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Does today's intelligentsia really take The Republic seriously? Like... seriously?

>> No.15788012

>>15788005
brainlets being brainlets. the republic is allegory. read Laws inbred morons and stop pretending you understood something after watching a 4 minute school of life video on the subject.

>> No.15788022

>>15788012
Allegory of what? Do you know what the word allegory means?

>> No.15788024

>>15788005
But like dude, some of Socrates ideas are super problematic, when he suggested euthanising babies born out of wedlock and a selective breeding system I was like YIKES! Did Plato not realise his ideas wouldn’t be compatible with 21st century Western neoliberal values? Can’t believe people actually call this guy the father of philosophy.

>> No.15788026

>>15788012
Cope libtard. The Republic is the ideal state, and modern liberal interpretations are just dogmatic

>> No.15788045

>>15788012
You're not as smart as you think you are for giving the standard rebbit reply https://www.reddit.com/r/askphilosophy/comments/hlxapt/is_platos_republic_seriously_defended_by/

>> No.15788066
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15788066

>>15788045
>>15788005
Go back.

>> No.15788076

>>15788066
Just like in history, it is good to learn from multiple sources.

>> No.15788081

>>15788005
>reddit screencap
Why the fuck are you even dignifying that brain far
>>15788022
>Allegory of what?
The faculties of the human soul

>> No.15788084

>>15788081
*brain fart

>> No.15788087

>>15788005
Considering it was written in the wake of the tyrannical rule of Athens and a total breakdown of its politics not long before (within Socrates' lifetime) there's definite subtext. Shame there are idiots like >>15788024

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>>15788045
>You're not as smart as you think you are
Yes i am.
>for giving the standard rebbit
quick I heard reddit saying water is good for humans. that means in reality it actually turns you into a tranny.

>> No.15788101

>>15788095
>it actually turns you into a tranny
This but unironically.

>> No.15788106

>>15788095
>quick I heard reddit saying water is good for humans. that means in reality it actually turns you into a tranny.
But it does

>> No.15788112

>>15788106
>>15788101
exactly. stop drinking water

>> No.15788114

>>15788087
Did you say The Republic was written within Socrates' lifetime or wtf are you saying

>> No.15788116

>>15788114
>>15788087
Ah sorry you said Athens suffered a breakdown of politics during Socrates life. Yeah duh that's why he was killed

>> No.15788119

>>15788095
>every nigger breathes air
>you breathe air
>/.*. you are a nigger

>> No.15788133

>>15788005
Maybe you should go back to plebbit, with the retards.
Esoterica is far beyond your paygrade.

>> No.15788136

>>15788119
QED

>> No.15788148

>>15788116
It probably influenced why he was killed and apparently came up in his trial, but it's a separate incident. Essentially Socrates stayed in Athens during the rule of the 30 tyrants and that was considered a black mark against him in some circles, even if he had no real involvement in their ruling and even worked against them.

>> No.15788281

>>15788005
And yet Plato proved Marx wrong by showing that a Utopia needs the leadership of completely Utopic men. Not only that, but he also showed that even the most perfect Utopia will eventually degenerate.

Two things which, if Marxists had grasped them, would have avoided the biggest catastrophes of the 20th century, for they would have shifted their focus to the changing of human nature via eugenics and musico-physical education, leaving the changing of society for much later.

>> No.15788301

>>15788005
r/askphilosophy is embarrassing

>> No.15788314

>>15788301
It's actually a good place with very well-informed people who actually studied and learned philosophy beyond Wiki pages

>> No.15788329

>>15788314
Maybe you should stay there with the other clowns.

>> No.15788330

>>15788022
The virtuous soul, have you not read the dialogue?

>> No.15788339

>>15788330
The only thing Reddit thinks about Classic Philosophy is that the glorious and hyper-advanced Arabic civilization preserved it and that we'd all be thumbing our buttholes if they weren't so generous.(obviously this is all wrong but you can't expect better from Reddit)

>> No.15788343

>>15788281
Also, Plato's focus on music is way beyond contemporary political "thinkers".
Look at how conservatives have supported the free market and yet it was this very free marked that undermined their ideology, mostly by making degenerate and immediatist music free for all. Funny, isn't it?
As Aristotle said somewhere (I am paraphrasing): "As long as you let me choose the songs, you can be free to make whatever laws you want".

This idea that music is at the core of politics, which the Greeks took as a given, is absolutely correct; and yet ignored by contemporary "thinkers".

>> No.15788938

>>15788281
>>15788343
explain why music is seperated from the rest of the arts within these ideas, wouldn't conrol of fables, theather, architecture etc. also be important for cultivating a better society?