/Burgerpunk/

[Anonymous No.15876785]

What characteristics would make a work burgerpunk?
What are the key aspects?
What about key themes?
What would you consider to be the key burgerpunk works thus far?
Would writing burgerpunk lit be a good move in the current climate?

[Anonymous No.15876806]

>>15876785
What is burgerpunk?

[Anonymous No.15876818]

For the sake of discussion, I'll add my own answers.
>characteristics
I would say the primary defining feature of burgerpunk is an exploration of suburban disillusionment. The idea of an entire society placated by prozac makes for a good illustration of such.
>key aspects
The previous point, in addition to a cozy highway-side aesthetic. The work doesn't need to actually use a highway as a point, but a similar feeling to being on the wayside to mass transit and intercultural exchanges.
>themes
Disillusionment, passive observation, quite a bit in common with American postmodernist thought.
>key works
Ducks Newburyport, while complete garbage, does somewhat attempt to delve into these ideas. Not really sure about others. DFW is somewhat similar, but does so in an ironically insincere fashion.

[Anonymous No.15876823]

>>15876806
There's not really a concrete definition, and it's mostly used as a buzzword at the moment.
The best way to describe it is looking at pictures of truckstops and highway rest stops, with all the fast-food signs and busy parking lots.
Finding a better definition is part of why I wanted to make a thread, I think it could work as a new genre if enough people got into it.

[Anonymous No.15876877]

>>15876785

What's "punk" about burgerpunk?

[Anonymous No.15876935]

>>15876877
Punk implies a general rejection of standards, I would say the punk here refers to the disillusionment with suburbanite lifestyles and overarching societal norms.

[Anonymous No.15876966]

>>15876823
That is not how it works, anon. You write something before giving a name to it. The anon above is probably on a 'better path' than you.

And it would be probably something deliberately offensive, transgressive, DIY, anti-burger. Unironically intersec vegan feminism or something along those lines.

[Anonymous No.15877001]

>>15876823
Or along the other side of it. Something burger fanatic, but it has to be offensive and transgressive, anon. So some child of hippie vegan parents who lives in some commune in the middle of fucking nowhere and do burgers himself.

[Anonymous No.15877119]

>>15876785
Capitalism and it’s consumerist ideas and the merging of pleasure, life fulfillment, and everyday life. The mixture of food, government, consuming in the technology and end of America.

This picture to me embodies it all too well. The billionaire president showing us the perfect product of American idealism while the Lincoln portrait questions itself.

[Anonymous No.15877121]

>>15876966
>>15877001
I think the focus on burger may be misleading.
As far as I'm aware, the 'burger' comes from the generalized description of Americana as being heavily 'burger-centric'.
Going from the same line of thought, however, I could see both sides of your argument, in that both the fanatic and transgressive sides of the coin would be equally representative of such a philosophy.
As far as the work coming before the naming, I generally agree, but I thought it would be fun to explore the idea of a philosophy that crops up from time to time. I still stand by my examples of Newbuyport and DFW, I think both would fit decently into the idea of burgerpunk, albeit in a fairly indirect fashion.
I'm also mildly tempted to include Nabokov, since he had such a fascination with the road-tripping highway-driving sight-seeing side of America.

[Anonymous No.15877152]

>>15877119
This is a brilliant picture to represent it.
I also like the idea of using food as an example of a consumer-centric society. America lives on its gut, both in the literal and figurative sense.
The idea of a society progressing from its founding ideals to a more capitalistic focus on blind consumption would make a fair cornerstone for such philosophy.
Do you have any books in mind that you've read that you would like to throw on the burgerpunk pile? Or any other works, for that matter.
And do you see burgerpunk becoming a more legitimate philosophy, or is it a mere biproduct of postmodernist society progressing along its own path? Perhaps even something different.
Thanks for the input, definitely value it.

[Anonymous No.15877169]

>>15877121
Yikes, anon. I prefer the "black sheep" kid burger meets a butcher who has a garage band. DFW isn't bad, but I definitely would call it burger punk.

[Anonymous No.15877186]

>>15877121
Why burgers then? Just call it American Punk or something.

[Anonymous No.15877192]

>>15877121
Intersec vegan feminism is more punk than any of those, anon. Unironically.

[Anonymous No.15877201]

Burgerpunk has already been invented by John Cheever, read his short story The Swimmer and you'll get the picture.

