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The greatest thinker of our time

>> No.15867514
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>>15867368
>>15867514

>> No.15867551

>>15867368
That's not Pope Benedict.

>> No.15867574

The Piraha language REFUTES Chomsky. Now, Chomsky has said that even if Piraha really did not have recursion, it would be of no consequence to his linguistics -- but OF COURSE it would, for Chomsky argues that this recursive structure is key to the human condition. So, Piraha refutes Chomsky's linguistics. Or does it? We could argue that the Piraha people just don't have the capability to recur, but recursion is still key to OTHER peoples' languages. In this case, we have accepted the possibility of (and even DEMONSTRATED) human neurobiodiversity, which would refute Chomsky's politics. So, the Piraha language either refutes Chomsky's LINGUISTICS, or his POLITICS. He cannot win.

>> No.15867660

>>15867514
Scum Harris is shit

>> No.15867836

>>15867574
piraha was retroactively refuted by parmenides and guenon

>> No.15868410

>>15867836
piraha are the traddest people after the sentinelese

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>>15867368
For me, it's KJU
>Army-people unity is the root of our society and the greatest foundation of the military-first revolution. The people’s army must take the lead and be a forerunner all the time also in consolidating great unity between the army and the people as firm as a rock, succeeding to the tradition of the anti-Japanese partisans.

>> No.15868865

>>15867574
>there's a lost indio tribe so retarded they can't even tap in to the bare minimum of universal categories even gorillas can understand
>their primitive grunts are treated as a language and this means our entire understanding of language is upended

>> No.15869030

>>15868865
In fact I believe this is the case (though UG is still suspect for OTHER reasons) -- but like I said this point of view REFUTES Chomsky's POLITICS.

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>> No.15869087

Chomsky has been refuted. It's over for his authoritarian rabbinate


The Piraha also communicate via birdsong.

There is so much more to our universe than the prison of speech allows us to experience.

>> No.15869147

>>15869079
The question is whether society should be made with greed in mind or with community and people. Just because some people are still gonna be selfish doesn't mean the society should stay this way.

>> No.15869314

>>15869087
>Chomsky has been refuted. It's over for his authoritarian rabbinate
?

>> No.15869486

>>15869147
Selfishness is the path to self-reliance. Self-reliance is the path to a healthy and robust society.

>> No.15869557

>>15869079
>taking language acquisition device to mean a specific part of the brain
He said there's a unique apparatus in the brain that allows us to learn language (language as grammar, not as lexis) that animals do not possess; he was in fact, right about that idea, to all known studies (including chimps, birds, and aquatic mammals). This post does not refute that idea either - it says that it works by combining a set of functions native to animals, but alas, animals cannot combine those things - the sum is greater than its part. This is also to say, on both sides, that it is only an understanding derived from a crude neurological understanding; Chomsky's prediction is an armchair philosophy, but not one disproven; and MRIs do not reflect the entirety of a process, only the impulses and signals sent.

I don't know shit about his politics, just that he has a very sandy boner for propaganda.

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>> No.15869604

>>15867519
Faggot

>> No.15869683

>>15869486
You are selfish why should I trust what you say

>> No.15869696

>>15869486
Wrong

>> No.15869801

>>15869593
Chomsky likes Taleb

>> No.15869871

>>15869147
>>15869486
You can have both a a focus on community and people aswell as self-reliance for a healthy and robust society.

>> No.15870154

>>15869079
the computer stuff is very reductive - when will a computer be able to philosophize?

>> No.15870186

>>15867368
Guys, who would really be the gratest thinker of our time?
Is this like Schopenhauer experience who only got recognized at old age? are we yet to discover the gratest mind of 2000's when he's of old age or is that there's not such a valuable mind right now to discover?

This feelings of living in the decline of west culture (Spengler pun not intended) is a put down, really

>> No.15870224

>>15870186
Ted Kacyznski

>> No.15870264

>>15870186
People are hyper specialized now so we dont have grand, all encompassing philosophers like there used to be

>> No.15870277

>>15870186
me, i'm writing a landmark work on political philosophy. Think Marx meets Nietzsche.

