Is Iran the ideal society according to Yukio Mishima?

[Anonymous No.15738800]

Or is too embracing of capitalistic modernity despite all the islamist ethnostate larping?

https://youtu.be/_am-0L6A0W0

[Anonymous No.15738866]

>>15738800
Iran's a lovely place, shame/a blessing mutts can't go there. Best country in the Middle East I'd say, they've managed to hang on to much of their traditional architecture and crafts while still being relatively prosperous, whereas other wealthy Islamic states have relatively little culture. It really does seem a pretty ideal place, good tea, rich culture, and incredibly kind people, it really doesn't get better than that.

[Anonymous No.15738887]

>>15738866
Did you have sex with a Persian girl?

[Anonymous No.15738897]

>>15738887
No, I had the opportunity but I don't like sex. Besides, with Iran's relatively progressive laws they could well be a convincing transvestite.

[Anonymous No.15738917]

>>15738897
>I had the opportunity but I don't like sex
>you wouldn't know her, she goes to a different school

[Anonymous No.15738927]

>>15738897
t. I am a virgin and didn't get the opportunity to have sex.

[Anonymous No.15738972]

>>15738897
I get you, but most people won't.

[Anonymous No.15738974]

>>15738917
Kek, I never can convince people that I just don't like sex. Either way, great place, I don't think it fully embraces capitalist modernity, capitalism sure (with little regard to western copyright of course, there's a fair few shops selling DVD rips of western videogames and movies), but without western products I don't think you can really call it modern as it lacks global brands. The aesthetics too are very dated, often artdeco, which is pretty cozy.
>>15738927
That's unfortunate of you anon, you dropped this >

[Anonymous No.15738976]

>>15738897
>I had the opportunity but I don't like sex

[Anonymous No.15738992]

ok test

[Anonymous No.15739017]

>>15738866
>Iran's a lovely place
>Best country in the Middle East I'd say

[Anonymous No.15739019]

>>15738866
>they've managed to hang on to much of their traditional architecture and crafts while still being relatively prosperous, whereas other wealthy Islamic states have relatively little culture
>It really does seem a pretty ideal place, good tea, rich culture, and incredibly kind people, it really doesn't get better than that.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Anonymous No.15739032]

>>15738866
Unironically true.
Iranians are based because they aren't Arabs or Sunni

[Anonymous No.15739055]

>>15739017
>t. Sunni Faggot

[Anonymous No.15739058]

>>15739032
Being not utterly and completely wrong about everything does not make you based. It makes you not utterly and completely wrong about everything.

[Anonymous No.15739081]

>>15738974
>I never can convince people that I just don't like sex
Because dislike of sex is hard to imagine. I can understand if you didn't feel like doing it, but dislike of sex is whole another thing.

[Anonymous No.15739093]

>>15738800
Iran is the most /lit/ country

[Anonymous No.15739113]

>>15739055
Then why do they start sucking my dick as soon as they know my last name?

[Anonymous No.15739750]

>>15738800
No, because only east asian or white people could run Mishima's "ideal society".
If you really think middle-eastern pea brains could run anything other than the disfunctional shithole they already do, you are gravely mistaken.

t. sand-nigger

[Anonymous No.15739773]

>>15738800
Iran is the most /lit/ Eastern county

[Anonymous No.15739812]

>>15738866
Iran could have been so much cooler if the US hadn’t got involved. If we discussing Middle Eastern countries Iran and Saudi Arabia are the Big Two. Saudi Arabia is a capitalist theocratic shithole that is ironically one of Burgerlands “””””closest Allies””””” . Iran at at least wanted to socialize its resources but the Shah was installed and all Economically left groups were purged... so thanks America.
Tldr: Iran is based as fuck and has every reason to hate America.

[Anonymous No.15739842]

>>15738800
holy fuck this video is so based

pure medieval minds right there

[Anonymous No.15740034]

>>15739842
>pure medieval minds right there
Those medieval minds have had sex while the closest thing to intimacy you've ever experienced was simping for a an e thot

[Anonymous No.15740092]

>>15739750
>t. Doesn't understand mishima

[Anonymous No.15740124]

>>15740034
it was a compliment anon

[Anonymous No.15740133]

>>15739812
Yep, all the murals they have around the old embassy depicting the evil Americans are kino. Saudi is a real shitter, lived next door (Bahrain) for a couple years and it's the most dull country I've ever been to. Qatar is also a pretty important player due to being independent from saudi oil money. The Americans really do ruin everything.