[Anonymous No.15877217]

>>15877186
I'm fairly certain it's just because the term comes from the chans, where everything American is referred to as burger. It's hard to find the exact origin though.
You could just as easily refer to it as neo-americana or any other variety of names.
>>15877201
I'm not familiar with this at all, thanks for the rec.

[Anonymous No.15877224]

is this burgerpunk?

[Anonymous No.15877246]

>>15877217
Are you going to write a book for anons?

[Anonymous No.15877259]

Jesus, anons from 2020 are too damaged to make memes. What happened?

[Anonymous No.15877273]

>>15877246
No, not particularly.
I do write, but I generally go for more surreal stuff.
I just thought a discussion about a newer genre/philosophy would be entertaining and help explore different approaches and ideas.

[Anonymous No.15877289]

>>15877273
Has to be memeable, anon. Punk is meme material. Those images are too bland. Call it burger aesthetics or something then.

[Anonymous No.15877306]

>>15877273
This Trump image is a bit like it >>15877119. But still what would be offensive and transgressive, anon? And not cliché, I can come up with some stuff related to it but they are all boring and repetitive. Look at images of punks, anon. Unironically.

[Anonymous No.15877307]

>>15877217
>It's hard to find the exact origin though.
there you go lad
>https://burgerpunk.github.io/

the term was first posted on /tv/

https://archive.4plebs.org/tv/thread/108377518/#108382498

[Anonymous No.15877357]

Over the last decade or so i've noticed reoccurring motifs and aesthetics in some films that I found very hard to classify in existing genres. Movies like: American Honey, Tangerine, Beasts of the Southern Wild, The Florida Project, Spring Breakers. All of the films grapple with post-recession US from a perspective of young people juggling an idealism of what America can/used to be/imagined as and the disillusionment which comes with being poor/downwardly mobile/consigned to the machine in such a soul destroying society. Youth, rebellion, innocence, idealism, cynicism, a search for alternative lifestyles that never work, and the aesthetic of suburban infill that is neither fully downtown city nor pastoral countryside - both being places that our characters are locked out of due to class position, or that no longer exist.

Point of all this, if you're interested in Burgerpunk maybe check those movies out and see if they scratch an itch.

As for books, I read this novel called Rule of the Bone awhile back. I can't remember if it was any good, but the coming of age in this overly commercial America was its whole schtick. Book was released in 95 though so its more of a Gen-X cynicism (see also: Chuck Palahniuk, Douglas Coupland, Bret Easton Ellis) then a reaction to 2008.

[Anonymous No.15877369]

>>15876785
Burgerpunk is Just Baudrillardian Realism.

[Anonymous No.15877376]

>>15877369
redpill me on Baudrillardian Realism

[Anonymous No.15877558]

>>15877307
Absolutely brilliant, thanks historian anon.
>>15877357
Thank you very much for the recs, and great post overall.
Fantastic points on the themes and overall reactions to societal flow, this is exactly the kind of discussion I was looking for.

[Anonymous No.15877601]

>Truck-Stop-NS.jpg
Didn’t realize my province has such comfy bugerpunk aesthetic

[Anonymous No.15877708]

I think one main thing that these commentaries about burgrerpunk are missing is war and war discourse. From my memory Reagan was the genesis of this but it really picked up after 9/11. There's something about modern american culture nowadays that is unable to frame any collective effort to deal with a national issue outside of the language of war.

[Anonymous No.15877845]

>>15877376
Read Simulacra and Simulation, hint: disneyland

[Anonymous No.15877877]

Is this burgerpunk?

[Anonymous No.15877892]

>>15877201
The film is great too

[Anonymous No.15877912]

>>15877601
This is why I think it may be a bit disingenuous to simply call it neoamericana or similar. The US is definitely not the only country with such comfy burgerpunk aesthetic.
>>15877708
This is an interesting point. Such conflict-centric society has a way of furthering the disillusionment so prevalent in such societies.

[Anonymous No.15877923]

>>15877877
if anything is, it would be this

[Anonymous No.15877985]

>>15877912
I think it also has something to do with rhetorically pre-apologizing for violence or avoidable deaths. Declaring a war on drugs was not only a way to inject war into something that didn't have to be declared as a war, but also to frame further government policy as having a necessary aspect of violence. It's the same with the idea of calling frontline healthcare workers "COVID-19 warriors" instead of people that have to suffer and die because of the failures of national health policy and the top level mismanagement of the pandemic. It means that any institutional or policy failure is obscured by hagiography or the rhetoric that violence and war was the only way of going about it. What happens when a society is in a multi-front war with visible and invisible enemies? What happens when a mundane group of people are suddenly thrust into mortal situations and then declared heroes by corporations and government?

