CNN- JK Rowling's bigotry is painful and maddening https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/07/07/opinions/jk-rowling-conversion-therapy-transphobia-conley/index.html

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Anonymous Mon Jul 13 17:35:51 2020 No.15851824 [Reply] [Original]

CNN- JK Rowling's bigotry is painful and maddening

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/07/07/opinions/jk-rowling-conversion-therapy-transphobia-conley/index.html

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 13 17:38:57 2020 No.15851851 based and redpilled

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 13 17:38:57 2020 No.15851852 i will now read harry potter

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 13 17:39:41 2020 No.15851859 MOMMY MILKY MOMMY MILKY MOMMY MILKY

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 13 17:40:58 2020 No.15851868 >>15851824 Do you guys actually hate trannies though? As mentally ill weirdos I consider them a sort of honorary channers. When they play in women's sports is just absolutely hilarious too

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 13 17:41:09 2020 No.15851870 >>15851852 lol. The "bigoted" comment was that it's wrong to castrate yourself and make yourself sterile.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 13 17:44:02 2020 No.15851897 >>15851868 No, I pity them more than anything. They are abused by unethical medical and pharmacological practices that seek only profit.

Anonymous Mon Jul 13 17:46:54 2020 No.15851915

>>15851868
>When they play in women's sports is just absolutely hilarious too

It's mainly hilarious because it's primarily women who have been pushing radical progressivism that led to them being dominated by fake women (trannies) in sports. It's also funny because that negative effect will impact male sports; i.e. a female-to-male tranny will never dominate men in men's sports.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 13 17:47:57 2020 No.15851923 >>15851915 >will impact male sports will never impact male sports*

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 13 17:50:47 2020 No.15851952 >CNN oh no no no

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 13 17:57:51 2020 No.15851992 >>15851824 It must be nice to be a billionaire and be able to tell retards to fuck off.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 13 18:08:52 2020 No.15852083 >>15851868 yes

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 13 18:17:51 2020 No.15852157 >>15851915 women's sport is a joke anyways. no one cares about it and at least trannies might turn it into a funny freak show

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 13 18:20:26 2020 No.15852196 File: 73 KB, 569x600, 1594678826567.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15851824 Rowling is closet trans and could never accept that about herself, that's why she hates them. Pass it on

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 13 18:23:52 2020 No.15852228 >>15851868 I mean I'm disgusted them for being dickless abominations but I'm also very saddened by the person trapped inside it who is clearly riddled with all sorts of issues.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 13 18:29:17 2020 No.15852265 >>15851868 I'm grossed out by them and am glad I don't know any personally, but I'm not an incel so I don't actually hate them.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 13 18:31:37 2020 No.15852284 >>15852265 The ones I know IRL are much more relaxed than the insane middle class liberal women who champion their cause.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 13 19:08:13 2020 No.15852517 >>15852284 maybe, I just think it'd be awkward and I don't think I could ever get used to them

Anonymous Mon Jul 13 19:46:27 2020 No.15852775

>>15851868
I don't hate them, but it's tragic that not only are these mentally ill people not being treated, they are being encouraged to indulge in that delusion, sometimes even being pushed without much willingness. They chemically and physically harm their bodies as part of their "treatments", going so far as to be castrated, living in denial of their own biology. I don't hate the mentally ill, but the parents who encourage their children into it are monsters

>>	Sage Mon Jul 13 19:48:55 2020 No.15852795 File: 42 KB, 640x480, 136478572674.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15851915 Imagine losing a state championship your senior year of high school or losing out on a uni scholarship to some tranny lmfao

Anonymous Mon Jul 13 19:49:12 2020 No.15852797

>>15851868
I hate homosexuals and the fact that they are chemically or surgically castrated puts my mind at ease knowing that's one less homosexual on the street going around and trying to molest young men and children. So I hate them, but less than I hate "regular" homosexuals.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 13 19:50:42 2020 No.15852805 >>15851824 Based JK. I think it's about time I pick up Harry Potter again. Never did get passed the 4th book.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 13 19:54:57 2020 No.15852836 >>15852805 It's not based unless she also hates faggots.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 13 19:55:49 2020 No.15852842 >>15851868 I do, but i hate most people including all you terrible fucks on this website. cheers

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 13 19:57:45 2020 No.15852861 >>15852842 hating urself isnt healthy anon. just look at trannies

Anonymous Mon Jul 13 20:03:56 2020 No.15852905

>>15852196
This is why cancel culture is so self-defeating. It destroys those who are poor or dependent on others for their livelihoods while those with real power and wealth are immunized to it. Thus, all it is in practice is another boot on the throat of the poor, further undermining class solidarity while international finance becomes ever more powerful.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 13 20:05:43 2020 No.15852921 How DARE she call a woman a woman!! REEEE!

Anonymous Mon Jul 13 20:06:45 2020 No.15852928

Bigoteering
Describes tagging someone (or someone’s opinions) as “racist”, “chauvinist” or somethinglikeit-ist in situations where these are not warranted. This is a shoddy manipulation to exploit the stigmas accompanying such labels and force the opponent to spent time and energy explaining “why he/she is not a bigot”.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 13 20:07:41 2020 No.15852940 >>15851868 >Women's sports I really hope this "trans athletes" situation merges with "gender is a social construct" to create legislation that destroys the gender distinction in sports. I want to see all-out Mortal Kombat UFC and boxing.

>>	willowo !!WLiEhST7Trn Mon Jul 13 20:08:30 2020 No.15852948 who cares harry potter sucks and tranny shit is annoying

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 13 20:08:52 2020 No.15852951 >>15851868 yes

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 13 20:10:54 2020 No.15852971 >>15852775 >not only are these mentally ill people not being treated They are being treated, it's called transitioning and it works. What do you suggest as an alternative, and what evidence do you have that it works?

>>	willowo !!WLiEhST7Trn Mon Jul 13 20:11:46 2020 No.15852979 >>15852971 be like me and take hormones but just be basically a gay man who looks like a woman everyone agrees, trans shit is annoying and really just political at this point

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 13 20:12:05 2020 No.15852982 >>15852940 They should just make all sports single gender.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 13 20:12:08 2020 No.15852983 >>15852971 therapy

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 13 20:12:47 2020 No.15852989 >>15852940 No one is suggesting that currently, they just unironically believe after a year of hormone therapy and reduced testosterone levels there's no functional difference in performance.

Anonymous Mon Jul 13 20:16:27 2020 No.15853007

>>15852979
What do you mean by saying it's ''just political''? There's a political dimension to the whole issue, to be sure, because political decisions affect the conditions these people have to live under.
>>15852983
Therapy is also often involved, one does not preclude the other.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 13 20:17:17 2020 No.15853013 >>15852982 Based. Let the games begin.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 13 20:19:38 2020 No.15853032 >>15851868 I don't. It's tragic for the misled and manipulated ones though, especially the children. I hate the the activist types that want me to love and praise trannydom

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 13 20:20:41 2020 No.15853041 >>15852842 I hate you too anon)

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 13 20:24:21 2020 No.15853064 >>15851868 I hate them more than nigger feminist and faggot.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 13 20:25:13 2020 No.15853071 File: 46 KB, 481x638, 1594679891207[1].jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15853007 >Therapy is also often involved, one does not preclude the other. read freud

Anonymous Mon Jul 13 20:27:18 2020 No.15853089
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>>15851868
I don't, nor I see them as mentally ill weirdos. I genuinely believe gender is entirely socially constructed, which means that a MtF trans is as deluded as me (a guy who was born male and who has always identified as a man).

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 13 21:04:22 2020 No.15853389 File: 21 KB, 600x310, dats rayray JK.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15851824

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 13 21:27:08 2020 No.15853589 >>15853013 Oh to kick a cunny

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 13 21:28:24 2020 No.15853597 >>15851868 I pray for their recovery. I do despise the groomers, and all the evil people that are quite prominent in that "community".