[Anonymous No.15740264]

>>15740092
Ya got me there.
I would venture to guess that Mishima's ideal society would be something like Japan today, but with much more patriotism, a strong love for the monarchy, a desire for order, more courage among men, more focus on honor, and a greater desire for beauty, perfectionism and prosperity.
Am I wrong?

[Anonymous No.15740295]

>>15740133
Yeah Qatar is actually pretty based. Starting Al-Jazeera was one of the more big dick moves in the Middle East. It not only pisses off Saudis but Right Wingers in america as well! Overall though, it isn’t good to say any state in the Middle East is really a beacon for progression, but resisting America is probably one of the more important things they could do, before they ever start taking on other societal issues.

[Anonymous No.15740360]

>>15738897
>I don't like sex
That's a blessing. I don't like to eat and I thought it was a curse. Now I think it is a blessing, too.

[Anonymous No.15740362]

>>15738800
That video is based beyond belief.

[Anonymous No.15740441]

>>15740034
I'm still bothered by you misunderstanding my compliment so I want to clarify that I think the Medieval period was a genuinely beautiful time for the west, despite the very real horrors of the age, it was a time when the west was genuinely committed to morality, and a time when the central motivating force was really and truly to create an earthly kingdom of god. I respect the hell out of muslims who seek the same today, because that will has left the west completely.

[Anonymous No.15740509]

>>15740264
What he wants today? Yes. What he wanted a decade ago? The USA today, but with Hillary Clinton chearing it on.

[Anonymous No.15740611]

>>15740509
What the fuck do you mean? Mishima died in the 70s. I doubt he would've ever wanted anything even remotely similar to the US today.

[Anonymous No.15741195]

>>15740362
Farsi has such a beautiful melodic sound to it. It’s one of the sweetest languages out there. Arabic sounds like gurgling cum compared to it lol. I wish we could open up Iran and end our relationship with Saudi Arabia.

[Anonymous No.15741340]

>tfw Anglo-Iranian
Perfectly balanced mix of the Chads of Europe and the Chads of the Middle East checking in.

[Anonymous No.15741374]

>>15738866
In spite of everything, Iran has been fucked for a long time because of how apathetic the people have become towards both Islam and their government.

Iran should not be an Islamic state.

[Anonymous No.15741384]

>>15741340
based, same here bro.

of course, my anglo genes also came with raging alcoholism so over the years i have started looking more and more like a slob and less and less like a sexy, exotic chad.

[Anonymous No.15741395]

>>15739750
Iranians are Caucasian and Aryan.

[Anonymous No.15741408]

>>15741384
Nice, glad to know I'm not alone. What's your favourite Persian dish, anon, and why is it zereshk polo?

[Anonymous No.15741435]

>>15741395
By "white people", I mean western europeans.

[Anonymous No.15741450]

>>15741408
favorite has always been ghormeh sabzi, but i also like fesenjan with fish.

actually, now that i think about it, i think ash reshteh is the fucking king of persian food. it hits the spot 100% of the time, every time.

[Anonymous No.15741466]

>>15741384
I'm Anglo-Pashtun, what does that make me?

[Anonymous No.15741476]

>>15741435
So you have your own definition. Nice.

[Anonymous No.15741495]

>>15741476
Not really. Most people wouldn't consider iranians as white.

[Anonymous No.15741521]

>>15740441
Sorry anon I forgive you. I just thought you were another atheist redditor who believes Islam is bad because women don't have rights in Muslims countries or something snoy like that. I admire catholics as much as Islam, even tho they've been utterly cucked by neoliberalism

[Anonymous No.15741535]

>>15741466
probably sexy, but not as sexy as an iranian.

[Anonymous No.15741540]

>>15741495
youre a retard everyone knows iranians are white

[Anonymous No.15741548]

>>15741450
Yeah, ghormeh sabzi is my number 2. Or maybe Kotlet. I dunno. It's all so fucking good. I'd kill for some kashke bademjan with some freshly baked bread right about now. Can't wait for the restaurants to open up again. Normies can stick their Indian food, they overspice everything and cook the rice wrong.

