/sffg/ - Science Fiction & Fantasy General

[Anonymous No.15765064]

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Which of the punk subgenres do you enjoy?
>>15745959
archive >>/lit/?task=search2&search_subject=sffg
charts https://mega.nz/folder/JrhSyY6S#7qmTPol52TnmpFOdbag7RQ
https://www.goodreads.com/group/show/1029811-sffg

[Anonymous No.15765077]

>>15745962

[Anonymous No.15765079]

>>15765064
Brandon Sanderson is not a hack but Abercrombie and Bakker certainly are

[Anonymous No.15765109]

how old were you when you read your first vonnegut story, /lit/

[Anonymous No.15765117]

Why is there so much gay shit in my space Vietnam short story collection?

[Anonymous No.15765127]

How come books don't incorporate the reader into meta and mindfuck me the way VNs do?

[Anonymous No.15765132]

>>15765109
my local charity shop has a copy of cat's cradle, is that a good one to start with?

[Anonymous No.15765146]

>>15765127
Wrong question.
You should be asking yourself why you don't know about those books and why you haven't read them, because they exist.

[Anonymous No.15765165]

>>15765146
Yeah that's the thing; I've scrounged around and, while I've found some delightfully abstract weird shit, nothing quite fills the niche. I've experienced some strong WAT moments and been astounded while reading some PKD stories but that's about the closest.

[Anonymous No.15765190]

>>15765132
It's his best. Even on Harold Bloom's western canon list.
http://sonic.net/~rteeter/grtbloom.html
>The United States
>Kurt Vonnegut Jr
>Cat's Cradle

[Anonymous No.15765206]

Anyone reading this?
It's supposed to have bunny fucking in it.

[Anonymous No.15765223]

how do you read Malazan if there are no 'main characters'?

It's such a strange read to me.

[Anonymous No.15765253]

Cyberpunk can be cool but it often just ends up being boring and cliche. I've been interested in "biopunk", which is more of the biological tech side of things but haven't read very much of it. Starfish was good (I heard the other books in that series weren't good but I may read them at some point). Haven't read much of anything from the other punk stuff, though stuff like dieselpunk sounds cool.

[Anonymous No.15765276]

>>15763699
I try to make at least one post after every book. But I slacked with the last series, because I was tearing through it so fast, that I didn't feel like posting between books. Just jumped from one book to the next without stopping.

[Anonymous No.15765289]

>>15765223
From left to right, starting with page one.

[Anonymous No.15765339]

>>15765165
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metafiction
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_metafictional_works
and similar

[Anonymous No.15765482]

>>15765064
>Which of the punk subgenres do you enjoy?
I think steampunk is inherently the stupidest one but weirdly I've found that it lends itself to better novels than the others. Probably because there's so little actually there as a framework

[Anonymous No.15765528]

>>15765109
Last year I read Slaughterhouse Five. Little too schizo for me. Should I bother with his other stuff?

[Anonymous No.15765545]

>>15765109
Read SH5 in school so like sixteen I think
Mother Night is his best desu

[Anonymous No.15765809]

>Tired 24/7
>Can't read more than a few pages without falling asleep
>Can watch hours of dumb YouTube videos about model building without falling asleep

What is wrong with me?

[Anonymous No.15765926]

is multi-pov popular because it keeps ADD brained readers interested or something.

Every time I read it I hate jumping between storylines and just want to read one to completion instead.

[Anonymous No.15765940]

I just read Network Effect, the first novel after the novellas in the Murderbot Diaries. It was alright, nothing too complex, just more adventures with some familiar characters. The end of the book was more engaging though.

>>15765206
I like previous works by the author so I'll try it, when I find an audiobook that is.

[Anonymous No.15765965]

>>15765926
It's popular because it's easy to translate to tv.

[Anonymous No.15765990]

>>15765940
i got bored of it when murderbot reconnected with the escape pod just felt like one of the short stories but with more scenes/worse pacing

[Anonymous No.15766194]

>>15765545
>Mother Night
Just finished it. It's kino. Loved the part where the Soviet Union is obsessed with his secret works published by someone else. Want to watch the movie and see if they butcher it or not desu

[Anonymous No.15766279]

>>15765965
>It's popular because it's easy to translate to tv.
Uh, wow. That actually makes a lot of sense. I never thought about it that way.

[Anonymous No.15766299]

i want to write a story about a offshoot branch of humanity that evolved as lone superpredators, like a grizzly bear or a tiger.

their human common sense/intelligence is boosted to insane levels, so they can perfectly remember any area, plant or creatrue. they can also calculate so much better that they can aim a stick or stone extremely accurately over 100 yards away.

what other human abilities could i jack up to OP levels and give them?

[Anonymous No.15766318]

>>15765109
Last year I read Slaughterhouse Five. Little too schizo for me. Should I bother with his other stuff?

[Anonymous No.15766343]

Which book best imagines the idea of a solarpunk future?

[Anonymous No.15766351]

>>15765528
Bamp.

[Anonymous No.15766362]

>>15766343
Are you convinced of greenhouse gas induced global warming?

[Anonymous No.15766410]

>>15766362
Of course. I'm not American

[Anonymous No.15766440]

>>15765223
U just delete it
Don’t read “epic” fantasy
One protag is all a story needs

[Anonymous No.15766456]

>>15766440
The more I read, the more I respect simplicity

>>15766351
Next on my list after some of his short stories.

[Anonymous No.15766501]

>>15766299
You do realise these people would never develop language, meaning no tech progression beyond picking up rocks fr the ground? And if they have no tools, then the human body is pretty shit at being a super predator

[Anonymous No.15766984]

>>15766501
i didn't think of any of that honestly

[Anonymous No.15766998]

Senlin Ascends was decent enough, made me want to read what happens next. But in the back of my mind, it felt quite shallow and I am pretty sure the conclusion won't be satisfying

[Anonymous No.15767017]

>>15766279
Yup. Everyone wants a netflix deal.

[Anonymous No.15767084]

>>15766410
>Of course
Upon what evidence?

[Anonymous No.15767097]

Still reading Malice and the human villain's motives are pretty funny so far, he's like "I don't need anything else out of my deal with the devil but I might as well see it through".
The author's finally giving him motivation now through a sick wife but for like 20% of the book he had no real motive to carry on acting evil lol

[Anonymous No.15767101]

>>15767084
To be fair, it's probably causing it but not at the rate at which people claim.