[Anonymous No.15878028]

>>15876785
The phrase "burgerpunk" doesnt make sense the way "steampunk" or "cyberpunk" do because it just describes realistic conditions in america. It would be like calling dickens factorypunk.

[Anonymous No.15878237]

If pic related isn't burgerpunk then I might be misunderstanding the idea

[Anonymous No.15878291]

>>15878237
The first 2 thirds are burgerpunk. The last bit with the cop is not burgerpunk. What other good burgerpunk films do you anons recommend?

[Anonymous No.15878308]

On the Road x Grapes of Wrath x Fear and Loathing written by Samuel Beckett & JD Salinger

[Anonymous No.15878838]

>>15878237
definitely burgerpunk

[Anonymous No.15878885]

>>15877877
This is too self-aware to be Burgerpunk.

[Anonymous No.15878905]

>>15877912
Americana is sincere in the sense that it’s aim is nostalgia. 80’s stylized vapor wave aesthetics are more akin to neo-Americana. vapor wave is aware of the irony of that nostalgia, and to me irony isn’t part of Burgerpunk.

[Anonymous No.15878914]

Boyos I just want to say that these are some of the most legitimate and insightful threads on the board these days. No bullshit, only decent thinking. Keep up the good work.

[Anonymous No.15879050]

>>15877985
Absolutely fantastic points.
A society in a constant state of war with the visible and invisible is a perfect description of the modern approach to movement and conflict.
The idea of a mundane group or individual being thrust into such a situation is also a key to the burgerpunk aesthetic.
I hate to use the word, but there really is something kafkaesque about the whole situation. It comes back to that feeling of being beside a highway, all this traffic and collision and avoidance within an armslength, but without any ability to directly influence or interact with it, as though rendering the observer to a completely passive role.
>>15878905
The comparison to vaporwave raises some very interesting points. I agree with you that irony doesn't mesh well with burgerpunk, but the heavily ironic movements running alongside may influence the retreat to such cozy aesthetics. That is, burgerpunk is very sincere so as to act as a rest stop alongside the highway of modern irony and hypermaximalism.

[Anonymous No.15879129]

>>15878028
I don't see why "realistic" has to be a prerequisite. Qualifiers like "steam", "cyber", and "burger" describe a certain aesthetic, while the "punk" is an implicit call to rebellion against this prevailing aesthetic and the conditions that make it possible. Burgerpunk is a fine name because it captures the image of a world overrun by speed, consumption, commercialization, and the degradations of a proletarianized service economy. McDonald's is the perfect symbol for this.

That's why I unironically think pic related's collected posts are an emblematic example of the burgerpunk genre. Sincere feelings bursting forth in an insincere medium, melancholy for a purity that may have never been there, repetition in a bleak desolate urbanized landscape, the desire to rebel and break free without any real sense of what that would look like.

[Anonymous No.15879150]

>>15879050
I consider the Hummer to be the greatest culmination of what the burgerpunk movement is reacting to in American (and western capitalist) culture and politics.

It's a consumer car based on a military design that was sold in dealerships that mimic military bases. Its success in the early 2000s fed on the American desires for comfort and the appearance of safety, of bigness and consumption and conspicuousness. The fact that the American corporation could even attempt to militarize something as banal and domestic as the suburban SUV is as incredible as it is horrifying. The Great Recession wiped the brand out, but those cultural and psychological ley lines that GMC tapped in to while the brand was still active still exist today, and that I think is what burgerpunk is playing outside observer to.
Sorry if my posts are kind of everywhere, I'm a classical liberal by political extraction so I've been grappling with the political side of these issues for a while now.

[Anonymous No.15879219]

>>15879150
No need to apologize, good discourse is good discourse.
Fucking brilliant point on the hummer, the analogies are perfect. The militarization of consumption is closely related to the cycle of consumption that has become so pervasive. This would be like if McDonalds started selling their happy meals in MRE packets, complete with little bottles of tabasco.
Further, I think the idea of the observer being unable to find respite from such blatant militarized consumption is what drives the seeking of comfort in Americana. That is, the torrential wave of consumption and conflict becomes a constant stream of traffic that drives the group or individual to seek shelter.
>>15879129
This defines the term very well. The 'punk' rebellion isn't against any particular thought or system as it was in the past, but rather against the 'burger' consumerism that plagues contemporary society.

