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Do they exist?

>> No.15747860

>>15747816
Finkelstein is the most obvious one. Dershowitz tried to jew him out of his livelihood.

>> No.15747866

>>15747860
Didn't finkelstein say he doesn't want Israel to be destroyed. He just wanted to end the occupation? He criticized bds because it is anti-Israeli.

>> No.15747873

Hannah Arendt

>> No.15747892

>>15747873
How anti Israeli was she?

>> No.15747989

>>15747816
Don't read BAP if you're looking for anti-zionism

>> No.15748014

>>15747816
He’s not an author, but Bernie Sanders is anti-Zionism believe it or not.

>> No.15748021

Shlomo Sand is another.

>> No.15748052

>>15747892
she was a zionist in the 30s but criticed the non-secular, pro-US and anti-Palestine direction of the state. She thought that the nationalist character of the Zionists was a product of 19th century German nationalism and doomed to become totalitarian.

>> No.15748058

>>15747989
His book is explicitly anti-semitic though?

>> No.15748059

>>15748014
how

>> No.15748066

>>15747989
What is this new meme about BAP being pro-Israel propaganda?
https://theamericansun.com/2019/08/01/bap-on-israels-problem/

>> No.15748067

>>15747866
>>15747873
>>15748014
All of these people seem anti-zionist from a liberal/leftist perspective. Is there anyone who's anti-zionist from the perspective of it being against the interests of their home country?

>> No.15748149

>>15748058
>>15748066
He's funded by JINSA I'm pretty sure

>> No.15748158

>>15748066
Schizo fantasies mostly.

>> No.15748193

>>15748149
He got money from them in graduate school but he's not affiliated with anyone now. If he's getting money from anyone now its probably thielbucks

>> No.15748438
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>>15747816
>Putting Big Head Bobby Fischer as supporter for the right wing position

>> No.15748544

Felix Biederman

>> No.15748555

>>15747816
every left wing jew

>> No.15748564

>>15748052
A woman was finally right about something?

>> No.15748590

>>15748555
Also: every rightwing Jew (i.e religious Jews).

>> No.15748608

>>15748438

Anon that's a standard distribution, not a political compass.

>> No.15748614

>>15747816
Israel Shamir
Israel Shahak

>> No.15748734

Not a Jew
But everyone should read Deleuze‘s texts about Israel

>> No.15748787

>>15748734
Rough synopsis?

>> No.15748941

>>15748608
No shit! But maybe I meant the "Fucking Jews" quote that is directly above the fucking picture of Bobby Fischer.

>> No.15748977

>>15748941

>Antisemitism is inherently right wing

Congrats you're a winner. Collect your extra chromosome at the front desk please.

>> No.15750081

>>15747816
I will tell you some romanian ones: Mihai Eminescu, Emil Cioran, Mircea Eliade, Corneliu Zelea Codreanu(he isn't realy a writer)

>> No.15750103
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>>15748059
He wanted to defund the Israel aid. They get billions every year from the US. Trump continued that shit.

>> No.15750122

>>15748021
şolomo sand haha funny name

>> No.15750136

>>15747816
what a stupid question, most international jews and many religious ones are anti-zionist.

>> No.15750151

>>15748977
dont mind him, basic bitch lefties have a problem of polemicising veiw points. if a person is obviously left leaning, but not the right kind of left leaning they spurg out about it not really being left. no concept of nuance.

>> No.15751378

>>15748787
>israel bad

>> No.15751425

>>15748067
Not sure, but if you go into the history of Zionism and look at religious Zionism, much of the Jewish community was against it at the start, because they believed making a Jew country in Israel was against gods will or something. Not sure about the details.

>> No.15751497

>>15751425
Didn't God promise Jews Canaan forever in the OT though?

>> No.15751535

>>15747816
My diary.

>>15750136
Also this. They just don't have such a strong lobby due lacking, well, state support.

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15751868

Come to think of it, there are probably more pro-Zionist Christians than there are pro-Zionist Jews at this point, aren't there? If we count the huge swaths of American Protestants that are overwhelmingly pro-Israel.

>> No.15752029

>>15751868
I mean, numerically it's given.

>> No.15753012

noam chomsky

>> No.15753148

Weininger, arguably.

