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15874093 No.15874093 [Reply] [Original]

Lovecraft is just one of those authors that all literature students know are pretty trash (because you've had to extensively read him, along with a bunch of other, better stuff), but is very popular with the mainstream because people haven't actually read a word of Lovecraft, they just like Ctuluhu stuff. As my american literature teacher says: if you want to read a Lovecraft story, pick one that wasn't written by Lovecraft

>> No.15874103

Wait, do americans really put Lovecraft in their school curriculum?

>> No.15874148

>>15874093
I got the complete fiction for Christmas a few years ago and I couldn't believe how shitty and boring every single story is

>> No.15874173

>>15874093
Niggerman

>> No.15874180

>>15874093
cringe cope

>> No.15874191

>>15874093
>American literature teacher
You have to be 18 to post here

>> No.15874196

what the fuck are you talking about, i was never forced to read him. Anyways, the world he conjures up is a universe that is exploitable. and thats how we get things that are "lovecraftian"

>> No.15874343

>>15874093
>if you want to read a Lovecraft story, pick one that wasn't written by Lovecraft
Oh please your teacher sounds torn up inside that a racist could be so successful while they've lived their entire life virtue signalling and carefully abiding by whatever new guidelines the progressives force in them. Lovecraft is a good author, your teacher has done nothing.

>> No.15874442

>>15874343
They still got you to reply.

>> No.15874448

>>15874343
based

>> No.15874459

>>15874343
Nah many people agree that his plots & characters aren't that great, although there is no denying his imaginitive power

>> No.15874464

>>15874459
This is 4chan. They think any genuine formal criticisms of Lovecraft's prose is animated by a desire to tear down a "racist." I'd honestly just want him to have written better so I could enjoy the worldbuilding more.

>> No.15874465

>>15874173
Lol, makes me laugh every time

>> No.15874478

>>15874093
No way, Lovecraft is delightful. He's spooky, he's wonderfully entertaining. What more do you want? Clark Ashton Smith is also great; he's like Lovecraft plus sex and humor.

>> No.15874643

>>15874173
I read the colour out of space, shadow over innsmouth, at the mountains of madness and call of cthulhu solely because i laughed at niggerman desu and i dont regret it

>> No.15874829

>>15874093
What fucking school teaches H.P Lovecraft?

He is under-read, if anything. Nobody reads Lovecraft properly, they just read the Cthulhu stuff (his worst work) and not good tales of horror like The Thing on the Doorstep or his essays on poetry.

>> No.15874843

>>15874829
Screenshotting so I read this

>> No.15874862

>>15874093
Fine for high school level readers, which is also when most people stop reading, hence his enduring popularity I assume.
>>15874173
There it is

>> No.15875496

>>15874093
2/10
try harder next time

>> No.15875635

>>15874343
basado

>>15874464
Lovecraft was a great writer. You and that fag teacher can go fuck yourselves.

>> No.15875637

Lovecraft was a pulp writer. I don't think anyone claims he's some literary giant, and I also don't think he's required reading in any sort of educational course/institution. Weak bait.

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15875881

The bait isn’t even good

>> No.15875946

Horror at Martin's Beach is the single best piece of horror writing out there
t. PhD Lit student

>> No.15876766

Is there a good selection of his work that collects his best efforts?

>> No.15876948

>>15874093
>because you've had to extensively read him
Fucking nobody assigns Lovecraft. Shill elsewhere

>> No.15877048

>>15874093
>>15874829

Err, yeah... What lit college teaches him at all, let alone "extensively"?

>> No.15877082

>>15874093
>if you want to read a Lovecraft story, pick one that wasn't written by Lovecraft
Lovecraft wasn't the best, but he's way better than all the hacks who tried to copy his work.

>> No.15877317

I bought some nice looking collection of his works (not all). I take it with me every time I go abroad. They seem all right, and I really enjoy how much detail he gives to the scenery.

>> No.15877337

>>15874093
If you're gonna shit on Lovecraft shit on Lovecraft, but that advice by your teacher is dogshit. The derivative trash that makes up the Cthulhu Mythos is never worth reading.
I prefer his earlier stuff, the Dream Cycle is choppy but extremely imaginative.

