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Are there any good books on Christian libertarianism?

>> No.15713648

>>15713637
>Christian libertarianism
If you identify as this you're either a lousy christian or a lousy libertarian.

>> No.15713674

>>15713648
Explain why. I have always thought that libertarianism is the idea of separation from the state. For example, Christian communities based on libertarian principles could separate themselves from the rest of society. Is this contrary to Christianity?

Also does NAP or the idea of a free market contradict Christianity?

>> No.15713703

>>15713674
Libertarian is inherently linked to materialism and unregulated free market inevitably leads to exploitation. Christ tells you to love and help your neighbour in need, and that is a duty. Libertarians say that you *can* do that, but you have no moral obligation to do so.

>> No.15713714

>>15713703
Libertarians say that you have no enforceable moral obligation to do so, which is precisely what Christ taught. The Good Samaritan is the one who voluntarily helped the person on the side of the road, not the one who robbed those who didn't and then gave the fruits of his rapine to the needy. There's nothing in Christian ethics to sanction coerced "charity."

>> No.15713726

>>15713714
>contorts the idea of the Good Samaritan to further his own materialism
*sigh* as I said, a lousy christian.

>> No.15713781

>>15713703
>Libertarian is inherently linked to materialism
What? No, you are free to do what you want and believe, so long you respect other's people property.

>> No.15713784

>>15713726
The Good Samaritan is the parable that Jesus used to elucidate the meaning of "loving thy neighbor," which is what you mentioned. The Good Samaritan is the one who was charitable and kind, not the one who forced others to be, which is perfectly compatible with what libertarians believe. I did not "distort" anything. Jesus encouraged people to set an example by adopting his teachings in their own conduct, so that others may be persuaded of the power of faith, not to force others to do what is decent and proper.

>> No.15713793

>>15713637
nope
its a contradiction
apathy is a vice

>> No.15713855

>>15713637
God doesn't believe in lolbertarianism. Heaven is a literal theocracy and the laws he commanded to Moses were completely based and redpilled.

>> No.15713897

>>15713855
>libertarianism is a political philosophy that deals with the proper relations between God and man
Anyway, OP, look into the various writings of Tom Woods, Laurence Vance, and Robert Murphy. They're probably the most prominent individuals who promote Christian libertarianism.

>> No.15714012

>>15713726
>>15713793
In the libertarian community, it is not forbidden to obey your religious commandments.

Or do you want to force people to be Christians?

>> No.15714018

>>15713897
Thank you.

I'm from Russia, so I know almost nothing about the tradition of Christian libertarianism.

>> No.15714022

>>15713637
Libertarianism is a philosophy of “Do as thou wilt”, which is the moniker is Satan.

>> No.15714058

>>15714022
Christian principle: do what you want, but God will judge you. You can be a libertarian and a Christian.

>> No.15714063

>>15714022
You are forgetting the part of Love is the Law.

>> No.15714083

>>15713648
>>15713674
>>15713703
idk man, Locke and many of his ilk were rather religious and very much had libertarian leanings

>> No.15714215

>>15714083
Thanks!

>> No.15714899

>>15713637
why is there no apostrophe?

>> No.15714968

>>15713674
Obviously NAP contradicts Christianity. We cannot stop sin if we use that as our moral code. Take usury for example, how can we put an end to it if we follow NAP.

The bible tells us to respect human authority, and that authority is here to punish the bad and reward the good, not be morally neutral and only protect property.

>> No.15714997

>>15713726
How is "don't force people to do things" anti-christian?

>> No.15715005

Christianity is very anarchist and libertarian in nature, only god tells me what to do

>> No.15715165

>>15715005
Give into Caesar what is Caesar's and pay your damn taxes you scumbag

>> No.15715176

>>15713637
The bible flat out says that authorities are instituted by god and that you are obligated to pay taxes

>> No.15715195

Who is that writer/philsopher who had the quote about religion/church that said something like how the church's role isn't to go along with public opinion but to stand as its opposite

>> No.15715215

>>15715165
pay your taxes doesn't mean that there should be taxes or that jesus would advocate for taxation

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>> No.15715377

Taxation is a red herring. (1) Not all libertarians categorically oppose taxes; such a view is espoused only by anarchists; (2) Even those who oppose taxes need not encourage tax evasion and other kinds of unlawful conduct; by the same token, opponents of the war on drugs need not encourage anyone to purchase or use heroin. As for "rendering unto Caesar," that raises the important question of just what is justly Caesar's and should be rendered unto him, which Jesus did not answer. Certainly, he didn't say "always pay taxes!"