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 13 21:37:26 2020 No.15853662 >>15853089 but anon now they're saying even sex is a spectrum and that there is no difference between someone born male and someone identifying as male. they're gonna try to erase the distinction between sexes as they have with gender

Anonymous Mon Jul 13 22:00:35 2020 No.15853825

>>15853662
I have never heard these critiques, and i really don't know how could anyone argue for them. Do you have any link I can read? It sounds really crazy

Also with this post (>>15853089) I did not want to imply that i agree with most of what passes as "gender theory" today. I know that many TRAs would hate me for saying that gender identities are delusional

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 13 22:36:26 2020 No.15854120 >>15852842 Based

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 13 23:36:52 2020 No.15854513 >>15852157 Sure, but what happens when trannies start to dominate the top ranks of Women's Tennis and Beach Volleyball? That's going to piss off a lot of people.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 13 23:38:26 2020 No.15854521 >>15854513 >women and men are the same >trannies dominate women in sports ahhhhhhhhhhhh shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiieeeeeeeeeeeet

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 13 23:40:22 2020 No.15854538 >>15852971 I'm sure if you surveyed women who got breast implants or lip enhancements they would say it "works". At least for a while. That doesn't make cosmetic surgery a form of medical care.

Anonymous Mon Jul 13 23:43:07 2020 No.15854550

>>15854513
We could stop dividing sport competition by gender and start doing it by testosterone level (either current t level, or t level during puberty). You can participate in higher t level brackets, but not the other way around (so that trans women can compete against other trans women and cis men, but not against cis women).

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 13 23:45:17 2020 No.15854564 >>15854538 In this case we have objective markers for the efficacy of the treatment, namely the rates of suicides and suicide attempts. Transition in positive environments curbstomp those rates (the rate drops from 40+% to less than 5%).

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 13 23:48:20 2020 No.15854580 >>15854550 Sports are physical competitions. The physical body is paramount. Even if you accept transwomen as "sort of" women, sports segregation should be based on physical sex not any self-perceived social role.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 13 23:51:46 2020 No.15854602 >>15854564 Is suicide always a bad thing? Could it be that we are ignoring what nature is trying to tell us? Darwin is flashing a red light: "I'm a mistake -- delete me!" Who are we to override that signal?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 13 23:54:55 2020 No.15854620 any more pics of mommy's danglers?

Anonymous Mon Jul 13 23:57:22 2020 No.15854638

>>15854580
>The physical body is paramount.
I agree.
>Even if you accept transwomen as "sort of" women, sports segregation should be based on physical sex not any self-perceived social role.
In a society where people can interfere with their bodies, this claim of yours does not seem to stand. For example I don't think that trans men, who take testosterone for their transition, should compete against cis women. If we are to take seriously that other claim, namely that in sports the physical body is paramount, then we would have to use criteria for segregation different from the ones involved in sexual differences.

Anonymous Mon Jul 13 23:59:49 2020 No.15854651

>>15854602
>Is suicide always a bad thing?
Apart from certain extreme cases (i.e. your cancer has condemned you to a short life of purr agony) I would say yes, suicide should be deemed bad by the medical establishment.
>Could it be that we are ignoring what nature is trying to tell us? Darwin is flashing a red light: "I'm a mistake -- delete me!" Who are we to override that signal?
Evolution is not teleological (there is no such thing as a mistake in evolution), nature doesn't speak to us through it.

Anonymous Tue Jul 14 00:01:43 2020 No.15854662

>>15854638
>For example I don't think that trans men, who take testosterone for their transition, should compete against cis women.
Sure, but there are two separate issues here: sex and doping. There can simply be a blanket rule that forbids testosterone supplementation in any sport.

Anonymous Tue Jul 14 00:04:28 2020 No.15854682

>>15854651
>Evolution is not teleological
I was anthropomorphizing for literary effect.

>(there is no such thing as a mistake in evolution)
There are mutations that lead to successful lineages, and those that lead to dead ends.

>nature doesn't speak to us through it.
Metaphorically, it does.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 00:06:48 2020 No.15854697 File: 108 KB, 570x912, 124978427925.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15854620 oh u anon

Anonymous Tue Jul 14 00:08:48 2020 No.15854714

>>15854538
You didn't answer the question: what should be the alternative, and do you have any data that points to it being efficacious? You can play this game of semantics about how transitioning is not ''real medical care'' all you like, but it doesn't change any of the facts.
>>15854602
By that logic shouldn't we scrap all mental health services? Or not do anything to alleviate the suffering or prolong the life of people suffering from congenital disorders?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 00:13:19 2020 No.15854741 >>15853825 Look up Riley Dennis.

Anonymous Tue Jul 14 00:17:37 2020 No.15854759

>>15854714
>You can play this game of semantics about how transitioning is not ''real medical care'' all you like, but it doesn't change any of the facts.
But it does. Not every problem in life is best addressed via surgery or other medical intervention.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 00:19:47 2020 No.15854772 >>15851824 >Man chastises woman for her viewpoint on a woman's issue You aren't a feminist if you think this is okay.

Anonymous Tue Jul 14 00:24:04 2020 No.15854797

>>15854759
Again, transitioning is the most effective way of dealing with gender dysphoria that we know of. You've suggested no alternative aside from ''let them commit suicide'', and at this moment you're simply reiterating empty platitudes because you don't have a leg to stand on.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 00:26:18 2020 No.15854805 >>15854797 >transitioning is the most effective way of dealing with gender dysphoria that we know of. Citations needed.

Anonymous Tue Jul 14 00:31:03 2020 No.15854832

>>15854805
https://whatweknow.inequality.cornell.edu/topics/lgbt-equality/what-does-the-scholarly-research-say-about-the-well-being-of-transgender-people/
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1365-2265.2009.03625.x
https://www.jaacap.org/article/S0890-8567%2816%2931941-4/fulltext
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6223813/

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 00:34:07 2020 No.15854848 >>15854832 Pumping anyone full of hormones will improve his mood. Proves nothing.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 00:36:58 2020 No.15854866 >>15854697 :)

Anonymous Tue Jul 14 00:37:14 2020 No.15854868

>>15851824
>transphobia
Why do they think we're afraid of them? Do they really think they're an intimidating bunch? They're castrated men... hell, more like castrated, malnourished boys, and a minority to boot. This shit is why people get so angry with them in the first place.

Anonymous Tue Jul 14 00:39:39 2020 No.15854880

>>15854848
It proves transitioning relieves dysphoria and improves the quality of life for trans people. Some of these citations also concern social transition, acceptance by peers and family, discrimination, both hormone replacement therapy and sex reassignment surgery. Face it, the facts are against you on this.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 00:45:41 2020 No.15854909 >>15854868 What if your son will be trans? Does that prospect scare you?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 00:45:52 2020 No.15854912 >>15854880 Social science is pseudo-science. Using vague theory-laden terms like "transitioning" and correlating survey results is not real science.

Anonymous Tue Jul 14 00:47:19 2020 No.15854919

There's no point in getting worked up about all this tranny shit. Trans-humanism is fast approaching and naturalistic, biological conceptions of personal categorization are hardly valid in the post-reality age where flesh and even the experiential nature of existence - via man-machine interface - are completely malleable. In our lifetime we'll see people who no longer age and who can lift cars, not to mention those who will transition into completely simulated realities. Just think of trannies as early-adopter guinea pigs work on which helps to advance trans-humanist science and medicine.

Anonymous Tue Jul 14 00:56:37 2020 No.15854971

>>15854912
>Social science is pseudo-science
If we can't gain any useful knowledge one way or the other, then you admit your opposition to letting people transition is utterly baseless. You've ceded the argument.
>Using vague theory-laden terms
They're defined pretty clearly for the purposes of these studies.

Anonymous Tue Jul 14 01:04:38 2020 No.15855024

>>15854971
>If we can't gain any useful knowledge one way or the other
I didn't say that. I said social science is pseudo-science.

>They're defined pretty clearly for the purposes of these studies.
They aren't though. They're a grab-bag of completely different types of actions and processes, defined by completely different operational metrics, united only by this ideological construct of "transitioning".