>> No.15877367

>>15874103
No

>> No.15877390

Was Dunsany the main influence on Lovecraft's dreamy parts?

>> No.15877505

>>15875635
Look how hurt you are. Surely this isn't that important to you... right, anon?

>> No.15877571

OP here this is some retarded youtube comment I found funny and posted as bait, but it fascinates me how >>15877505 will just naturally join in on trolling some random online guy, pretty funny

>> No.15877667

>>15875637
Lovecraft was a literary malcontent forced to write in whatever magazine tool him
Lovecraft was a classicist, Clark Ashton Smith a romantic

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>>15877390
Yes. He imitated Dunsany to the extent that he wrote in a 1929 letter “There are my ‘Poe’ pieces and my ‘Dunsany pieces’—but alas—where are my Lovecraft pieces?

>> No.15879524

>>15874343
Successful? He melt to death, dirt poor, forgotten and overshadowed by his "friends" until much later.

>> No.15879616

>>15874459
>Nah many people agree that his plots & characters aren't that great
No one's plot and characters are great, /lit/ doesn't even like fiction for that matter.

>> No.15879629

I can not understand this lovecraft meme at all. Stylistically he's gorgeous.

>> No.15879694

>>15874093
Just because you hated his books while your in 6th grade doesn't mean he's terrible.

>> No.15880112

>>15874343
>Lovecraft is a good author
Lovecraft is 2nd rate on his best day.

>> No.15880143

>>15879694

Certainly it does. Some of the best, truest opinions are those formed in one's formative years. t. not that guy and correct

>> No.15880193

>>15874103
I've never heard of Lovecraft being taught

>> No.15880229

>>15877082
Clark Ashton Smith was better (though he was Lovecraft’s contemporary so maybe that doesn’t count), Ligotti is better

>> No.15880332

>>15874093
Shit bait; no high school or college assigns Lovecraft, and the vast majority of Lovecraftian authors are pale imitations of Lovecraft.
>>15877571
What video? Post the link.

>> No.15880366

>>15875637
>Lovecraft was a pulp writer.
Technically true, but Lovecraft despised most pulp fiction and, unlike most other pulp writers, wrote purely for artistic expression. He didn't care about money or pandering to the public's tastes, and would get very mad when a pulp magazine editor would mess with his work.

>> No.15880380

>>15874093
I like him for the pulpiness, its cozy writing. I dont give a shit about aliens

>> No.15880445

>>15877505
>who hurt you tier response
Fuck off reddit

>> No.15880477

>>15878903
Where to start dunsany?

>> No.15880526

>>15874093
Who’s making anyone read Lovecraft? I’ve never heard of him being taught except maybe in specialized university courses (like horror in literature or science fiction and fantasy courses or something). He certainly isn’t taught in High Schools or as part of most English curriculums in university.

>> No.15880554

>>15880143
lol

>> No.15880661

>>15880477
At the beginning, and I'm not memeing; his first couple of short-story collections, The Gods of Pegāna and Time and the Gods, are excellent and very clearly had a massive influence on Lovecraft's Dream Cycle stories.

>> No.15880677

>>15874093
Your teacher is a retard.

>> No.15880725

>>15874093
His short stories are great, his long ones not so much.

>> No.15880726

>>15874093
Lovecraft is no doubt a clunky writer, but the other authors of the 'Cthulhu mythos' are even worse. It's genre fiction, plain and simple. Read Poe.

>> No.15881062

>>15880332
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmdzptbykzI
the second reply to
>The level of passive-aggressive scorn in this video is supernatural.

>> No.15881078

>>15879524
>forgotten
niggerman

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>>15878903
poor fucker died in poverty and thinking he was a failure, and now teenage retards who can't appreciate his titan imagination post reddit-tier memes about him
truth is that in terms of imaginative fiction there is no one who can equal him, and the sheer scope and apprehension of the unknown in his writing
his style is also immensely enjoyable for me – I love it as well as his ability to create a unique, concise and powerful atmosphere with his imagery
stories like the Colour out of Space or the Thing on the Doorstep or the Haunter of the Dark awaken my imagination like nothing else and I treasure them dearly
anyone who feels a personal kinship with him like I do could probably be my friend

>> No.15881256

>>15881062
God I hate this video so much, she can't go two seconds without clarifying that WHAT? Lovecraft didn't like minorities?? I could never have gathered that from just, i don't know, reading his stories!