[Anonymous No.15767119]

Fuck e William brown

[Anonymous No.15767149]

>>15765079
how is Bakker a hack

[Anonymous No.15767156]

>>15765206
>bunny fucking
lol just watch/read Beastars

[Anonymous No.15767159]

>>15767149
He's a bad writer who tries to cover it up with an overabundance of fictional names and terms.
Copying Frank Herbert but without the craft is an achievement given how plodding Herbert was himself.

[Anonymous No.15767166]

>>15767101
I'd only encourage to always approach "statistical data" and "scientific fact" with a critical eye.

[Anonymous No.15767230]

>>15765132
>>15765190
> cat's cradle
I dropped cat's cradle 1/3 in. it's so bleak and disjointed.

[Anonymous No.15767241]

>>15767084
The hottest year on record, several years in a row.

[Anonymous No.15767249]

>>15767017
I'm sure GRRM was thinking about netflix when he started writing Game of Thrones.

[Anonymous No.15767263]

>>15766998
The fourth book is coming out next year.
I started the 3rd one and it's the same quality so far.

[Anonymous No.15767279]

what's a trashy but fun and highly addictive fantasy series ?

something that's just entertaining and not sophisticated in the least

[Anonymous No.15767284]

>>15767156
Rather zooptopia doujins. That bunny has some thick buns.

[Anonymous No.15767294]

>>15767249
ASOIF works for tv because GRRM worked as a screenwriter as well.
And everyone today is emulating ASOIF because they want to get picked up by a streaming service.
Netflix is just a big one.

[Anonymous No.15767359]

>>15765117
Hammer's Slammers sounds like a Chuck Tingle book

[Anonymous No.15767360]

>>15767279
>trashy but fun and highly addictive fantasy
how trashy are we talking here.

[Anonymous No.15767367]

>>15767279
Enter the world of litrpg

[Anonymous No.15767369]

>>15767359
>slammed into jail and hammered in the butt by my second Hugo nomination by Chuck Tingle

[Anonymous No.15767398]

>>15767369
That's Dr Chuck Tingle actually.

[Anonymous No.15767404]

>>15767279
Library of heavens path

[Anonymous No.15767413]

>>15765064
books for this feel?

[Anonymous No.15767433]

>>15767360
honestly as trashy as could be, idc

[Anonymous No.15767445]

>>15767279
I want that too, but without RPG elements

[Anonymous No.15767455]

>>15767241

[Anonymous No.15767466]

>>15767413
idk probably check the black library??? not big into their stuff but dan abnett is a distinguished author

[Anonymous No.15767498]

>>15767359
I thought it sounded like an oc donut steele Starship Troopers platoon

[Anonymous No.15767509]

>>15767433
>as trashy as could be, idc
you asked for it.
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/42294373-the-anime-trope-system
17 books so far of a series written by a black weeb about anime and anime cliches.
its so cringy and so cliche that its actually hilariously entertaining.

[Anonymous No.15767513]

>>15767413
For Imperial Fists, go for Praetorian of Dorn, tho it's more espionage-like.

[Anonymous No.15767549]

>>15767230
just like real life

[Anonymous No.15767561]

>>15767433
Tamer.

[Anonymous No.15767632]

>>15767279
I'm just gonna list some action focused fantasy series that I read quickly.

Will Wight (travellers gate and cradle)
A WIll Eternal
Monarch of Evernight
Greatcoats (de castell)
Copper Cat
doubt this one will land but Crown of Shards
Gortek and Felix (warhammer)
Acts of Caine
Nevernight
Imager

[Anonymous No.15767646]

Okay.. So Ringworld wasn't as good as I remember it being. Here's hoping Engineers is as good as I remember it being.

[Anonymous No.15767659]

>>15767561
>Purple and yellow

I'm gonna hurl..

[Anonymous No.15767661]

>>15767646
Niven's just bad from what I've read of him, Pournelle's worse so fuck knows what made those two rise to such prominence.

[Anonymous No.15767670]

>>15767413
What is this from?

[Anonymous No.15767680]

>>15767670
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZc6cr6G2E4
kraut fanfilm

[Anonymous No.15767698]

>>15765109
Unironically 28. I'm 29 btw.

[Anonymous No.15767713]

>>15767646
No, I think Ringworld is the clear best unless you're into fucking giantesses. I think the fun of meeting the puppeteer for the first time was a big driver for me.

[Anonymous No.15767816]

>>15767279
Titus Crow if you want to see a wizard btfo Cthulhu
Hawk & Fisher
The War of Powers
The Warlock series and the Rogue Wizard series by Christopher Stasheff
Guardians of the Flame
The Keys to Paradise Trilogy
Bloodsong trilogy by Asa Drake aka C. Dean Andersson
The fifth Millenium
Berserker Series by Robert Holdstock
The Lords of Dûs
Thieves World
Warhammer Fantasy novels are peak trash-fantasy

[Anonymous No.15767848]

Anyone played/read the Fallen London web game?
Worth getting into?

My friend keeps recommending it to me, but I am sceptical after he suggested I read Prince of Thorns.

[Anonymous No.15767862]

>>15767230
You retarded?

[Anonymous No.15767978]

>>15767279
discworld novels

[Anonymous No.15768003]

>>15767848
The writing is good to great in places but the pacing is pretty slow after a while.
I always play it pretty intensely for like a month and then stop

[Anonymous No.15768034]

>>15765809
Get audiobooks.
You're reading boring books that don't keep you attentive.

[Anonymous No.15768126]

How's that new Gene Wolfe book?
I read three comments saying it was shit. Did someone else finish it for him?

[Anonymous No.15768133]

>>15767978
which one should i start with?

[Anonymous No.15768159]

Are the Hyperion sequels really that bad? I've never seen anyone here say a good thing about them.

[Anonymous No.15768187]

>>15768126
Happens all the time with dead authors.
The Family find manuscripts that are complete dog shit and should've never seen the light of day, but they sell em regardless because fuck the legacy.

[Anonymous No.15768253]

>>15768133
Publication order. The first are weaker but the series has a life cycle and you want to experience it from birth to death.