Anonymous Tue Jul 14 01:07:59 2020 No.15855041

>>15855024
>I didn't say that. I said social science is pseudo-science.
You seem to discredit the whole field as a way to gain useful knowledge about the situation. If we can't, through study, determine whether transitioning is good or bad for trans people, why are you against it beyond some gut feeling that it's wrong?
>They aren't though.
Point me to where.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 01:10:33 2020 No.15855051 >>15852971 give them assorted cocktails of heavy metals to "make the thoughts go away" like is done with schizophrenics

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 01:10:50 2020 No.15855053 >>15854909 Why would it? I would just be immensely disappointed at my obvious colossal failure to raise him / select a good mother for him.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 01:15:28 2020 No.15855076 >>15855051 If they do this and it turns out to work as good if not better than transitioning, I would support it. Until then, I reserve judgment and so should you.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 01:18:54 2020 No.15855085 >>15855076 i just think its ridiculous how its is really no different to anything else that would be labeled a "mental illness" yet people arent locked in a hospital against their will for saying "i ma girl" whereas they are for saying "im a goat"

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 01:20:01 2020 No.15855090 >>15855085 How would locking them up improve the situation?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 01:22:04 2020 No.15855099 >>15854697 lovely

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 01:25:52 2020 No.15855123 >>15855053 Dunno about you, but the prospect of having a trans child legitimately scares me. I would do almost anything to avoid this outcome

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 01:30:32 2020 No.15855141 >>15855123 It doesn't happen at random. It happens if you are a bad parent or if you gave your offspring a weak set of genes. Most of this shit is just rebellion.

Anonymous Tue Jul 14 01:30:48 2020 No.15855142

>>15855085
The latter would be simply incapable of living in a society, while the former can hold down jobs, form meaningful relationships, even become an artist or a scholar. Also as the other anon said, itis not clear how locking dysphoric people in asylums would help them, while it is obvious why it could make sense for people who think they're goats (I'm just assuming that it could be a decent treatment for the sake of the argument, for what I know there could be better treatments for these types of extreme delusion).

Anonymous Tue Jul 14 01:32:06 2020 No.15855152

>>15854832
The only one of those that's an actual medical article is a meta analysis of studies with different methodology and sample sizes to each other, and it uses half the number of studies on post-op quality of life. Even the abstract says:
>Better quality studies that include clearly defined transgender populations, divided by stage of gender affirming treatment and with appropriate matched control groups are needed to draw firmer conclusions.

That's very flimsy evidence to say that invasive surgery and hormone treatment should be the default.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 01:32:13 2020 No.15855153 >>15855090 It would improve it for me.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 01:32:15 2020 No.15855154 >>15855141 >It happens if you are a bad parent or if you gave your offspring a weak set of genes. Citation needed, especially on the second part. Afaik there is no genetical explanation for gender dysphoria.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 01:33:34 2020 No.15855161 >>15855153 Your annoyance has nothing to do with the efficacy of a mental treatment

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 01:35:52 2020 No.15855175 >>15854909 it only happens to boys with single moms or extremely absent or weak fathers. Even if you're a deadbeat your mere presence should be enough to keep your boy wanting to be a boy. So don't put your dick in crazy

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 01:36:56 2020 No.15855183 >>15855154 Observation is all I need to deduce that. They want to rebel either against their parents or against society for not being able to establish a connection with them.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 01:37:01 2020 No.15855184 >>15854919 never going to happen I'll die a biological man and join my Father in heaven or else embrace total nothingess

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 01:39:10 2020 No.15855195 >>15851868 I hate them, because they are terrible people. Trannies are the Dark Triad in "human form". Nearly all of them are either schizophrenic, narcissistic or psychopathic.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 01:39:38 2020 No.15855200 >>15853597 All troomers are groomers.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 01:40:02 2020 No.15855203 File: 45 KB, 778x512, milk.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15854697 fuck this nigger terf but nice milkies

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 01:41:42 2020 No.15855213 >>15855161 Some people are too costly to treat but too costly to keep loose. Some are also unwilling to be treated.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 01:44:57 2020 No.15855234 >>15851868 I see every tranny as Chris-chan. Casualty of larger cultural projects. A kid finds something washed up onshore in Indiana, touches it, starts to change in ways he can’t control.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 01:45:25 2020 No.15855236 >>15855090 idk how does it improve schizos

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 01:46:12 2020 No.15855241 >>15855203 >terf

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 01:46:27 2020 No.15855244 >>15855142 >while the former can hold down jobs only because they can sue for discrimination otherwise

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 01:47:27 2020 No.15855250 >>15855090 Makes it so I don’t have to see their ugly mugs IRL. They’re all shambling horrors, terrible to see, worse than any graffiti.

Anonymous Tue Jul 14 01:49:39 2020 No.15855267

>>15855041
>If we can't, through study, determine whether transitioning is good or bad for trans people
You are using sophistical language to cover up the holes in your argument. What is a "trans person" who has not undergone any kind of "transitioning"? Answer: someone who simply experiences gender dysphoria. So say that.

Compare:
>If we can't, through study, determine whether breast enlargement is good or bad for self-perceived flat women

Or:
>If we can't, through study, determine whether dismemberment is good or bad for self-conceived limbless people

I'm sure a meta-analysis of all such "studies" would reveal that feeding a delusion in a psychiatric patient results in an at least temporary mood boost.

Anonymous Tue Jul 14 01:54:44 2020 No.15855299

>>15855152
>different methodology and sample sizes to each other
Do you have any examples? Mind you, what is considered ''flimsy'' here is every peer-reviewed article published in English on this topic over 26 years consistently reaching the same conclusion. I don't attribute this to chance, and to preempt an inevitable objection, I wouldn't attribute it to any shadowy conspiracy either. If your faith in academia is that low I believe nothing will convince you, and I'm gonna stop bothering as well.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 01:56:39 2020 No.15855311 >>15855267 Temporary mood boosts are Burgerland’s bread and butter, though. Temporary relief is a permanent cure. >>15855299 Has ECT been tried?

Anonymous Tue Jul 14 01:56:47 2020 No.15855313

>>15855267
>You are using sophistical language
I'm taking your argument to its logical conclusion, unless you're willing to propose some alternative method of investigation. What are you proposing instead? You seem to dodge this question every single time because you don't have any good answer.
>I'm sure
There's been very much ''I'm sure'' and ''I think'' coming from your end during this whole exchange, but very little hard evidence. Shock value or trying to appeal to a person's sense of disgust won't actually bring you closer to the truth of whether transitioning is efficacious in its stated goal: to relieve dysphoria and improve the quality of life for trans people. All the data points toward this being the case.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 01:59:09 2020 No.15855331 >>15855313 >data What measurement are you using to quantify quality of life? Name it. Describe it.

Anonymous Tue Jul 14 02:02:40 2020 No.15855350

>>15853089
I understand those arguments to a point, it’s the hormone alteration and surgeries that bother me.
There are cultures all over the world that have ways of incorporating people who don’t fit into the standard binary, like how some Native American tribes hold them in high regard as individuals who can bridge the gap between the sexes. But they just dress different and take on different responsibilities.
I can’t get behind actually substantially physically altering people for what is ultimately cosmetic changes, avoiding the internal issues that lead to those problems in the first place.

Anonymous Tue Jul 14 02:04:38 2020 No.15855353

>>15855313
Genuinely curious, has anyone done any studies on affirming the delusions of schizophrenics and the effects that’s had on their self esteem or whatever? Like, should we all agree to pretend to be CIA agents gangstalking them, or what?

Affirmation of insanity is where academia’s at? And if so, what’s the fucking use of academia?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 02:04:41 2020 No.15855354 >>15855234 >washed up onshore in Indiana, Umm.....

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 02:04:59 2020 No.15855356 >>15851868 Hate the sin jerk off to the sinner

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 02:05:49 2020 No.15855363 >>15855350 It’s reactionary castration and humiliation of homosexual men, hidden beneath a flimsy cloak of liberal rhetoric.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 02:06:57 2020 No.15855371 >>15855354 So you’re telling me Indiana isn’t on the coast? Fuck me, you’re sharp.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 02:07:17 2020 No.15855375 >>15853089 Gender is not entirely socially constructed, otherwise we couldn't tell whether a fetus in the womb is a boy or a girl. There are structural, hormonal differences and a neurobiological basis for male and female gender identification.