>> No.15881274

>>15874093
I don't think he's a bad writer at all and don't really understand why people say that. Is it just they find is affected Victorian style annoying? Because it's not actually poorly done. He has plenty of very quotable lines too.

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15881297

The Outsider is one of my favourite short stories primarily by the power of its writing.
>>15881251
Great post.

>> No.15881306

>>15878903
he's also hella influenced by Blackwood

>> No.15881337

>>15881251
I am to this day surprised Haunter of the Dark did not become the go to story when it comes to HPL. The silver key stories are probably my favourite part of his work. It is sad he died young, I always feel like they are incomplete.

>> No.15881615

>>15879524
You are the one forgotten in life and death

>> No.15882923

>>15878903
That's so tragic. I wish he knew how appreciated he was. Maybe one day he will.

>> No.15882957

>>15874478
>What more do you want?
Character development?

>> No.15883379

>>15874173
His only redeeming quality

>> No.15884434

>>15881078
>forgotten and overshadowed by his "friends" until much later.
>until much later
Read the whole sentence you fucking inbred spastic.
>>15881615
You don't know that, I haven't died yet. And I'm not rotting to cancer like the talentless hack you worship. Maybe I'll do and become famous

>> No.15884445

>>15880366
He was a pulp writer published in pulp magazines. If you eat shit you eat shit, no matter how you hate the taste.

>> No.15884454

>>15882923
He's ded

>> No.15884466

>>15874093
He's not good. He's pulp-good, which is good enough for the average American. And it's a widely accepted belief that Americans are anti-culture. So.

>> No.15884925

I'm sure that if he didn't die young and was able to refine his writing with a well-lived life, then the scope of his imagination would have enabled him to produce works of significant literary significance . At most the things he did produce were merely pleasant reads, and not the enthraling mindfucks that edgy <s o y boys> would have you believe.

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I like hp because of his style. He has a set of discribing words that I find interesting and fun to say. I like how he builds his worlds and how he slowly introduces the horror in the form of feverish retellings of a traumatized narrator. It's all so eclectic and charming. Like the other anon said just very pleasant to read.

ALTHOUGH
There was one part in Shadow Over Innsmouth. The part where the fish men are banging on the door and trying to get in to the narrator. I thought that was written very well. It really pulled me into the space with the narrator while he frantically tries all the doors and figures out how to escape.

obligatory NIGGERMAN

>> No.15885096

>>15884955
SOI was great, that whole scene was fantastic.

>> No.15885255

Lovecraft is like Bukkowski, mediocre writing but amazing atmosphere and weird vibes.
It's OK.

>> No.15885331

>>15877505
I'm just stating the truth: Lovecraft was a great writer, and you can go fuck yourself. No more, no less.

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>>15885255

>> No.15885408

>>15874093
>had to

Screencap or snap your readinglist.

I do not believe he is anything but a note in writing workshops.

>> No.15885436

>>15874343

>Good author
Even S. King dabs on HPL for overusing the mental breakdown device to end his stories.

Come on.

Landmark author, for opening the possibility of cosmic horror. That's the star achievement. Not much else going for HPL.

>A racist could be so successful
>So
>Successful
Cringing OCD autist, got dumped by a qt3.14, never landed money, had to sell his furniture, recluse his whole life.

If you think this is success i think you must be halfway there yourself.

>> No.15885438

>>15885436
he was successful... posthumously

>> No.15885444

>>15885331
>No more, no less

A person with extraordinarily pedestrian idiom thinks Lovecraft is a great writer.

Checks out.

>> No.15885463

>>15885438
Also nope.

Derleth is responsible for making him famous; derleth is the successful one, really. He took a meme (cosmic horror) and made it a legend.

Why do you think HPL is so great? Apart from the opener of Call of Cthulhu, there's little else.

>> No.15885475

>>15885463
but nobody remembers or cares about Derleth, which makes Lovecraft the successful one

>> No.15885503

>>15885475
I remember Derleth, and i wager you have not read him.