[Anonymous No.15741560]

>>15738800
Iran is a great country and would be a socialist world superpower if it wasn't for American treachery.

[Anonymous No.15741571]

>>15741535
Pashtuns are iranic, no?

[Anonymous No.15741574]

>>15741560
>socialist superpower
It already is. Islam already is socialist, just without trannies and faggots.

[Anonymous No.15741581]

>>15741548
Holy fuck, kotlet is so goddamn good. My aunt who lives here knows how to make some bomb-ass kotlet.

[Anonymous No.15741585]

>>15741574
Actually they have a lot of trannies lmao scratch that.

[Anonymous No.15741589]

>>15741571
YEAH BUT IT'S NOT THE SAME OK!?

nah, jk, Afghanis are bros.

[Anonymous No.15741594]

>>15741581
pls do not eat kotlet

[Anonymous No.15741597]

>>15741548
You should try Peshwari kebab fuark.

[Anonymous No.15741606]

>>15741585
There is a city in Iran called Qazvin that is always the butt of homosexual jokes. My uncle said that even the birds there fly with one wing behind them.

[Anonymous No.15741609]

>>15741540
idk if cope or troll

[Anonymous No.15741616]

>>15741589
I dunno whether I say I am afghani, my parents are Pakistani Pashtuns. I don’t speak Urdu, only Pashto, and our culture is pretty different from the rest of Pakistan. I identify with my ethnic group Pashtuns than with Pakistan. And Pakistani Pashtuns are pretty much the same as Afghan Pashtuns so...

[Anonymous No.15741622]

>>15741606
My grandma is Iranian but I don't know anything about iran. Probably will never have a chance to visit it considering I'm from the country that hates Iran the most after Saudi Arabia.

[Anonymous No.15741625]

>>15738800
I don't really get the video. Who is warning who?

[Anonymous No.15741626]

Peshwari Chapli Kebab

[Anonymous No.15741629]

>>15738974
i dislike sex too anon. like it's better than idk doing nothing but i won't go out of my way to have sex anymore. too much effort for not enough pleasure. if a girl throws herself at me then yea sure but if i have to do shit idc

[Anonymous No.15741662]

>>15741581
kotlet inside pitta bread with feta cheese and mint is heaven on earth.
>>15741597
I've had some Pashtun food in an Afghani restaurant and it's really similar to Persian. You're one of us lad.

[Anonymous No.15741681]

>>15741622
*srael?

[Anonymous No.15741682]

>>15741662
>kotlet inside pitta bread with feta cheese and mint is heaven on earth

fuck, i am so hungry

[Anonymous No.15741687]

>>15741625
Is islamic history the husaynis during the battle of karbala were a small clan led by the grandson of the Prophet, hussein, who is an incredibly revered imam in Shia Islam against the yazidi clan, who was the second umayyad caliph. It's basically an important battle between sunnis and Shias where hussein was later killed. So in this video the yazidis are sunnis who are allied with the great Satan (Saudis, and Zogmerica mainly)

[Anonymous No.15741695]

>>15741616
fuark i do want to get your opinion on >>15741616

Also, I've never had iranian food. I only know that Iran has a very rich food culture. Need a rundown ASAP.. Whats the common stuff? Big on fish (we say Moyee, I think in Farsi its mahai)?

[Anonymous No.15741697]

>>15741681
No its an Arab country lol. Fuck pissrael.

[Anonymous No.15741718]

>>15741695
it's "ma-hee" in farsi.

vast majority of iranian foods are rich stews that generally look like diarrhea dumped on top of a heaping pile of rice. iranian foods taste way better than they look, which i think sort of acts as a metaphor for the country as a whole.

[Anonymous No.15741722]

>>15741687
So the Husaynis are threatening the west and people think it's based? Cool.
It did sound nice though.