>> No.15753328
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>>15751425
It's possible. Weininger says:

>then Zionism is the negation of Judaism which entails, *according to its idea,* a dispersion over the whole earth.

Genesis 1:28:

>And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

Which seems to imply that the the whole earth belongs to the Jews, not just a limited geographical location.

>> No.15754000

>>15753328
How did this one middle eastern religion sneak its way into every civilization to this day

>> No.15754007

>>15747816
Talk to any leftist jew ever.

>> No.15754012

>>15748941
Why do you have a problem with this? Fischer was a notorious antisemitie who hated his own mother and as a result was also a self-hating Jew

>> No.15754029

>>15754012
I mean Fischer’s antisemitism is a well known fact and not up for debate.

>> No.15754126

>>15754012
>>15754029
I think he was alluding to the fact that Fischer was obviously fucking insane i.e. he's not anti-semitic because he's intelligent, but because he's a loon

>> No.15754719

>>15747989
I actually read the book. He does have much to say about the Jews. What he does have to say is not positive, especially in regards to modern Jews. Why you are trying to spread false information I can only guess.

>> No.15754727

>>15748149
>>15748193
How do you know this? I though no one knew who he was. What's his real name then?

>> No.15754761

>>15748614
>Israel Shamir
I cannot stress this one enough for its brevity and the color that it brings from one that sincerely broke from Judaism.

>> No.15754768

>>15751497
That was only for so long as they followed the rules.

>> No.15754791

>>15751868
If you find yourself wondering about this then you need to take a moment and consider how statistics work. There are factors more Zionist Christians than there are Zionist Jews strictly on the basis of there being so many more Christians. This kind of lopsided effect appears a lot when you see relationships between well represented minorities versus larger base populations. If you do not get this perception squared them people are going to easily distract you with statistics.

>> No.15754804

>>15754126
>because he's a loon
Frankly, his anti-Semitism is the only real evidence that was ever presented to me to prove his lunacy. That presentation fails in the face of objectivity.

>> No.15754918

>>15754719
>He does have much to say about the Jews
I meant to say ... He does NOT have much to say about the Jews ...

>> No.15755058

>>15751425
>>15753328
Judaism is a surprisingly diverse religion. There's so many branches just among the ultra orthodox Jews, almost with impossible to discern differences that mean a lot to the people within it.
The antizionist Jews can be theologically entrenched in Messianic ideas (obviously the nonchristian kind). The orthodox kind, at least. The liberals might have something against Zionism for entirely different reasons and in different degrees.
The short of it is that, among these more extreme and eschatological types, the proper place of the Jews is waiting on the actions of God, Messiah, etc. Some particularly superstitious followers in this movement include those who think their entire home and possessions will be divinely transported to Palestine, and others who think the dead rabbi, Menachem Mendel Schneerson isn't really dead, and he's the Messiah (this name is 100% real along with the rest of the Jew names in this thread). This is within the Chabad branch of Hasidic and Haredi Judaism (both very similar in appearance, yet not the same, as Hasidim was more like a revival movement at one time I think, and both within but not totally representing Orthodox Judaism). Haredi Jews are widely disliked or hated by other Jews and Israelis, and frequently hasidics fit in this. Mainly because they start shit, refuse conscription, make the country look bad, don't work and live off of government subsidies to "study Torah," etc.

Then, among the total but perhaps more with the philosophically inclined Orthodox, they may see Israel as representing a secularizing force that's destroying many long lasting traditions and values. And in some ways, destroying the identify of Jews in the world. And they have a point, since as time goes on, the "Israeli" nationality idea dominates over the "Jew." What separates them from Hungary, Bulgaria, Yemen, or any other small nation? And when that comes, they cease to be "set apart" for God. And of course, there is that Jewish arrogance there.
And some Orthodox even have a moral disdain for Israel, on behalf of the Palestinians, on a list of grievances which they may agree with the liberal jew.

>> No.15755130

>>15755058

This was very informative, thanks anon

>> No.15755300

>>15755058
>because they start shit, refuse conscription, make the country look bad, don't work and live off of government subsidies to "study Torah," etc.
Very based

>> No.15755314

>>15748555
I mean this is just blatantly false, Zionism has included strong socialist currents almost since its inception

>> No.15755331

>>15748438
Fuck youre dumb