/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.15710873]

What am I in for?

[Anonymous No.15710912]

Unreliable narrator, mediocre prose, interesting plot.

[Anonymous No.15710971]

A hearty laugh and many vanilla lattes.

[Anonymous No.15710976]

Kino

[Anonymous No.15710996]

>>15710873
The Truth

[Anonymous No.15711032]

>>15710873
A lot of mother issues.

The kid wanted to be loved. Didn't feel loved at home. Didn't feel loved at school. Didn't feel loved by a girl. That's the truth behind a lot of these people; they really wanted to be loved, and they felt like they were doing everything they should have been doing to be loved. Like Elliot, he tries to copy movies and shit to be more popular with his peers, and he can't understand why it doesn't work. It's really easy to call people like Elliot an incel and a monster, but when you peel back the layers, you find someone with desperate feelings of inferiority trying to feel superior.

Write my dissertation on mass shooters. Some of it is pretty harrowing.

Myron May tried to write his piece like a police report; it's pretty interesting, he tries to be matter of fact about it (possibly from his legal work experience), but often ends up being driven into tangents.
Kip is similar to Elliot, but he also pretends to have schizophrenia.
Seung Hui Cho has some really fuckin' weird fetish-tier stories in his fictional works; his manifesto is mostly incomprehensible nonsense.
Dylann Roof is an amazing example of Sapir Whorf cognitive relativity; you notice the tone and language change drastically as it progress. (Starts off with Jewish and ends up at jew after talking about black people; interesting stuff.)

[Anonymous No.15711041]

>>15710873
he dies at the end

[Anonymous No.15711044]

>>15711032
Yikes, i'm not reading any of this incel apology, have sex

[Anonymous No.15711063]

>>15711044
Not a virgin, cheers. Sometimes reading is about understanding the human condition, and sometimes that means you have to look at the things that aren't comfortable to look at.

[Anonymous No.15711077]

>>15711063
Cope

[Anonymous No.15711178]

>>15711032
>It's really easy to call people like Elliot an incel and a monster,
Mostly because he was an incel and he was a monster.

[Anonymous No.15711194]

>>15711178
You misspelled hero.

[Anonymous No.15711203]

>>15711077
Nah, he's right.
You're a dumb cunt.
Nothing happens for no reason.

[Anonymous No.15711205]

>>15711178
But that's not the whole story.

[Anonymous No.15711233]

>>15711205
There's nothing in his story that justifies or mitigates him sticking his roommate like a pig 94 times.

[Anonymous No.15711243]

>>15710873
A classic

[Anonymous No.15711261]

>>15711233
I'm not defending his actions, but you need to understand that there is a difference between understanding their reasoning, and believing they're justified; we can't afford to conflate the idea of looking to understand their reasoning, as wanting to believe they were justified. It's much more valuable to understand why people do these things, how we can identify them early, and how we can prevent them. It is unproductive to point at attempts to understanding in anger fuelled by a belief in an attempt to justify.

[Anonymous No.15711312]

A person who had some serious mental health issues. This should've been a lesson that we need to improve our mental health system and find ways to prevent such tragedies. But instead, the aftermath was like the other similar tragedies.

[Anonymous No.15711426]

>>15711261
I understand why he did it. He's also a monster.

[Anonymous No.15711437]

>>15711426
Spoken like an unparalleled ignoramus.

[Anonymous No.15711502]

>>15711032
do u have a doi? Anything related we could read?

[Anonymous No.15711507]

>>15711437

[Anonymous No.15711603]

>>15711502
Afraid not.

I tried to adopt a similar methodology to forensic linguistic analysis of suicide notes; suicide notes tend to have certain things in them, like they'll usually apologise or blame loved ones. I prototyped one of the manifestos, and then used that as a groundwork to categorise each phrase based on the pragmatic intent to try and create a genre analysis pattern. That didn't really work out either. What I ended up finding was a pattern in syllables/utterance based on the theme of the writing: when the perpetrators of mass violence discussed an attack, or their intended victims of an attack, the syllable count spikes upwards.