[Anonymous No.15741739]

>>15741722
at least they believe in something beyond pleasure

>>15741687
the poor yazidis man, are there gonna be any left in a hundred years? I guess that's what you get for not being a majority or proselytizing

[Anonymous No.15741760]

>>15741722
Mainly Saudi Arabia, since theyre oil competitors in the region. In the west, Only neocons have a problem with Iran because they're Israeli branded cattle. Democrats and anybody with an iq above 100 knows that Iran can be a useful ally and that they can be easily neutralized. Obama and Merkel understood this. The reality is, Iran isn't really a hostile country at all. They're not even anticapitalist.

[Anonymous No.15741796]

>>15739750
Middle easterners excel both in homoeroticism and innefective aestheticized militaristic chimpouts, I'd say they definitely could fit Mishima's bill.

[Anonymous No.15741811]

>>15741796
Lmao these are the only 2 pillars of a fascist society.

[Anonymous No.15741813]

>>15741739
>at least they believe in something beyond pleasure
So do I, anon, but I wouldn't destroy nations because some people are lost in their pleasure.

[Anonymous No.15741824]

>>15741796
And hating women don't forget that.

[Anonymous No.15741829]

>>15741739
Sunnis are the majority.

[Anonymous No.15741831]

>>15741796
Can't deny that. Pashtun men love fucking eachother for some reason.

[Anonymous No.15741835]

>>15738800
I think certain aspects of Sassanian empire would have appealed to Mishima. For example, during Sassanian empire, it was claimed many Shahanshahs embodied the xᵛarənah, which is the glory and radiance of Ahuramazda. It was also compared with the splendor and glory of the sun. This was somewhat similar to Japan's god-emperor.
Zoroastrianism does have some commonalities with Japanese Shintoism. Obsession with purity, a duality between pure and impure forces, and etc.

[Anonymous No.15741836]

>>15741195
It sounds vaguely Indian, which I guess is it's closest non-Iranic relative, but without the often retarded intonation many Indian languages have.

[Anonymous No.15741851]

>>15741813
They're not proposing to do that, and they're quite right in what they're saying, actually. There actually does exist an alliance between KSA, their Wahhabi proxies, the US, and Israel. Even from a secular perspective, this coalition seems pretty unholy.

Would you expect a people to lie down and accept the will of three of the most violent and aggressive states in the world? Who could respect the US knowing they're simultaneously allied with Israel and Wahhabi while being governed by fundamentalist Protestants and Jews? Such a coalition really seems to believe in nothing but violence and power.

[Anonymous No.15741853]

>>15741796
Mishima did like homoeroticism and aestheticized militaristic chimpouts, but he would've liked them to be done competently and for his society to be livable and prosperous. Middle easterners can't do that.

>>15741811
idk about the homo part. Beautiful militaristic chimpouts are comfy and something to live for at least.

[Anonymous No.15741859]

>>15741829
yeah i know, I said the Yazidis and meant the Yazidis, not the metaphorical yazidis from the video, I mean the Kurds who practice the Old Mesopotamian religion.

[Anonymous No.15741863]

Iran is gay and faggot. Just look at their feminine language HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Anonymous No.15741873]

>>15738866
>good tea

[Anonymous No.15741885]

>>15741851
>The flag of Shia will be erected throughout the whole world
Seems like they're threatening a little more than just their oppressors.

[Anonymous No.15741900]

>>15741863
this, I immediately realized where Armenians spawned from well when i heard that high-pitched screeching they call a language.

[Anonymous No.15741901]

>>15738866
Iranian New Wave cinema is good. Color of Paradise is a very beautiful movie.

[Anonymous No.15741918]

>>15741831
Imagine the average Pashto tribesman but if you conviced him to lift weights religiously and adopt the rich aesthetics sensitivities, martyr worship, of Iranian Shia Islam instead of barren Sunni fundamentalism. Now dress him like Xerxes from the 300 movie and douse him in oil. This is what Mishima would have wanted.

[Anonymous No.15741943]

>>15741885
yeah lol I guess you're right but I can't fault them for their ambition

I still don't think they're as bad as Wahabbis, they clearly want civilization to prevail.

[Anonymous No.15741949]

>>15741853
I'm sure his Japanese sensibilities would play a big part and him being a nationalist would consider his own nation brand of perfectionism and patience superior, but I don't remember values such as efficiency and prosperity to be particularly important for his philosophy.

