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How does determinism explain the illusion of choice, how's everything still and yet it moves

>> No.15748873
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>>15748795
How to prove cringe pseud larper materialists wrong:
Make a decision
Act on it
Whoops just proved free will. Now kys.

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>>15748873
>he thinks that his decision wasn't entirely based on prior information and therefore determinate
lmao

>> No.15749085

>>15749062
But ultimately it was free will that made me act in the end.

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>>15748795
>>15748873
Free will and determinism aren't just compatible, one needs the other. The only way to be sure you make your own decisions through your will alone is that the world is deterministic. A decision, after all, is the function of your desires as an individual and the information available. If I could give two copies of you right now the same information in two different timelines and they made two different decisions, that would surely indicate that the decision came from something other than you.

>> No.15749151

>>15748873
You must be over 18 to post on this board

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There is no motion in a determinist universe, thus there is no cause and effect to be determined, thus determinism doesn't exist.
Why? No object is an objective category, only a free subject have presentations, otherwise these are illusions like the intuition that you have free will.
Since we've all read Plato's Sophist this is all obviously self-evident, and we're just bantering, haha!

>> No.15749214

>>15749193
Categories and presentations are made up.

>> No.15749244

>>15749214
Yes, thus there is no cause and effect within the material universe. Being an object is not the essence of any phenomenon that presentation experiences. Of course determinism refutes itself and leads directly to true monism where no determination or presentation can occur.

>> No.15749387

If there is a soul(self, I, whatever), then it's input is qualia and its output is free will. If there is no soul, then no free will exists, but also no one exists to lack that free will.