[Anonymous No.15768287]

>>15768159
One of the great strengths of the book is it its open-endedness - a torturing horror that draws pilgrims from across the galaxy is a powerful image to stick in the mind but and oh it's a robot and keats is not. Sometimes too much explaining can stomp on all the resonances you've set up in the reader's mind and retroactively weaken that first experience.

[Anonymous No.15768290]

>>15768187
>find
it was completed and submitted before he died

[Anonymous No.15768305]

>>15768159
Nah, they’re good, just different.
Too bad the author is a total shithead.

[Anonymous No.15768314]

Anyone read the 4th Three body Problem book? The one that was fanfiction that the author canonized? Curious if it’s worth reading after the trilogy, which I enjoyed.

[Anonymous No.15768323]

>>15768305
he went insane after 9/11 and the writing took a nosedive
happened with quite a few genre authors

[Anonymous No.15768338]

>>15765109
He’s so hyped and I still have a bit of hipster in me so I haven’t read him yet.

All of the people who liked him that I knew throughout the years are a bunch of dinglebops. Bad way to judge an author I know but it is what it is. I’m 31

[Anonymous No.15768399]

>>15768338
I would say of Vonnegut fans 50% read him in high school, 25% in college and 25% other. A bit of a babby's first vibe. But not bad. I'd recommend you try one.

[Anonymous No.15768453]

>>15766343
If cyberpunk is high tech low life, what is solarpunk exactly?

[Anonymous No.15768547]

recommend me something with a good plot

[Anonymous No.15768599]

>>15768547
The Name of the Rose.

[Anonymous No.15768758]

>>15768453
It's a bullshit name made up to capitalise on cyberpunk, which is about the only -punk that actually means anything. I'd MAYBE take it more seriously if it didn't have a ridiculous name that contradicts the actual point of it.

[Anonymous No.15768896]

I want to be audiobook pilled, /lit/. Any of you got links to any good ones? I haven't tried it, but I realized my daily walks are the perfect time for some fantasy.

[Anonymous No.15769100]

>>15765064
I find cyberpunk the most aesthetically appealing, but in practice there are very few cyberpunk books that I've enjoyed--in my opinion the subgenre has shown itself best in films (Blade Runner, which is more responsible for the genre than any book), video games (Deus Ex), and anime (GitS, Psycho-Pass season 1). A lot of the other subgenres termed "punk" often don't actually lend themselves to being "punk," with a person outside of the system working against it. Not that this makes the books lacking that feature better or worse, necessarily, I just find it strange that "Xpunk" became the go-to term for referring to certain types of settings.

If anyone has any good cyberpunk book recommendations I'm all ears, I'd love to find a book in the genre that's genuinely good. Even the cyberpunk books I like the most (Snowcrash, China Mountain Zhang) have some pretty big problems.

[Anonymous No.15769157]

>>15768896

[Anonymous No.15769332]

>>15769100
The Artificial Kid
Schismatrix
Islands in the Net
Holy Fire
HeadCrash
Ware Tetralogy
A Song Called Youth/The Eclipse Trilogy
Hardwired
When Gravity Fails
Synners
Metrophage
Mirrorshades (An anthology)
The Shockwave Rider
Trouble and Her Friends
The Cold Cash War
Dr. Adder
The Diamond Age
Random Acts of Senseless Violence
Ambient
City Come A' Walkin'

[Anonymous No.15769442]

>>15769332
I've not nearly read every book on that list, but the ones I have run the gamut from pretty good (The Diamond Age) to mediocre (Schismatrix) to pretty bad (When Gravity Fails). What is your top 3 from the list?

[Anonymous No.15769519]

>>15769332
If I wanted to be educated and preached I would study and read philosophy. I read fantasy for the "wow future cool" factor and a nice story to entertain me.
I hate how this is image is trying to make it seem the main goal of cyberpunk fantasy is to push an ideology or belief system instead of entertaining.
This sort of bullshit is why cancel culture is a thing. Not everything needs to be a propaganda piece that agrees with you, and not everything that isn't is propaganda for the other side for fucks sake.

[Anonymous No.15769532]

>>15769332
So people miss the core aspects of cyberpunk, and only focus on aesthetic?

[Anonymous No.15769560]

>>15769442
The Eclipse trilogy
The Shockwave rider
City come a walkin

[Anonymous No.15769563]

>>15769532
The biggest complaint when trailers for Cyberpunk 2077 started coming out was "but why is it sunny? Cyberpunk isn't supposed to be sunny!"
So yeah, most people are superficial retards

[Anonymous No.15769677]

>>15769560
Much appreciated.

[Anonymous No.15769681]

>>15767545

[Anonymous No.15769765]

I realize I read this book late, but I finished Martine's A Memory Called Empire recently and it's genuinely one of the worst books I've read in years. I'm shocked at how terrible it is.

[Anonymous No.15769962]

>>15769765
There's no such thing as "late".
Whether you read a book the day it was published or centuries afterwards, it doesn't matter.

[Anonymous No.15769978]

>>15767455
>patterns don't real

[Anonymous No.15770136]

>>15769765
It suffers from a mary sue-ish MC, I thought it was fine, 3 stars.

[Anonymous No.15770222]

>>15765223
You choose your own main characters.
Fiddler and Trull were mine, which is probably why I lost interest in the series when Trull got ganked.

[Anonymous No.15770250]

>>15770222
It was a shitty end but Trull's dick was too big for Malazan.
>casually parries Icarium with some basic bitch spear

[Anonymous No.15770302]

>>15770250
His heart and his dick, my friend.

[Anonymous No.15770328]

what does /sffg/ think of the Left Hand of God trilogy?

[Anonymous No.15770348]

What does /sffg/ think of the Left Hand of God Trilogy?

[Anonymous No.15770934]

>>15770348
why would I read a trilogy about god's wanking hand?

[Anonymous No.15771098]

>In this Victorian fantasy, a witch hunter needs to stop the most dangerous person he knows: his ex-boyfriend. Featuring cannibalism and jazz music.

[Anonymous No.15771198]

>>15771098
I'd read it. What is it?

[Anonymous No.15771205]

>>15771198
https://www.reddit.com/r/Fantasy/comments/hko8nw/fantasy_authors_are_looking_for_beta_readers/

[Anonymous No.15771218]

>>15771205
>reddit
Wew, I say, almost had me lad.

[Anonymous No.15771324]

What's worth reading from Asimov's Foundation series? The first three books?

