ''win'' or change the other person's mind. Honestly nobody actually changes their mind after losing a debate - they still have the same position as before, they usually just go off and research more so they'll be more prepared next time.

The big myth underlying 'debates' is that people are all rational and that a 'conclusion' can be reached through ''logic and facts'', but the truth is nobody actually holds a political position because they arrived at it ''rationally''. They hold it because they have an emotional attachment to it - usually based on their own background.

If you want to actually change someone's mind you don't debate them - you appeal to their emotions. Every successful propagandist in history has understood this. Take pic related for example - there's no ''data'' or ''facts'' being presented here, it's just a nightmarish vision designed to evoke an emotional response.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 19:37:37 2020 No.15898695 >>15898480 Asmongold > everyone

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 19:38:45 2020 No.15898707 >>15898407 Kill yourself.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 19:39:17 2020 No.15898710 File: 176 KB, 220x224, 1573167551374.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15898407 >post yfw you realize Asmongold is genuinely the most intelligent person in this panel

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 19:40:18 2020 No.15898716 >>15898407 Kill yourself.

Anonymous Sat Jul 18 19:40:21 2020 No.15898717

>>15898687

Also not to mention it's possible to be very intelligent and insightful and even maybe a world's leading philosopher and still not enjoy debates. A lot of philosophers probably didn't engage in debates because they didn't enjoy it and didn't learn anything from them

Anonymous Sat Jul 18 19:50:17 2020 No.15898792

>>15898717
It's because people with good intentions that are trying to learn something get steamrolled in debates. The only "debates" worth paying any attention to are long-term written correspondence. On the panel above the worst actors in this regard are probably des-tiny (master sophist and hairsplitter) and nick the spic (I win because I'm based, turns brain off).

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 19:54:46 2020 No.15898823 >>15898480 hasan straight up cycles right? I can't imagine a communism actually hitting the gym regularly, hes gotta be on the juice.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 19:59:27 2020 No.15898850 File: 29 KB, 309x475, 29905.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15898407 The socratics did this regularly. Pic related.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 20:00:28 2020 No.15898855 See: >>15898602 >>15898613 >>15898687 >>15898717 >>15898792 And then go read Schopenhauer's 37 Ways to Win an Argument. Serious intellectual engagement generally takes place in writing.

Anonymous Sat Jul 18 20:00:41 2020 No.15898859

>>15898792

Unironically the only worthwhile debate I've seen on youtube was the Slavoj Zizek vs Jordan Peterson one which was really more like a cozy discussion.

Most other ''debates'' is just two autistic retards hairsplitting over the exact meaning of words or demanding ''studies''

Anonymous Sat Jul 18 20:01:04 2020 No.15898860

>>15898687
This. The only area in which debates may have some intellectual use is debates over incredibly specific, obscure even, matters that most people haven't considered before. For example econonics motions are always shit because most people know very little about economics, but it's there that people are forced to think for themselves without emotional bias. And even then, original arguments on obscure topics are going to be weak, at which point simply talking with more confidence than the other teams will convince the judges/audience you know what you're talking about. That debates are being hosted on Twitch tells you all you need to know about your average debate.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 20:01:23 2020 No.15898862 >>15898823 Lenin heavily promoted physical fitness. All true communists are yoked. https://mje.mcgill.ca/article/viewFile/7442/5372

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 20:04:23 2020 No.15898886 >>15898859 Peterson and Sam Harris was pretty awesome.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 20:05:44 2020 No.15898901 >>15898862 True communists, not neoliberal shitheads.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 20:07:07 2020 No.15898910 >>15898480 Asmon > Trainwrecks > Nick > Destiny > Hasan > Sargoy

Anonymous Sat Jul 18 20:07:26 2020 No.15898915

>>15898480
> hasan > destiny
I want to agree with you because I don't like that Destiny is fucking libtard but to be fair Destiny is more intelligent and better debater. I wish hasan and desTINY would stop being bitches and confront eachother again on podcasts and stuff. Also I got banned from hasans chat for simply saying Destiny reacted to a tweet

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 20:08:20 2020 No.15898923 >>15898480 retard asmon > trainwrecks > destiny > sargon > nick > hasan

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 20:09:28 2020 No.15898931 >>15898923 asmongold is fucking gross