I pooled research from multiple fields (Langman has a large body of works) including linguistics, psychology, criminology, humanities... There isn't really rigorous multi-disciplined study on these issues, which leads to a lot of blind spots.

I predicted that people would exhibit similarities in the way they write based on their emotional state, but I didn't expect it to be in syllable count. I expected it to be a much more abstract issue (like an increase in words associated with violence, or more themes of violence; some sort of obvious pattern). A lot of shooters have seen medical professionals, in Elliot's case, his therapist had seen his writings but not alerted authorities. It felt like we had to understand them to be able to identify these attacks before they happen in situations like that. It's not ok that a therapist saw his writings but couldn't identify him as a threat.

The lack of multidisciplinary research makes it really hard to research these guys thoroughly. Honestly, I wouldn't recommend reading any of this stuff without a stomach for it. I got really sick of reading these things after the 20th time.

[Anonymous No.15711615]

>>15711032 This >>15711502

[Anonymous No.15711646]

>>15711312
>just throw more money at useless cunts and world will become gooder
kys liberal

[Anonymous No.15711664]

>>15710971
why was he such a coffeepleb?

[Anonymous No.15711825]

>>15711437
Not really. You sound really invested in him receiving our sympathy.

[Anonymous No.15711894]

>>15711825
>Claims to understand something we barely understand
>Uses an us/them othering dichotomy to justify it
Nah, it's textbook ignorance.

[Anonymous No.15711920]

>>15711437
A person can be turned into a monster.

[Anonymous No.15711946]

>>15711894
I sorry that you think the pathetic psyches and motivations of murderers are particularly complex.

[Anonymous No.15711956]

>>15710873
Narcissistic personality disorder: the book. It's not really unique in that regard since clinical narcissists love to write their shit down in excruciating detail. It's fucking hilarious how similar it is to Molyneux's first book. The whole affair is "Here is a BIG BAD THING that happened to ME and it was REALLY SIGNIFICANT and things were NEVER THE SAME and NO ONE UNDERSTOOD but now I will MAKE YOU UNDERSTAND becaure it is REALLY FUCKING IMPORTANT that you understand because did I mention how FATALLY SIGNIFICANT IT WAS and furthermore it is WHY I AM THE WAY I AM and you MUST UNDERSTAND IT YOU MUST YOU MUST YOU MUST MY ENTIRE SELF-IMAGE DEPENDS ON YOU UNDERSTANDING MY HANGUPS AND I WILL FUCKING KILL YOU IF YOU DON'T"

[Anonymous No.15711985]

>>15711946
>noooo don't try to understand the causes, just call them a monster, just take everything at face value that'll work out!
What monster was ever stopped by being called a monster?

[Anonymous No.15711994]

>>15711985
dracula

[Anonymous No.15712017]

>>15711985
Who said anything about not trying to understand causes? I said I understand him (he's not really difficult to understand), however, he's also still a monster.

[Anonymous No.15712021]

>>15712017
> I said I understand him (he's not really difficult to understand)
:) k

[Anonymous No.15712332]

I’m not a virgin, an outcast, or terribly resentful towards the world around me, but something about reading pieces of his manifesto always makes me feel a little anxious and sick. I’m worried that I can relate to him in terms of feeling like a perpetual misfit, and being relatively late when it comes to adapting to norms. I even had an unpleasant step mother that never trusted me for some reason, and that’s caused a lot of unsolved insecurity on my part. Maybe I’m not so much relating to him as much as I’m relating to an increasingly more common sort of anomie felt by males around my age, but even having a slight proximity to a character like him makes me uneasy. I don’t like to think about it.

I imagine there’s some other anons that feel this way, even if they don’t want to admit it.