[Anonymous No.15771347]

just finished the murderbot diaries and really enjoyed it the whole way through, would anybody here be able to point me in the direction of similar series? i'm mostly looking for things where the protagonist has a similar outlook/thought pattern as SecUnit than a story with similar plot

[Anonymous No.15771378]

>>15771324
Do it and tell us anon.

[Anonymous No.15771444]

>>15765064
I've never been in one of these threads except for maybe a year ago.

What happens here? Is there anything good? I like the pictures.

[Anonymous No.15771481]

>>15771347
Depends on what exactly you mean about Secunit's outlook

Web Shifters does the non-human intelligence gradually learning to fit into society thing as well. But the protag is a more empathetic character than secunit, however you do still have a big conflict between her past "purpose" in life and what she wants to do.

[Anonymous No.15771674]

>>15771444
Only silliness happens.

[Anonymous No.15771786]

>>15767455
I bet you're a flat earther

[Anonymous No.15771792]

>>15770302
>>15770250
>>15770222
W I T N E S S

[Anonymous No.15771810]

>>15771198
Don't you see it's a faggot packed book?
He's probably reminisce how his bf used to bugger him.

[Anonymous No.15771828]

>>15771347
So you want a novel about an autistic protagonist?

[Anonymous No.15771853]

>>15771444
To be embraced into the fold you need to finish three of these books, and find new ones to add to the list.

[Anonymous No.15771864]

>>15771828
not autistic per se, but lacking in empathy without just being a terrible person is comforting for me to read because i don't really find characters i can relate to often
>>15771481
thank you ! i will look into that series, but i was more meaning the disempathetic outlook SecUnit has so if you have any recommendations about that i would love to hear them

[Anonymous No.15771888]

>>15771853
I've only read Imajica on that list, but how is it degeneracy?

[Anonymous No.15771920]

>>15771864
So you're saying you're a soulless shell of a human being?
Do you have to pretend like you like someone so they will give you the pucci? Or does your lack of human connection extend to your sex drive?
I lack some "feelings", but I'm not 100% soulless.

[Anonymous No.15771932]

>>15771888
>how is it degeneracy?
That is a GRI chart. You're saying the raping and buggering in imajica isn't degenerate?

[Anonymous No.15771933]

>>15771853
Maybe some other time.

[Anonymous No.15771938]

>>15771920
thats quite confrontational
i have basically zero feelings unless theyre related to a few very close people (partners and such), so i dont have to fake anything with them but i do have to do it with basically everybody else, and yes i have a sex drive
i dont think im soulless just because i have issues with my emotions (or lack thereof), just different - and it doesnt stop me being a good person, i dont need to be emotionally connected or care about people like that to help them or be a 'good' person

[Anonymous No.15771947]

>>15771864
not scifi but you could try Parker. They're heist novels and the protagonist is a sociopath who is extremely good at planning and violence.

At first you don't really notice it too much but as the series goes on it becomes more and more clear that he can't read or understand people much at all, thus the complications often spring out of him not understanding why other people might double cross him or not stick to the plan.

They're all really short too so it's not a big commitment

[Anonymous No.15771954]

>>15771947
thanks, i'll add that to the list too :)
i actually prefer longer series at this point i think - probably my favourite series is the vorkosigan saga

[Anonymous No.15772030]

Was he, dare I even say it, based and redpilled here?

>Tolkien is the wen on the arse of fantasy literature. His oeuvre is massive and contagious—you can't ignore it, so don't even try. The best you can do is consciously try to lance the boil. And there's a lot to dislike—his cod-Wagnerian pomposity, his boys-own-adventure glorying in war, his small-minded and reactionary love for hierarchical status-quos, his belief in absolute morality that blurs moral and political complexity. Tolkien's clichés—elves 'n' dwarfs 'n' magic rings—have spread like viruses. He wrote that the function of fantasy was 'consolation', thereby making it an article of policy that a fantasy writer should mollycoddle the reader.

[Anonymous No.15772043]

>>15772030
Who?

[Anonymous No.15772049]

>>15772043
China Mieville, new weird writer.

[Anonymous No.15772072]

>>15772049
Sounds like a prick. Has he written anything to earn his prickishness?

[Anonymous No.15772099]

>>15772072
I'm ordering his short story collection, Looking for Jake and Other Stories, and his debut novel, King Rat

[Anonymous No.15772136]

>>15772099
Well I wish him success, but there's a reason Tolkien is beloved.

[Anonymous No.15772156]

>>15772136
>wish him success
he's probably one of the most talked about speculative authors going around with respect from academia

[Anonymous No.15772260]

>>15772156
>being such a sycophant

[Anonymous No.15772388]

thoughts on the batteleech books?

[Anonymous No.15772392]

>>15772388
how did you fuck up the spelling that bad lol?
And the Stackpole ones are supposedly alright

[Anonymous No.15772427]

>>15771954
>my favourite series is the vorkosigan saga
Oh. You're the older cunny poster.

[Anonymous No.15772431]

>>15772427
im not old and ive posted in lit like once before

[Anonymous No.15772459]

>>15772431
>im not old
I'm talking about mature cunny.

[Anonymous No.15772462]

>>15772459
gross

[Anonymous No.15772465]

>>15772462
You gay or something?

[Anonymous No.15772466]

>>15772030
All the things he tells me to dislike are the things I like.

[Anonymous No.15772490]

Why can't e william brown fucking publish the loli book.
Praise Jim butcher. Next week we have a new book.

[Anonymous No.15772521]

>>15768758
Punk is about going against authority - solarpunk goes against capitalism. Punk doesn't have to be gritty and nasty.

Crass, arguably one of the most "true" punk bands of their era, very much lived a hippyish life.

[Anonymous No.15772522]

>>15772156
lmao

[Anonymous No.15772524]

>>15766998
What exactly made it seem shallow for you?

[Anonymous No.15772582]

Looking for some good stories about the Protagonist becoming the Antagonist.

Any recommendations?

[Anonymous No.15772592]

>>15772388
*battletech

[Anonymous No.15772725]

>>15772582
Just look for grimdark. The protagonist becomes the villain a lot in those.

[Anonymous No.15772834]

What's everyone reading?
Anyone excited for New Dresden Files on the 14th?