Anonymous Sat Jul 18 20:09:33 2020 No.15898933
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>>15898687
actually the purpose of debate is to challenge concepts and answer criticisms to concepts and theories... your idea that all beliefs are ultimately opinionated merely appeals to anecdotes about their motivations, some beliefs are arrived at through logic and reason while others are arrived at through personal inclination, often because of identifying too strongly with a concept or holding a view that a group of concepts are indispensible with regard to a worldview where the worldview constitutes such a plethora of mentally correlated concepts forming that person's identity... aka unintentional intellectual dishonesty... other beliefs are held on the basis of flawed logic but honestly these are unproblematic as logic has the potential to be dogmatic, e.g eschew flawed versions of itself... at any rate the exchange of ideas could involve a certain artistic flair just as a violinist playing a concerto could exhibit an extra-musical beauty, let us say his technique, the means by which he executes the piece, but this does not change the goal of executing the piece... just because debates involve flow and lyricism doesn't mean theyre detached from their utility. you could say all ideas are arbitrarily held but to actually hold this opinion to extent of precluding things like empiricism and verificationism would require such a drastic solipsism as to render truth itself a palliative

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 20:11:51 2020 No.15898950 >>15898933 You're the guy who made the thread about Perfect Blue, aren't you? Why don't you take a break from the internet and go read something?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 20:21:31 2020 No.15899015 >>15898850 Socrates versus Protagoras was one of my favorites of all time.

Anonymous Sat Jul 18 20:21:51 2020 No.15899016

>>15898933

>no no ree my epic debates actually mean something

The majority of political beliefs someone holds has entirely to do with their identity and emotionality. This is why most Jews support Israel whereas most Muslims do not - if this fundamentally wasn't an emotion driven debate then you wouldn't see such stark differences.

It's the same with the vast majority of debates. Once a political issue gets big enough then people will start projecting onto it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 20:23:02 2020 No.15899025 >>15898407 >>>/reddit/

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 20:23:26 2020 No.15899027 >>15898855 Public engagement won Hitler the chancellorship. He predicted why this would would be so in MK.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 20:25:21 2020 No.15899041 What's the appeal of watching any of these people. Are they entertaining personalities or do you feel informed

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 20:27:23 2020 No.15899059 >>15899027 Thanks for proving my point. See the posts I referenced.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 20:30:38 2020 No.15899083 >>15899041 because they have a sense of "authority" dubbed so by our peer group of millenials and zoomers same thing with Podcasters like Sam harris or the youtube heroes like Peterson and Shapiro

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 20:30:54 2020 No.15899084 >>15898687 Modernity must be destroyed https://youtu.be/v6KH5-DPfnw

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 20:32:55 2020 No.15899101 >>15899027 Hitler's political philosophy was based on the ideas of Carl Schmitt who pretty much said what >>15898687 is saying

Anonymous Sat Jul 18 20:33:57 2020 No.15899111

>>15898480
>Hasan >
There's no way anyone actually thinks this, right? Even if you happened to agree with everything he does, the guy is as dumb as a brick and thinks paying his editor in computer parts means the editor owns the means of production over his YouTube channel

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 20:34:49 2020 No.15899116 >>15899084 https://youtu.be/rFgdDS-WmwU

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 20:35:10 2020 No.15899121 >>15898643 Hasan's politics are terrible. He he lost every debate to Destiny and has admitted as such lol

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 20:35:58 2020 No.15899125 >>15899101 retard

Anonymous Sat Jul 18 20:36:40 2020 No.15899129

>>15899041
I think most viewers keep them on in the background for some white noise while they do other things on the internet (homework, gaming, browsing the 'Chan, etc.). I'd be very surprised if viewers sat through an entire stream like a regular TV program.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 20:41:01 2020 No.15899164 >>15898407 Guessing their political standings based on looks: >Left-winger >Destiny >Sargon >Nick >Trainwreckstv >Right-winger >HasanAbi >Center >Asmongold How right am I?

Anonymous Sat Jul 18 20:42:06 2020 No.15899177

>>15899101
Ahh. I do not necessarily draw the distinction as he stated here:
>If you want to actually change someone's mind you don't debate them - you appeal to their emotions
In forensics I generated confusion on how to judge my presentations because, though they were overtly labeled properly, I used enough dramatic material that judges wanted to judge me as if it were Dramatic Interp - though the piece be a Negative Advocacy. This was considered unorthodox but someone had obviously thought about it because it was accounted in the rules.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 20:43:20 2020 No.15899187 >>15899164 >still being stuck on the Left/Right Continuum in 2020

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 20:44:02 2020 No.15899193 >>15899177 Dude, you need to take your medication. I can tell who you are because you sound confused.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 20:44:19 2020 No.15899197 >>15899164 not even close

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 20:45:45 2020 No.15899209 >>15899164 >Left winger Hasan >Centrist Destiny >Right wing Sargon >Far right Nick I don't know where Asmongold goes and I think Trainwecks is like center right or right wing

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 20:46:48 2020 No.15899218 >>15899209 Sargon would probably be considered far right right.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 20:47:38 2020 No.15899224 >>15898480 Nick>>>>>>>everyone else America First, bitch

