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[Anonymous No.15830577]

Books to help me understand why current generations are the most depressed in recent history?
Reading Nietzsche helped me understand a bit but I think I still don't have the full picture.

[Anonymous No.15830591]

nietzsche created nihilism. nietzsche said chirsanity was nihilism, but he created the nihilism of the secular humanist bourgeois that the middle class crave today.

nietzsche says that facts are irrelevant and created the moronic meme of creating one's values. this is how braindead he was and why the bourgeois took over. When you combine this with humanism, you get the mixture of capitalism with bourgeois humanism, bourgeois republic where the middle class feels righteous for just creating their won values through the goods they purchase. THe field of activities in the bourgeois republic, ie Purchasing goods and making capitalism thrive while shitting on capitalism during their arm chair philosophy time is the best basis of society that the bourgeois could have built for the middle class to feel smart and righteous while embracing an ideology which will always shit on them.


This is why the middle class likes nietzsche

[Anonymous No.15830607]

>>15830591
>nietzsche created nihilism. nietzsche said chirsanity was nihilism

Did you actually even read him? He thought about christianity as a will to nothingness, not Not willing, that would be nihilism. Also he goes in depth on why it was Christianity that killed itself and created nihilism. Saying Nietzsche created Nihilism is so fucking retarded my guy

[Anonymous No.15830630]

>>15830591

You should have Jacobi's letter to Fichte on nihilism instead of speaking things you clearly do not understand

[Anonymous No.15830675]

>>15830591
What is your answer to the problem that God is dead if not by the transvaluation of all values? On what basis are things to be valued?

[Anonymous No.15830676]

>>15830577
I recommend reading Kierkegaard's Either/Or, Heidegger's Being and Time, various works on Critical Theory (especially early stuff by Simmel), and Hegel's Phenomenology of Spirit. These works may help to explain why people today are so depressed. God Bless.

[Anonymous No.15830681]

>>15830676
Thank you fren. I always wanted to read phenomenology of spirit but its so hard

[Anonymous No.15830683]

>>15830577
Hint, focus on technology and specifically its association with society, philosophy, morality and values/virtues. That should reduce the ammount of books to look at

[Anonymous No.15830694]

>>15830577
Mein Kampf

[Anonymous No.15830718]

>>15830577
I'll skip straight ahead and just give you the answer
Because as much as people prentend to want the fetishised idea of "happiness" they simply are, helplessly in love with misery.
Give a man the thing he wants the most today and next week he will find something else thay he simply, CANNOT possibly ever be happy without.

[Anonymous No.15830726]

>>15830591
Nietzsche's philosophy is the philosophy of the aristocracy. The middle class wants slave morality such as christianity and socialism.

[Anonymous No.15830737]

>>15830676
Simmel's 'The Metropolis and Mental Life'

[Anonymous No.15830748]

>>15830726

[Anonymous No.15830761]

>>15830577
just look around you, most of the zoomers do nothing but drink, smoke and do drugs. add porn and masturbation on top of it and there you have it, le anxiedy amd debressiun
t. therapist fren zoomer

[Anonymous No.15830824]

>>15830761
that seems an oversimplification

[Anonymous No.15831293]

>>15830748
That Nietzsche's philosophy was the philosophy of the aristocracy is Georg Brandes' interpretation, one that Nietzsche himself favored:
"The expression 'aristocratic radicalism', which you use, is very good. That is, if I may say so, the shrewdest remark that I have ever read about me."

Unlike you, I'm actually not just pulling things from my ass.

[Anonymous No.15831307]

is it really true that we're more mentally ill now or simply that cases of mental illness went undiagnosed across history? i think there are ancient accounts of PTSD (or what seems like PTSD) for instance

[Anonymous No.15831322]

>>15831307
mental illness is mostly BS

[Anonymous No.15831371]

Ted Kaczynski, industrial society and its future

[Anonymous No.15831416]

>>15831371
i mean everyone in this thread seems to ignore the fact that zoomers have been raised by technology.

