Entropy

[Anonymous No.15738944]

What authors have taken on the hard problem of entropy? Has any one offered an optimisic take? Theistic take? Nietzschean overcoming take?

[Anonymous No.15739047]

I think this Boltzmann guy had a thing or two to say about Entropy.

[Anonymous No.15739056]

>>15738944
Yuk Hui

[Anonymous No.15739069]

>>15739047
Yes but what are the teleological-ethical conquences of Boltzmann?

[Anonymous No.15739080]

>>15738944
The problem of entropy is the problem of anxiety.
In the intelligent man faith is the only remedy for anxiety.
The foolish man thinks the remedy is reason, progress, drugs or work.

[Anonymous No.15739106]

Bernard Stiegler

[Anonymous No.15739125]

>>15739056
>Yuk Hui
Ty, looks good. What's his end game?

[Anonymous No.15739144]

>>15739106
>Bernard Stiegler
In the aftermath of the First World War, the poet Paul Valéry wrote of a ‘crisis of spirit’, brought about by the instrumentalization of knowledge and the destructive subordination of culture to profit. Recent events demonstrate all too clearly that that the stock of mind, or spirit, continues to fall. The economy is toxically organized around the pursuit of short-term gain, supported by an infantilizing, dumbed-down media. Advertising technologies make relentless demands on our attention, reducing us to idiotic beasts, no longer capable of living. Spiralling rates of mental illness show that the fragile life of the mind is at breaking point.

Underlying these multiple symptoms is consumer capitalism, which systematically immiserates those whom it purports to liberate. Returning to Marx’s theory, Stiegler argues that consumerism marks a new stage in the history of proletarianization. It is no longer just labour that is exploited, pushed below the limits of subsistence, but the desire that is characteristic of human spirit.

The cure to this malaise is to be found in what Stiegler calls a ‘pharmacology of the spirit’. Here, pharmacology has nothing to do with the chemical supplements developed by the pharmaceutical industry (or does it?). The pharmakon, defined as both cure and poison, refers to the technical objects through which we open ourselves to new futures, and thereby create the spirit that makes us human. By reference to a range of figures, from Socrates, Simondon and Derrida to the child psychoanalyst Donald Winnicott, Stiegler shows that technics are both the cause of our suffering and also what makes life worth living.

[Anonymous No.15739187]

In the three volumes of Disbelief and Discredit Stiegler argues that this process of technical reproduction has become dangerously divorced from its role in the constitution of human experience. Radically challenging the optimistic view of new technologies as facilitators of learning and progress, he argues new marketing techniques shortcircuit thought and disenfranchise consumers, programming them to seek short-term gratification. These practices of ?libidinal economics? have profound consequences for nature of human desire and they underpin the social and psychological malaise of contemporaty industrial society.

In this opening volume Stiegler argues that the industrial model implemented since the beginning of the twentieth century has become obsolete, leading capitalist democracies to an impasse. A sign of this impasse and of the decadence to which it leads is the banalization of consumers who become ensnared in a perpetual cycle of consumption. This is the new proletarianization of the technologically infused, hyper-industrial capitalism of today. It produces a society cut off from its past and its future, stultifying human development and turning democracy into a farce in which disbelief and discredit inevitably arise

[Anonymous No.15739194]

>>15738944
the virgin entropy vs the chad Omega point

[Anonymous No.15739212]

>>15739125
wtf even is all that shit.

[Anonymous No.15739218]

>>15739106
Where do I start with him?

[Anonymous No.15739232]

>>15739212
This interview is a good explanatory introduction:
https://www.e-flux.com/journal/102/282271/cybernetics-for-the-twenty-first-century-an-interview-with-philosopher-yuk-hui/

>Contingency is central to recursivity. In the mechanical mode of operation, which is built on linear causation, a contingent event may lead to the collapse of the system. For example, machinery may malfunction and cause an industrial catastrophe. But in the recursive mode of operation, contingency is necessary since it enriches the system and allows it to develop. A living organism can absorb contingency and render it valuable. So can today’s machine learning.

[Anonymous No.15739233]

>>15739069
If you believe in teleology you don't understand entropy.

[Anonymous No.15739235]

>>15739047
this
>>15739069
I don't think there are any, entropy is a measure of disorder or more correctly 'energy available to do useful work' in a 'system'. The only closed system is the universe.
I suppose you could extrapolate it to if there is too much entropy, then all the energy is locked up and not available for useful work, meaning you get no praxis.
But at the end of the day, entropy is just a measure of disorder of energy in a system.