Anonymous Tue Jul 14 02:08:10 2020 No.15855380

>>15855313
>because you don't have any good answer
The answer is the same as the one for those who believe they are the King of France. If your "treatment" of a delusion involves cutting into flesh, you are doing it wrong.

>Shock value or trying to appeal to a person's sense of disgust
Have I ever used 'shock value' or 'appeal to a person's sense of disgust' in this dialogue? That's news to me.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 02:09:07 2020 No.15855383 >>15855371 There's a bit of Lake Michigan in the northwest corner.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 02:10:03 2020 No.15855384 >>15855383 I can see your big brain from here.

Anonymous Tue Jul 14 02:11:19 2020 No.15855389

>>15851824
>>15851851
she is just an heretic WITHIN the woke cult.
harry potter is a 100% woke series. it is basically the story of a wizard, hitler's parody, aiming to expell halfbloods from society, while the "good ones" react against him. this is the core plot. then, you have a constellation of woke elements filling its developement and even the prose itself.

Anonymous Tue Jul 14 02:16:26 2020 No.15855412

>>15855331
Suicidality would be one metric. It's all described in the literature I posted if you're interested in reading it. I made my first post ITT 8 hours ago so immah head out now. Not gonna spend the rest of the day spoonfeeding someone as low IQ as you. Lead a horse to water etc.
>>15855380
Again, you're relying on gruesome imagery because you don't actually give a shit whether improves people's lives. Just this constant appeal to emotion bullshit. It makes me wonder why this is such a point of contention for you. You avoided the question for like the third time now, the only reasonable explanation as I said is that you don't care about what's true or not, it's about gratifying some peculiar emotional need.
>That's news to me
It shouldn't be, you just did it in this post. How fucking stupid are you?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 02:18:34 2020 No.15855423 >>15855412 So the tendency of a person to kill oneself is tied directly to the quality of life preceding it. Guess that’s a proxy measure, but you’re being imprecise. Stop dodging and stop running away, coward.

Anonymous Tue Jul 14 02:21:05 2020 No.15855438

>>15855412
Got an “-ity” to quantify how a forty year old man in a dress starts to feel after he realizes the grooming he experienced in his early teens was just grooming? Fuckhead, you’re destroying people at the altar of your own stupid third-hand liberalism.

Anonymous Tue Jul 14 02:21:11 2020 No.15855439

>>15855353
>Genuinely curious, has anyone done any studies on affirming the delusions of schizophrenics
As I said, if giving trannies the same treatment as schizos is the most effective treatment I'm all for it. As for the treatment of schizos, I think we hit a plateau when we developed anti-psychotics. There's a reason we give them the treatment we do today.
>Affirmation of insanity is where academia’s at? And if so, what’s the fucking use of academia?
Nonsense appeal to emotion. I understand you feel like it violates your integrity to call a trans people by their preferred pronouns for some weird fucking reason, but that's not an argument. What's actually insane is what a fragile little bitch boy snowflake you're being right now. Why is it the end of the world to call a guy in a dress ''she'' if medical science agrees that this way they can live out their best life without harming anyone else?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 02:21:29 2020 No.15855440 >>15855412 >It shouldn't be, you just did it in this post. I used "shock value" or "appeal to disgust" in the post you just replied to? How?

Anonymous Tue Jul 14 02:26:35 2020 No.15855470

>>15855439
>medical science
Appeals to emotion beat appeals to authority, bootlicker. And even using the phrase “appeals to __.” Are you a college sophomore?

It’s the end of the world to call Frank and his cock and balls and hairy chest Linda. Kafka’d shy away from this kind of horseshit. As per your post, put him on anti-psychotics and let him mumble about how he’s a pretty girl, fucking absurd.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 02:29:19 2020 No.15855484 >>15855439 Also, “without harming anyone else.” Hilarious.

Anonymous Tue Jul 14 02:29:19 2020 No.15855485

>>15855423
As I said I've been at this for hours now and you brainlets just keep coming with the same fallacious, nonsense arguments that don't meaningfully address anything. I linked all the relevant data, I'm not gonna spend another couple of hours spoonfeeding a negative IQ anencephalic nigger like you on this topic. Though it's kinda hard to tell you all apart at this point. I feel like you've already made up your mind, but as I said the scientific evidence is right there for you to peruse at your leisure, I'm not gonna wash your penis for you as well. At least not today.
>>15855438
>Fuckhead, you’re destroying people at the altar
[citation needed]
>>15855470
>And even using the phrase “appeals to __
Because you don't like it when someone points out your bullshit anti-arguments? christ
I'll admit, I'm not a doctor. Neither are you. So what do we trust in this case? Your feefees aren't good enough.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 02:29:46 2020 No.15855491 >>15855183 Observation of what? Are you referring to actual studies?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 02:30:52 2020 No.15855499 >>15855484 Tell me how trans people are harming you. If it all boils down to ''I had to witness a guy in a summer dress with a 5 o'clock shadow on the street!'' then good. You deserve to suffer for being a sad little amoeba of a human being.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 02:32:12 2020 No.15855505 >>15855491 >observation >actual studies I mean my own observations of people I've personally known.

Anonymous Tue Jul 14 02:33:59 2020 No.15855513

>>15855350
I get it. Personally, I see it in the same way I see cis people altering their body to better fit their idea of masculinity/femininity (jaw reconstructions, boob jobs, testosterone treatments, face lifts and so on). There is clearly something unhealthy about it, but it doesn't concern me enough to physically restrain these people from pursuing these operations.

Anonymous Tue Jul 14 02:34:28 2020 No.15855517

>>15855485
Not a doctor, but I guarantee you I know a fuck of a lot more about biology than you do.
And you keep calling people stupid as if that’s an argument. It’s an “anti-argument.” A thing midwits do when they’re flailing at someone beating them. “You’re not even a certified Smart Guy. You can’t do this!”
I’ve meaningfully addressed the issue better than you have. I’ve asked you to define your data, and you dodged. Also, don’t use slurs to look like a cool guy, it’s embarrassing.

“Scientific evidence.”

Are you trolling? Are you from /pol/?

Anonymous Tue Jul 14 02:36:36 2020 No.15855529

>>15855499
It doesn’t harm me, except in the example you brought up. Horror show, nobody deserves to see that, even if they’ve ascended to paramecium.
But a lot of impressionable kids are gonna suffer. And I’m not a sociopath, so I worry about those little future-eunuchs.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 02:37:59 2020 No.15855535 >>15855499 I mean, imagine how many autistic chicks are gonna have childbirth complications in like ten years. LOL. Bodies among foundations. Who gives a fuck.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 02:39:52 2020 No.15855541 >>15855485 >>15855517 Answer me, shit-for-brains.

Anonymous Tue Jul 14 02:40:00 2020 No.15855543

>>15855375
I should have been more clear, I'm not contesting the reality of biological sex, what I'm doubting is our psychological understanding of what we call "gender". So, I don't think I'm delusional for thinking I'm a male (I'm here accepting the male/man distinction), but I am delusional for thinking that these basic biological facts necessarily imply certain psychological traits (what we would usually call masculinity, which is the "what it is to be a man"). Our ways of dressing, of presenting ourselves, imho, are entirelly socially constructed. This does not mean that i think that there is no such thing as chromosomes, penises, vaginas, gametes, etc

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 02:41:34 2020 No.15855553 >>15855505 You've observed their genetic codes and came to the conclusion that parts of them were responsible for their gender dysphoria?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 02:41:45 2020 No.15855554 >>15855543 Gay foot in the door nonsense. Let’s say guys now wear skirts. What’s changed? What’ve you fixed?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 02:43:09 2020 No.15855563 >>15851824 who cares what she thinks seriously

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 02:43:30 2020 No.15855566 >>15855423 He wasn't being precise, unless you think that the literal survival of the patient is irrelevant from thr standpoint of medicine, which would be a pretty surprising claim

Anonymous Tue Jul 14 02:46:00 2020 No.15855581

>>15855440
Not the guy you're responding to, but I think I get his logic. Earlier on you casted absolute scepticism on all forms of social sciences, and then made claims that can be only dealt scientifically from the standpoint of social science. Since science is out of the window, all that is left is gut feeling, and when the gut feeling is negative we talk about "disgust". I think that's his argument.