>> No.15870334

Eh, his linguistics are somewhat important, although it seems to me like the linguistic field has been moving away from them in recent years (especially Universal Grammar, which is just considered pseudoscience these days).
His politics are nothing special, and I heavily doubt any real political philosophers take them all that seriously. His method is just so much less rigorous than real ethicists or political philosophers like Parfit or Rawls. He's very good in political philosophy for a layman, though

>> No.15870397

>>15869871
Not under capitalism

>> No.15870423

>>15867368
No wonder the world is going to shit

>> No.15870442

>>15867574
Refute the poverty of stimulus argument or get the fuck out.

>> No.15870453

>>15869079
Whoever wrote that comment is egregiously full of shit.

>> No.15870461

>>15870334
t. teenager who has never read a book in his life

>> No.15870463

>>15867368
His theories on universal grammar are quite narrow minded on how languages work and how they can be.

>> No.15870482

>>15867368
Amen, he is based

>> No.15870495

>>15870186
Schopenhauer was a fucking loser and nothing he had to say was a revolution

>> No.15870528

>>15870482
>based
You're not using that word in the way it's used in here anon

>>15870495
>revolution
Not a revolution
The appreciation of his work is based more on it's integrity and that in each of its focal point has remained irrefutable during these two hundred years.
If you can name a system that actually refutes him, I'd appreciate it because I've been looking for it

>> No.15870546

>>15870528
Oh deity of the /lit/ lexicon, I pray to thee, grant us knowledge, oh knowledge, of how 'based' should be used, and we will sacrifice to you, one body pillow.

>> No.15870553

>>15870528
He is a Jew that doesn't buy into the Zionism shit, if that isn't based I do not know what it is

>> No.15870573

>>15870553
Has he called bullshit on 6 million yet?

>> No.15870578

>>15870186
Agamben or Badiou for Continental Phil and Lewis or Kripke for Anals

>> No.15870600

>>15870578
I'll take a look at them thank you

>> No.15871716

>>15869683
Because the desire for a healthy and robust society is as selfish as anything.

>> No.15871730

>>15869871
Nope

>> No.15871767

>>15867368
>the greatest thinker of our time
yet he dresses so poorly

>> No.15871896

>>15871716
Your idea of healthy and robust is capitalism lmao

>> No.15871930

>>15871896
your idea of healthy and robust is an incoherent pipe dream you can't even describe

>> No.15871994

>>15871896
Yes.

>> No.15872047

>>15870573
No but he has defended holocaust deniers

>> No.15872268

>>15871930
I can describe it perfectly and I have the statistics to back up everything I say.

>> No.15872887

>>15867551
based

>> No.15873410

>>15867574
Chomsky's argument is that language is underpinned by a recursive procedure (Merge), and this must be the case to produce the recursive linguistic structures that we see in many languages. Merge, while recursive in its application, need not necessarily produce recursive linguistic structures. It says nothing about Chomsky's proposal that a language (supposedly) has no recursive structures in it.

The fact that Piraha people have been able to learn Brazilian Portuguese also shows how vacuous this claim is. BP is a language with recursive syntactic structures. One would need the mental machinery (the recursive procedure Merge) to be able to speak it.

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>> No.15873742

>>15867368
that's not whitehead

>> No.15875083

>>15867368
I hope he lives long enough to see all the left-wing Trash he supported in Syria die shrieking for their mothers.

>> No.15875089

>>15873410
>The fact that Piraha people have been able to learn Brazilian Portuguese
They have not.

>> No.15875445

>>15875089
>This paper explores the way in which complex concepts are expressed in the learner varieties of Portuguese spoken by some Pirahã men. While most members of the language community are monolingual in Pirahã, a number of middle-aged men speak basic varieties of Portuguese that they have acquired in order to communicate with outsiders. I refer to these speakers as ‘gatekeepers’ in the sense that they are taking over communication with the outside world and thereby act as gatekeepers within their community. The Portuguese they speak could be analysed as a pidgin, as it is aiding communication with outsiders for trade and related purposes. Yet, the speakers have very different proficiencies, and focusing on the different learner varieties is more appropriate for the purpose of this study. Essentially, some speakers only know a few words, while others are able to use a range of Portuguese constructions.
https://journals.dartmouth.edu/cgi-bin/WebObjects/Journals.woa/xmlpage/1/article/409?htmlOnce=yes

>> No.15875739

>>15869557
>>15869079
>>15867368
does it means you can unlock magical powers and immortality with the right language, every time the bible says god nerfed human life span or stroke them by changing their language in the babel tower it was just giving us a new set of language to lock our potential