If you are in love with Master Lovecraft you would have sought out his disciples, of whom Derleth is key apostle.

If you have not, perhaps you wish only to carry on the argument only because you made it, or you have not learned how to gracefully retract a falsified posit.

Do you need an anon to advise you on such things? Should not you have already learned them lurking before venturing to post?

This is why you must start with the greeks.

For you specifically, Pindar.

>> No.15885504

>>15885503
nigga you coping

>> No.15885535

>>15877048
I saw a Melville scholar offering a Lovecraft seminar just for shits but I didn't enroll because I couldn't subject myself to reading Lovecraft for an entire semester.

>> No.15885538

>>15885504
Droll.

I can only hope that henceforth you read nothing but Lovecraft, so that you continue to learn nothing, and end having written nothing worth reading yourself.

>> No.15885576

>>15885535
But a seminar's just a few hours right?

Why not just smoke a joint before class and sip rum right through?

>Melville
>Scholar

oh. Waste of time.

>> No.15885676

>>15879616
>No one's plot and characters are great, /lit/ doesn't even like fiction for that matter.
That only shows that /lit/ is rarely right about anything, since plot and characters are among the most powerful inventions of art. In terms of pure exploration of themes art will always be inferior to philosophy, since the later conceives concepts with greater clarity and distinctness. To claim that art's greatest asset is the exploration of concepts is to say that art is merely an more crude but picturesque form of philosophy.

>> No.15885898

>>15885436
the mental breakdown meme is a myth

the majority of lovecraft's most popular works don't end with "ahhg cthulhu my brain, i'm gonna go CRAZY." I know Dagon, rats in the walls and shadow over innsmouth end this way but CoC, Mountains of Madness, Colour out of space, the thing on the doorstep, the dunwhich horror, etc. do not.

>> No.15886025

>>15885898

>These examples do not
Fair enough, though i submit that memery is a matter of opinion.

Enough of them have the gibberer Bad End for it to be a mythos trope.

That's all im pushing.

>> No.15886039

>>15874093
>american literature teacher

>> No.15886072

>>15874343
100% this

>> No.15886217

Just play Bloodborne

>> No.15886235

>>15882923
He knows

>> No.15886281

>>15886217
Or Demon's Souls if you have taste.

>> No.15886326

>>15874459
SHUT THE FUCK UP
You fucking bugman, i hate your species. You dont love literature! You dont know what literature even is! You disect books like they are scientific project. Hmm is this plot good? Hmmm are the characters well written? God SHUT THE FUCK UP

>> No.15886333

>>15885444
Is this really your reply? Lol

>> No.15886863

>>15886326
>>15886333
>>15886072

Suck my shoggoth, you squamous batrachian (You).

>> No.15886902

>>15881251
>poor fucker died in poverty and thinking he was a failure
Got to suck on some khazar milkers so it wasn't all bad.

>> No.15886955

>>15886326
based

>> No.15887030

>>15884955
Shadow over Innsmouth is by far his best one, in ATMOM the reader still feels kinda removed from the story even though he describes everything, in SOI you're there and you're about to be raped by murlocs.

>> No.15887189

>>15874093
Lovecraft's work is more evocative than it is truly scary. He was a master of tone and atmosphere on a level that few could ever match. His ability to create concepts that engross people is also fantastic. His prose is also a joy to read, I sometimes like to jump from him to Hemingway and back again for a real trip.
But he was messy. His stories seemed to have trouble fitting together right, and there were times were what he was trying to convey is not really clear. And there is that what is scary to him, is not necessarily scary to others. Lovecraft's lack of editorial critique makes his horror a very personal kind and that can make a lot of it fairly soft hitting at times.

Still, most of the time I can get on his wavelength and feel the kind of dread that he was working with. But there are times where what I'm reading doesn't really do it for me.
I will also admit that depending on the story the racism can get a bit draining. I can stand a decent bit of it just due to reading a lot of older works in general, but it does go too far and just feel kind sad.

>> No.15887225

>>15885463
Derleth literally didn't 'get' Lovecraft. He may have been friends with HPL, but his works do not fit the same ideals and his attempt to expand the mythos just resulted in it being of lesser overall quality.
His attempt to add in more good gods to balance the apathetic and evil ones and his attempt to categorize the 'pantheons' just took a lot of the personality out of the whole system.

