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What philosophy books have you read cover to cover? Be honest

>> No.15801395
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>> No.15801417

>>15801387
The Ethics, Anti-Oedipus, A Thousand Plateaus, Logic of Sense, and Science of Logic

>> No.15801431

>>15801387
A lot of contemporary ones and secondaries, of primaries cover to cover some dialogues of plato

>> No.15801478

>>15801431
>reading contemporaries but nothing inbetween plato and today
Let me guess, analytic academic "philosophy"

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I read several more but but these were the best 3 by far

>> No.15801715

>>15801395
why do you not remain anonymous

>> No.15801720

>>15801478
No I read history of philosophies and readers on them but mostly just analysis on them or what they mean in regards to 'hegelian logic' for instance

>> No.15801721

>>15801387
I leave them bookmarked with 20 pages left, never to read again.

>> No.15801725

None, desoo

>> No.15801726

>>15801715
You don’t know who I am.

>> No.15801829

>>15801720
Why not read the originals? How can you ever be sure you know that Hegel said if you just read what others think Hegel said

>> No.15801863

>>15801829
Because it's better understood contextually. I'm more interested in why descartes wrote what he wrote, how he was as a person than just him. The fact that he's a rationalist and effected the end of the church on philosophical grounds and what Cogito Ergo Sum proves and forced ppl to deal w historically and that Augustine preceded him is way more enlightening to me. I don't knock primary reading but it's more in line with what I find interesting. That being said there's always a good reason to deepdive plato throughout your life. Most arguments at the core have been answered by him and realistically that should just be the start of the discussion imo

>> No.15801893

>>15801387

>Last Days of Socrates
>An Enquiry Concerning Human Understanding
>Conspiracy Against the Human Race

that's it desu

>> No.15801947

About 150

>> No.15801968

Most of Sartre’s stuff. Never finished Dialectic of Reason tho

>> No.15801976

>>15801726
I know who you are because I've been here since 07, but I'm not him. Hi butterfly, I read too.

>> No.15802041

>>15801721
This

>> No.15802049

>>15801726
Please butterwhore just fucking show me your tits already god I can't live without you

>> No.15802371

>>15801387
Idk. Not many. Most recently read The Courage to Be by Tillich.

>> No.15802377

>>15801976
You know the surface of the lake.

>> No.15802491

>>15802377
Can I get to know more :D

>> No.15802511

>>15802377
I also would like to know more. Please buttercunt. Help me help you help me understand you.

>> No.15802529

>>15802377
You should start a twitter or a blog or something

>> No.15802765

>>15802377
Still water runs deep

>> No.15802769

>>15801387
In the order I read them: The Prince, The Birth Of Tragedy, Beyond Good and Evil, Genealogy of Morals, The Will To Power, Thus Spoke Zarathustra, Fear And Trembling, The Myth Of Sisyphus, A Short History of Decay, The Ego and Its Own, Summa Contra Gentiles, Candide, De Anima, The Republic, and I'm currently working on The World As Will and Representation.

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>> No.15802829

>>15801387
for me, it was Bertrand Russell's History of Western Philosophy

>> No.15803221

>>15801387
Phenomenology Of Spirit
Science of Logic
The Critique of Pure Reason
Being And Time (didn't actually understand it)
Naming And Necessity
all Nietzsche

>> No.15803235

>>15801387
The meditations of Marcus Aurelius, The bible, The prince, the art of war, 12 rules for life and The Book of Mormon

>> No.15803266

>>15801387
Discipline and Punish because I went to a university Foucault worked at and all the professors were obsessed with him

>> No.15803407

>>15803266
Was anal fisting a graduation requirement?

>> No.15803420

I've read Plato - Last Days of Socrates
I just bought a copy of Descartes Meditations and Discourse on the Method for a dollar, should i read it?

>> No.15803427

>>15803407
kek kek

>> No.15803435

>>15802769
Wait till you crack open Decline of the West and some Klages

>> No.15803616

>>15803435
Might be a while before I get to them, with nothing much to do but read and search for more books to read my reading list has grown quite a bit.

>> No.15804046

>>15801387
Rousseau - Confessions, Social Contract
J. S. Mill - Utilitarianism, On Liberalism
Lao Tzu - Tao Te Ching
Al-Ghazali - The Alchemy of Happiness
Machiavelli - The Discourses on Livy, The Prince
M. Aurelius - Meditations
Epictetus - Enchiridion
Seneca - Letters from a Stoic
Spinoza - Ethics
Leibniz - Discourse on Metaphysics, the Monadology
Descartes - Meditations, Discourse on the Method
Augustine - City of God, Confessions
Cicero - Letters
Pascal - Pensees
Kierkegaard - Sickness unto Death, Fear and Trembling, Either/Or

>> No.15804073

>>15801395
makes sense if you're trans

>> No.15804079

>>15801947
Lies

>> No.15804094

>>15802769
>I'm currently working on The World As Will and Representation.
>reaing schopehauer before kant

>> No.15804098

>>15803221
>didn't actually understand it
Did you understand PoS and CoPR?

>> No.15804135

>>15803221
Why do you only read hard books

>> No.15804143

>>15804098
yeah, but I spent twice as long on PoS as I did on the others. I don't feel that I had enough prep for Heidegger and that any "understanding" I had of him afterwards was superficial

>> No.15804148

>>15804046
>avoiding kant this badly

>> No.15804157

>>15804143
>I spent twice as long on PoS as I did on the others.
How much time did you spend? I haven't read Heidegger yet but I didn't think you need much more prepping than Kant and Hegel. I guess Husserl?