Anonymous Tue Jul 14 02:46:14 2020 No.15855582
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>>15853071
>No one is "too young" to transition,you're just against the existence of trans people.

>You're a bigot if you don't castrate your children and let "doctors" pump them full of puberty blockers.

Sigh, the mentally ill should be confined to asylums. They are literally a danger to the children now. Trans rights are just homophobia in a new package.

Anonymous Tue Jul 14 02:46:47 2020 No.15855586

>>15855566
I’m asking for precision. In my field, everything can be quantified. The metrics can be explained, traced, and used. I asked for a measurement for quality of life, and he provided a secondary characteristic. He failed. Let’s be scientists, if this can all be scientifically proven. Let’s get some controls in here, instead of bullshit observational studies that’d be thrown out as Master’s theses.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 02:47:03 2020 No.15855587 >>15855554 Guys in general or only dysphoric people? Are we talking about trans people or gender in general?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 02:48:05 2020 No.15855592 >>15855586 I'm not sure I'm following you. Aren't suicide and suicide rates objectively quantifiable?

Anonymous Tue Jul 14 02:48:27 2020 No.15855594

>>15855553
Genes play a part in how we interact with our environment. There are many neurobiological studies on this out there. What I observed is always a rebellious streak which tells me that they didn't make a positive connection to their environment while growing up. Either the genes or the environment or a bit of A and B caused that.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 02:49:29 2020 No.15855599 >>15855592 Is suicide rate a measure of quality of life? Or is it a measure of how many people kill themselves?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 02:50:29 2020 No.15855604 >>15855587 Gender in general.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 02:52:00 2020 No.15855612 >>15855581 You can't be serious.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 02:52:44 2020 No.15855617 >>15855594 Can you link those studies? I'm really interested

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 02:53:03 2020 No.15855621 >>15855581 Not him, but it’s reasonable to say that the institutions who produce this “social science” are unreliable and that real science could get to the bottom of things, without having to bring the red herring of “disgust” into this at all.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 02:54:51 2020 No.15855629 >>15854797 It's literally not, you are contributing to the suicide of children and young adults by repeating this lie. This homophobia needs to stop. The key to happiness is not to surgically change yourself, it is to ACCEPT yourself.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 02:56:22 2020 No.15855637 >>15855621 I agree, but if said science has not been yet developed I don't see how we could make any non-feeling based claim now.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 02:56:46 2020 No.15855638 >>15855629 Nah, dude. We’re breaking the gender binary by aggressively enforcing it. Fry the little girls’ Fallopian tubes for progress. Same as it ever was.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 02:57:48 2020 No.15855642 >>15855637 Right. So why’s a feeling-based (“disgust”) claim invalid?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 02:59:44 2020 No.15855650 >>15851868 Almost nobody hates trannies. That's the joke. They make up the hate against them.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 03:00:51 2020 No.15855654 >>15855650 Like any other flavor of narcissist.

Anonymous Tue Jul 14 03:01:52 2020 No.15855656

>>15855499
>>15855499
Not who you are responding to, but I would say some aspects of harm stemming from certain aspects of transgender ideology are quite obvious.

Because you seem reasonable, I think even you would agree to oppose the idea of giving hormone blockers to children and teens who are gender anomalous, because it has long term effects on their development, and because most of these children desist. You would also agree that surgical transitioning before a reasonable age (18 sounds good?) also should be forbidden.

These are two harmful ideas associated with transgender ideology: and I know you would agree that everyone in a society is harmed by a society that doesn’t treat its citizens right, so I hope that you would fight against these ideas when people propose them, because they are ridiculous and harmful. This is common sense.

I think you might also agree, although this might be a stretch, that encouraging gender neutral parenting is probably harmful to children being raised that way, because they don’t have the stable norms of masculinity/femininity to guide their development and their expectations about how others ought to treat them. It is good if guys learn that they shouldn’t hit girls, et cetera. Still given your focus on evidence, I could see that you would reject this contention, because the evidence simply is not in yet about the long term effects of this particular area of gender confusion.

Anonymous Tue Jul 14 03:02:42 2020 No.15855660

>>15855642
Because it would be as plausible as its opposite claim. If it is true that social sciences are currently unreliable, we simply have no rational path that could lead us to choose one option over the other. One could simply say "trans people don't disgust me", and this claim would be just as valid as the other one

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 03:03:38 2020 No.15855667 >>15855660 Right. So what’s inherently wrong with the disgust?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 03:05:06 2020 No.15855671 >>15855656 You’re misguiding in thinking that transgender ideology isn’t just dabbing on the corpses of suicided gay dudes in dresses, but I admire the effort.

Anonymous Tue Jul 14 03:07:34 2020 No.15855684

>>15855604
While I think that gender eliminativism is ultimately correct, I don't think that it is a feasible goal for the foreseeable future. It would surely lead to a more authentic existence (insofar as our identity would be purged of certain stereotypes that have nothing to do with what we really are), but for now it is simply utopic.

Anonymous Tue Jul 14 03:09:27 2020 No.15855697

>>15855667
Since both options are as plausible, one could ask: what is wrong with the opposite of disgust? Whatever answer you choose, the other side will be able to say it about yours. This is the inevitable result of a relativistic, feeling-based epistemology

Anonymous Tue Jul 14 03:13:19 2020 No.15855712

>>15855612
Why?
>>15855599
I would say that in most cases (I'm excluding those scenarios in which an illness condemns a patient to a short life filled with immense agony, and other comparably serious cases) suicide rates are strongly correlated with quality of life. Sane, happy people don't tend to kill themselves.

Anonymous Tue Jul 14 03:13:54 2020 No.15855715

>>15855517
>Not a doctor, but I guarantee you I know a fuck of a lot more about biology than you do.
top kek, you don't know shit about biology except XX=vagina and XY=penis, as if that even approaches an argument against letting people transition.
>And you keep calling people stupid as if that’s an argument
I weave clever invective into my posts, but it never stops at just the insult. You'd know this if you had an IQ above room temperature.
>Are you trolling?
I'm not trolling. I linked to a wealth of data on this topic. Maybe you're one of maybe 3 different guys I'm talking to right now, it's hard to keep track, but it should be very easy to find.
>>15855541
just because of this post I decided to make you wait a little longer to read my response. The thought of you sitting in front of your screen literally shaking gives me great joy. Holy shit you're a triggered little beta bitch boy, what's your damage honestly? What choices did you make that led you down this road?

Anonymous Tue Jul 14 03:15:34 2020 No.15855724

>>15855697
The opposite of disgust is delight. Delight in eight year olds getting their cocks chopped off. And I cannot co-sign that kind of modern American horror. McDonald’s? Trump? Whatever. Jazz Jennings? I shudder.

The problem is, any kind of empirical epistemology turns up results that nobody likes. So we’re locked in the feelings camp. Not my fault, I’d have preferred the other one.
>>15855684
So then we just default to what? Biological sex? From which gender grows? Aren’t you just arguing for reterritorialization, then?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 03:16:02 2020 No.15855728 >>15855715 Don't be so combative, it only alienates people with reasonable doubts. Had I not already thought through these issues, I would oppose you just for spite. You're being THAT annoying

Anonymous Tue Jul 14 03:16:08 2020 No.15855729
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>>15855656
I appreciate the good faith response.
>I think even you would agree to oppose the idea of giving hormone blockers to children and teens who are gender anomalous
I'm not sure on this. Every instance I see this being discussed, people will link to studies which claim they're ultimately harmless and conclude that this is scaremongering. I haven't delved into the issue in any greater detail though, so I'll remain silent on it for now. I do think we should definitely err on the side of caution when it concerns adolescents, mistakes have been made in some cases, and sometimes ideologues are able to exert undue influence.

As for surgery, 18 sounds good, I wouldn't mind raising it to 21.
>I think you might also agree, although this might be a stretch, that encouraging gender neutral parenting is probably harmful to children being raised that way, because they don’t have the stable norms of masculinity/femininity to guide their development and their expectations about how others ought to treat them.
I actually agree with this. I'm not a gender abolitionist, and though I think we should be conscious and open about how we're shaped by certain arbitrary societal expectations, I don't think it's a good idea to throw the baby out with the bathwater and declare all gendered interactions or perspectives to be fluff.