>> No.15887273

>>15887030
I'm more of a Horror at Red Hook or Rats in the Walls kind of man myself.

>> No.15887341

>>15887225
Enlighten me pls, if you can spare the post.

What did derleth miss that was the quintessence of HPL?

>Eyerolled epileptic terror
>When encountering the Unknowable Infinite

Ye-es, but apart from that? It can't be the defining feature of cosmic horror, surely. HPL's response (to gibber) is just one human response; Conan's (to have a go at it) is another.

>> No.15887353

>>15887341
Is it the feeling of a lonely amoral and monstrous universe that comes only with Old Gods, and no others?

>> No.15887360

>>15887225
Add: i don't respect his new gods either. Acanonical, afaiac.

I only consider his work on Lovecraftian gods.

>> No.15887401

>>15887189
This.

I've been spoiled by so many flavors of viscereal moral panic (vampires, zoms, xenos) that lovecraftian dread is almost a theological concern, very far removed from my immediate meatbag feelings.

Yes yes beyond the stars is an unhuman awfulness, but right now i'm out of AAAs and milk.

>> No.15887409

>>15887341
Introducing things like elemental alignments in an attempt to add structure.
Constantly adding new gods that were literal family of the others (HPL did some of this rarely in his letters, but it scarcely made it into the actual stories) turns what are unknowable deities that are beyond comprehension to some kind of structured pantheon more easily understood than the Grecian or Japanese ones let alone something like the Hindu deity set-up.
And there is just a generally different view being given to the world. Derleth was Christian while HPL was far from it. Derleth lacks the amoralism and spite that Lovecraft brought with him.
That mean-spiritedness is the root of what makes Cosmic Horror work. You can write Christian horror, but Christian Cosmic Horror isn't really something that I can see ever working.

>> No.15887636

>>15887409
You isolated the isotope!

Very good.

I get that.

Yeah, derleth adding a comprehensive knowable theology diluted the lovecraftian affect.

It is too bad for the lore that derleth added structure, though i think derleth's dilution gave it longevity.

Like a allosaur evolving into a berb.

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>>15887189
>I will also admit that depending on the story the racism can get a bit draining. I can stand a decent bit of it just due to reading a lot of older works in general, but it does go too far and just feel kind sad.
Fuck off redditor. His racism is one of the things that make his stories comfy and that make me relate to him on a personal level.

>> No.15887792

>>15887189
>Lovecraft's lack of editorial critique makes his horror a very personal kind and that can make a lot of it fairly soft hitting at times.
I hear people say this all the time, but I don't actually get it. A big problem has to do with the fact Lovecraft doesn't know when to shut the fuck up with his descriptions which ends up destroying the suspense more often than not. He has zero care for literary tact.

>> No.15887809

>broke
worrying about the racist aspects of Lovecraft
>woke
worrying about the Lovecraftian aspects of black people

>> No.15887816

Fuck Lovecraft
Fuck Poe
Fuck Ligotti

Fuck Horror and Weird Fiction.

>> No.15887824

>>15887792
>Lovecraft doesn't know when to shut the fuck up with his descriptions
found the a*glo

>> No.15887846

>>15887816
And (You).

Don't forget (You).

>> No.15887848

>>15887824
t. worships an anglo writer who himself is an anglo supremacist

>> No.15887860

>>15887848
I haven't read a single story of his but the criticism of too much description/flowery language usually comes from a*glos

>> No.15887876

>>15887860
Lovecraft was an American larper who imagined himself as at the forefront of a culture war for traditionalism.
He believed that the Revolution was a mistake and signed off his letters with 'God save the King'.

>> No.15887893

>>15887860
What can I say? I don't like trudging through stiff robotic prose.

>> No.15887900

>>15887792
>No literary tact
He was an autist who actually feared black people back when racism was still an acceptable pastime.

Not just black dindu violence, but black people essentially. Mere blackness and ebonics gave him the heebies.

How much tact you think this jellyfish has?

>> No.15887909

>>15887900
I honestly pity the foo'.

I really do.