[Anonymous No.15831500]

>>15831416
Amen brother, it would be insane to think that mass communication, the widespread availability of porn, and the echo chamber mentality of online forums wouldn’t have an effect on human beings

[Anonymous No.15831523]

>>15830718
Who can even give lasting happiness to person?

[Anonymous No.15831546]

>>15831523
Jesus Christ

[Anonymous No.15831563]

>>15831546
I wish but i cant do the leap of faith.

[Anonymous No.15831564]

>>15830577
Lack of guiding values. Humans need a reason to forge ahead. Some strange trick of the mind. Convince a human will die in 45years time and he is but a speck of dust floating in the infinite winds of the cosmos and watch how the taste of the most delicious chocolate turns to ash in his mouth. Th rational aspect of humanity is a extremely powerful tool but it can literally strip the meaning from your life if it isn't fed the right information. When God died the most terrible realization descended upon humanity. That we are in charge of our reality. And it crippled those who could not see the beauty of their own being.

[Anonymous No.15831574]

>>15830577
>Books to help me understand why current generations are the most depressed in recent history?

it's unironically capitalism's fault. Read Marx.

[Anonymous No.15831580]

>>15831574
this is the exact opposite direction you'd like to go. Read Hitler.

[fite No.15831594]

>>15830577
World is turning to shit, it seems perspectiveness. Leftists look at climate and fear that we will die within next century, right-wingers look at the demographics and fear that we will die within next century. And when all is futile, the world is but vanity, you go to hedonism. Carpe diem and memento mori, those were the two biggest literary motives in 17th century when 30 years war and black death killed 1/3 of European motives, it is nothing new. In the end if history repeats we will find ourselves in a new age of enlightenment, with the old struggles (between protestants and catholics) being irrelevant again as we moved on to another level of development.

[jesus No.15831640]

>>15830748
look at these people. glassy eyed automatons constantly talking with themselves in endless internal monologue about their daily important attachments, never stopping to look around and see! I am the only conscious human in a world of NPC.

[jesus No.15831687]

>>15831307
yes. humanity suffers from severe vegetable disorder. no other animal will sit in abominable invention "chair" in stupid "office" 8 hours, even small children refuse to be jailed to a single place. to force themselves to sit people make themselves heavy, i.e. not eating enough to become weak, or using nicotine, or simply overeating. why americans are the most obese? because they are most driving nation. all day long they sit.

[Anonymous No.15831696]

>>15830577
Unironically The Unique and Its Property by Max Stirner.
A lot of the unhappiness of people comes from being alienated, and little from being in a truly fucked up situation.

[Anonymous No.15831753]

[Anonymous No.15831812]

>>15831580
hitler and marx would have agreed on a lot of things

[Anonymous No.15831849]

>>15831753
>Kurt Cobain killed himself because of record companies making money off his music
Dropped

[Anonymous No.15831877]

>>15830577
Dictionary of obscure sorrows?

[Anonymous No.15831900]

>>15831849
he never said such thing.

[Anonymous No.15832227]

>>15830577
Well you have a generation being bombarded 24/7 by consumeristic ads telling them that all they want is to be lazy, lay in bed to watch netflix, buy cool clothes, eat at the trendiest restaurant and consoom in general.

Instead, what people would actually want is *insert what you think human nature is (for me it's working to improve your own condition)*

[Anonymous No.15832261]

>>15831580
The opposite of Marx would be Adam Smith. Or if you are looking for something easier Ayn Rand, Sowell or Friedman

[Anonymous No.15832268]

>>15831594
So what you're saying is we're living in the new Dark Ages?

[Anonymous No.15832290]

>>15830577
jung - the undiscovered self

[Anonymous No.15832308]

>>15830718
Yes. Nothing is ever enough. THIS can't be all there this, THIS can't be it. There has to be something else, and once I go there THEN I will be happy. It is always in the future.

[Anonymous No.15832322]

>>15832261
>The opposite of Marx would be Adam Smith.
Brainlet

[Anonymous No.15832333]

>>15831563
Reason precedes faith, use it

[Anonymous No.15832352]

>>15830577
Das Kapital.

[Anonymous No.15832467]

>>15832333
Reasoning out the fate seems like an impossible thing.