Anonymous Tue Jul 14 03:16:39 2020 No.15855732

A cool wine aunt will have earned a gnarled & gruesome snatch so prolapsed that her drooping leathered labia appear as the glistening russet colored heads of turtles or like the strange proboscis of an eyeless subterranean mammal adapted to gulping silt or high-sand ratio marsh mud in either its search for tiny arthopod-derived calories or else burrowing some sort of nesting cavern to rest its cock-weary scabbard flapped face. A cool wine aunt has been dicked-down & dermatologically pulverized open by long prying motions from lengthy & pharmaceutically enhanced erections, slickly & snappily pistoning in & out of her roastie snapper the same as her dong-beaten brapper, their veiny & thick tumescences disappearing into the given aunt with the cadence born of great cardio-pulmonary conditioning, slap, slap, slap, pummeling cunt & cloaca with great steady vigors. Simultaneous penetrations, public perversions, emictions & eliminations upon the sweaty faces of paying clients, the cool wine aunt acquires knowledge of high & low slut stuff, cruising correctional facilities public parking lots for incarcerated males receptive to receiving the rippling petals of her gaping beef flower as a welcome-back-to-society gift, or, failing that, then descending into chemsex-fueled benders of nut butter-aided beastiality, emptying kennels of yet-tainted pup, using then hurling the not long ago unclean creatures tumbling tail over snout over the sides of bridges, overpasses, there relinquishing to nature the canine abominations that had scandalously tasted the aunt's vaginal victuals, lapping & schlopping the high calorie treat all the while the writhing cool wine aunt's brapper & snapper are each firing their climactic flatus like tolling bells, urging the pup on, loosing stools at climax as every women aches to do during their deepest orgasmic blisses, no skittish boyfriends to curtail their pleasure, the pup even gobbles up their kegel-launched logs & goes back to riveting clit work

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 03:17:22 2020 No.15855735 >>15855728 He settled the issue, definitely /pol/.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 03:20:17 2020 No.15855748 >>15855712 Not all people are meant to live long lives, tranny.

Anonymous Tue Jul 14 03:20:18 2020 No.15855749

>>15855724
>The opposite of disgust is delight. Delight in eight year olds getting their cocks chopped off. And I cannot co-sign that kind of modern American horror. McDonald’s? Trump? Whatever. Jazz Jennings? I shudder
I do not oppose transmedicalism, so I really don't have to justify these obviously unreasonable hypothetical scenarios. I disagree with them as much as you do.
>So then we just default to what? Biological sex? From which gender grows? Aren’t you just arguing for reterritorialization, then?
I'm not sure I understand what you mean by reterritorialization.

Anonymous Tue Jul 14 03:20:40 2020 No.15855754

>>15855728
It's because I've been arguing this shit for hours on end these last couple of days and it's always the same stock responses and jeering with no thought put into it. It's all so tiresome when the nth person asks you to dilate or says all social science is fake news, and the only reason they say this is because they're grossed out by trannies. I'm also grossed out by them, but I don't wish them harm because I have empathy.

Anonymous Tue Jul 14 03:24:09 2020 No.15855781

>>15855749
“Transmedicalism?”
Reterritorialization’s the breaking and rebuilding of categories. Roughly.
>>15855754
And you’ve only provided stock responses. Weird kind of online hell you’re trapped in, you’ve been made into a marionette. I’d recommend a night of restful sleep and a silent walk in the woods.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 03:24:46 2020 No.15855786 >>15855748 What criterion would you use to determine who should and who shouldn't live a long life? As I said, I accept criteria like agony+short life+no chance of recovery, and stuff like that. Gender dysphoria does not seem to warrant suicide

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 03:26:57 2020 No.15855799 >>15855786 But it seems to result in suicide. Even after the recommended surgeries. Maybe the insane are more predisposed to kill themselves. Crazy theory, but I might be able to find some evidence somewhere.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 03:27:54 2020 No.15855802 >>15855786 >What criterion would you use to determine who should and who shouldn't live a long life? The voluntary criterion works for me. It's not like the earth is running out of people. Exactly the opposite, in fact.

Anonymous Tue Jul 14 03:28:04 2020 No.15855804

>>15855781
Anti-transmedicalists reject the notion that gender dysphoria and transition should be treated as a medical problem. It usually involves the opposition of "medical barriers" to transition (like preventive therapy, waiting periods, age limits to transition, and so on).
>Reterritorialization’s the breaking and rebuilding of categories. Roughly
I still don't get it, maybe I'm just stupid. Could you reformulate that previous question?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 03:29:15 2020 No.15855810 >>15855754 Being tired is no excuse to call someone a (your words, not mine) “nigger.”

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 03:29:46 2020 No.15855812 Does anyone on /lit/ actually give a fuck about this? we've been having these threads nonstop. Who here gives a shit about Harry Potter? Who here gives a shit about trannies?

Anonymous Tue Jul 14 03:31:11 2020 No.15855819

>>15855799
In positive environments transition brings the suicide attempt rate down to 5% (from 40+%). In this regard, it is an effective treatment.
>>15855802
I don't think that the medical establishment should adopt a pro-suicide (frankly, nihilist) position. In my opinion it should, when possible, make it so that those suicides can be prevented.

Anonymous Tue Jul 14 03:32:49 2020 No.15855825

>>15855748
Why do you hate trans people? And don't give me the spiel about crazy SJW ideologues who want to castrate 8-year olds and force you to suck their boycock. Is there any reason why you would wish death on people who have not, and mean to do you no harm, who simply want to live out their best lives in the way they see fit? Even if they're gross.
>>15855781
>And you’ve only provided stock responses.
If ''read this data which supports my point'' is a stock response, it's still not quite on the level of ''you're a schizo who should neck yourself, but not before you dilate because YOU WILL NEVER BE A WOMAN REEEEEEE''

Anonymous Tue Jul 14 03:33:55 2020 No.15855828

>>15855804
They sound like fucking ghouls.

Okay, gender is a collection of arbitrary norms springing from biological sex differences (taboo, but they do exist). Say we knock down all gender norms (deterritorialization). They’ll be built back over generations, replacing the old gender norms with new gender norms (reterritorialization), since biological sex differences will persist. In 2050, men now wear frilly hats. I fail to see why this is a meaningful endeavor.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 03:35:33 2020 No.15855834 >>15855825 You’re still providing stock responses. It’s amazing to see. If you had a modicum of self-awareness, you’d be able to see it too.

Anonymous Tue Jul 14 03:35:49 2020 No.15855836

>>15855819
>I don't think that the medical establishment should adopt a pro-suicide (frankly, nihilist) position.
How is pro-freedom a form of "nihilism"?

>In my opinion it should, when possible, make it so that those suicides can be prevented.
You sound like a christcuck. Who are you to tell people that being alive is somehow 'objectively' better than being dead?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 03:36:39 2020 No.15855840 >>15855819 “Positive environments”?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 03:37:29 2020 No.15855842 >>15855825 >Why do you hate trans people? I don't. At all.

Anonymous Tue Jul 14 03:39:41 2020 No.15855856

>>15855836
>You sound like a christcuck. Who are you to tell people that being alive is somehow 'objectively' better than being dead?
In many cases they might be wrong, and that'a pretty bad thing to be wrong about.
>>15855840
"Positive environment"=you're not ostracized from society for transitioning. The biggest indicators for suicidality are family enstrangement and homelessness

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 03:40:16 2020 No.15855862 >>15855842 You’re talking to a hysterical cliche-machine. Probably an AI. Don’t take it personally.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 03:40:19 2020 No.15855863 >>15855834 I'll admit there's a hand-wringing quality to the first paragraph that might feel familiar, but it's still a question which invites though. >>15855842 Yes you do. What else would you like to learn about yourself?