[Anonymous No.15879673]

>>15879219
Given the history of war, I think its indisputably insane that the United States invaded and occupied two countries in Asia at the same time and the American consumer just bought more and more, and the only change in habits was a shift to more products centered around the objects and ideas of those wars, like Hummer and Call of Duty. The average american citizen was so untouched by 21st century american war that the only real relationship they could have with it was through consuming it through referential products or media. What kind of disheartens me is that the American consumer seeks shelter from morally grey war and militarized consumption either with cultural nostalgia (I would add reboots of preexisting media properties to your point about Americana) or through unambiguous morally black-and-white violent narratives, or sometimes a mixture of both.

[Anonymous No.15880135]

>>15879673
The idea of reboots i also an interesting thing to explore.
It feeds into the idea of contemporary society yearning for the idealized version of past Americana that may not have ever actually existed.
It's as though society worships plaster idols of consumer goods.

[Anonymous No.15880409]

>>15876785
That image isn't burgerpunk because that's a Tim Hortons. It's leafpunk.

[Anonymous No.15880482]

>>15877224
Pajeets don't eat burgers.

[Anonymous No.15880585]

>>15876806
My interpretation of Burgerpunk is the destruction of art, the replacement of character with capital. when I think Burgerpunk, I picture driving through Small Town USA, and 99% of the buildings being strip malls and fast food joints. I picture an Old Pizza Hut, red roof and all, that now being used as a church. Burgerpunk says that extreme rot isn't a staple of a Scifi Future, but that it's already here.

[Anonymous No.15880599]

>>15880585
Bukowski is more offensive and transgressive than any of this. And it is not like his writing is something out of this world.

[Anonymous No.15880614]

>>15880599
Well, I didn't say that Burgerpunk was revolutionary. It's a 4chan invention. It's fun writer fuel though.

[Anonymous No.15880617]

>>15879150
>insightful articulates LITERALLY THE INTERSECTION BETWEEN FASCISM AND CAPITALISM
>is a classical liberal

Fucking how.

[Anonymous No.15880622]

>>15880614
But it is punk, anon. And it is a bit like burger. He even has a book named after a sandwich KEK

[Anonymous No.15880691]

>>15877224
currypunk

[Anonymous No.15880783]

>>15880585
An old pizza hut being used as a church is a fucking fantastic representation of burgerpunk.
Perfect example.

[Anonymous No.15880814]

>>15880783
I feel like it’s the other way round, right. The symbol you described implies a turn away from consumption and toward god, albeit overshadowed by capitalism.

[Anonymous No.15880831]

>>15876806
This is burgerpunk.

In the future, every new United State of Amazon employee-citizen is taken from his fleshparent's uterus to the True Womb, a machine that vaccinates and circumcises him before installing a Bluetooth in his inner ear and using a focused magnetic field to disable parts of the brain that allow belief in God. Then he is "born." An algorithm assigns him to the most genetically distant parenting triad possible. While his father spends countless hours teaching him how to be less wrong and do better, he dreams of growing up to be the Bull.

One Transday afternoon during the mandatory Five Minutes Rap played into his head, our young protagonist begins to sing along. As soon as "nig -" passes his lips he knows his life is over. His only chance is to escape and make it over the Wall.

Beyond the Wall are the Parks--closed permanently in 2032 by the Unbearable Whiteness of Hiking Act. He's heard whispers that Oppressors still live there, but always laughed them off as akin to Bigfoot and the Loch Ness Monster. But then why the narrow columns of smoke in the distance? A question he knew to keep to himself.

[Anonymous No.15880835]

>>15880585
I try to write my novels in a Burgerpunk setting, so actually figuring this out is sort of important to me. In my mind, burgerpunk is largely an aesthetic. It serves as a backdrop to the narrative and gives the story an absurdist bent. Corporate Mascots with human faces, corporate social media accounts with personalities reminiscent of the narrorator in a YA novel. Giving a cute face and a quirky personality to an entity that desires nothing other than the entire contents of your bank account. Burger King allowing you to open a line of credit so you can get burgers anytime, regardless of if you have money or not.

A society where most buildings are erected for the sole purpose of selling a product, not product in general, but A product. A building shaped like a Hamburger, a KFC bucket, a Bell. And when those die, as is guaranteed, a new, incompatible host must occupy its husk.