[Anonymous No.15741966]

>>15741885
>>15741943
I don't think Iran has imperial goals outside of establishing buffers to ward Wahhabi and Israeli influence in its region. Iran has been clear about its regional aspirations of ending Israeli, American, and Wahhabi influence.

[Anonymous No.15742009]

Another Persian here and reading this thread has been very comfy. But you guys should realize modernism has pervaded Iran too, zoomers are especially fond of their anglicism, and somehow college students think it's fashionable to adopt liberal and progressive ideals. Nobody is safe from the american mind-virus.

[Anonymous No.15742049]

>>15741966
Yeah. Iran's imperial goals basically just extend to Iraq and some Shia majority regions but that's about it. The US isn't even bothered by that only Saudi Arabia and hardcore zionists. I think choosing Saudis as an ally instead of Iran was probably a stupid strategic mistake, considering that Saudis are literally just sandniggers while Iranians are more advanced technologically enough to be able to ward off Arabs and Jews and have have a far bigger consumer market.

[Anonymous No.15742072]

>>15741918
Shia in Afghanistan isn't the same in Iran though. Afghans and Pashtuns in Pakistan are some of the most conservative people on the planet. Iranians are way way more liberal than we are.

[Anonymous No.15742073]

>>15742049

[Anonymous No.15742075]

>>15741949
Certainly, he wouldn't have been such a nationalist had he been born a black Ugandan, for example.
He loved Japan because he was Japanese, and believed the Japanese culture and people are capable of accomplishing great things.
You wouldn't love a badly designed machine if it had been doomed to fail from the moment it was conceived, would you?

[Anonymous No.15742082]

>>15742009
Free speech and freedom to practice religion aren't liberal/American ideas. Barbaric countries deny those rights.

[Anonymous No.15742126]

>>15742082
I was thinking about mindless hedonism, materialism, and a lack of spirituality and family ideals but sure. Freedom of speech isn't much different from how it is in the west. When I'm in Iran, I don't dare publically speak against the regime or the religion; when I'm in the US, I don't dare speak against the leftist collective in public. In practice both countries have the same degree of freedom of speech.

[Anonymous No.15742145]

>>15742049
You should read about William E. Simon's petrodollar deal with Saudis in 1974. This was around the time USA pivoted to Saudi Arabia. The Shah actually disagreed with the petrodollar deal, which made William E. Simon called him a "nut". Iran and USA were on increasingly shaky terms even before the Revolution because the Shah was gradually opposing OPEC's demands, especially during the 70s Oil Crisis. In fact, there is some evidence that Carter initially backed Khomeini due to the Shah's lack of cooperation and growing boldness for manufacturing prospects.
America, and by extension most empires throughout history, make geopolitical decisions based on economics and not whether a country is culturally sophisticated or advanced. It is basically realpolitik. America's strategy also involves supporting terrorists whenever convenient too.
I could go in more depth, but this isn't a political thread. I consider contemporary politics and art separate. I don't think it's a measure of a good mind to try to align them.
Iran is culturally more sophisticated than Saudi Arabia because it has better cinema and arts, but that is not much of an accomplishment since Saudi Arabia and much of Gulf Arab region are artificial countries.

[Anonymous No.15742246]

>>15742145
>America practices realpolitik

sure

>most empires throughout history practice real politik

not so much

[Anonymous No.15742251]

>>15741901
Their culture has always had an extreme talent for aestheticism. It's probably just a Mediterranean thing.

[Anonymous No.15742272]

>>15742246
Roman and Sassanian wars were largely about realpolitik from what I've gleaned.
Old Mesopotamian empires also practiced realpolitik, but in an extremely cruel manner that went against interests.
If you're not practically, you can't really sustain an empire or hegemony.

[Anonymous No.15742279]

>>15742272
>practically
practical*
That involves shifting alliances, even with those who are less sophisticated compared to one's enemies.