>> No.15804205

>>15804094
that's right I am. He's boring.

>> No.15804211

>>15801711
Here’s your (You)

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>>15801387

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>>15801387
;)

>> No.15804424

>>15804216
>>15804217
>XD

>> No.15804469

>>15804217
I have readen it, it's actually a good book to introduce children/teenagers to the general themes, perspectives and ideas of philosophy. Of course it's simplified a lot but you can't expect someone who starts in something to be an expert from the get go

>> No.15804473

>>15804469
*I have read it
Damn

>> No.15804588

>>15801387
About 35 most notably, a critique on pure reason and Tractatus logico philosophicus

>> No.15804693

Do full wiki articles count?

>> No.15804756

>>15804588
List them anon :3

>> No.15804824

>>15801387
>Xenophane and Plato's stories of Socrates
>The republic
>de anima
>ethics
>epitectus
>Kant's critique
>Hegel's phenomenology
>The world as will and representation vol. 1
>Kierkegaard's Sickness unto death
>Stirner ego and its own
>Cioran's the problem with existence
>Good and evil
>Thus spoke Zarathustra
>Will to power
>Whitehead's process
>Like 3 from Baudrillard

>> No.15804831

>>15804824
I forgot Descartes Meditations
Discipline and Punishment / history of sexuality from Foucault
Homo Sacer by Agamben

>> No.15804832

>>15804824
Pretty based anon. What are you reading next? What about Wittgenstein and Heidegger?

>> No.15804835

Foucault's lectures on governmentality and genealogy of knowledge. Rousseau's Social Contract. I think that's it

>> No.15805111

>>15804832
Oh I read Wittgenstein on certainty too. Uhhhh haven't. I've read Jorjani and might do Schelling of Heidegger? Tbd if I'll be alive

>> No.15805343

Descartes - Discourse on Method, Meditations
Nietzsche - On the Genealogy of Morality
Kierkegaard - Philosophical Fragments
Plato - Republic, Symposium, a few other smaller dialogues (like Protagoras and the Apology)
Kant - Groundwork on the Metaphysics of Morals
Hume - Enquiry Concerning Human Understanding (forget if thats the title or not)
Boethius - consolation of philosophy
John Stuart Mill - On Liberty

Pretty much all the Babby's First philosophy shit

>> No.15805425

>>15804079
You are a faggot if you think that's impossible

>> No.15805558

>tfw /lit/ doesn't read philosophy
>tfw fell for the /lit/ meme thinking other people read too
>tfw it was all a lie

>> No.15805594

>>15805558
isn't that a good thing?
>Oh no, I got memed into reading all these insightful books

>> No.15805606

>>15805594
Yeah but it also means I shouldn't expect meaningful discussions here

>> No.15805658

Beyond good and evil
Dialogues concerning natural religion
Wisdom of life
Leviathan
Genealogy of morals
Antichrist
Ego and its own
Myth of sisyphus
The run (philosophy of running)
Birth of a tragedy
(list not including philosoohical fiction books I've read)
Currently reading anti-oedipus

>> No.15805676

>>15805658
>Leviathan
Big brain over here. Speak to us about Hobbes, big brain anon.

>> No.15805691

>>15801395
I bet you're one of those retarded women who started with Nietzsche in college and didn't start with the Greeks.

>> No.15805698

>>15804824
>>15804831
Anti-Oedipus, birth of tragedy, Leviathan, Zizek's Sex and the absolute and the puppet and the master too

>> No.15805733

>>15805676
Hobbes' entire political philosophy falls down to his retarded and outdated view on humans

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>>15801395
I've been noticing a lot of Butters resentment on this board for a while now.

She comes off as pretty unlikable, and I can't stand her, but aren't the constant jabs a bit too much? Let's all be friends.

>> No.15805746

>>15805733
How so?

>> No.15805766

>>15805658
>Leviathan
What does he talk about in the last 2 parts with Christianity? I didn't read that

>> No.15805784

>>15804073
Actually no. They’re con is that they’ve been born with female brains or spirit. It’s actually rather theistic to be trans. These guys are all about dispelling such spooks, so fuck off, amateur.

>>15805691
Nope. Not even a philosophy student. This thread is asking what you’ve read cover to cover.

>> No.15805831

Heraclitus' Fragments
Plato's Republic
Timaeus
Sophist
Parmenides
Aristotles's Metaphysics
Organon
Descartes' Rules for the Direction of the Mind
Discourse on Method
Spinoza's Ethics
Leibniz's Discourse on Metaphysics
Monadology
Hume's Enquiry Concerning Human Understanding
Of the Standard of Taste
Kant's Universal Natural History and Theory of the Heavens
Prolegomena to Any Future Metaphysics
Critique of Pure Reason
Groundworks for the Metaphysics of Morals
Critique of Judgement
Fichte's Wissenschaftslehre
Schelling's Werke (his early writing's, 4 shorter books)
Hegel's Aesthetics 2 (once picked it up in a library, I was interested, almost had a mental breakdown, fun times)
Kierkegaard's Repetitions
Nietzsche's Twilight of the Idols
On the Genealogy of Morals
Beyond Good and Evil
Thus Spoke Zarathustra
(Arsović's Trag Đavoljih kopita, but I don't think you care about that one)