[Anonymous No.15832477]

>>15830591
>nietzsche created nihilism.

[Anonymous No.15832490]

Materialism. Capitalism. Irreligion. Destruction of the family. Wealth inequality. Jobs going overseas. Social media. The list goes on.

[Anonymous No.15832536]

>>15830577
>skyhigh housing prices
>have to go for meme degrees to have 0.1% chance at a decent job
>mostly stuck in grinding wage slave jobs
>all these while living in a literal polluted concrete jungle
>healthy food is hard to acquire, the rest is chock full of chemicals
You don't have to be a scientist to figure out why most people are depressed.

[Anonymous No.15832559]

>>15830577
Read Deleuze and Marcuse. If you are a redpill fag you should try with their slef-help bullshit (Julius Evola and Jordan Peterson) but you'll probably end up screaming to 15 yo trans children on the internet or killing yourself.

[jesus No.15832581]

>>15830577
What is good?—Whatever augments the feeling of power, the will to power, power itself, in man.
What is evil?—Whatever springs from weakness.
What is happiness?—The feeling that power increases—that resistance is overcome.
Not contentment, but more power; not peace at any price, but war; not virtue, but efficiency (virtue in the Renaissance sense, virtu, virtue free of moral acid).

if you do not have a goal, freedom, you will be depressed, weak, vegetable. end of technological progress, end of innovation means end of purpose, end of decisions, end of challenge. so, goys, expect depression to grow. that is communism you all expected to come.

[Anonymous No.15832588]

>>15832477
Poor Nietzsche, but I don't think he'd be surprised if he knew desu

[Anonymous No.15832610]

>>15832559
> Deleuze and Marcuse

Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

[Anonymous No.15832628]

>>15832352

[Anonymous No.15832635]

>>15832610
Show me your widom please.

[Anonymous No.15832665]

>>15832635
The poverty of postmodernism and critical theory, and the resultant contemporary moral-religious mass hysteria, delivers final verdict on their works.

[Anonymous No.15832716]

>>15831574
based, it's no coincidence that this generation is also the first in modern history to be worse off than their parents

[Anonymous No.15832734]

>>15832665
It's not the author's fault that a buch of teenage illiterates only have access to, essentially, self-help tweets for insecure queer teenagers vagely inspired by their ideas. But feel free to recommend any authors anon, I'm intrigued.

[Anonymous No.15832786]

>>15831371
Or go directly to the source and read The Technological Society by Ellul.

[Anonymous No.15832870]

>>15832734
I think fundamentally that Nietzsche is the alpha and omega. In the context of postmodernism, Foucault is Janissary-Nietzsche, castrated and forced into the service of Islam. There is no need to read Foucault if you can read Nietzsche.

Regarding the poverty of modern social theory, I think the case is best laid out by Karl Popper in e.g. "The Positivism Dispute in German Sociology" where he takes on the critical theorists, and by Steven Pinker in his seminal "Blank Slate" work.

Nick Land writes some extremely compelling, contemporary, neo-Nietzschean philosophy.

In the end, I also think that you should grow out of the verbose obscurantism of these kinds of thinkers. Philosophy of this kind has never, and will never, equal the explanatory power of mathematics. If you try looking into academic economics you will find a new world of social theory that is exhilarating in its stringent lucidity. Economics can obviously not stand alone, but given that you are well-versed in philosophy, learning math applied to social problems is really an immense cultivation of your own intellect.

[Anonymous No.15832881]

>>15832665
You're really fucking stupid and probably rarely read philosophy.

t. (neet) with PhD in phil

[Anonymous No.15833195]

>>15832665
yikes

[Anonymous No.15834062]

>>15830577
Emerald Tablet

[Anonymous No.15834676]

>>15832786
false. Industrial Society and Its Future engages many concepts beyond Ellul, and it systematizes everything into a very concise and easy to read essay which is far more accessible and introductory than Ellul. Kaczynski's manifesto is the best place to start.