[Anonymous No.15739276]

>>15739235
>The only closed system is the universe.
What do you premise that on?

There's lots of teleological-ethical conseqeunces from a closed universe where work and time must cease, an anti-realism.

[Anonymous No.15739288]

>>15739233
You could argue that entropy means teleology must exist outside of time, that the purpose of tense is tenselessness.

[Anonymous No.15739290]

>>15738944
You mean the heat death of the universe?
Greg Egan has written a few novels that aren't actually about it or even mention it (as far as I remember) but do address it incidentally.
Permutation City can be seen as being entirely about one technical solution, related to modal realism. Defeating entropy isn't even the most interesting aspect of it.
Diaspora addresses it in its ending, in a way, though the particular laws of physics in that book make entropy less of an issue.

[Anonymous No.15739320]

>>15739290
Another good rec, ty.

[Anonymous No.15739331]

>>15739276
>What do you premise that on?
The first law of thermodynamics and the "universality" of the universe (i.e. it's not an open system connected to other universes).
Find me some kind of wormhole into another universe that either imports or exports energy into our universe.

[Anonymous No.15739370]

>>15738944
Powerpseud time.

[Anonymous No.15739381]

>>15739331
But the universe's existence is a violation of the first law: energy was created. I don't see how you can strongly hold the applicability of the laws of thermodynamics to cosmological questions.

[Anonymous No.15739492]

>>15738944
The Conspiracy Against the Human Race is the final word in the pessimistic philosphy

[Anonymous No.15739497]

>>15739381
I thought told you, find me a wormhole where energy is being sucked in or pumped out of the universe.
To my knowledge there is no such thing.
The universe is a closed system.
It may have been open in the past, but it's closed now.
Does that make sense.
> I don't see how you can strongly hold the applicability of the laws of thermodynamics to cosmological questions.
Because Entropy is a thermodynamic word, that has no place in cosmology. And any attempt to do so is probably based on a superficial misunderstanding of the word, much in the same way people abuse other science phrases like "quantum entanglement" or "wave-particle duality" or "spin glass" when they are highly specialized terms that refer to highly specific phenomena.

[Anonymous No.15739505]

>>15739331
Redshift removes energy from the universe.

[Anonymous No.15739512]

>>15738944
Can you give me a summary of this book?

[Anonymous No.15739519]

>>15739497
>It may have been open in the past, but it's closed now.
What can't creation repeat itself, we know that creation is a fact. Whatever process created energy, may, by analogy of the first creation, create again.

[Anonymous No.15739527]

>>15739512
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vfhIYl73Lk

[Anonymous No.15739563]

>>15739527
Kek, thanks

[Anonymous No.15739674]

>>15739194
Hylics can’t even comprehend this level of redpill

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[Anonymous No.15739866]

>>15739218
Technics and Time 1.
Maybe more recent you might try Automatic Society 1.

[Anonymous No.15740065]

https://www.dedman.org/2020/06/30/on-suffering/

[Anonymous No.15740694]

>>15739125
deleuze, with all the liberal nonsense cut out. I like the liberal nonsense, but you know

[Anonymous No.15740698]

Privatsprache
Privatphilosophie
bunch of empty (metaphysical) words
>>15739232
>I spent the best time of my youth studying and working in England, France, and Germany. Europe is deep in my heart, but I am afraid that Europe will be impoverished by its increasing racism and conservatism. I wouldn’t want to say that new technological thought will necessarily come out of Asia instead of Europe, but I do believe that such thought can only emerge out of the incompatibility between systems of thought, since it is the incompatibility between them that leads to the individuation of thinking itself, avoiding both subordination and domination. However, I have increasing doubts if Europe is ready for this. It seems to me of ultimate importance to rearticulate the relation between philosophy, technology, and geopolitics today, which I am afraid remains largely unthought.
There is literally no place on earht with such a huge abundance of people who are actually well versed in continental philosophy and then might also be technologically trained and minded.
It is beyond retarded for someone who thinks of their Privatsprache Philosophy in these terms to hope anyplace different could achieve what he believes, let alone Asia or Silicon Valley America.

[Anonymous No.15742043]

>>15739232
So, by "recursivity", I am guessing he is talking about feedback loops?

[Anonymous No.15742066]

>>15739080
i agree with you.