Currently reading Hegel's Difference Between Fichte's and Schelling's System of Philosophy

>> No.15805884

only the ones I read 100%:
Descarte's Discourse on Method
Descarte's Meditations on First Philosophy
Locke's Two Treatises of Government
Hobbes' Leviathan
Rousseau's Discourse on the Origin of Inequality
Montesquieie's Selected Political Writings
Montesquieie's Spirit of The Law
Locke's Essay Concerning Human Understanding (yes, the whole thing)
Leibniz's Discourse on Metaphysics
Rousseau's The Social Contract
Beccaria's On Crimes and Punishments
Paine's Rights of Man, Common Sense, etc
Leibniz's Monadology
Leibniz's New Essays on Human Understanding (a favorite)
Spinoza's Ethics
Berkely's Treatise
Hume's Enquiry Concerning Human Understanding
Hume's Enquiry Concerning Principle of Morals
Kant's Logic lectures
Baumgarten's Metaphysics
Kant's Lectures on Metaphysics
Kant's Prolegomena
Kant's Perpetual Peace (and other Essays)
Kant's Critique of Pure Reason
Kant's Groundwork of the Metaphysics of Morals
Humboldt's The Limits of State Action
Hamann's writings
Kant's Critique of Practical Reason
Reinhold's Essay on New Theory of Representation
Goethe's Metamorphosis of Plants
Maimon's Essay on Transcendental Philosophy
Burke's Enquiry into the Sublime
Kant's Critique of Judgement
Fichte's Attempt at a Critique of Revelation
Fichte's Wissenschaftslehre
Maimon's Essay towards a new logic or theory of thought
Fichte's Early Philosophical Writings
Schiller's On the Aesthetic Education of Man
Fichte's Foundations of the Entire Science of Knowledge
Fichte's Foundations of Natural Right
Schelling's Ideas Concerning a Philosophy of Nature
Fichte's The System of Ethics
Fichte's The Vocation of Man
Schelling's System of Transcendental Idealism
Hegel's The Difference Between Fichte's and Schelling's System of Philosophy
Kant's Religion within The Bounds of Pure Reason
Hegel's The Phenomenology of Spirit
Schelling's Clara
Schelling's Philosophical Inquiries into the Nature of Human Freedom
Hegel's Science of Logic
Schelling's The Ages of the World

currently reading Hegel's phil of right and then I'll be reading Schopenhauer I guess. what am I in for?

>> No.15805920

215
now i see it's true lit doesnt read

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>>15805831
nice, very similar to mine ( >>15805884 )
when you tackle PoS my only recommendation is to read Harris's Hegel's Ladder with it, avoid other secondary like the plague until you're done, and use Pinkard's new translation (I switched to this about 1/4ths in and wished I had earlier)

>> No.15806092

>>15801387
In all honesty:

- A History of Western Philosophy (Russell)
- Wisdom of the West (Russell)
- The Problems of Phil. (Russell)
- On Education (Russell)
- That short book by Thomas Nagel
- Philosophy: The Basics (Warburton)
- Colin McGinn's autobiography (yeah)
- Core Questions in Philosophy (Elliot Sober)
- Conversations with John Searle (not sure that I read it all, but certainly most of it)
- Ethics: An Introduction (Simon Blackburn)
- James Rachel's introduction to moral philosophy
- Pigliucci: Answers for Aristotle
- All of Ezra Pound's translations of Confucius
- A huge survey of the Pre-Socratics, by Raven and Schofield, which I think contains all the surviving fragments
- Plato: the Apology, the Symposium, Teetetus, Eutiphron, Criton, Fedrus, Philebus, The Republic, Ion
- Aristotle: Politics, Nicomachean Ethics, the Poetics
- Epicurus: one letter, don't know if it counts
- Epictetus: Enchyridion
- Machiavelli: Il Principe, Opere Minori
- Descartes: Meditations
- Hume: his dialogue on Religion
- Kant: Groundwork for the Metaphysics of Morals
- Schopenhauer: Essays & Aphorisms
- Nietzsche: Beyond Good and Evil
- JS Mill: On Liberty
- Marx: the Manifesto
- Chomsky: a short book on the nature of the state, many years ago; also three political books, but it's not really philosophy
- Merquior: Marxismo Ocidental
- Merquior: Liberalismo Antigo e Moderno
- Nassim Taleb: the whole non-technical Incerto
- Scruton: Thinkers of the New Left
- Scruton: How to be a Conservative
- Scruton: Conservatism
- Steiner: No Passion Spent
- Steiner: Nostalgia for the Absolute
- James Rachel's book on Euthanasia
- Hans Kelsen: Pure Theory of Law, if it counts
- Diderot: Le Neveu de Rameau, if it counts
- Sartre: La Nausée, if it counts
- Koestler: Darkness at Noon, if it counts

I've read big chunks of: Giovanni Reale's Storia Della Filosofia (first volume), John Searle's Mind: An Introduction, Newton-Smith's Intro to Formal Logic, Russell's Why I am not a Christian, and some others that I don't care to remember.

I haven't read half as much as I should have. My list of history books would be even more laughable. I read too much literature compared to other subjects; but then again I am a poet, not a philosopher, so my choices are not entirely unjustified.