[Anonymous No.15834727]

>>15830577
Technological Slavery

"(c) “Today,” you write, “one can… adopt whatever beliefs or lifestyle
one wants. One can also easily travel, experiencing other cultures….”
But to what end? What, in practical terms, does one accomplish
by changing one’s beliefs or lifestyle, or by experiencing other cultures?
Essentially nothing—except whatever fun one gets from it. People don’t need
only fun, they need purposeful work, and they need to have control not only
over the pleasure-oriented aspects of their lives but over the serious, practical,
purposeful, life-and-death aspects. That kind of control is not possible
in modern society because we are all at the mercy of large organizations.
Up to a point, having fun is good for you. But it’s not an adequate substitute
for serious, purposeful activity. For lack of this kind of activity people in our
society get bored. They try to relieve their boredom by having fun. They seek
new kicks, new thrills, new adventures. They masturbate their emotions by
experimenting with new religions, new art-forms, travel, new cultures, new
philosophies, new technologies. But still they are never satisfied, they always
want more, because all of these activities are purposeless. People don’t realize
that what they really lack is serious, practical, purposeful work—work that is
under their own control and is directed to the satisfaction of their own most
essential, practical needs."

--Kaczynski, Technological Slavery (2019), p. 250.

[Anonymous No.15834738]

Read the Synthesis of the Objective and Subjective by the great Horia Belcea.

[Anonymous No.15834800]

>>15834727
You would benefit from reading pp. 145-149 of Technological Slavery (2019) in particular.

In a nutshell, humans in a technological society lack meaningful freedom--real freedom---which is to undergo the power process and with autonomy (see ISAIF). Prolonged periods without this freedom and experience of power leads to helplessness and depression. These are not arbitrary concepts, but rooted in our understanding of animal biology: animals need to have purposeful work in which to experience power over their environments, without which they become helpless and depressed. They may even develop "learned helplessness" wherein their repeated failures at experiencing purposeful work and power result in defeatism and despair--an internalization of their frustration.

[Anonymous No.15835074]

>>15830577
Faust

[Anonymous No.15835451]

>>15834062
>>15834727
>>15835074
All three of these.

>as above, so below (when something ascends, others must degenerate)
>with great power comes great sacrifice (when power is attained, it must be lost elsewhere)
>as one aspect of society develops more and more advanced technology (i.e. they become more advanced), all other aspects eventually become impersonally enslaved to it (i.e. they degenerate)

No one has succeeded in reversing this process and no one ever will. If that worries you, go get drunk and forget about it.

[Anonymous No.15835792]

>>15830577
>Books to help me understand why current generations are the most depressed in recent history?
Are they?

[Anonymous No.15835849]

>>15831307
>is it really true that we're more mentally ill now or simply that cases of mental illness went undiagnosed across history?

We can argue about definitions of depression in comparison to historic people, or between wealthy nations and developing/poor nations. But suicide is pretty cut and dry for the most part. Suicide is at it's highest in wealthy, atheistic nations. And exists at higher rates now than it did in the past (as far as we know)

[Anonymous No.15835873]

Read Baudrillard and Zygmunt Bauman. We are in Postmodernity or Liquid Modernity. The social fabric of the world before 1991 no longer exists, we are slaves to mass consumption and are raised by technology. Younger generations have no purpose, are more liberal than ever before, and are no longer given a sense of belonging in life. Nationality, race, gender, sexuality are becoming obsolete and muddled in the cesspool of globalized capital. Nietzsche accurately predicted that our generation would be the "Last Men" of history. We live in comfort, we embrace slave morality, but we are unhappy and meaninglessly living in casual nihilism.

[Anonymous No.15835889]

>>15830577
Some economic journal

[Anonymous No.15835903]

>>15835792
Imagine getting raped by horse niggers from the steppes during the twilight of Rome and thinking "well at least I'm not depressed!"

[Anonymous No.15835953]

>>15830591
>he created the nihilism of the secular humanist bourgeois that the middle class crave today.
Stopped reading here. And I also thing you should stop reading, like in general, I guess you're just too dumb for it.

[Anonymous No.15836280]

>>15832308
If this is true, if nothing is ever enough and we will never be happy, then seriously, why not just fucking end it all now?

[Anonymous No.15837339]

>>15835849
>wealthy, atheistic nations.
That could explain SK but not eastern europe.