[Anonymous No.15772899]

Is this better than the previous one? The former was okay, I loved the part of the various heads of military etc coming together to figure out how to stop Judgement Day and kind of want more of that

[Anonymous No.15773019]

94 pages left in Absolution Gap and am really interested in how they wrap up all of this.

The Revelation Space series has been pretty damn good.

[Anonymous No.15773092]

What do I read next?

(1) Revelation Space (I've already read this but it's been years and I forgot all about it except a captain frozen in cryo)
(2) The Black Company (I'm a bit hesitant to get into a series but you all seem to enjoy these)
(3) The Dispossesed (cus Le Guin is comfy)
(4) some Miéville, like Embassytown or Perdido. I've only read The City & The City but I really enjoyed it.

[Anonymous No.15773099]

>>15773092
oh shit I forgot...or Diamond Age by Stephenson. From what I gather this one is good AND it doesn't have a shit ending. I loved Anathem so much (minus the rushed ending of course)

[Anonymous No.15773197]

>>15772030
At this point people only shit on Tolkien because it's the cool thing to do.

[Anonymous No.15773260]

>>15773092
The Scar

[Anonymous No.15773569]

>>15765064
Would anyone be interested in making an umbrella thread called /spec/ where we read everything from horror, science fiction, fantasy, romance and all the sub-genres thereof? I think it would make the threads more exciting and since we live in postmodern late capitalism, the world already views fictional genres and modes like that.

[Anonymous No.15773574]

>>15773569
1. this already is a speculative fiction thread
2. romance isn't spec fic and that's all your adding here

[Anonymous No.15773576]

>>15772522
something funny?

[Anonymous No.15773596]

>>15773574
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paranormal_romance

[Anonymous No.15773609]

>>15773092
If you know what's good for you, you better pick up the emperor's soul.

[Anonymous No.15773615]

>>15765064
What do you guys think of Solarpunk?

[Anonymous No.15773618]

>>15773197
>At this point people only shit on Tolkien because it's the cool thing to do.
Or maybe his books are shit and you're fed up of roleplaying elf fags talking about it to your face?

[Anonymous No.15773633]

>>15773596
Romance by it self you fucking mouth breather.
We already discuss anita blake, mercy Thompson and the others.

[Anonymous No.15773646]

>>15773618
What are some superior fantasy writers, anon?

[Anonymous No.15773655]

>>15773615
Anon... Just for that I will never give you any books. You're trying different ways to get recommendations, but in reality you're just spamming the thread.

[Anonymous No.15773695]

>>15765064
I love solarpunk

[Anonymous No.15773716]

>>15773695
>facism
>communism

What's a "le punk" genre monoarchists and distributionists can strive towards?

[Anonymous No.15773726]

>>15773695
Whatever caused Gen X and zoomers to be so sympathetic towards communism?

[Anonymous No.15773823]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkWl9k0iDcE&feature=youtu.be

Reading an excerpt from my new sci-fi novelette.

[Anonymous No.15773944]

>>15773726
Capitalism

[Anonymous No.15773985]

>>15773726
Too good of a life? A hatred of their father figure?

[Anonymous No.15773987]

I think I have completely outgrown fantasy and science fiction.

It has been fun, friends, but this is it for me. For the past 15~ years I read at least a few books a week, slightly more than half of them being speculative fiction. I have read every major writer you can think off, despised many, exalted others. But I see through it now. Wolfe, and Tolkien, and Dick, and Clarke, and so on - they no longer give me joy. I have come to realize that the entire concept of lying fiction is an immature endeavor meant to obscure that, which is difficult and unpleasant to talk about directly. Recently it has taken up manufacturing narratives in order to progress their shitty ideological agendas, and all large institutions like the Hugoes have succumbed to it. In other words, I think the genre is headed in a really, really bad direction and unlikely to develop anything new that would challenge the stagnant domination of fantasy as falsity. The whole charade of engaging in non-realist fiction is just an autistic exercise in world building. One twists the humans so they conform to the fake world.
Anyways, after over a 1000 books of speculative fiction, the absolute best writers I have encountered are Jack Vance, Algernon Blackwood, Olaf Stapledon and John Crowley.
Good luck.

I will still read elf smut though, see you next week

[Anonymous No.15774020]

>>15773987
There's more to fiction than elf smut?

[Anonymous No.15774039]

>>15773726
Corporations fucking over laws and men?

[Anonymous No.15774068]

>>15773987
>burning out after only a thousand
Try 3k. Just read smut and self published tripe that don't take themselves too seriously.

[Anonymous No.15774253]

What is your favorite one and done Wolfe books? For me it's Pirate Freedom

[Anonymous No.15774372]

>>15774020
There are other types of smut too

[Anonymous No.15774373]

>>15773987
>at least a few books at week
>3 books a week
>15 years
>15*52*3= 1,440 books total
>slightly more than half of them being speculative fiction
>Let's say 60%, that's 864 books
>over a 1000 books of speculative fiction
Nice LARP, but do better with the math.
>It says AT LEAST a few, sometimes I read a book every day for a month straight!

[Anonymous No.15774407]

>>15765117
Define gay? I was thinking of reading these cause I liked red liners alot

[Anonymous No.15774428]

>>15774407
One of the main characters is a literal homo but he doesn't show up very much.
In one story, one of the guys takes a moment during an onslaught of screeching alien lizards hell bent on killing them all with no hope of pickup out of the jungle for at least a day to admire the size of their lizard dicks.

[Anonymous No.15774433]

>>15774428
Nah man that's just marine shit. Watch Generation Kill, they're gay as fuck.

[Anonymous No.15774475]

>>15774433
That's just banter. 10/10 show however

[Anonymous No.15774492]

>>15774373
Autistic goodreads maths anon, chill the fuck out with your calculation fetish.

[Anonymous No.15774515]

>>15774475
Homosexuality in the Marine Corps is like a dark pit. You stare into it to pass the time, but you must take care it doesn't stare back at you.

[Anonymous No.15774544]

>>15774515
Iceman was a good looking dude, show and IRL. It happens you know.

[Anonymous No.15774639]

>>15772030
That's quite the critique.

[Anonymous No.15774694]

>>15774639
Tolkien is fucking boring and that is enough tebehe.

[Anonymous No.15774705]

Lot of talk in these threads about fantasy fiction, but what about fantasy non-fiction?