>> No.15806107

>>15805920
oh i did not see 'philosophy' i thought it was books in general

>> No.15806122

>>15801387
>The Apology of Socrates
>Thus Spoke Zarathustra
>Beyond Good and Evil
>The Myth of Sisyphus
>Existentialism Is a Humanism
>On the Death of Rebellion
>The World as Will and Idea

>> No.15806151

>>15805950
>read Harris's Hegel's Ladder with it, avoid other secondary like the plague until you're done
Not him but why?

>> No.15806158

>>15805884
Why nothing before early modern philosophy?

>> No.15806173

>>15806092
>>15805884
>>15805831
Have you ever heard of the 20th century?

>> No.15806200

>>15806173
Most of what I've read is leading up to Hegel. I'm also very interested in Bataille and other French transgressive philosophers.

>> No.15806221

>>15806173
My list has quite a few 20th century authors: Russell, Searle, Rachels, Blackburn, formal logic, Kelsen, Scruton, Chomsky, Steiner. It even has some three or four books from the last few decades.

Also, I forgot two:

Francis Bacon: The Essays
Warburton: The Art Question

And maybe some others that I cannot remember...

>> No.15806227

>>15805950
>read Harris's Hegel's Ladder with it, avoid other secondary like the plague until you're done
Yes him. I've gotten that one recommended the most, so I'll listen to the voice of the people, thank you. I'm not reading an English translation (nor German, sadly), but I'll trust my translator.

>> No.15806241

>>15801387

Signet Classic's "Great Dialogues of Plao" translated by W.H.D. Rouse, Sun Tzu' "Art of War," Laozi's "The Tao Teh King, or the Tao and It's Characteristics."

Sun Tzu's "Art of War" and Laozi's "The Tao Teh King" I both read in e-book format. "Great Dialogue's of Plato" I have as a paperback book. I also have a paperback version of "The Art of War" which is a different translation, but it has commentaries on the work and I have not finished the whole paperback book.

>> No.15806242

>>15801387
An enquiry
Being no one
Consciousness explained
On the genealogy
Myth of sisyphus
Better never to have been
Conspiracy against the human race (idk if counts)
Why does the world exist (idk if counts)

>> No.15806250

why would you read anything other than primary texts cover to cover? you dont philosophy if you just do readers and extracts, lol.

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>>15806151
Everyone wants to co-opt Hegel into their positions. There's the "Hegel made NO metaphysical claims!" camp, the Marxist bent camp, weird analytic interpretations, highly religious interpretations, etc
Even Giovanni... who I admire as a flawless translator and brilliant Hegel scholar, has strong biases.

Harris has the strongest understanding of Hegel's influences and intellectual growth through every period. See his two definitive works on Hegel's history "Hegel's Development" (Towards the Sunlight // Night Thoughts). Harris was the only secondary that I read that did not "interpret" anything outside of Hegel's own time and history. Every clarification of Hegel's positions were based on Hegel's other lectures, works, and the positions of people close to Hegel. If you want to see how Hegel has influenced other people, read Kojeve or whoever, but if you want to know Hegel as Hegel you must stay with Harris.

just the opinion of a dabbler btw, I'm not an academic

>> No.15806265

>>15802769

I forgot about Machiavelli's "The Prince" which I have read along with these >>15806241.

The version of "The Prince" that I have is also a Signet Classics edition and was translated by Luigi Ricci. I've read "The Prince" repeatedly yet I still fail at life.

>> No.15806286

>>15806250
Philosophy has to do with arguments, not necessarily with reading books. I don't need to read Gettier's original article, nor Plato's Theaetetus (though I've read both) in order to argue about the definition of knowledge. Nor do I need to have read the whole Summa to discuss Aquinas's arguments for the existence of God...

>> No.15806290

>>15806158
I didn't read every Plato dialogue so I couldn't list the complete works and I wasn't going to list every dialogue I did read. I read some Aristotle but didn't commit to reading them 100%. Other than that I've just read pieces of stoics, some Augustine..

>>15806173
yeah I'll get there...

>> No.15806298

>>15806286
That you just breezily trust received impressions of material you could go engage with directly vindicates that you do not philosophy

>> No.15806319

>>15806250
You don't read cover-to-cover in university

>> No.15806339

>>15806319
I know, when I learned this it stunned me. The academy truly is garbage

>> No.15806350

>>15806092
>>15805884
>>15805831
How long did it take you? Some of these books feel like they'd take months to read in their entirety.

>> No.15806378

>>15801387
-Fragments by Heraclitus
-Republic by Plato
-Organon by Plato
-Protagoras by Plato
-Gorgias by Plato
-Apology by Plato
-Phaedo by Plato
-Phaedrus by Plato
-On the Heavens by Aristotle
-De rerum natura by Lucretius
-Confessions by Augustine
-Pensees by Pascal
-On the Duty of Civil Disobedience by Thoreau
-The Ego and its own by Stirner (funny to see how many people in this thread got memed btw)
-Fear and Trembling by Kierkegaard
-The Sickness unto death by Kierkegaard
-The Gay Science by Nee-Chee
-The Communist Manifesto by Marx and Engels
-Laughter by Bergson
-Tractatus logico-philosophicus by Wittgenstein
-The Work of Art in the Age of Mechanical Reproduction by Benjamin
-Gravity and Grace by Weil
-The Iliad or Poem of Force by Weil
-Oppression and Liberty by Weil
-The Myth of Sisyphus by Camus
-The Rebel by Camus
-Der Friede by Jünger
-La France contre les robots by Bernanos
-Die Schuldfrage by Jaspers
-Einführung in die Philosophie by Jaspers
-The Human Condition by Arendt
-Natural Right and History by Strauss
-Mythologies by Barthes
-The Poetics of Space by Bachelard
-Discipline and Punish by Foucault
-Le Point d'explosion de l'idéologie en Chine by Debord
-La Société du spectacle by Debord
-In girum imus nocte et consumimur igni by Debord
-Sur les cimes du désespoir by Cioran
-La Tentation d'exister by Cioran
-The Imperative of Responsibility: In Search of Ethics for the Technological Age by Hans Jonas
-The Future of Human Nature by Habermas
-Beyond Nature and Culture by Descola