[Anonymous No.15712376]

>>15711646
>Let's not solve the issue at all and cause more problems in the process
Are you just pretending to be an idiot?

[Anonymous No.15712485]

We could have saved him bros..

[Anonymous No.15712504]

>>15712017
Wrong, he's a martyr for the cause of bringing awareness to the failures of the modern world.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » No.15712506]

>>15712485
I would have saved those people, yes.

[Anonymous No.15712510]

>>15710873
The last like two pages are unironically pretty interesting reading when he announces that it’s all over, and you know what’s coming after that with a sense of inevitabilitly and dread when the book breaks off. It kind of reminds me of that Dahmer movie that broke off right before he committs his first murder.

>>15712332
I feel this, and it’s much worse when you’re a virgin but have nothing really to blame it on when you’ve had a pretty good upbringing and opportunities but bungle it all yourself through your not-quite-autism but definitely not normiedom either. Speaking for a friend of course haha

[Anonymous No.15712631]

>>15711178
Retard

[Anonymous No.15712690]

>>15710873
Am I on /lit/? Something about this thread feels off.

[Anonymous No.15712709]

The part about the lottery tickets had me literally laughing out loud. His schemes were so ridiculous they were like something out of a sitcom.

[Anonymous No.15712711]

>>15711032
underrated post

[Anonymous No.15712727]

>>15711032
What is your take on Adam Lanza? He's something of an outlier to me.

[Anonymous No.15712741]

>>15711603
you might be putting the horse before the cart here. after all, tortured outside mass shooter has been a prominent culture archetype since the 90's. there's little reason to use syllable counts to measure emotional state when shooter manifestos are already following an established form. think about how all #metoo mini-essays read so similar to the point where they could have been written by the same person

[Anonymous No.15712760]

>>15711205
No, but it's the part that matters

[Anonymous No.15712805]

>>15711603
>It's not ok that a therapist saw his writings but couldn't identify him as a threat.
If potentially violent people know therapists will rat them out, they won't bother to speak to them.

[Anonymous No.15712817]

>>15712727
I'm not a truther but Sandy Hook had some weird things around it that I haven't been able to rationalize, like that father of one of the slain children who's being candidly recorded bantering/laughing just seconds before, then preparing himself to give a teary-eyed speech

[Anonymous No.15712829]

You're in for a classic, OP.

[Anonymous No.15712859]

>>15711825
Has nothing to do with sympathy and us/them, you insipid twat. The other poster is clearly saying understand them as best you can don't leave it at shallow hatred. It's weird that you would hate someone you don't really know or will ever be effected by too. You're probably more invested in the matter than the guy just trying to best understand, despite leaving it at such a childish conclusion.

[Anonymous No.15713162]

>>15711312
If anything needs investing in, its eugenics

[Anonymous No.15713311]

>>15711032
>(Starts off with Jewish and ends up at jew after talking about black people; interesting stuff.)
I think coexisting with blacks is the cause of a lot of psychological issues. I think Americans have been having trouble with this for at least a century.

[Anonymous No.15713587]

>>15712485
He was too good for this earth.

[Anonymous No.15713617]

>>15712741
>think about how all #metoo mini-essays read so similar to the point where they could have been written by the same person
Ok but I'm literally telling you I ran a genre analysis on them and found that there weren't patterns in the rhetorical moves. I used syllable count as a baseline, but it ended up showing more than I thought it would.

>>15712805
You know that's literally a legal thing, right? If you say to a therapist, I'm going to go bonk this person, they by law have to call the police.

>>15712727
I actually haven't read anything he wrote.

>>15712332
>I’m worried that I can relate to him in terms of feeling like a perpetual misfit, and being relatively late when it comes to adapting to norms.
Look, as someone that literally studied them, a very particular way of thinking emerges. It's as I said >>15711032 the people that do these sorts of crimes, feel very inferior in the world. They then try to correct that with something, that in their mind, would logically work. When it doesn't it reinforces that inferiority, until you have someone that feels inferior inside, and superior outside, and those two mentalities end up working in opposition to one another. It breeds a very particular cycle of self loathing.