>>15880783
Yeah, I've seen my local Piza Hut used as a Tae Kwon Do place, a Church, a Greek joint and a Soul Food place. It's been sitting empty for five years now.
>>15880814
To me it represents a society ostensibly devoted to God, attempting to pursue this endeavor in the husk of a society built to serve Capitalism.

Burgerpunk is literally the most interesting thing 4chan has ever introduced me to.

[Anonymous No.15880852]

>>15880831
that's just cringe

[Anonymous No.15880866]

>>15880831
To me this is Cyberpunk adjacent. Burgerpunk is the Absurd Now, as opposed to the Terrifying Future.

[Anonymous No.15880894]

>>15880831
>not being allowed to say “nigger” is a violation of free speech

Grow the fuck up

[Anonymous No.15880899]

>>15880835
This is all great discourse.
The idea of corporations applying personality as a means to securing further consumption is an interesting concept. It further drives home the idea that they're empty husks seeking more money.
On the topic of god in such a setting, I think you're on to something with the pursuit in this capitalistic husk. It definitely sets up an interesting character struggle in finding the balance, or perhaps neglect, of either side of that coin.
And burgerpunk is a great concept, definitely the best thing to ever come out of this shit hole.

[Anonymous No.15880911]

>>15880894
Whatever, I'll have a coke

[Anonymous No.15880926]

Is White Noise burgerpunk?

[Anonymous No.15880983]

>>15880926
>>15877877
>>15878885

[Anonymous No.15881034]

>>15880831
>>15880831
He leaves the Tesla in the garage. Cars can be shut down remotely. The Liberals wanted to ban bikes until they could be too, but the Reactionary bloc held them at bay pleading bikes' smaller carbon footprint. Thanks, autogynephilic libertarians, thinks our hero. You did me a solid there.

He loads his backpack with So¥lent, Yerba Mate, and a rope and pedals for the Wall. It can only be passed at one point--the Memorial of the Undocumented Migrant, a great rainbow-colored ladder. Closed due to pandemic. He climbs unseen except by surveillance cameras. Fuck it. The Sentinels are already on their way. He rappels down the other side and he is in a green world. The USA is the past now.

[Anonymous No.15881049]

>>15876785
Is James Ferraro certified burgerpunk music?

[Anonymous No.15881066]

I'm genuinely curious what burgerpunk fantasy would look like.

[Anonymous No.15881084]

>>15876806
Cyperpunk except we did not get hypermodern urban sprawls like in Bladerunner but endless highways going through the desert to different Burger restaurants.

[Anonymous No.15881087]

>>15880831
that's not it

[Anonymous No.15881102]

>>15881034
>H-hello?
A hooded shape among the trees.
>A-are you --
It closes the distance with impossible speed. It must be seven feet tall. There is another. More? Creaking wheels. An animal's breath. A flash of pale muscled arm. Something irresistible pins his arms to his sides. Rough fabric on his face, darkness, a wooden floor. The carriage begins to roll.

[Anonymous No.15881110]

>>15881049
of the self-aware kind, maybe

burgerpunk is lightly slapping your palms against the wheel to "free fallin" while dropping your little sister off at her jr high school and she hasn't looked up from her phone once the entire ride, a smell of stale coffee in the air from an abandoned cup in the holder

[Anonymous No.15881115]

>>15876818
Agree with all but the first point. That feels like a dated critique, something from late 90s, early 2000s thought. I think the modern man/women is drowned in escapism. Distraction from an unfulfilling life is at your fingertips, it's on your PC, it's on your TV, it's on your radio, it's in your pantry, and you will never run out of it. Thanks to the internet, you have a near facsimile of a community based around any interest you can imagine. If you need a new religion, you can also fight about video game consoles, the Bachelor, Marvel and DC, or Politics. The modern person is completely separated from reality, and escapism will only become more immersive.
I think Burgerpunk runs against a problem if it attempts to weave a narrative around modern escapism though, as that will likely turn it into a blended Cyberpunk story.

[Anonymous No.15881130]

>>15876806
I understand it to be a vision of the future like cyberpunk where servility to consumerism and consuming has completely replaced all other callings and cultured endeavors.