[Anonymous No.15742333]

>>15742145
The whole reason the Shah even got into power in the first place was because the Brits got made that Mossadegh wanted to nationalise the oil industry. The shah ruled through brutally with SAVAK and ultimately caused his downfall. Ever since then, there's a deep rooted hatred from Iranians in America. America has only itself to blame for how Iran turned out. And we shouldn't forget as well that Saudi Arabia is simply much more useful for America. IIRC, the Americans couldn't believe their eyes when oil was discovered in Saudi Arabia because of how much there was and how cheap the extraction rates are. Unless oil becomes a less useful commodity (either because of changing energy policies or alternative oil producers (both of which are occurring)), the US has no choice to but to be in bed with Saudi Arabia.

[Anonymous No.15742361]

>>15742272
I mean nothing is purely real politik. There are some phenomena we must explain through looking at real politik, at motives and cynical rules. We can't understand why Wahabbis and Israelis would ally with the US which employed former Nazis without considering the expedience and convenience of the alliance to all parties. But we shouldn't neglect the US's irrationality, such as their forfeiting of an overture Vietnamese alliance from Ho Chi Mihn to Kennedy based on ideological blinders and hubris.

Real politik is a really limiting way to think about how states and rules act, and not descriptive of even today's geopolitics, let alone a time when rules genuinely based decisions on the words of their Haruspex.

[Anonymous No.15742401]

>>15742333
I'm not necessarily disagreeing with what you're claiming, but I was saying that bad blood between the Shah and America was increasing before the Revolution. I also do not agree the Revolution was entirely organic. There were aspects of the Revolution which USA engineered during that tumultuous times as certain evidence points out. Also...
>America has only itself to blame for how Iran turned out.
This strips Iranians of their own agency and falls into the "leftist trap", which many conservatives and even disgusting neocons rightly point out. Yes, Iran has been exploited, but to boil all of Iran's problems to American, Israeli, or Saudi shenanigans is disingenuous and treats Iranians as cattle incapable of accepting a degree of responsibility.
The fact remains, the Qajars were immensely incompetent people, and I am highly suspicious of any Qajar descendant, including Mossadegh, who claims to desire power. During the reign of the Qajars, Iran intellectually regressed significantly.
The mullahs are still preferable to MEK/NCRI, which is what USA/Israel/KSA axis is supporting as alternatives. I do not trust Iran "Restart" either, and I agree the best geopolitical approach for Iran right now is to push for American troops to leave the region and contain Israel and Saudi Arabia.

[Anonymous No.15742408]

>>15741695
All I know about Persian food is that my Afghan/Paki ex-gf used to make fun of my Iranian roommate for his bland food and call him a pussy, kind of the same way American mulattos on twitter shitpost about American whites never using any spices and putting ketchup and mayo on everything. The roommate didn't know how to cook anything though and was kinda dumb, so asking him about what his family traditionally made didn't get anywhere either.

[Anonymous No.15742454]

>>15742401
It's rare to find someone educated on 4chan so it's a pleasant surprise to see this comment. Anyway, I haven't read the fine details on the Iranian revolution myself but I'm guessing you're getting the "USA backed Khomeini" from the guardian article about it.
>Yes, Iran has been exploited, but to boil all of Iran's problems to American, Israeli, or Saudi shenanigans is disingenuous and treats Iranians as cattle incapable of accepting a degree of responsibility.
IMO, we (the west) massively underplay our role in other countries domestic affairs. The shah was forcing women to take off the hijab, to adopt western attitudes etc. in a deeply religious shia country. It was always going to blow back. I don't deny that mullahs in Iran have propagandised Iran massively but there is genuine support for the ruling religious people.
>Iran right now is to push for American troops to leave the region and contain Israel and Saudi Arabia.
Fortunately for Iran, it's already happening. I expect the Al Udeid air base in Qatar to close down in a few years. Then, Saudi Arabia will have to either fight Iran alone or find another protectorate (hello Britain and France, we have dates and camels for you).