>> No.15887914

>>15887860
Tsk.

You're a plain racist, sir.

>> No.15887937

>>15887860
Dickens is nothing but description.

What the hell now?

>> No.15887939

>>15887900
He just needed to have sex (which he did).

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>>15887860
>In this respect he was a sort of immeasurably lighter-handed Rabelais, whom, indeed, he resembled in that sensuous exuberance of temperament which his countrymen are fond of calling peculiarly "Gaulois." He had an almost Rabelaisian relish for enumerations, lists, and catalogues—a sort of grotesque delight in quantity.
kek

>> No.15887978

>>15887939

Not sure he did make chinga; got a cite?

Did you read the breakup letter tho?

That shit was just great.

Awkward jellyness start to finish.

>> No.15887984

>>15887860
>anglos
>not autistically obsessed with detail and precision
lol

>> No.15887992

>>15887984
Thats more Germanic. An Anglo would be that obsession but directed towards being eternally smug even when losing.

>> No.15887998

>>15887978
I'm basing this solely off memory and I don't remember the context but I think Lovecraft's wife did say he was decent in bed.

>> No.15888009

>>15887953
Is he talking about defoe or actually lovecraft?

Tiresome catalogues isnt lovecraft at all.

>> No.15888011

>>15887937
>Dickens's approach to the novel is influenced by various things, including the picaresque novel tradition,[146] melodrama,[147] and the novel of sensibility.[148] According to Ackroyd, other than these, perhaps the most important literary influence on him was derived from the fables of The Arabian Nights.
Dickens was influenced more by the flowery temperament of the warmer climates.

>> No.15888034

>>15887998
>Lovecraft
>Lord Squeamish
>Fears weird moist otherness
>Is said to be good in bed by exwife
>At an era in america where such things are not openly bandied

You have to have a source bro.

This is too much.

>> No.15888037

>>15888009
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/French_Poets_and_Novelists_(London:_Macmillan_%26_Co..,_1878)/Theophile_Gautier
He is talking about the French poet Gautier

>> No.15888049

Why is everybody on this board so poorly educated

>> No.15888070

>>15888011
>Dickens had a tropical sensibility

HPL did move back into the rurals, overwhelmed by NY...

I give you the point.

>> No.15888079

>>15888037
Lol you joker.

>> No.15888090

>>15888049
>I am smart and you must know it.

We know.

Go away.

>> No.15888140

>>15888090
seethe

>> No.15888150

>>15888140
Shall i say cope now?

Cope.

>> No.15888166

>>15888150
cope

>> No.15888173

>>15888150
>>15888166
Marsh won the Bone Wars you shits.

>> No.15888178

>>15888173
dilate

>> No.15888204

>>15888173
What are you on about ya furry wankstain?

>> No.15888299

>>15888166
Cope

>> No.15888343

>>15884445
Yo need to read the stoics anon, hating the taste is the only thing that matters

>> No.15888596

>>15888343
I'll consider it

>> No.15888600

>>15874173
take me by the hand

>> No.15888720

>>15874093
I'm not so sure. In my neck of the woods, he is known only by the kind of people who listen to Black Metal and still play modded Oblivion, and wear black leather combat boots in the summer. I did a literary elective at university, and the only americans we read were Melville, Whitman and Pynchon.

>>15874459
>there is no denying his imaginitive power
He does it himself.
>unimaginable horror
>unspeakable terror
>unfathomable depths
>ungraspable evil
He is the edgelord of apophatic adjectives. It gets very tiring.

>> No.15889097

>>15888596
No dude no

It's a slithery slop to coprophilia

Anon is lost

Save yourself

>> No.15889322

>>15874459
>although there is no denying his imaginitive power
What fucking imaginative power? He's a one trick pony throughout. Lovecraft's work is more interesting for the psychology behind the writer himself rather than the actual written literature.

>> No.15889526

>>15885436
Oh wow if Stephen King shits on him then he must be a bad author

>> No.15889621

>>15880229
Ligotti isn't copying Lovecraft. Their similarities end on the surface level itself.

>> No.15889757

>>15884925
He wasn't that young and you could tell from his late stories that he did not have that literary talent.