[Anonymous No.15881144]

>>15881066
the commodification of magic and its total subsumption to Fantasy Capital, visible class stratification that maps the low class with proximity to maintenance lines of the society vs. elite separation and detachment, smoking a hand-packed cob pipe in the shadows of white towers that you will never see the upper studies of, laid off from your caravaning job because of new magickal golems that can run the lines themselves, along with cheap goblin labor who you have racial tensions with despite both being poor and stuck in the gears.

[Anonymous No.15881161]

>>15877224
i______ ___ s____.

[Anonymous No.15881180]

i prefer post burgercore

[Anonymous No.15881187]

>>15881180
chazcore

[Anonymous No.15881192]

>>15881180
Carl's Jr. says post-burgercore is based

[Anonymous No.15881195]

is burgerpunk something that can only be felt/discerned/understood by millennials and younger? like older generations created this world, they know how to navigate it, and while they'll admit to some things being fucked up they think the fact that you can get fresh bananas and milk at the store (even during a pandemic!) is a sign that everything's working out and if we only get trump out of office/hillary into prison/electric cars we're home free

i feel like if you bring up many burgerpunk(-adjacent) things that strike you as bizarre/insane you'll get silence and a blank look from older folks, or a quick hangdog acknowledgement before switching subjects. as if they get the gist but they refuse to affirm your notions. this "refusal" to get wholly "blackpilled", for lack of a better term, might have something to do with them having children/grandchildren

[Anonymous No.15881198]

Year of the Whopper is pretty burgerpunk, i'd imagine

[Anonymous No.15881205]

>>15881195
I think it's pretty gen-x/older millenial. Zoomers aren't living a truck stop life.

[Anonymous No.15881207]

>>15876785 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fA0yAcfnuuI&list=PLJVM0v14-iyqOM2LvDQEi-um1beX_3P7L&index=11

[Anonymous No.15881209]

>>15876806
The real cyberpunk if cyber punk were a flaccid penis hard on too much Viagra, since cyberpunk is now either on ice for a while or another lost future. Its disappointing, diabetic, industrially burning trees so we can masturbate to porn in 4k VR, over-sanitized, antibiotics fed to cows for the sole purpose of engorging the secondary sexual organs of teenage girls, talk show laugh tracks, remixing talk show laugh tracks into plunderphonics albums and selling them on bandcamp, excessive waste warnings printed on tshirts, questionable medical pracitices regarding vaccinations and the all pervading culture of complete fear and psychosis; schizophrenic fear of big state mandatory vaccinations (aka state-wide ptsd probably caused by childhood mutilation a la circumcision) trumpeted around so people can sell tshirts and psy-space inside your own mind, millions of youtube channels about conspiracy theories, black ethnostates inside walmarts, all this under the glum vista of individual atomization, individualism, and sincerely listening to the real human bean song on your way to the drive through, but sincerely.

[Anonymous No.15881221]

>>15880831
A- for effort, B- for execution
pic is excellent though
just need some clearly trademarking on the drone/robot, a more desolate/"ex-capitalized" landscape and it's 100%

[Anonymous No.15881244]

>>15880617
I appreciate the credit you're giving me, but I'll say I'm still a classical liberal because I don't think that it necessitates the kind of hegemonic global corporate capitalism that is so endemic to the world today. Not only does capitalism have its intersections with fascism, but I think there are other examples of autocracy and authoritarianism that interacts with capitalism, but I think that part of it results from consumerism. For example, look at the Second Serfdom during the 17th-19th centuries in Eastern Europe. Ballooning populations and burgeoning proto-industrial systems in Western europe led to forced labor further up the commodities/supply chain. But again, I'm still a classical liberal, albeit I'm struggling with the idea of keeping people liberal, especially when it comes to consumer societies. I guess I can't really answer your question as to why or how, since I'm still working things out myself.

[Anonymous No.15881247]

>>15881102
How many hours pass in silence. He hears the rattle of a campsite. Shuffling feet. The glow of fire through the hood. A sudden stop.
>Another one came over
>Chief's not gonna like it
>He'll have to. We couldn't leave him. You know what the so¥folk do in diversity training. Just get the damn thing out
The bustling pauses, turns to a murmur.
>YOU FOOLS!
An old man thunders.
>YOU'LL BRING THEM HERE!
>It's too late, big man. Just uncuck him.
>I SHOULD HAVE HAD YOU THROWN OVER THE WALL!
>YOU'LL BE THE END OF EVERYTHING!
>We'll get him
The giant shades pull him off the cart. Thud. The glow gets bigger and he can feel its warmth. One holds him from behind like a giant crab. The bag scrapes off his head. There is an ancient woman, covered in tattoos. She reaches into a satchel and produces a gleaming tube, sharp on one end.
>Ohnonono
An explosion of pain in his right ear. Hot blood runs down his cheek. Testing and twisting and a POP. It's out.
>Cast it into the fire!
The earpiece sits in the flames for a moment. He fears it is indestructible. But it begins to crackle. Then melt. Then is curls up into a black little ball like cannabis resin. Then it is dust.