I also read chunks of various sizes from other books/philosophers. I will soon begin The Need for Roots by Simone Weil and then I'm headed towards Heidegger

>> No.15806420

>>15806378
>-The Ego and its own by Stirner (funny to see how many people in this thread got memed btw)
I stopped reading after several pages becausue it felt like I was reading a midwit

>> No.15806436

>>15806298
To philosophize means to propose, defend or attack ideas, using arguments, that deal with philosophical questions. You don't need to have read the actual philosophers - although I do read them, and will keep reading them, for fun and historical interest, as well as for learning that which might have escaped the commentators.
But you really don't need to directly read Aquinas's, Anselmus's and Descartes's arguments for the existence of God in order to engage with them from a logical perspective, and I say this as someone who has read all of these arguments in the actual text.

Now, if you want to talk about, say, Platonism, or Aristotelian ethics, then you do need to read the philosophers, preferentially in the original language. But these will be issues of interpretation, and not purely philosophical questions such as the existence of God or the definition of knowledge.

>>15806350
It really depends. I try to read at least 100 pages a day, but it can vary - Mill, for instance, is much easier than Kant or Plato; Machiavelli is extremely concise, so reading one page feels like reading two, while Bertrand Russell can be quite didactic and explanatory. It varies.

>> No.15806438

>>15801387
Republic, Euthyphro, Critias, Laws, Symposium, Apology, Crito, Meno, Phaedo, Gorgias, Phaedrus, Theaetetus, Aristotle's Politics, Augustine's Confessions, Rousseau's Social Contract, The Prince, Kant's Critique of Practical Reason, Birth of Tragedy, On the Genealogy of Morals, Beyond Good and Evil, Thus Spake Zarathustra, Will to Power and The Concept of the Political. Also Trouble in Paradise, Living in the End Times, Reflections on the Revolution in France, Persecution and the Art of Writing and City and Man, but not everyone would consider those to really be books of philosophy as such.

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I thought reading philosophy was a meme?

>> No.15806470

>>15806420
Well I won't blame you for it. I was young and naive, just discovered /lit/ and philosophy, I kept hopping it would become good but turns out the introduction is the only enjoyable bit.

>> No.15806473

Plato's Complete Works
Kant's Critique of Pure Reason
Heidegger's Being and Time
Wittgenstein's Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus
Hobbes' Leviathan
and others

>> No.15806478

The Republic and a few other dialogues, Descartes' Meditations, around 3/4 of what Simone Weil wrote and lot of Alain. Also some small books like Pascal's the geometric Spirit or some of the smaller Nietzsches

>> No.15806484

>>15805734
its cause shes a namefag with very particular veiws. destroy the name destroy the hate.

>> No.15806498

>>15806478
also quite a lot of Emerson essays now that I think of it

>> No.15806538

>>15806350
>>15805884 here
I started reading philosophy in 2015, so about five years.

>>15806436
but this is stupid. It's like trying to play chess without having studied anything about it other than the rules. We've been playing chess for 1,000 years and in that time we have advanced our understanding of it from one generation to the next. You can play it and you can have fun but you can't really play it with someone who has skimmed even the most elementary beginners book in Chess strategy. Why bother "proposing, defending, attacking ideas, using arguments dealing with philosophical questions" when you have no idea what arguments have been used before, how we have advanced past your most infantile base observations which will eternally come up in the head of every human adolescence? How do you think you will advance one iota past 300 BC thought?

>>15806452
it is a meme. we are all just reading it ironically. it's a big joke on ourselves.

>> No.15806582

Imagine someone going on to you about Melville's prose or the unconventional structure of Moby Dick and then you found out he just read SparkNotes and was repeating the received impression of the person(s) who digested that information like a mother bird vomiting into the mouth of its child. It would be like you were suckered into a conversation with a pseud under false pretenses. Like you were in a sense, raped by pseuds. That's what academic philosophy is. Pseud rapists dressed up in precomputed factoids they download out of Readers and Anthologies.

>> No.15806597

>>15806582
But fiction has the element of prose that is to be appreciated while philosophy only revolves around ideas and their relations.

>> No.15806628

>>15806350
Let's say two years for >>15805831 while reading fiction on the side.

>> No.15806653

>>15806538
>Why bother "proposing, defending, attacking ideas, using arguments dealing with philosophical questions" when you have no idea what arguments have been used before, how we have advanced past your most infantile base observations which will eternally come up in the head of every human adolescence?

The point is to debate philosophical ideas.
You can read histories of philosophy to have a rough grasp of what has been said, and contemporary articles to find out what is being said.

