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https://twitter.com/preetrang/status/1267413715726581765

>> No.15811448

>>15811442
>our desire to know the truth predated our ability to discover it

ta-da

>> No.15811460
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>>15811442
So is suffering, doesn't mean it shouldn't be transcended, stupid traditionalist.

>> No.15811912

>>15811460
>he wants to get rid of suffering

get a load of this guy

>> No.15811940

>>15811448
Truth fetishism is a false value created by religion

>> No.15811965

>>15811940
Are you just making up terms?

Obviously there's a Truth.

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>>15811912
>A self flagellating schizophrenic
Oh how sad

>> No.15812016

>>15811442
So we evolved god into being and then he created us?

>> No.15812019

>>15811965
if it were obvious (self-evident) then why is there so much disagreement about the matter?

>> No.15812027

>>15812019
> equipment not good enough to detect root of reality
> mathematics not good enough to describe root of reality
> existing beliefs violently oppose discovering actual root of reality

Why would you think it would be simple?

>> No.15812045

>>15811442
How do materialists cope with the fact that spiritless nature has begotten spirit?

>> No.15812049

>>15812027
Sorry. I meant not disagreements about the nature of the reality, but rather, whether the reality in fact exists. It may exist, but is it obvious that it exists? Of course, it may be that to deny the existence of a ground level truth (saying nothing about its accessibility or lack thereof) is self-refuting, and wrong a priori, but how can we know this for sure? Is this claim more compelling than other philosophical claims?

>> No.15812072

>>15812049
I get you. I think it's impossible to prove reality from within it. This is the entire point of Gödel's Incompleteness Theorems, right? "This statement cannot be proven" -- I'd say the universe (being mathematical) follows the same rule, or rather is subject to the same theorems. You cannot logically prove its existence using it itself.

That does not mean that somewhere there is not a Truth, even if it's beyond the reach of reality itself (let alone humans).

>> No.15812085

>>15812072
True (lol). It seems impossible to escape the assumption that there is a Truth when we do anything - but if I take it for granted, I feel intellectually dishonest and complacent. The dogmatic insistence that there is a Truth is often coupled with a *particular* truth claim (though, of course, the opposite contention, that there is no truth, about one thing or another, has pragmatic and ideological value too).

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>>15811442
absolutely everything is adaptation, and what evolutionary is about this one?
why do you stupid pederasts insert claims into questions?