[Anonymous No.15881262]

>>15881195
It's confusing, right? I'm a zoomer, and I assume most people ITT are. Burgerpunk having a strong pull on younger people is a complete contradiction, right? We came into a world that was already built to serve capital. I was born after the heydey of Red roof Pizza huts. Yet older people find this set up comfortable and normal, while to people in these burgerpunk threads it's something that is fundamentally unwell.

I think it's a variation of the youthful tendency to rebel on what is normal/traditional. But instead of tearing down religion and societal norms like most people our age, the people of 4chan are largely conservative or conservative adjacent. That means they want to tear down the past that they see as harmful to a conservative/Christian/Spiritual/Trad lifestyle.

You can also be against how Capitalism has developed and is currently expressing itself without necessarily being anti Capitalist. I do think Burgerpunk is largely anti capitalist, but unlike the majority of anti capitalist movements, it's not anti tradition or anti conservative or anti religion.

[Anonymous No.15881264]

>>15881209
Beautifuly put anon.

[Anonymous No.15881329]

>>15876785
Is it more based than Solar Punk, though?

[Anonymous No.15881342]

>>15881329
objectively so, my man
>but not frostpunk

[Anonymous No.15881360]

>>15881247
>*Tearing and twisting

The villagers rejoice to see the earpiece destroyed. They dance, they shout, they smash their cups together. It is not their first time. He looks around. The women all are beautiful. The men stand straight and strong. Despite the informal air, the men all keep their hoods on. Their robes have no sleeves. They look like they train eight hours of arms per day.
>W-where am I? Who are y-you?
All look to the Chief.
>We are the Covered Ones. Our home is the Wood. Here we keep the old ways, and await the end of the Age of Poz. We eat meat. We fuck only women and passing traps. We keep alive the arts of physical training and foreskin restoration
At these last words a smile bursts forth from the captive's mouth
>And who are you, young one?
>M-my name is...K-kyle
>No
Spoke the chief.
>You are the one who climbs
>Your new name is Monky

[Anonymous No.15881423]

Idiocracy really works as a post-burgerpunk piece.
Was Judge ahead of his time?

[Anonymous No.15881424]

>>15876785
There is Pynchon too, but I never read him.

[Anonymous No.15881430]

>>15876806
Pictures of truckstops in the US apparently

[Anonymous No.15881468]

>>15881424
As a massive fan of Pynchon that has read his work multiple times, I wouldn't really consider him burgerpunk.
There are some passages that lean into it a bit, but he really is mostly a postmodernist.
Bleeding Edge comes close to being burgerpunk, but doesn't really have the same aesthetic.

[Anonymous No.15881505]

surprised no one mentioned them

[Anonymous No.15881555]

[Anonymous No.15881578]

>>15881555
retvrn

[Anonymous No.15881716]

I've taken notes on all of those and I appreciate everyone's input.
Some absolutely great discussion in this thread.
Today, you weren't fags.

[Anonymous No.15881752]

>>15881468
Not even a burgerpunk stan, but I have to point out that if we're going to recognize burgerpunk as a term or style, you can't pretend Pynchon isn't completely part of it.
Also your distinction of burgerpunk from postmodernism is strange to me. The two are not mutually exclusive - wouldn't you consider burgerpunk a pretty direct expression/variety of pomo aesthetic?

[Anonymous No.15881800]

>>15881752
I can see where you're coming from.
I do consider burgerpunk as an evolution or offspring of pomo, but with a more passive aesthetic.
Pinecone definitely incorporates the aspects of schizophrenic paranoia and fragmented personality that could be described in a burgerpunk setting, but that's mostly philosophical rather than aesthetic.
I guess where my main issue with calling him burgerpunk is the lack of pure burger aesthetic. Yes he delves quite deeply into americana and the likeness of oversaturated consumer culture, but he doesn't quite hit the same vein as the idealized truckstop in the middle of a desert that's become so popularly connected to burgerpunk, and such aesthetic seems to be more of a foundational point in burgerpunk than in other genres.
All that being said, the more I think on it the more I can see your side of it. I'd still be more comfortable referring to him as more of a progenitor to burgerpunk rather than a participant. That is, I would imagine burgerpunk artists and authors to be the kind of people that would read pinecone rather than him being burgerpunk himself.