>> No.15889778

>>15884445
>He was a pulp writer published in pulp magazines.
Pulp magazines were pretty good as far as writing quality goes. Certainly better than the crap we have now.

That said, yea, Lovecraft sucks.

>> No.15889790

>>15886217
Nobody likes Bloodboring.

>> No.15889802

>>15887189
How can any body like that prose? It screams tryhard.

>> No.15889820

>>15889526
Shit rolls down.

King is midwit; Lovecraft is an underachieving worrier.

No contest.

IT > MOM

>> No.15889834

>>15889802
It does; OP is either larping or a tryhard himself.

>> No.15889843

>>15889802
Not really tryhard, that just how he wrote.
He wrote like that in letters to friends even. Thats just how Lovecraft wanted to write.
He was the kind of guy that believed that the world was culturally collapsing and wrote in that way to try and reverse things.

And what would be wrong if he was trying hard to use complex diction?
It creates a very unique atmosphere to his work that few others can ever come close to touching. If he had to work at it, then all the better for him to have succeeded in putting that vocab to use.

>> No.15889850

>>15888600
kek'd and check'd

>> No.15889870

>>15889843
>Unique diction
Almost all, like 90%, of his MCs sound like him.

That's not unique that's one-note.

Look at Goethe for Faust 1 then 2; there's evolution, breadth, change.

Lovecraft did not, could not change.

>> No.15889873

>>15889870
And you notice he doesnt write women? Or niggers? Or anything that was not basically a reskin of himself?

>> No.15889890

>>15889870
He did evolve as a writer, you'd know if you had read his complete works chronologically. It feels stupid to have to say it, and I don't know how you could misunderstand him to this extent, but characters are completely immaterial to the content of his stories and would only get in the way if they were more than what they are. He's just not concerned with anything having to do with regular human life, except for how it relates to the true nature of the cosmos in his world. The characters being stand-in cutouts is in keeping with the theme of human beings being small and immaterial critters oblivious to a cosmos filled with horror.

>> No.15889973

>>15889890
>His MCs are supposed to be cardboards
>Because he is an autist and the world is big scary

Valid, i suppose. A case can be made.

But then, if the characters are supposed to be blanks, why make their autonarration so
>complex
?

That's an attempt at characterization, individuality; the fail is that HP can only characterize his diary desu.

Yes, i havent considered his work by chrono, since i read them by meme popularity. That's one against me.

>> No.15889994

>>15889973
I suppose HP could not help but fall into a rut, unable to improve because he perfected it.

Just like all late Hemmingway sounds like a ham parody of peak Hemmingway.

>> No.15890025

>>15889973
>why make their autonarration so complex
It's just his style, what he thought was aesthetic and fitting for the stories.
>That's an attempt at characterization, individuality; the fail is that HP can only characterize his diary desu.
There's no failure because he wasn't trying to characterize; and it's good that he didn't, because it wouldn't fit the stories at all. I like his personality and I relate to him as a person so I enjoy the narration of his characters a lot, there's something comfy about it.

>> No.15890040

>>15890025
Ok cool.

: )

>Comfy
Yes, the ultimate goal.

I hear you anon. I get your angle: you are undiagnosed or underdiagnosed and on the spectrum. HPL is good for you because he is alike.

Hit?

>> No.15890056

>>15890025
>Would not fit the stories
I doubt this one.

There are so many possible reactions to terror apart from gibbering.

The tabletop cthulhu games have terror effects provoking blind rage, for example.

For another example, i read a short story about a woman who was stalked by so many cockroaches so long, that when they finally appear in swarm she embraces them.

>> No.15890079

>>15890040
I don't know, autists are supposed to be bad at imagining so I doubt that he was. I've never had issues with empathy or with reading social situations myself. Anyway I think it's high time for you to go back, with your smiley and reddit spacing.

>> No.15890088

>>15874643
Me too. Literally the same stories.

>> No.15890117

>>15874643
>>15890088
You should also check out The Thing on the Doorstep and The Haunter of the Dark if you liked those.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PicZATCo3h4
https://www.patreon.com/posts/18593439

>> No.15890121

>>15890079
Eh.

You just dont like me because i don't and won't like lovecraft as much as you.