[Anonymous No.15742458]

>>15742361
The reason Wahhabis and Israelis align with USA is because of complex economic reasons relating to securing trade and oil routes to the Mediterranean. One can compare the Russian-backed Iran-Iraq-Syria pipeline USA backed Qatar-Turkey pipeline as an example, but there is another reason too such as securing routes for trade and, perhaps, the Road-and-Belt Initiative and EEU. They wish to break free from SWIFT, IMF, and World Bank which are tools USA uses to maintain its status as superpower. The deep state of USA is fundamentally non-partisan and composed of think tanks that work in close coordination with corporations in order to ensure economic prosperity of their elites.
>Real politik is a really limiting way to think about how states and rules act, and not descriptive of even today's geopolitics
I disagree in the sense that true causal reason for these conflicts boils down to economics. Gaddafi, for example, was assassinated because he was unwilling to price oil in USD, and the USD largely gets its value from such tricks. It also ties into how USA is able to pay its debts.
The USA's elites are unwilling to accept a multipolar world and prefer a unipolar one.

[Anonymous No.15742467]

>>15742408
Pakistanis fucking load their food with spices, they go fucking nuts with that shit. Have no idea why. Pashtun/Afghan food is, I think, closer to Iranian food than Punjabi/Indian food. Those people go fucking nuts with chilli and spices.

[Anonymous No.15742513]

>>15742408
Apu food tastes of fucking fart. Bland rice too.

[Anonymous No.15742546]

>>15742454
>IMO, we (the west) massively underplay our role in other countries domestic affairs.
I would argue it is typically overplayed or underplayed depending on the political group. The neocons in USA tend to underplay it in order to dehumanize Iranians whereas the Left of USA overplay it to an insane degree, as if Iran could not have had any cultural movements of their own. After the Revolution, many intellectuals were also killed, which again set Iran back in many ways. One serious issue in Iran is the lack of concern for ecological matters.
>in a deeply religious shia country.
I don't agree with this. Iran has a lot of cultural diversity, and it depends on the region we are speaking of. Moreover, getting unbiased statistics for this is difficult for a number of reasons. Much of the people of Rasht and Tehran seem to care little for Shia Orthodoxy the way those of Qom do. I believe USA's present plan involves amplifying such minor cultural and ethnic differences among the local populace in order to promote Balkanization.
>it's already happening
The cynic in me says no. USA gives the impression they're leaving much of the time, only to do a 180 a week later. It is a decoy to placate their own anti-interventionist masses and give false relief of eventual cessation of troops in the region. If I remember correctly, USA claimed it would leave Afghanistan only to bomb them a week later. Same with Iraq. It is a common pattern.

[Anonymous No.15742683]

>>15741466
A double nonce.

[Anonymous No.15742756]

>>15742546
>After the Revolution, many intellectuals were also killed, which again set Iran back in many ways. One serious issue in Iran is the lack of concern for ecological matters.
Obviously, for a moral reason, that was wrong. But from a strategic perspective, can you blame them? The educated populace understood concepts of secularism, free speech and freedom of religion. That's a threat to a shiite theocracy.
>Much of the people of Rasht and Tehran seem to care little for Shia Orthodoxy the way those of Qom do.
Sure, Tehran is more liberal than the holy city of Qom, that's guaranteed. And I suspect if people freely associated, the ruling clergy would be eventually lose their political power. But the few genuine polls that have been down have shown strong support for the ruling government. Obviously, good propaganda will do that. But since the revolution, they've kept their hand on the wheel. (Check out https://www.jstor.org/stable/resrep20428?seq=9#metadata_info_tab_contents))
>The cynic in me says no.
The (long-term) data says otherwise though (see pic).

[Anonymous No.15742806]

>>15738897
>I don't like sex
The post that saved /lit/

[Anonymous No.15742843]

>>15742756
>But the few genuine polls that have been down have shown strong support for the ruling government.
There could be many reasons for this. If the government were toppled, it would make Iran vulnerable from external interference. USA, Israel, or Saudi Arabia may very well take advantage of the chaos to install MEK/NCRI or some other worse alternative. I support the IRI for this reason.
>But from a strategic perspective, can you blame them?
Yes because domestic stability and growth largely comes from intellectuals who are able solve problems in novel ways.
>The educated populace understood concepts of secularism, free speech and freedom of religion.
Arguments can be given against these concepts from ideologues or so forth. Outright killing intellectuals who disagree with common zeigeist can significantly regress the country.
>That's a threat to a shiite theocracy.
I believe I have designed a system better than both secular representative democracy and Shiite theocracy, but I do not want to share it out of fear for plagiarism.
>The (long-term) data says otherwise though (see pic).
It's possible troops are diminishing in numbers because they have better weapons now. Until they're all gone, I'm not convinced of extrapolating too much from this supposed trend.