>>15806582
Good argument if you wish to discuss, say, Platonism.

But that's Platonism, not the actual philosophical arguments.

>> No.15806722

>>15806653
Also, if you wish to discuss the philosophers and not just the arguments, it's absolutely pointless to not read them in the original, because you will then have to rely on the translation, which in the end is almost the same as relying on commentators. Anyone who's read the same text both in the original and in a translation will be able to you this. There's just too much that's left for the translator to interpret.

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15806857

Aurelius' Meditations was the first text I read of my own volition, and I finished it in June. last week I read Tao Te Ching and today I started the Bhagavad Gita. I feel as though I am beginning to discover something that I was looking for.

>> No.15806901

>>15805676
Hobbes BTFO's democracy once and for all, there are no counter-arguments against his arguments against democracy

>> No.15806919

Hume - An Enquiry Concerning Human Understanding
JS Mill - On Liberty, Utilitarianism
Sun Tzu - The Art of War
Plato - The Republic, The Trial and Death of Socrates: Four Dialogues
Miyamoto Musashi - A Book of Five Rings
John Locke - Two Treatises of Government
Thomas Hobbes - Leviathan
Thomas Pain - The Age of Reason, The Rights of Man, Common Sense
Niccolo Machiavelli - The Prince
Marcus Aurelius - Meditations
Viktor Frankl - Man's Search for Meaning, Man's Search for Ultimate Meaning
CS Lewis - The Great Divorce
Epictetus - The Art of Living
Rousseau - The Social Contract
Karl Marx - The Communist Manifesto
Friedrich Nietzche - Beyond Good and Evil, Thus Spake Zarathustra
Dale Carnegie - How to Win Friends and Influence People
Adam Smith - The Wealth of Nations (I know it's on economics but it influenced my personal philosophy so it ranks)

>> No.15806924

>>15806901
Actually Hobbes himself thought there is no definite truth to be reached by reason, so you're probably retarded

>> No.15806953

>>15806901
Hobbes also believed in the causal chain of determinism which is another truth people don't like to confront

>> No.15806964

>>15806953
Because there's nothing to confront just like Hobbes chose not to confront it and redefine 'free will' in this framework

>> No.15806978

>>15806857
Nice

>> No.15806995

>>15806857
Try reading philosophy sometime maybe you'll like it

>> No.15807035

>>15806653
You don't know the "actual philosophical arguments" because you haven't read them. You've only swallowed the predigested vomit of the commentators you ironically hope to surpass.

>> No.15807066

>>15807035
I've posted a the books I've read. I have read Plato, Aristotle, Machiavelli, Descartes, Hume, Kant, and others.
Anyway, talking to you is useless. You seem to think that philosophy is a dead language.

And I don't wish to "surpass" the commentators. My main interest is in poetry, not in philosophy.

>> No.15807112

>>15805884
Lol what happened there? Why the obsession with German idealism? Are you doing your PhD on it or what's the point?

>> No.15807151

>>15801395
thought as much

>> No.15807293

>>15807112
I'm just interested in the history of our ideas, and the period of german idealism has played a part, so I'm reading it. Not in school, just reading philosophy as a bit

>> No.15807516

>>15805784
>They’re con is that they’ve been born with female brains or spirit.
Butterfly please stop drinking and get a job

>> No.15807678

>>15801387
The Gay Science, Ecce Homo, Genealogy of Moral, Beyond Good and Evil, Thus Spoke Zarathustra, Antichrist, Twilight of the Idols, Human all too Human, Existentialism is a Humanism.
Couldn't help but skim through some of Birth of Tragedy. Now I'm battling with Being and Nothingness and the first part of World as Will and Representation, but intend on reading them cover to cover, of course.

>> No.15807694

>>15807678
Oh, also, Meditations and Myth of Sisyphus.

>> No.15808501

>>15807293
based and germanpilled

>> No.15808509

Meditations
Republic
Nicomah's ethics
Genealogy of Morals
The Stranger

>> No.15808534

>>15801395
Die roastie

>> No.15808677

>>15801387
Genealogy of Morals, Critique of Pure Reason, Either/Or, The Republic, The Symposium, The Poetics, An Enquiry Concerning Human Understanding, Twilight of the Idols, Thus Spoke Zarathustra, Philosophical Fragments, Being and Time, The Cyropaedia, The Meditations (Aurelius), Praise of Folly, Anti Christ, Birth of Tragedy, Pensees, The Essence of Religion, Set Theory Logic and their Limitations, The Confessions, De Mendacium, Meno, Groundwork of the Metaphysics of Morals, The Prolegomena, The Meditations (Descartes), De rerum natura, The Dialogues (Berkley). Just to name a few.

>> No.15808700

>>15805691
Those are the WORST

>> No.15808715

>>15806173
>20th ce
all trash

>> No.15808733

>>15801387
So far:

Kant's Critique of Pure Reason, Groundwork
Plato - Republic, Phaedo, Phaedrus, Symposium, Gorgias, Meno, Apology, Crito, Euthyphro
Aristotle - Nicomachean Ethics, Physics, Politics
Augustine - Confessions
Nietzsche - On the Genealogy of Morals, The Birth of Tragedy

>> No.15809491

Plato's The Republic
Marx's Communist Manifesto, Capital Vol. 1
Heidegger Being and Time
Tiles' Philosophy of Set Theory
Frege's Begriffschrift, Grundlagen, Grundgezetse, Sense and Reference & various letters
Wittgenstein's Tractatus and PI
Godel's On Formally Undecidable Propositions of Principia Mathematica and Related Systems
Ayer's Language, Truth & Logic
Hofstadter's Godel Escher Bach, I Am a Strange Loop
Locke's An Essay Concerning Human Understanding
Perry's Personal Identity
Camus' The stranger (does that count?)