Anonymous Tue Jul 14 03:41:28 2020 No.15855867

>>15855812
Why do you think we've been having threads non-stop? Trannies shitpost everywhere. They're vermin. They go to every single board with one single intention: tranny awareness. Every, single, fucking, board. Just ask /lgbt/, it's been /tttt/ for years because trannies overthrew it.

Anonymous Tue Jul 14 03:42:45 2020 No.15855872

>>15855856
Cool. So let’s wrap back around to a point I made before: should we be affirming the delusions of schizophrenics if it lifts their self-esteem? Maybe the problem isn’t the family, it might be the crazy person, who we should treat rather than enable.

>>15855863
Invites though what?

Anonymous Tue Jul 14 03:42:48 2020 No.15855873

>>15855828
The reterritorialization part would not be included in the gender eliminativist scenario. That said, I think it would be extremely likely to take place, which is why I think this whole notion, at a societal level, is utopic to say the least. I think we're gonna get stuck with arbitrary gender identities for a long, long time.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 03:44:01 2020 No.15855875 >>15855873 Right. It’s utopic and plays into the hands of the anti-transmedicalists or whatever fucking newspeak. So it’s out.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 03:44:03 2020 No.15855876 >>15851868 Eh I just feel pity mostly (except those who force those shit on others like children)

Anonymous Tue Jul 14 03:44:32 2020 No.15855878

>>15855872
>Cool. So let’s wrap back around to a point I made before: should we be affirming the delusions of schizophrenics if it lifts their self-esteem? Maybe the problem isn’t the family, it might be the crazy person, who we should treat rather than enable
As another anon told you, it would be preferable to give them anti-psychotic drugs. We have no such pharmacological option for dysphoric people.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 03:45:09 2020 No.15855884 >>15855867 They're like vegans.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 03:45:45 2020 No.15855887 >>15855875 I'll let you notice that I haven't argued for it. I've just said that we are as delusional as trans people, and they too are not gender eliminativists.

Anonymous Tue Jul 14 03:46:53 2020 No.15855894

>>15855876
I’d feel bad for pedophiles if it wasn’t for the ones who fuck kids.
>>15855878
Can you fucking imagine what would happen if somebody proposed a chemical fix for transness that wasn’t a pharmaceutical hormone/identity subscription service? Why, it’d be gay conversion therapy.
>>15855887
Crucial difference being that my dick and balls comfortably correspond with my male gender, goofball.

Anonymous Tue Jul 14 03:51:49 2020 No.15855917

>>15851868
I'd just like to join the dozen or so people clamoring to share their opinion as if anyone gives a fuck

>Do you guys actually hate trannies though?
No, I evaluate people individually. It's an advantage of participating in the outside world that I don't give a fuck about concepts of demographics. I've known three trans people, they were all fine.

Anonymous Tue Jul 14 03:52:17 2020 No.15855919

>>15855884
The tranny mods even started banning masc threads on /lgbt/ for a while. The fact of the matter is, it's a cult. Their mission isn't equality, it's to stamp out the non-adherents to their cult mantras and philosophy. When you look at gay people, and the history behind homosexuality, you find that is has been present for a pretty significant chunk of recorded history; equal rights became a thing, and there has been a steady increase in the numbers of gay people over several decades, largely believed to be a result of better social situations enabling those gay people to come forward.

Trannies though? We've had SRS and HRT for years. Why is it only since 2015 or so, that we've had such an explosion of the number of trannies? Is it because people didn't know they existed? Oh, come, even homosexuals were historically known to some cross-dressing proclivities. It's clearly not that people didn't 'know' it was an option, but rather, the rhetoric around it changed. It started being promised as a cure-all for a bunch of social retards that can't function in society. It told them 'OH NO it's because your body is wrong that you don't fit in', not 'you're a fucking autist with anorexia that likes to dress as sonic the hedgehog'.

It's a bullshit cult. Every trooner I've met has been an unstable wreck. They're disgusting aberrations.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 03:53:42 2020 No.15855929 >>15855872 It should've said thought.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 03:55:37 2020 No.15855943 >>15855929 >who simply want to live out their best lives in the way they see fit That doesn’t invite thought, it murders it with a cudgel. Like I said, sleep, woods, it’ll do you good.

Anonymous Tue Jul 14 03:58:46 2020 No.15855957

>>15855919
I'll be interested to see where everything stands in 5-10 years. How many of these people will have de-transitioned by then, after finding that transitioning didn't solve their woes? And the longer an unstable cult goes on, the more likelihood of ideological schisms splitting them apart.

Anonymous Tue Jul 14 04:01:05 2020 No.15855969

>>15855957
The only question is how many otherwise happy kids are gonna be fucking worm food because they found themselves guinea pigs in a social experiment.

I’ve found that most Americans are doomed to die ridiculously. This fits the bill, so it probably will happen over and over again.

Anonymous Tue Jul 14 04:04:28 2020 No.15855980

>>15855957
You're right about that, but it also faces some other difficulties: when people transition, they're buying into an affirmation system, not dissimilar from scientology. The trannydom cult is likely an improvement for many of the autists that transition in the trannysphere; that is to say, the seemingly unconditional(?) love and support they get from being in the cult is likely a step up from being an outcast and autist. It is only when that identity comes into conflict with what they experience in the real world, that they would be able to understand that it hasn't fixed those problems; unfortunately, as all good cults do, they are resorting to methods of violence and oppression to stifle any dissent, ala Westboro Baptist Church. Someone said they're uncomfortable? Better fuckin' sue that transphobic fuck.

(?) - it's not really unconditional. The condition is very clear. Rather, the success of that condition is not taken into account. Even absolute monstrosities are lauded as 'beautiful' by the trans community.

Anonymous Tue Jul 14 04:07:22 2020 No.15855995

>>15855894
>Can you fucking imagine what would happen if somebody proposed a chemical fix for transness that wasn’t a pharmaceutical hormone/identity subscription service?
People who disagree with me would be mad, that's what would happen. I'm only concerned with the physical and mental health of human beings, which is why, for now, I mostly don't oppose transition (I say mostly because there are ghouls, as you call them, who support clearly non-medical forms of transition, i.e. the ones involving minors).
>Crucial difference being that my dick and balls comfortably correspond with my male gender, goofball
You mean "my 'man' gender"?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 04:09:03 2020 No.15855998 >>15851868 T.ranny

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 04:09:55 2020 No.15856002 >>15855995 Righto, my man gender. And my man sex. My fuckin’ man sex.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 04:12:40 2020 No.15856018 File: 66 KB, 649x527, 571FF383-CCC3-4A23-A91A-04A5446BF748.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] If gender is totally arbitrary, how can you be born as one “knowing” you should be the other?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 04:14:17 2020 No.15856024 >>15856018 Because gender ain’t arbitrary!

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 04:18:37 2020 No.15856039 File: 42 KB, 512x1024, 659DB5BF-0E8E-4C9C-B768-E4F1A80CCCFF.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15856024 But my fair anon, people on the internet keep saying it is!

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 04:21:02 2020 No.15856058 >>15856039 People on the internet say lots of silly things. Takes a real dunderhead to take web-facts at face value.

Anonymous Tue Jul 14 04:22:14 2020 No.15856062

>>15856002
I would say that the compatibility between your man gender and your male sex is ultimately contingent. Also as I've said in that same post, if there were a way to ameloriate the effects of dysphoria without having to resort to transition, I would support it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 04:24:59 2020 No.15856082 File: 77 KB, 514x737, BB2212EA-8AC1-43B4-83B6-F4EFE3502DBA.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15856058 Truly. I must now depart, and go tend to my cabbages. Adieu.

Anonymous Tue Jul 14 04:30:45 2020 No.15856103

>>15856062
Contingent on what?
I’m happy as a pig in shit. Slurping beer, waving my pecker around, singing “Heart of Glass” in the shower.
If you tell me it’s contingent on some nerd’s “well akshually” dissertation, I’m going to have to spank your ass raw.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 04:34:42 2020 No.15856121 >>15851868 Like most things the hate doesn't come from people hating trannies but the forced narrative and 'correct speech' that bored housewifes and academics force upon others.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 04:41:43 2020 No.15856164 >>15851868 Nah. Only people with strange psycho-sexual hang-ups hate trannies (which more or less describes every conservative ever).