Like a Cthulhu's Witness when you tell them you've already found a personal lord and savior.

>> No.15890126

>>15890117
>Literally the same stories desu
>I must offer him more of same

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15890135

>>15890126

>> No.15890137

>>15890126
based illiterate

>> No.15890153

HPL really gets the seethe going. The guy is impressive because there's a kind of spite that's dripping out from every sentence he wrote. Not even "great" authors are able to emulate this spite and his "subject matter" is almost incidental

>> No.15890915
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15890915

>Be 16
>Get the complete Lovecraft at a book store on a school trip because I thought I'd look cool n edgy
>Too young to know it's pulp trash that he got paid by the word to write, think I just don't "get it"
>Post on the literature board on 7chan asking if I should stick with it
>Anon tells me that Lovecraft is a meme (in 2007 internet language) and notoriously bad
>Recommends me Dune, The Dispossessed, and Neuromancer instead
I dunno where you are anon, but you're the reason I'm on this board today, thanks for recommending me good books and getting me into reading :)

>> No.15890989

>>15887341
without trying to be a cunt, it's the racism.

Lovecraft's deeply rooted fear of the "other" was the driving force behind a lot of his stories. His writing is very reflective of his beliefs, biases and phobias and that's why I love it. Delereth didn't add anything personal to it, it felt like he tried expanding upon a surface level reading of the stories that boiled down to spooky aliens and crazy protagonists.

>> No.15891023

>>15887998
i get the feeling it was the opposite.
Not to disrespect my Nigger man, but I remember his wife saying he didn't know anything about sex until she taught him

>> No.15891069

>>15890989
That sounds about on point.

HPL has an involuntary revulsion; Derleth can't fake that because he's not broken that way.

Nice take.

>> No.15891078

>>15891023
Sounds closer to the profile.

Lovecraft the love machine doesn't fly without a lot of disbelief suspension.

>> No.15891116

>>15890915
On anon's behalf, salud, schwatze.

>> No.15891301

>>15891023
Doesn't necessarily make you bad, could even make him better. Me and my gf are the same, we taught each other, and I make her orgasm better than masturbating ever did for her (I cant cum during sex though because im probably asexual or something, idk). She boasts to her whore friends because I make her cum, while all they do is complain that their bf of 4 years only made them cum once. I think this is primarily because I was willing to learn how to have sex in a way she would enjoy, meanwhile a typical run of the mill whore never keeps one guy around long enough to let him learn.

At the end of the day, HPL is still talked about while OPs professor will be forgotten before he even dies.

>> No.15892591

>>15880477
>▶
The Willows

>> No.15892798

>>15880477
His fifty one tales are an excellent entry. They're short, but still very good, with some excellent twists in them.

>> No.15893181

>>15889322
I mean the whole stuff about the elder gods, books made of human flesh, humans mating with extraterrestial entities, the naturalistic way he presents his "enemies" not as evil but as indifferent to mankind, the way he uses descriptions of creatures with alien anatomy instead of the usual dragons/werewolves etc. All these may seem cliche now, but that's because people got so fascinated by the shit he conjured up that they copied him to death.

>> No.15893206

>>15890056
What short story is that?

>> No.15893209

>>15874103
>As my american literature teacher says: if you want to read a Lovecraft story, pick one that wasn't written by Lovecraft
Your teacher sounds like a tard if he can't understand why people like Lovecraft or is unwilling to do so. "The masses like Lovecraft because they are stupid peons" isn't a valid argument.

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15893277

I read and enjoyed Lovecraft.

>> No.15893508

>>15889802
If you think "tryhard" is in any way a useful or accurate criticism of something then you have little valid say on what makes for good prose.

>> No.15893510

This thread is newfag central.

>> No.15893557

>>15891023
Thats pretty hot.

>> No.15893727

>>15893206
I forgot and now i cant find it.

Part of a dread fiction anthology, author female.

Forgot the rest of the volume but that short story stuck.

>> No.15894944

>>15893508
T.tryhard autist who won't know good prose if it hit him the face.

>> No.15894977

i've read almost all of lovecraft and i honestly think that people who've only read a few of his stories are better off. eventually you start noticing certain patterns and it becomes very predictable and boring. i love his style and tone tho.