I would be lying if I said that I wasn't at least in part driven by a desire to know what makes them different; could anyone do something like this? But the answer is, that it's unlikely. The people that do these things have a particular way of thinking that depends on a level of detachment from reality.

[Anonymous No.15713622]

>>15711233
Not justification, but there certainly is insight on how his mind works and what can be done to prevent future tragedies. Uncomfortable truths should be acknowledged.

[Anonymous No.15713644]

>>15713617
>Ok but I'm literally telling you
>You know that's literally a legal thing, right?
>Look, as someone that literally studied them,

[Anonymous No.15713652]

>>15713644
Did I run a genre analysis? Yes.
Is it a legal requirement for mental health care professionals to alert the police if a patient is going to commit a violent crime? Yes.
Did I study mass shootings? Yes.

All of those statements are literally true.

[Anonymous No.15713914]

>>15713652
I ran a genre analysis on your posts and it came back positive for FAGGOT

[Anonymous No.15713934]

The book reads like Bret Easton Ellis doing a comedy.

[Anonymous No.15713964]

I was celibate for a long while but I never was able to empathize with Elliot. To me, the defining aspect of his condition was mental illness, not inceldom. He was extremely narcissistic and completely lacking in self-awareness. I think much of this was inherent to him. His upbringing was far from ideal, but not dysfunctional to a degree that justifies such extreme issues. He was an ill individual fundamentally lacking in character.

[Anonymous No.15714574]

>>15713914
>>>/b/
More your speed.

[Anonymous No.15714719]

>>15712859
>t. seething incel
Imagine not hating a murderer of innocent people.

[Anonymous No.15714877]

Dark comedy of an elite level. A villain written as too preposterous to be read as sincere againt the grand irony of him really existing.

Elliot roger trancends the likes of doatoyevskys 'crime and punishment' which dabbles in a similar set of ideas. While in doatoyevskys work raskolnikov follows through on his metaphysical philosophy of moral exemptions afforded to those that can truly change the world, the author himself could never commit. Undermining his own ideas.

Elliot rogers manifesto may not reach the linguistic peaks of more experienced authors. Yet his advancements outweigh that of the frozen 'thinker' by infusing an objective vitality in to his ideas.

To devote ones life in moment a blazing fire becomes in of itself a demonstration such ideological purity and unencumbered thinking that one becomes obliged to take them seriously. Much like the seppaku idealised, and eventually enacted by mishima roger seeks to sacrifice his own life and the lives of others so that his ideas may live. The fact he did this as a young man with his material work still incomplete outshines even mishimas suicide which was only done once the mans earthly purposes were largely complete.

Elliot not only of a life lived but an unlived life for him and his victims ensured the eternal life 'elliot roger - supreme gentlemen' as modern myth

[Anonymous No.15714951]

>>15714877
Good post, also checked. You actually convinced me to eventually give this Manifesto a read. Which previously I only considered a meme.

[Anonymous No.15714953]

Incel thread? Incel thread.

[Anonymous No.15714957]

>>15714953

[Anonymous No.15714961]

>>15714957

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[Anonymous No.15714970]

[Anonymous No.15714973]

>>15714953
>>15714957
>>15714961
>>>/b/
>>>/pol/
>>>/r9k/
Take your pick. Don't spam your shitty infodump here.

>>15714877
>>15714951
Thing is, I don't think it was always his intent to hurt others. I think he began writing it for a different purpose, like some sort of rags to riches or my struggle esque story, which I think is interesting unto itself.

[Anonymous No.15714983]

>>15714973

[Anonymous No.15715056]

>>15711956
based!!! for real.