[Anonymous No.15774710]

>>15774694
based but fuck niggers who hate him because he's white and so on

[Anonymous No.15774735]

>>15774705
I don't know if you're memeing, mean nonfiction works about fantasy, or mean fantasy works written as if they were nonfiction.

[Anonymous No.15774745]

>>15774710
That's just racism. Imagine hating Harper Lee or Conrad because of this shit, disgusting

[Anonymous No.15774818]

Are there any webnovels worth a read?

[Anonymous No.15774848]

>>15774818
Love Crafted and Cinnamon Bun are kawaii as fuck nigga.

[Anonymous No.15774861]

>>15774818
Mother of Learning is basically just a 3-5 book fantasy series published all in one go

[Anonymous No.15775035]

>>15774694
Short attention span?

[Anonymous No.15775061]

>>15775035
No, he's just boring.

[Anonymous No.15775084]

>>15775061
Gotcha. Short attention span.

[Anonymous No.15775101]

>>15775084
There's a difference between patience and attention you fuck

[Anonymous No.15775157]

>>15775101
So you admit you don't have the patience for it.

[Anonymous No.15775167]

>>15775157
Never said otherwise. It's like a Marvel film to Homer's 2 works.

[Anonymous No.15775191]

>>15775167
I'm just saying. Seventy years worth of adoration and awards has to count for something.

[Anonymous No.15775204]

>>15775191
So if Harry Potter endures 50 more years...

[Anonymous No.15775227]

>>15774639
It's just paint-by-numbers commie lit crit dogma

[Anonymous No.15775228]

>>15775191
He invented the genre but the books value these days is purely historical.

[Anonymous No.15775254]

>>15775228
Dunsany and Kipling invented it he just put it in way too long form

[Anonymous No.15775265]

>>15775204
Harry Potter is beloved (by teenage girls and stay-at-home moms) because of the massive commercial success of the movies. And Tolkien had to contend against actual contemporary literature, not the other children's books on the shelves.

[Anonymous No.15775288]

>>15775265
Tolkien was read by hippies and children at first. He's an important relic and that's it.

[Anonymous No.15775376]

>>15775167
>It's like a Marvel film to Homer's 2 works.
This must be the shittiest analogy anyone has ever come up with on this board.
>>15775228
>He invented the genre
>>15775265
Harry Potter was a bestseller years before they made the first movie.


>outer /lit/ dominated by /pol/tards and bait threads
>/sffg/ full of ignorant fucks
I think it's time to leave.

[Anonymous No.15775395]

>>15775376
So leave then if you can't take someone dissing your litdaddy, redditshit

[Anonymous No.15775409]

>>15775376
There werent any authors before Tolkien who had elves dwarves and orcs as distinct races.

[Anonymous No.15775439]

>>15775395
>redditshit
Ah yes, the spooky place will save you the embarrassment of comparing a book to a Marvel adaptation of a classic or posting factual errors, or assuming I'm somehow defending Tolkien.

Cool bait. Made me sigh in frustration/10

[Anonymous No.15775441]

>>15772030
lol that tryhard piercing. What a faggot. His writings shit too

[Anonymous No.15775446]

>>15775409
>omg he has dwarves and elves talking to each other
>this is freakin keanu reeves big chungus epic

[Anonymous No.15775467]

>>15775439
I thought you were leaving.

[Anonymous No.15775471]

>>15772156
>academia
The same people that try to convince young adults that a man can be a woman if they chop off their dick?

[Anonymous No.15775483]

>>15775227
Not really. Tolkien really did seem to operate by the notion that the rightful king would bring harmony, that conflict boiled down to good against evil, and that war was glorious. None of that is off base. Now he made some really good stories in spite of that because political intrigues were not the focus of his narrative nor did they have to be.

[Anonymous No.15775484]

>>15775441
He's /fitlitshit/ edge incarnate. I do like his writings tho.

[Anonymous No.15775488]

>>15773726
The school of Frankfurt infiltrating the universities back in the 30’s and decades of subversion since then

[Anonymous No.15775496]

>>15775409
Yeah apart from the fucking first written work in the english language you mong

[Anonymous No.15775512]

>>15775409
What genre or subgenre did Tolkien invent? How is making up some races a genre?

[Anonymous No.15775519]

>>15775496
Elves in English folklore are nothing like Tolkiens elves you tard. He literally defined the genre which is you wont find any pre tolkien books labeled as fantasy.

[Anonymous No.15775531]

>>15775519
Okay. I've read enough. I'm out of here.

[Anonymous No.15775532]

>>15775519
What genre is the Princess and the Goblin then?

[Anonymous No.15775534]

>>15775228
>Tolkien invented the genre
>fantasy books weren't published or didn't exist until Tolkien was literate

>>15775265
>Harry Potter became popular because of the movies
>it wasn't that books were being outsold that made them make a movie

[Anonymous No.15775548]

>>15775534
>Harry Potter became popular because of the movies
>it wasn't that books were being outsold that made them make a movie
I didn't see that bit of their post earlier
You have to be insanely young to not remember how mad the hype was every time a new harry potter book came out. Goblet came out before the films and people were queuing through the entire shopping centre to get a copy from waterstones

[Anonymous No.15775559]

Do you find reading two books at the same time "worsens" the experience? I only read one at a time but I'm getting sick of a book series and I want to read something on a different genre,

[Anonymous No.15775564]

>>15775559
Nah but you might never go back to one of them, that's what happens sometimes to me.

[Anonymous No.15775578]

>>15775559
I'm reading Vorkosigan and Strugatkis' works at the same time. Makes for a nice change of pace.

[Anonymous No.15775598]

>>15775534
I get you are replying to hyperbolic statements with your own hyperbolic statements but Lord of the rings indeed "invented" the generic fantasy genre. If only because of the fact almost all of the consequently fantasy copied him in some aspect or even in the totality of his works.
And while the harry potter books series was always popular in their own right, it is undeniable that most of it's current success is thanks to the movies, combined to the fact they are very accessible as "first books".
Even if you liked the LOTR movies as a young teen, you wouldn't simply try to read the books because of it. I know because I tried when I first watched them and just found it boring and hard.
Harry potter on the other hand is perfect for the teens who just got out of a movie and want more few the world and or just read the source material.

[Anonymous No.15775600]

>>15775532
Obviusly works with fantastical elements existed but not the genre as we know it today.