[Anonymous No.15881887]

>>15881752
>>15881800
Also, to further discuss what I view as the difference between postmodernism and burgerpunk, I think the crux of the issue lies in the approach taken in response to hyperconsumerism.
Postmodernists tend to take an ironic and offensive approach to illustrating the problems with such culture, while burgerpunk almost seems to seek shelter away from it, but still exist alongside it.
These burgerpunk threads almost always refer to the aesthetic as comfy and cozy. It's something familiar to the party, albeit in a despondent and detached manner, as though meekly accepting the presence of these monolithic corporations.

[Anonymous No.15881924]

>>15881800
Yeah you've swayed me. Nailed it with that last point. I like the idea of Pinecone as progenitor. It acknowledges his role but doesn't claim to represent the style

[Anonymous No.15881976]

>>15881887
I like this distinction. I misunderstood burgerpunk to be an affirmation of pic related, but its more like
>sunset at desert truckstop
>hum of neon sign
>cicadas
>distant traffic

[Anonymous No.15882034]

>>15881976
It could be both, they both work as settings to explore the ideas thus far proposed, albeit from completely different sides of the coin.
I really enjoy your brief little scene there, that nails the comfy side perfectly. Honestly suprised no one has touched on the humming neon signs yet, that's peak burgerpunk alongside the distant traffic and cicadas.

[Anonymous No.15882115]

>>15876785

>What characteristics would make a work burgerpunk?
Consumerism and minimum wage is the way of life. Some don't want to leave it. Those who do dream of being a hippie commune or venture in art/literature.
>What are the key aspects?
The life that can be afforded w/ a minimum wage. Minimum wage cars, girls, vice, and once in a lifetime dreams like Detroit Rock City.

[Anonymous No.15882349]

>>15876785
What are the most burgerpunk states in the US?

[Anonymous No.15882402]

>>15882349
Georgia. Not only is Atlanta endemic of the horizontal sprawl that Burgerpunk is based around, but Georgia itself is packed to the brim with towns exactly like the towns described ITT. Georgia is also home to:
>Incredibly low minimum wages
>Urban technofuture hellscapes directly adjacent to 1950s era plantation towns where most black people are maids/housekeepers
>The modern center of Hip Hop Music along with a large Country Music presence
>What is essentially an amusement park for Coca Cola
>Extreme poverty and crime in the same city where black people are most prosperous.

[Anonymous No.15882413]

>>15882349
top 10

>FL
>MD
>MO
>AZ
>UT
>IN
>NC
>GA
>WI
>NE

[Anonymous No.15882422]

Any music albums that could resemble in some burgerpunk movie soundtrack?

[Anonymous No.15882438]

>>15882422

[Old Man No.15882469]

>>15876806
Go outside

[Anonymous No.15882490]

>>15876785

Would it be people in fast food uniforms doing stuff...?

Oh, I know! you could start the series off with a gang sort of theme. You got the MickeyDees vrs the Arbies, two rival gangs of vicious youths. You can literally do anything with that, I mean you could throw some romeo and juliette shit in there, or make it another dumb twilight ripoff.

[Anonymous No.15882544]

>>15876785
I wonder if some sort of major work could come out of this thread in the future.

[Anonymous No.15882565]

>>15882544
don't get your hopes up

[Anonymous No.15882683]

>>15882565
True, although I do consider myself an optimist - Especially since SCP was largely born on /x/. Maybe something can come out of there.

[Anonymous No.15882708]

>>15882544
Burger punk is so native to this website that I'd really like to put together a creative writing event. A collection of short stories/novelletes/novellas, or maybe just a group of people who attempt to write Burgerpunk novels. I know that there is a Google doc but that has zero curation or theme.

[Anonymous No.15882756]

>>15876785
stop with this burgerpunk bullshit.
If you're american just write about your life and it will be "burgerpunk"

[Anonymous No.15882810]

>>15876806
https://youtu.be/mLRy_5U7rF8

[Anonymous No.15882961]

>>15878291
What's Eating Gilbert Grape