[Anonymous No.15715232]

>>15713617
I´ve been reading through your answers. About half of what you´re saying irritates me and the other half you seem to hit the nail on the head on. The lack of love-thing is a truism that you have to be more concious of. There is mental-health issues at play here that counts for the pathologies your describing, which you seem to disregard, again wih regards to your refering to lack of love as an explanation. (It is my belief that true love has healing properties/health benefits, so that would eradicate these ill behaviours to begin with and hence, as i said, i think makes "love" a truism in this case.)

I like what you´re saying about the detached worldview, also i dont know if you grasp the freudian depth of
>they then try to correct that with something, that in their mind, would logically work. When it doesn't it reinforces that inferiority, until you have someone that feels inferior inside, and superior outside, and those two mentalities end up working in opposition to one another. It breeds a very particular cycle of self loathing.

Also your syllable finding is crazy! I find it super interesting. I´d urge you to look up Dolf Zillmans work on excitation transfer!

Sorry for drunk writing.

[Anonymous No.15715238]

>>15714970
>tfw tall with decent frame and jaw
>ridiculous 6 inches wrists

[Anonymous No.15715258]

>>15711032
>it's easy to call these people incels, but truth si it's deeper than that
>lmao this guy was a schizo, this one was a fucking FREAK in bed haha wait till you hear about this guy

[Anonymous No.15715301]

>>15715232
>There is mental-health issues at play here that counts for the pathologies your describing, which you seem to disregard,
The issue I take with just defining people based on mental health, is that a lot of diagnoses are symptomatic, inconsistent, and we also don't really have grasp on cause and effect in those cases. I've had my own battles with 'mental health', and each time I've become less sure of its existence as an actual ailment, rather than just a product of circumstance. It's not to say mental health conditions don't exist, there are absolutely physiological factors that can define someone's mental state (such as brain activity/patterns - lack of amygdala activation in ASPD etc.) but that's not how we tend to diagnose these issues.

It just leaves that air of skepticism about me. It's very convenient to say 'this person was mentally ill', rather than 'this person was put into circumstances that led to mental illness; what were those circumstances?'.

>I like what you´re saying about the detached worldview, also i dont know if you grasp the freudian depth of
Well, I'm a linguist; the closest thing I had to work from was a Jungian psycholinguistic analysis of some of these works by Dr L. Hamlett.

(Hamlett, L. E. (2017) Common Psycholinguistic Themes in Mass Murderer Manifestos. PhD, Walden University, Walden University ScholarWorks.)

>Also your syllable finding is crazy! I find it super interesting. I´d urge you to look up Dolf Zillmans work on excitation transfer!
Made a note of it. Thanks!

[Anonymous No.15715316]

>>15713652
I'm confused, did you think he was calling into question the veracity of your statements?

[Anonymous No.15715384]

>>15715301
>The issue I take with just defining people based on mental health, is that a lot of diagnoses are symptomatic, inconsistent, and we also don't really have grasp on cause and effect in those cases.

Welcome to the party!

[Anonymous No.15715406]

>>15714953
>family

[Anonymous No.15715449]

>>15715384
Well, we can either say it's mental illness, when plenty of people with these illnesses don't commit crimes these crimes (and keep in mind, a lot of people on these lists including Gang Lu, Kip Kinkel, and Elliot Roger were seeing mental health professionals), then there's clearly more to understanding this picture than mental illness.

[Anonymous No.15716103]

>>15714957
Why does it always come as a surprise to people that physical attractiveness is the primary determinant in winning over people of the opposite sex?

[Anonymous No.15716164]

>>15714719
He's mentally ill, and he's a product of a sick society.

[Anonymous No.15716239]

>>15715238
>6 inch wrist
Is this actually a problem?
I have a 6.5 inch wrist, but granted i'm a 128 pound 5'10 twink

[Anonymous No.15717149]

>>15715301
>>15715449
You can't blame everything on mental illness but you can't blame everything on their surrounding either. There are very few cases where it can be blamed on one particular cause. That doesn't mean people shouldn't try to find ways to prevent these things from happening.