[Anonymous No.15775609]

>>15775564
>>15775578
Thanks I will do that. If i don't get back to it then I just didn't like the books that much anyway.

[Anonymous No.15775618]

>>15765109
32 when I read Cat's Cradle, then I read them all within the next 2.5 years, pretty good

[Anonymous No.15775627]

>>15775578
>Vorkosigan
Someone shilled this in the last thread and got me curious.
Is this another example of a long series of trite but "fun" books, written for teenagers and aging role-players? (see W40K, Dragonlance)
Reviews and awards have been contradictory. I mean, does it hold any literary value?

[Anonymous No.15775631]

>>15775409
Behold lit. It's stupid braindead Americans like this anon that make the world stupid.
>Tolkien invented fantasy because he had orcs and elves in his books.

[Anonymous No.15775648]

>>15775627
>literary value
WTF do you mean by that? Anything written has intrinsic literary value, even if as an example of bad writing not to follow.

[Anonymous No.15775658]

>>15772030
>by making it an article of policy that a fantasy writer should mollycoddle the reader.
He's definitely right about this, i'm always seeing people online saying stuff about how the first Dune book or Malazan are confusing.
But that's not Tolkien's fault, the blame goes to the publishers and authors like Terry Brooks.

[Anonymous No.15775665]

>>15775600
Faggot. There are many fantasy books without elves and orcs. Jesus fuck. Are you one of those idiots that feel every fantasy book is imitating Tolkien?

[Anonymous No.15775668]

>>15775658
Those are bad examples desu even if the broader point is true for mainstream fantasy. Dune was famously unedited so the comprehension problems don't just come from all the unique terminology.
And the "just wrote up our D&D game" element of Malazan is really prominent in the first book which is where the people complaining of being confused most often encounter it.

[Anonymous No.15775677]

>>15775548
Remember when a book was leaked online before it was published and there were drive by spoilers at people waiting in line?

[Anonymous No.15775682]

>>15775658
The problem with done is not That it is conducing. It's that it doesn't give you enough to get interested in in a way that makes you care about the details. Even if it was a lot more simply you would find yourself skimming the pages and missing important information and then the books would still be "confusing".

[Anonymous No.15775689]

>>15775648
I meant if it was well written, original, not too copious with tropes and pulp crap.

[Anonymous No.15775695]

>>15775689
You'll be fine then, read in omnibus order

[Anonymous No.15775724]

>>15775598
How underage ban are you faggot?
Harry Potter movies were a commercial hit because the millions upon millions of people that read the book wanted to see the movies.
Did you know Rowling was once the richest author in the world worth over a billion? She had to do shit to drop that because the taxes were buggering her, but the books were a commercial success before the movies.
When I was a kid I borrowed the books from my friend first then bought my own copies. This was before ebooks, if you wanted to read it, you had to buy it or borrow it. I had people borrow my copy then buy their own. My mom read the books when I finished. My aunt read my books. Just because you're underage fuck who don't know shit and is talking out your ass doesn't mean you're right. The books were popular before the movies. I remember when pastors used to talk against the books in Sunday sermons, saying they were witchcraft gateway books.

[Anonymous No.15775761]

Did I just walk into a lord of the rings vs harry potter thread?

[Anonymous No.15775771]

>>15775724
Are you illiterate?
> the harry potter books series was always popular in their own right,
> why yes you are a moron who think the books were never popular.
Mate for fucks sake if you think the reason harry potter isn't CURRENTLY(as I said) popular is, in great part, because of the movies you are deluded. You do realize the book were written more than a decade old right?
Like I said, another very important factor is the accessibility because of the simply writing in the books. Your 10 year old niece of son would definitely not be able to properly read LOTR but they would easily read Harry Potter.
Why are you sperging out mate? Nothing I said directly disagrees with what you said.

[Anonymous No.15775779]

okay is this guy 15 or serbian?

[Anonymous No.15775793]

>>15772388
they're pretty decent space opera, didn't expect them to have so many female characters, most of them are waifu tier so it's okay.

[Anonymous No.15775833]

>>15773609
>Put the jrpgs on the bag and no one gets hurt

[Anonymous No.15775872]

>>15775695
I don't know man. Omnibus order means books 1 and 7 first?

From literary map I got the impression the series might be a Black Company but in space and by a chick. How far off is this assessment?

[Anonymous No.15775949]

>>15773609
Dang! Those are the eyes of a killer.

[Anonymous No.15776058]

All of Mistborn and all of The Way of Kings are for sale at a shop near me for £5 total and have been for months and months
even the general public knows Sanderfag a hack

[Anonymous No.15776073]

>>15776058
Where?
That sounds like charity shop prices.

[Anonymous No.15776102]

>>15776073
I'm not giving away my location you dumb nigger that shit has my name written on it I just need to beg for some good boy points and wake up early enough to get to that shit

[Anonymous No.15776159]

>>15775627
It's certainly a step above Dragonlance, but if you're looking for literary value you're in the wrong genre.

It's a "Hornblower in Space" thing. I lost interest at some point, but I remember much of it fondly and don't regret my time with the series a bit. Give it a go.

[Anonymous No.15776275]

Anybody read The Vang books? Any good?

[Anonymous No.15776277]

Bite off your leg and kowtow three times and I might let you live.

[Anonymous No.15776326]

Recommend me something as trashy and shitty as the Gor series

[Anonymous No.15776365]

>>15776326
Logan Jacobs books.

[Anonymous No.15776380]

>>15776326
The Atlan saga

[Anonymous No.15776417]

>>15776326

[Anonymous No.15776481]

>>15776275
yeah has its ups and downs. writing is kinda inconsistent but overall its an enjoyable read. second book is the best in my opinion.

[Anonymous No.15776522]

>>15776326
Cripple your foundation and I won’t exterminate your clan.

[Anonymous No.15776586]

>>15776326
Everybody Loves Large Chests

[Anonymous No.15776687]

>>15773726
Only knowing about communism in theory instead of historically.

[Anonymous No.15776720]

>Check Goodreads reviews for a series
>Male Avatar: "This series is sexist and racist!"
>Female Avatar: "I really loved this series!"

Every time.
Why are men just the worst?

[Anonymous No.15776749]

>>15776058
Brandon Sanderson is a hero and a fantasy legend!
He has not only raised awareness of Down Syndrome but showed us all that it isn't a limitation; indeed it's a gift!