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 04:55:46 2020 No.15856249 >>15856164 I haven’t heard this canard since 2003, wow. Is that what you’ve fallen back on?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 04:57:10 2020 No.15856259 >>15856121 4chan needs a rule to isolate tranny talk to /lgbt/.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 05:02:12 2020 No.15856284 >>15856259 It's like /pol/, it seeps into everything.

Anonymous Tue Jul 14 05:18:06 2020 No.15856371

>>15856103
>Contingent on what?
On the current societal understanding of thr gender "man".
->I’m happy as a pig in shit. Slurping beer, waving my pecker around, singing “Heart of Glass” in the shower.
I'm happy for you. I'm having a blast too.
>If you tell me it’s contingent on some nerd’s “well akshually” dissertation, I’m going to have to spank your ass raw
:(

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 05:19:37 2020 No.15856382 >>15856284 >It's like /pol/, it seeps into everything. It'd be impossible to discuss philosophy, history etc without politics. We can absolutely have those discussions without /tttt/ invading.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 05:22:06 2020 No.15856391 >>15856382 /tttt/ is another face of another coin. Everyone who makes a dialogue about these things on /lit/ should be treated with the same amount of scorn. I just want to discuss philosophical issues, for God's sake!

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 06:21:06 2020 No.15856659 >>15851868 I don’t hate anyone but they are a fucking gross type of mental illness

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 06:23:37 2020 No.15856675 >>15852861 This really is the ironic thing. They scream for acceptance while completely rejecting themselves

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 06:28:33 2020 No.15856699 >>15851868 While humorous, we'd be better off if they were all euthanized.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 06:32:52 2020 No.15856722 >>15856062 >I would say that the compatibility between your man gender and your male sex is ultimately contingent. Shit. Don't tell me you fucks have invaded philosophy departments too....

Anonymous Tue Jul 14 07:10:53 2020 No.15856896

>>15854880
All you have shown is that mentally ill faggots threaten to kill themselves if we dont play along with their make believe and even when we do, they still kill themselves at higher rates. Why is that supposed to motivate anybody to play along? It's either a self solving problem or it becomes a can of worms not worth opening.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 07:14:47 2020 No.15856914 >>15855154 >DNA no affect brain >mutation not real >mother goddess gaia create all men, womyn, and queerbipocfolx equal

Anonymous Tue Jul 14 07:15:19 2020 No.15856916

>>15854880
>>15856896
Here's how it goes
>Be a mentally defunct social retard
>Get little overt 'love and support'; most of it is covert
>Don't understand covert incarnations of love, nobody says I'm special
>Dislike self as a result
>Become aware enough of social retardation
>Begin to consider options like suicide
>Be convinced by the troony brigade that it's all signs of gender dysphoria
>Take titty skittles, become an abhorrent abomination
>People online shower you with overt 'love and support'
>Suddenly feel like you're winning at life

Trannies claim it's 'gender dysphoria' alleviation improving quality of life/outlook/depression, but in reality, it's the attention and validation being received that improves the outlook. Support, love, and attention, are all commonly known to alleviate feelings of depression.

Correlation != Causation.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 07:16:05 2020 No.15856919 Serves her right. Luckily, her insane wealth and enormous fanbase will shelter her from the effects of cancellation. CNN is beyond nuts now. What percentage of Americans actually watch and believe this shit?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 07:20:20 2020 No.15856936 >>15856919 It is their "opinion" page. So it lets them on the one hand invest an idea with the prestige of this ministry of truth, but on the oither hand say "its just an opinion bro" when it gets btfo.

Anonymous Tue Jul 14 07:22:10 2020 No.15856942

>>15851868
Trannies are semi-based although I don't care for them. They decided to castrate themselves and put on a dress just to show women they can't compete with men in sports and that's hilarious. It's just unfortunate they had to make such
a sacrifice in order to do so, though.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 07:22:56 2020 No.15856945 It's a sick thing, very damaged individuals. Would definitely fuck one of the hot ones though

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 07:26:39 2020 No.15856967 >>15856914 You know that not every biological phenomenon has a genetic cause, right? This is genetics 101

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 07:27:59 2020 No.15856973 >>15856722 "You fucks"? What's the group are you boxing me into?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 07:29:02 2020 No.15856979 >>15856967 Every biological phenomenon is by definition contingent upon genetic causes. Show me the organisms without DNA.

Anonymous Tue Jul 14 07:36:49 2020 No.15857022
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>Yes, yes, well done Hufflepuff, well done. However, recent events must be taken into account. And I have a few last minute points to award. {The Gryffindor students look up.} To Miss Hermione Granger, for the use of cool intellect against discord trannies, 50 points. {Applause.}
>Harry: {Pats} Good job.
>Dumbledore: Second, to Mr. Ronald Weasley, for tweeting "transwomen aren't people, let alone women" {Ron looks at Harry and mouths, 'Me?' Harry nods, and mouths, 'You!'} ...50 points. {Applause} And third, to Mr. Harry Potter, for casting "reparo" on the crotch of every trans student you came across, I award Gryffindor house 60 points. {Immense cheering.}
>Hermione: We're tied with Hufflepuff!
>Dumbledore: And finally, it takes a great deal of bravery to stand up to your enemies, but a great deal more to stand up to your friends. I award 10 points to JK Rowling!
>{The castle erupted in cheers}
>Dumbledore: which means, I think, we are need of a change of decoration!
>Dumbledore clapped twice. Ropes appeared around 40% of the hufflepuffs' throats, then swiftly hoisted them up in place of the banners.
>"Pass the treacle tart, minerva" bellowed dumbledore

Anonymous Tue Jul 14 07:36:54 2020 No.15857023

>>15856979
You might be using the term "genetic cause" in an excessively generic way. Let's say that I go to an heavily irradiated area, ending up getting leukemia. It would be crazy to assume that said radiation-related mutation had a genetic cause: rather, it would be something that affected my genes.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 07:38:42 2020 No.15857036 >>15857022 PEENO INVERTO

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 07:38:53 2020 No.15857037 >>15857023 The cancer you suffered afterward would be due to the damaged DNA. The radiation didn't bring cancer cells in with it; the cancer cells developed due to the mitochondria and DNA of the individual cells was damaged.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 07:42:32 2020 No.15857048 >>15857037 As I've said >it would be something that affected my genes. I haven't taken genes out of the equation, I have just pointed out that they were not the source of the mutation (rather, they were the receptacle of said mutation).

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 07:44:12 2020 No.15857060 >>15857048 I don't understand how that precludes mental illness being genetic.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 07:45:34 2020 No.15857070 >>15851868 I don’t hate them, I just find them gross and repulsive. What I find gross is the way they get mutilated to pretend to be a woman. Lot of trannies are trannies because they spend too much time in echo chamber.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 07:47:00 2020 No.15857080 >>15857060 It could be caused by non-genetic sources (and I'll add: so far no genetic cause has been identified)

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 07:48:03 2020 No.15857083 >>15857080 I guess you'll just have to plead agnostic on this one.

Anonymous Tue Jul 14 07:52:00 2020 No.15857110

>>15851868
I often wonder what people would think if transitioning was actually a real thing. Just imagine a far future where some crazy biotechnology can let people change their gender entirely. Would there still be such a reaction to trannies? I don' think so. The issue with it now is that they are usually really fucked up from living in denial of reality and usually end up as creepy old men wearing dresses and molesting kids. I do feel bad for those who get tricked into undergoing surgery thinking it will actually make them what they want to be

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 07:52:51 2020 No.15857116 >>15857110 >just imagine magic bro

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 07:54:13 2020 No.15857128 >>15857083 I am, the guy I was responding to (>>15855141, >>15856914) didn't

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 07:56:59 2020 No.15857139 >>15857116 I was making a point my guy. are you triggered or something

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 07:57:27 2020 No.15857141 >>15857139 cope

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 07:58:48 2020 No.15857148 >>15857141 no

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 08:00:13 2020 No.15857154 Can we all just admit that "transgenderism" is nonsensical?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 14 08:01:58 2020 No.15857161 >>15857154 welcome to the age of nonsense, honk honk.

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