[Anonymous No.15742895]

>>15741521
?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OvUuw9EhR8k

[Anonymous No.15742958]

>>15742843
Firstly, are you Iranian? Born or diaspora? Just curious.
>install MEK/NCRI or some other worse alternative. I support the IRI for this reason.
Why is MEK worse than IRI? Not disagreeing, just curious.
>Yes because domestic stability and growth largely comes from intellectuals who are able solve problems in novel ways.
Realpolitik - if growth comes at the expense of the ruling regime then the regime will sacrifice it.
>Arguments can be given against these concepts from ideologues or so forth. Outright killing intellectuals who disagree with common zeigeist can significantly regress the country.
Again, the regime wouldn't survive then.
>I believe I have designed a system better than both secular representative democracy and Shiite theocracy, but I do not want to share it out of fear for plagiarism.
? Are you a polsci student? Plagiarism?
>It's possible troops are diminishing in numbers because they have better weapons now. Until they're all gone, I'm not convinced of extrapolating too much from this supposed trend.
Fair point. I would say that the US has reducing interest in Saudi Arabia though. For example, remember the oil facilitiy that was blown up by an Iranian drone? The US shrugged when Saudi Arabia asked for help. That's another point. US shale oil and Albertan oil has meant less interest in the Gulf region as a whole.

[Anonymous No.15743119]

>>15742895
yeah it's just a joke about memri commentators being wild, doubt memri would ever have a show with only catholics and protestants on it

[Anonymous No.15743162]

>>15742958
Both my parents are Iranian, but I was born in USA.
>Why is MEK worse than IRI?
This video explains well:
https://twitter.com/inthenow/status/1059476636226281474
>Again, the regime wouldn't survive then.
Right, my only goal is to prevent USA, Israel, or Saudi Arabia taking advantage of any vulnerabilities within Iran to manipulate its domestic affairs. Whether the regime stands or not is the least of my concerns at present.
>? Are you a polsci student? Plagiarism?
No, but I am a published writer. In the future, I would also like to write of my preferable governmental system.
>US has reducing interest in Saudi Arabia though.
It's possible, but I do not see US having reduced interest in Israel, which is an even bigger problem. They have illegal nukes which throws off the balance of powers in that region.

[Anonymous No.15743208]

>>15743162
>preferable
preferred*

[Anonymous No.15743340]

>>15743162
>Right, my only goal is to prevent USA, Israel, or Saudi Arabia taking advantage of any vulnerabilities within Iran to manipulate its domestic affairs. Whether the regime stands or not is the least of my concerns at present.
A lot of realpolitik theory is that your either with the US and can have some economic growth (whilst having US corporations essentially pillage your country nonetheless) or you become 'independent' but are shut off from the global economy because of US threats. This is what Chomsky speaks of (https://chomsky.info/20090415/).). So I guess it's what you prioritise - economic growth or independence.
>No, but I am a published writer. In the future, I would also like to write of my preferable governmental system.
That's interesting, I could tell that you have read up about Iran and real politik/geopolitics. Without exposing yourself, what exactly do you do? Write on geopolitics?
>It's possible, but I do not see US having reduced interest in Israel, which is an even bigger problem. They have illegal nukes which throws off the balance of powers in that region.
I agree. The US is zealous for Israel but I do want to point out that Obama took a parting shot at Israel on the last days of his administration (https://apnews.com/b8446cbf5b504b1abaf49eb0d646367b).). It's well known that Obama and Bibi despised eachother. IMO, the US electorate is awakening to the bantu policies of Israel. But this is slowly and won't cause meaningful change for 30 years or so. Israeli support is increasingly partisan (GOP support) - there's even a few US democrat senators (Rashida Taleb, Ilhan Omar and a few others, I forget their name) calling out Israel for what it is. An apartheid state.

[Anonymous No.15743444]

>>15743340
I hope this thread is up tomorrow because I’m going to sleep. Hopefully Iranian anon will be around

[Anonymous No.15743453]

>>15738800
>Is Iran the ideal society according to Yukio Mishima?

What