[Anonymous No.15776755]

So how do people who write these gamelit harem books get so many readers? I have some coomer shit that might appeal to the same fanbase.

[Anonymous No.15776907]

>>15772030
>Wagnerian
>boys-own-adventure
>reactionary
Is this man gay?

[Anonymous No.15776921]

>>15776326
Malazan
Prince of Nothing
Anything by a woman

[Anonymous No.15776924]

>>15776907
More likely he's just a faggot.

[Anonymous No.15776925]

>>15776907
Yes. I blame the parents.

[Anonymous No.15776935]

>>15776907
No, he's getting me too'ed

[Anonymous No.15776938]

>>15772072
>has he done anything?
He’s an annoying insufferable faggot. His writing isn’t bad but his pretentiousness is just too much. He’s also a disgusting communist to such a scale he wrote a book about the Russian revolution that’s just full of shit downplaying the atrocity

[Anonymous No.15776962]

>morning in australia
>autistic pol whining starts
at least keep to one post instead of making 4 in a row mate

[Anonymous No.15776980]

>>15776907
no, he sends dickpics to his underage fangirls

[Anonymous No.15777003]

>>15776962
>retard abo assuming it’s all samefagging
Lolz

[Anonymous No.15777008]

>>15772834
Bit worried the years and all that shit have given him brain rot but one way to find out

[Anonymous No.15777104]

guys, I'm pumped up, I'm hypomanic and there's three scenes I'm dying to go back and rewrite. What should I do, should I work on them, or should I jot some notes down and keep going with the next scene so I can get it out of the way

[Anonymous No.15777120]

>>15777008
he did some short stories not too long ago that got my interest. The one with Butters seemed pretty much on-brand and the one with Mouse and Maggie had me practically begging for a middlegrade spinoff series featuring them

[Anonymous No.15777346]

>>15777104
You'll rewrite them and then when you aren't manic you'll realize you made them worse.

[Anonymous No.15777414]

>>15777346
hypomanic, not manic, and my situation is kind of complicated because I'm not technically bipolar. I'm one symptom short of a diagnosis and that missing symptom happens to be the part where being hypomanic fucks my life up.

I still get the delusional overconfidence and all but that actually works out for me because I've got no risky vices to overindulge in and 99% of the time my problem is rock bottom confidence.

[Anonymous No.15777426]

>>15773695
Cyberpunk - a real genre
Solarpunk - not an actual genre

[Anonymous No.15777437]

>>15777414
Mental illness doesn't work like that. They don't literally exist. They are just convenient clusters of correlated behaviors. The symptoms are for insurance purposes not a binary decision on whether you have it or not.

[Anonymous No.15777505]

>>15773092
bump

[Anonymous No.15777532]

>>15777437
I'm well aware of that anon. I have enough random symptoms to fit under a half-dozen mental illnesses and still have 20 more symptoms that match other conditions, but which I don't have enough symptoms to qualify for a diagnosis

off the top of my head: aspergers, depression, general anxiety disorder, panic disorder, hypochondria, symptoms of bipolar II, add, adhd, tourettes, pica, multiple personality disorders.

In adition, my cognition is so lopsided that I've scored 140 and below 90 on two separate sections of an IQ test, and I have such a strong psychosomatic response that on two separate occasions I've nearly starved to death because my brain kept the symptoms of a stomach virus going for three months

[Anonymous No.15777543]

>>15777437
>>15777532
to clarify that is "multiple DIFFERENT personality disorders", not "dissociative identity disorder"

[Anonymous No.15777660]

>>15777532
Yes, you are well and truly condemned, and it serves your purposes so you have no intention of ever being any other way.

[Anonymous No.15777990]

>>15777660
Oh, got it. You're one of those "psychology is a jewish conspiracy, just stop masturbating and all your mental illnesses will go away" people

[House of Suns, Alastair Reynol(...) No.15778028]

I just the first 20 pages. Launches straight into naming locations, factions, and people without telling us who they are or what they mean. On paragraph even names four new characters.

What a boring fucking read. Why do books do this?

Does it get better? I loved Pushing Ice and hoped this would be as good.

[Anonymous No.15778055]

>>15777990
No, I'm a person who believes that if someone doesn't want to become better they aren't going to ever be better regardless of what anyone else does to them or for them.

[Anonymous No.15778087]

>>15778028
You've already decided.

[Anonymous No.15778097]

>>15775665
>Are you one of those idiots that feel every fantasy book is imitating Tolkien?
Ahem. Even if one is not directly imitating Tolkien, his influence is so vast that essentially everything is Tolkien regardless. It's nigh inescapable in the same way that biblical influence is.

[Anonymous No.15778112]

>>15776935
You wish.

[Anonymous No.15778118]

>>15778055
There's things I want to get better at and things I don't. The tendency towards hypomania isn't one of them, it's only served to improve my life.

Now, this is really getting away from the point. Which of these scenes should I write tonight?

>(flashback): two neurotic girls break out of a research facility they grew up in
>(scene rewrite): a group of injured survivors come across a mansion and meet an acrobat inside
>(continuation): a grown man and a parakeet argue about whether or whether or not they should lie to an angel.

[Anonymous No.15778120]

>>15768323
Traumatic events do that.

[Anonymous No.15778121]

>>15778087
Nah not yet

[Anonymous No.15778129]

>>15778028
>15778028
i've read terminal world and a few others by him, house of suns is my favorite. worth sticking through the beginning

[Anonymous No.15778189]

>>15767279
Original Conan the Barbarian stories.

[Anonymous No.15778212]

>>15778129
Does the language and story telling become less opaque?

[Anonymous No.15778300]

>>15776980
Sauce

[Anonymous No.15778372]

>>15772030
what do we do about problematic shitlords like China Mieville

[Anonymous No.15778402]

>>15778372
Embrace them.

[Anonymous No.15778417]

>>15778372
Lovecraft did nothing wrong

[Anonymous No.15778637]

>>15777505
Black Company

[Anonymous No.15778656]

>>15778120
Traumatic events caused by your own government

[Anonymous No.15778690]

New Thread
>>15778682
novam disputationem
>>15778682
նոր թեմա
>>15778682
ନୂତନ ସୂତ୍ର


Time to sleep.