[Anonymous No.15717159]

>>15716164
So? You can say that about most of non monstrous people.

[Anonymous No.15717212]

>>15717159
>most
Not him but you're going to need some stats for that.

[Anonymous No.15717255]

I'm reading it right now.

It seems pretty good.
I can totally identify with all of the anxiety he's expressing about school social life.
It's pretty funny watching how transparently motivated everything he does is around being popular.
I think I remember wanting to like or know about popular things in school, but I don't ever remember specifically wanting to be popular and I too was a shy child.

[Anonymous No.15717266]

>>15717212
Most mentally ill aren't violent. That's a fairly well established fact.

[Anonymous No.15717573]

>>15717149
>You can't blame everything on mental illness but you can't blame everything on their surrounding either
Thanks for the tip anon. Some hard hitting insights here.

[Anonymous No.15717596]

>>15717255
>It's pretty funny watching how transparently motivated everything he does is around being popular.
>I think I remember wanting to like or know about popular things in school, but I don't ever remember specifically wanting to be popular and I too was a shy child.

What did you think of my initial response? >>15711032

[Anonymous No.15717604]

>>15717255
>how transparently motivated everything he does is around being popular.
The candid nature of My Twisted World struck me the most. He really feels no embarassment or shame in being honest about himself. There isn't a hint of irony anywhere in the text.

[Anonymous No.15717623]

>>15711032
Did you see that interview on some French Arab TV channel in North Africa his father did with his new wife about some shitty new media project they were working on? At one point the interviewer asks if he had any regrets in life, and he's just like "no, not really". Like letting your son grow up to be a murderer who kill himself wasn't a regret? Or did he think no one that watches that channel would know who his son was so he just lied about it? Either way, it shows the kind of person his father was.

[Anonymous No.15717637]

>>15716103
When I was growing up in the 80s and 90s it was just sort of a given that hot people are going to fuck more. How did millennials get so entitled to think that being ugly and out of shape wouldn't affect their life? I blame the Gen X parents for this shit.

[Anonymous No.15717667]

>>15717596
I personally think the issue is more with his father.
His mother seems very loving, if not spoiling him, but loved nonetheless.

His father doesn't seem to have ever set a strong masculine model for him, as a result of the divorce and his father traveling for work most of the time, and his general preference for spending time with his mother.

He only ever seems proud that his father was able to find a second wife so quickly after the divorce, he never really mentions any sincere emotional connection with him.

I'm not in psych whatsoever but I do like to play armchair psych with a mechanical/mathematical understanding of neural networks.

As further identification with him, as a timid child, I always felt a narrative drama to my life.
There were times I felt narcissistically divine, as a kid, not in base desire for materialism, but that the world was ultimately narratively built around me.
I thought some cosmic narrative force like in a movie or book would come and push me into a relationship with a girl, or that a girl would see the value in me and reach out to me, rather than me ever actively doing anything to pursue a woman.

I could easily just be projecting that onto him, but I sense that from the writing in combination with the frequent association with movies and narcissism.
When he hits that brick wall of adolescence and loses that innocence he wasnt able to accept mortality.

[Anonymous No.15717670]

>>15717604
Which makes it all the more mind boggling the fact that people still debate the reasons as for why he did what he did. He wanted to be loved, sexually satisfied and acknowledged, despite lacking the sociability and attitude to make those things possible; and when confronted with this realization, decided that he had nothing to lose and that he had to lash out in bloody murder.

[Anonymous No.15717692]

>>15717623
>>15717667
Yeah his admiration seems to come from his father's STATUS rather than who his father was; he seemed to outright loath his stepmother. It's good to hear your takes; what do you think about it stylistically reflecting a biographical drama? The way he writes and presents his life, feels like he's trying to write a movie about it, but it's a movie where he's still the loser at the end; I don't think he wrote 150 pages about his life, with an intent to kill upon its completion.