Rate me

>> No.15809524

>>15809491
Two of these books are any good and you didn't understand the second one

>> No.15809565

>>15809524
Don't be shy, which ones

>> No.15809686

>>15808677
Pretty based

>> No.15809716

>>15809491
>Rate me
Not enough Germans, not enough greeks, nothing inbetween Plato and Locke is pretty embarrassing

>> No.15809757

>>15809716
>Not enough Germans
Heidegger, Frege, Wittgenstein, Godel. That's like a third of the list.
>not enough greeks
tru
>nothing inbetween Plato and Locke is pretty embarrassing
I've read plenty of essays and sections of books but no whole books cover to cover.

>> No.15809791

>>15809757
>That's like a third of the list.
Still not enough

>> No.15809799

>>15809491
>Rate me
Analytic student who enjoys doing philosophy more than reading it.

>> No.15809816
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15809816

>>15807516
>>15805784 (You)
>>They’re
Damn.

>> No.15809859

>>15805734
Please stop giving her attention and maybe she’ll stop posting. Thanks!

>> No.15809876

>>15806484
>>15805734
>>15809859
Fuck off retarded samefag no one cares about your shit stop attention whoring the thread you piece of shit

>> No.15809890

To be fair, 99% of philosophy is written on a 3rd grade level and impossible to read. I'm mean seriously, how many run-on sentences can you make? And then we claim these people were smart? LOL I mean, whatever man

>> No.15809897

>>15809816
stop posting from your fucking phone and you wouldn't make these mistakes newfag

>> No.15809929

>>15809491
What about Capital Vol 2? Did you grow out of communism by the end of it?

>> No.15810020

* Works = not always _all_ works but cba to list

Laozi 601 bc - Tao Te Ching
Various 580 bc - The First Phiosophers
Confusius 551 bc - Analects
Tzu 545 bc - Art Of War
Thucydides 465 bc - Peloponnesian War
Euclid 440 bc - Elements
Plato 429 bc - Works
Aristotle 384 bc - Works
Epicurus 341 bc - Essentials
Seneca 4 bc - Letters From A Stoic
Sextus Empiricus 160 ad - Outlines Of Skepticism
Diogenes Laertius 180 ad - Lives And Opinions Of Eminent Philosophers
Plotinus 204 ad - Enneads
Augustis 354 ad - Confessions, City Of God
Machiavelli 1469 - The Prince
Montaigne 1533 - Essays
Bacon 1561 - Essays
Hobbes 1588 - Leviathan
Descartes 1596 - Philosophical Writings
Locke 1632 - Two Treatises On Government
Spinoza 1632 - Ethics
Leibniz 1646 - Philosophical Essays
Berkely 1685 - Philosophical Writings
Montesquieu 1689 - Spirit Of The Laws
Hume 1711 - Enquiry Concerning Human Understanding
Rousseau 1712 - Social Contract
Richard Price 1723 - Political Writings
Adam Smith 1723 - Theory Of Moral Sentiments, Wealth Of Nations
Kant 1724 - Works
Paine 1737 - Political Writings
Fitche 1762 - Vocation of Man, Introductions To Wissenschaftslehre, Foundations Of Natural Right, System Of Ethics
Hegel 1770 - Works
Schelling 1775 - Works
Friedrich Schiller 1759 - On the Aesthetic Education of Man
Schoppenhaur 1788 - Works
Waldo Emerson 1803- Essential Writings
Tocqueville 1805 - Democracy in America
Mill 1806 - Utilitarianism, On Libery
Stirner 1806 - The Ego And It's Own
Kierkegaard 1813 - Either Or
Nietzsche 1844 - Works
Bergson 1859 - Time And Free Will, Matter And Memory
Whitehead 1861 - Aims Of Education, Adventure Of Ideas, Science And The Modern World, , Process And Reality
Russell 1872 - History Of Western Philosophy, Marriage And Morals
Guenon 1886 - Introduction To The Study Of Hindu Doctrines
Schrodinger 1887 -Works
Pessoa 1888 - The Book Of Disquiet
Wittgenstein 1889 - Tractatus logico-philosophicus, Philosophical Investigations
Heidegger 1889 - Being And Time

>> No.15810028

>ctrl+f derrida
>0 results
Wtf?

>> No.15810078

>mfw /lit/ gave rise to the last generation that still binge reads dozens of philosophy books cover-to-cover

>> No.15810206

>>15804148
I'm working my way to him but first I want to get through all of Locke, Berkeley and Hume.

>> No.15810233

>>15810028
yes anon, the thread's criteria is "cover to cover"

>> No.15810655

>>15810078
or possibly the first in a long time, depending on how you look at it

>> No.15810829

>>15809897
It’s a pad. Where I read muh books.
Wouldn’t use my phone for this kind of browsing

>> No.15810863

>>15810020
Good list. Is Waldo Emerson worth it?

