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>> No.15755723

>>15755721
He was born there

>> No.15755727

>>15755723
and?

>> No.15755735

>>15755727
and it's where he made his living

>> No.15755743

>>15755721
because he was an atention seeker to be honest, not a true cynic. i dont know what else would drive a man to show off his poverty so wantanly unless he got some joy at peoples reactions.

>> No.15755756

>>15755735
>my entire identity and life philosophy is cynicism
>so im going to live in a city in a barrel by the market place

he couldve made his living hunting deer

>> No.15755776

>>15755756
the city was meant for him maybe. I'd say he did pretty alright.

>> No.15755827

>>15755721
He was a DOG not a WOLF.

LYKOSARGES RISE UP

>> No.15755838

do cynics normally live in the woods and hunt deer or why you askin?

>> No.15755842

>>15755838
because if your entire identity is cynicism why would you live in the busiest place in a city

>> No.15755857

>>15755842
you can't really be a cynic anywhere else

>> No.15755864

>>15755857
you dont need to be near people to have a general dislike for them.

>> No.15755866

>>15755827
I am become lykical.

>> No.15755871

>>15755721
Urban>>>>>>rural

>> No.15755873

>>15755827
well he didint seem like mans best friend

>> No.15755875

>>15755721
His goal was to challenged traditional customs and values and the city was the perfect place for that. In other words, it was his "workplace" as a philosopher. He wouldn't be able to develop his philosophy and exercise it outside of the city.

>> No.15755884

>>15755723
Except he wasn't Athenian or born in Athens, he was from Sinope

>> No.15755894

>>15755873
"I fawn on those who give me anything, I yelp at those who refuse, and I set my teeth in rascals."

But what about the WOLF who is not a FRIEND but a CONTENDER?

>> No.15755896

>>15755884
Sinope was also a city. In this discussion when someone says city, they mean any city that Diogenes lived in

>> No.15755905

>>15755827
LYKOSARGES can SUCK IT

LYKOSKERBERES FTW

>> No.15755908

>>15755875
I guess this makes sense

>> No.15755916

>>15755896
this is how this threadline went
>if he was such a cynic why did he live in a city
>He was born there
>Except he wasn't Athenian or born in Athens, he was from Sinope
>Sinope was also a city. In this discussion when someone says city, they mean any city that Diogenes lived in

so you somehow know he lived in a city because he was born in one?

>> No.15755923

>>15755721
Because there isn't much in the countryside to be cynical about

>> No.15755932

being cynic means you care about society because of the people in it and want to change it because it has problems and areas that can be improved

>> No.15755942 [DELETED] 

>>15755721
https://discord.gg/hwCvNpd

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15755997

>>15755857
kek

>> No.15756010

>>15755884
Cool.

>> No.15756300
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15756300

>>15755864
>dislike for them
your confusing misanthropy with cynicism
cynicism is concerned with living in agreement with nature
Diogenes was mocking tradition by doing what he did

this part of cynicism hasn't really gone away if you look at people like Oswald Spenger or John Jacques Rousseau and their critique of civilization
instead of nature ("physis") and custom ("nomos") like in ancient Greek, the people in the western world made the divide between countryside and city (culture vs civilization)
it's pretty much the same ongoing tension in the history of humanity between what man produced as culture by interacting with nature which is mere appearance versus the untouched nature as essence
eventually appearance becomes essence if you believe what Hegel said about humanity merely being nature that has become conscious about itself

>> No.15756568

>>15755721
He would be less exceptional otherwise.

>> No.15756640

>>15755721
no cynic teachings had issues with living in communities or cites? what've you read on cynicism

>> No.15756651

>>15756300
>cynicism is concerned with living in agreement with nature
No it isn't. Plebest of takes.

>> No.15756714

he's another worthless urbanite. discarded.

>> No.15757048

>>15755743
That's exactly what he wanted.

Diogenes wanted others, vain & spoiled people who visited the markets and such, to see his lack of material things juxtaposed with his happy, care-free, at-peace ways.

He was very upfront to others about his philosophy. How else could he shock the populace by masturbating in public if he wasn't in the city? His 'attention seeking' made cynicism a long-lasting philosophy.

>> No.15757076

>>15756300
But why did he not live in nature if he wanted to live in agreement with nature?

>> No.15757635

he was a beggar and lived off of food donation

>> No.15757661

>>15757076
wtf even is nature? Cycnicism is not about living in agreement with anything, it's about going against the grain.

>> No.15757714

>>15756300
phusis is not nature, same goes for aletheia and truth
read Heidegger

>> No.15758472

>>15755721
he should've lived in a garden like epicurus