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 20:48:42 2020 No.15899232 >>15899193 >I can tell who you are because you sound confused OK. Point to my confusion and name me.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 20:49:28 2020 No.15899237 >>15899084 >>15899116 Policy debate is an abomination.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 20:49:50 2020 No.15899240 >>15899218 probably more right-wing/center right, nowhere near nick and much more socially liberal

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 20:49:50 2020 No.15899239 >>15899224 Cringe

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 20:50:12 2020 No.15899242 >>15898407 OFFICIAL IQ RANKING: destiny > asmongold > hasan/sargon/nick > train OFFICIAL WORLDVIEW CORRECTNESS RANKING: destiny > asmongold > sargon >nick/train/hasan

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 20:52:10 2020 No.15899262 >>15899242 Nick is way smarter than everyone on that list except Destiny. He is the only one who could hold up in a debate.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 20:53:38 2020 No.15899269 Ranking these guys in intelligence is like trying to figure out the worlds tallest midget.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 20:53:58 2020 No.15899272 >>15899240 Yeah but his socially liberal is just hiding his power level. You know he believes pretty much the same shit nick does

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 20:54:48 2020 No.15899279 >>15899239 Cope

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 20:56:42 2020 No.15899293 >>15899269 Destiny is pretty smart. In a debate with an established economist he told Destiny that he made better arguments than most economists he talks to.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 20:57:45 2020 No.15899299 >>15899279 Do you believe dinosaurs existed?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 21:00:05 2020 No.15899326 >>15899293 If that's not enough to demonstrate the uselessness of debate, then I don't know what is.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 21:00:45 2020 No.15899338 >>15899326 How

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 21:51:23 2020 No.15899730 File: 40 KB, 333x293, 1577666181051.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15899242 Why do you think Destiny has a high IQ?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 21:55:44 2020 No.15899773 >>15899209 Sargcuck is centre

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 21:55:45 2020 No.15899774 File: 93 KB, 860x795, 1594392571560.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15898407 the only people in that pic who can hold their own in a debate are just destiny and nick honestly

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 21:56:25 2020 No.15899778 File: 42 KB, 500x583, my shota wife.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15899730 not him but get better tastes in traps ffs

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 22:00:05 2020 No.15899805 >>15899774 >KEK Is this a good movie?

>>	Old Man Sat Jul 18 22:01:00 2020 No.15899816 >>15899084 Heh, these are the exact types of people you'd expect to "debate." All of these Destinies on crack will be replaced with computers eventually, and the soulful artists will remain.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 22:01:07 2020 No.15899819 >>15899774 >>15899805 Holy shit, is KEK being filtered to KEK or am I just retarded?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 22:07:31 2020 No.15899870 >>15899773 Centrist who believes blacks are genetically inferior

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 22:08:59 2020 No.15899883 >>15899730 because he dominates all of them in debates. maybe if Mr Metokur were up there I would rank him higher.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 22:10:24 2020 No.15899892 >>15899262 >He is the only one who could hold up in a debate. sadly we will never kno cos nick keeps coming up with excuses

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 22:21:09 2020 No.15899959 >>15899892 What are you talking Nick debated him like 2 weeks ago for the 6th time

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 22:23:14 2020 No.15899968 >>15899269 Destiny is unquestionably smart.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 22:26:44 2020 No.15899981 >>15899883 >Mr Metokur Kill yourself. >>15899968 He is a brainlet, his positions are internally contradictory.

Anonymous Sat Jul 18 23:06:41 2020 No.15900249
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>>15899016
you realize debates can encompass more than just identity politics right? like you can debate on stuff that's totally quantifiable like language. jesus why is everyone on this board such a fucking nincompoop

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 23:16:26 2020 No.15900307 >>15899819 KEK

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 23:17:34 2020 No.15900317 File: 6 KB, 223x226, 159254.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15898480 >being able to name the subhumans in the picture

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 23:20:49 2020 No.15900348 >>15900317 ...their names are on the picture

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 23:25:37 2020 No.15900385 File: 66 KB, 1280x720, maxresdefault (5).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15900348 >knowing enough of them to rank them

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 18 23:30:11 2020 No.15900418 >>15898641 I used to watch his show and I am honestly in disbelief how he even managed to pass his classes in Uni. He is 90 Iq (and that's being benevolent)

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 19 00:05:56 2020 No.15900660 Just so you guys know both destiny and hasan have discords that raid places (including 4chan) to talk about them and how smart they are.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 19 00:06:59 2020 No.15900667 >>15898407 What the fuck are you talking about? Ancient philosophers were nobles who quite literally did nothing but meet up and debate all day long.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 19 00:09:53 2020 No.15900690 File: 13 KB, 76x111, tripeek.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] For me, it's Ape gang.

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