>> No.15810893

>>15809929
I take 6 or 7 classes a semester so I haven't finished reading it. I'm not a communist.

>> No.15811739

>>15801417
who's ethics? Spinoza's?

>> No.15811839

>>15806265
I've only read it once, I've been meaning to reread it but I let this bitch borrow my copy a year and a half ago and she still hasn't given it back.

>> No.15812066

>>15801387
Most of Plato. Other than that, none. Maybe only some Nietzsche

>> No.15812092

>>15801711
Models is actually based tbf

>> No.15812559

Thus Spake Zarathustra
Meditations
The Republic
Tao Te Ching
Art of War
Prince

>> No.15813109

>>15805784
>They’re con is that they’ve been born with female brains or spirit.

What does this even mean?

>> No.15813147

The Republic
Beyond Good and Evil
An Enquiry Concerning Human Understanding
Aphorisms on the Wisdom of Life

planning on reading a critique of pure reason,thus spake zarathustra and the world as will and representation

>> No.15813159

>all this nietzche
Cringe

>> No.15813438

who reads the will to power cover to cover?

It is strictly pooping literature

>> No.15813586

>>15801387
Plato: Republic, Symposium
Aristotle: Poetics, Nicomachean Ethics
Epictetus: Enchiridion
Lucretius: On the Nature of Things
Marcus Aurelius: Meditations
Plotinus: Enneads
Various other fragments and surviving pieces by Hellenistic and pre-Socratic philosophers
Augustine: City of God, On the Trinity, Confessions, On the Free Choice of the Will
Dante: De Monarchia
Marsilius of Padua: Defensor Pacis
Hobbes: Leviathan
Descartes: Meditations, Discourse on Method
Hume: Enquiry Concerning Human Understanding
Kant: Critique of Pure Reason, Critique of Jugment
Locke: Essay Concerning Human Understanding
Berkeley: Dialogues, Principles of Human Knowledge, Alciphron, De Motu
Kierkegaard: Either/Or, Fear and Trembling, Works of Love, Sickness Unto Death, Concept of Anxiety, Philosophical Crumbs, Repetition, Concluding Unscientific Postscript, Stages on Life's Way
Nietzsche: Ecce Homo, Thus Spoke Zarathustra
William James: Varieties of Religious Experience
Russell: Problems of Philosophy, Why I am not a Christian
Wittgenstein: Tractatus, Philosophical Investigations
Heidegger: Being and Time, Basic Writings
Simone Weil: Gravity and Grace
Carnap: Meaning and Necessity
Scanlon: What We Owe to Each Other
Haybron: Pursuit of Unhappiness
Lynne Rudder Baker: Persons and Bodies

Thats it off the top of my head. There are some border cases, like Spengler, or explicit theology, or secondary/commentary books that aren't mentioned, but these are the big ones anyway.

>> No.15813593

>>15813586
Oh yeah I forgot about Sartre and Camus but who cares

>> No.15813640

>>15813586
Pretty based. Which ones did you enjoy the most?

>> No.15813722

>>15813640
Plotinus, Heidegger, Wittgenstein, and Kierkegaard. Each of them influenced my thinking in one way or another, and in retrospect, are watershed moments.

>> No.15814420

>>15810233
So?

>> No.15814429

>>15813586
Why no Hegel?

>> No.15814959

>>15814429
I was being strict about the "cover to cover" rule. I've read Hegel, but nothing in its entirety. One day I'll get around to tackling the Phenomenology of Spirit but I've been so busy with other projects I just can't switch my head in that direction right now.

>> No.15815032

Im currently struggling my way through the Nicomachean ethics. Any tips for a novice such as my self when it comes to getting into philosophy?

>> No.15815047

>>15815032
keep struggling

>> No.15815123

>>15815047
Thanks, il do that. Chances are this will take me ages. Im not the most wellread fellow.

>> No.15815166

>>15815123
it's quite a tedious book, but that's aristotle for you

>> No.15815197

>>15815166
does it get "easier"? or are all philosophers like this.

>> No.15815220

>>15815197
it really depends of the philosopher and how much knowledgeable you are with him beforehand. So sometimes yes, sometimes no (mostly yes tho since the more you read the more you are capable of understanding quickly what's being said).

>> No.15815230

>>15815197
Plato is much easier

>> No.15815271

>>15815230
Thanks, il have a look at his stuff. Im sure i can find a PDF. Got any particular translation in mind?

>> No.15815315

>>15815271
Just read anything dude http://classics.mit.edu/Browse/index-Plato.html

>> No.15815327

>>15815315
Having a look at the republic right now.

>> No.15815989

I'm a newbie on this site and i've saved this thread here https://archive.vn/id9yx

Is there any other method u guys use to do that?

>> No.15816012

>>15815989
warosu.org/lit

>> No.15816220

>>15815989
already archived here:
>>/lit/thread/S15801387

>> No.15816250

>>15801387
The Republic, the prince, on politics by andrew ryan, the gita, the political writings of john adams, the political writings of james madison, the federalist papers, common sense and the rights of man by thomas paine, the social contract, the communist manifesto, on liberty and the trial of socrates. All by reading 1 hour a day or 25 pages a day over the past year and a half. I read slow and I took many breaks in this habit but slowly and steadily I've read a lot more than I thought possible. When I tried reading a lot in a short time I got discouraged and gave up so I think that slow and steady is better for most people.