[Anonymous No.15717720]

>>15717670
I think the fact that he was decent looking and very wealthy and aware of it left him with no excuses to help him cope. He could have took an easier way out and just became morbidly obese and used that as an excuse. Personally, I use being poor as an excuse. When people ask me why I'm not married or even have a gf, I'm just like I can't afford that shit. And if I ever have money where I can, I sure won't tell anyone about it. Then again if I actually had an obviously middle class job like bugman programmer, etc. it wouldn't take much effort to a find a gold digger somewhere.

[Anonymous No.15717722]

>>15717692
It feels like another attempt at grandiose redemption.
Like a way to try and trade his misery into commodity.

>If people read this, maybe people will really understand his pain, and I'll become famous and somebody will have sex with me.

[Anonymous No.15717743]

>>15717722
>Projecting your literary fantasies on some guy who doesn't give a shit about literature

I don't think he was trying to be a writer. There is none of the usual "protagonist is a struggling writer" crap wannabe writers throw into their shit.

[Anonymous No.15717763]

>>15717743
>There is none of the usual "protagonist is a struggling writer" crap wannabe writers throw into their shit.
I dunno, I could see some of it being read that way. I felt more like it was a biodrama, not because he was trying to be a writer, but because he was trying to ape his dad's success.

[Anonymous No.15717768]

>>15717743
>I don't think he was trying to be a writer.

I didn't say he was.
He just thought it might work.

[Anonymous No.15717858]

>>15712690
No, it's become r/foreveralone now. A pity party of loveless losers fitting others into stereotypes and categories to deliver ultimatums such as "ignoramus" and "normie" while complaining about others doing the same to them. The abyss has stared back.

[Anonymous No.15717881]

>>15712760
no, that's the part you saw on the news.

[Anonymous No.15717898]

>>15717858
It's because all the businesses are opening up again right at peak summer, so the FOMO came rushing back for everyone after a three month reprieve.

[Anonymous No.15717905]

>>15712332
Lately I’ve been feeling like this a lot more than in the past and I think it’s because the pandemic has severely limited my social daily interactions. I’ve been spending a lot of time being drunk as shit and a lot of the time I end up texting chicks that I’m attracted to some genuinely bizarre and deeply regretful nonsense that over time pisses them off and causes them to block me. When I get my regular dose of satisfying social interaction I can usually keep this sort of behavior at bay, but lately it’s become pretty bad, especially in conjunction with my senseless alcoholism.

I’m becoming desperate for female attention from females who have no romantic interest in me. I don’t think I’ll do anything insane like Rogers, but I feel like my pathetic behavior is definitely a less autistic, but equally off-putting version of his violent insanity. I’m starting to despise myself because of this and can’t fucking wait for this goddamn pandemic to be over with so I don’t continue taking my frustration and boredom out on my female friends.

[Anonymous No.15717909]

>>15717858
>r/foreveralone
jesus christ at least say /r9k/ you fucking redditfag

[Anonymous No.15717915]

>>15714877
You are attempting to write in a starry-eyed, poetic manner, but it's all for naught, considering the absurd conclusions. As if the frozen "thinker's" books are not infused with an objective vitality and a lifetime of experiences. Sure, he was able to go off and kill, but after how much time? He's not strong-willed or admirable if it took a lifetime of sniveling envy and narcissism to push him to do it, and what does he have to show for it? It was a purely nihilistic act- he killed others and himself, benefitting no one.

>so that his ideas may live
He has no worthwhile ideas to speak of. His manifesto is best read as a comedy with a tragic twist ending. This praise of yours is like praising the cow for giving you it's shit, so you can use the shit as compost. It never meant to produce something of worth. It didn't even produce anything of inherent worth, you just manage to turn a profit (nugatory as it is) from its defecation. "Supreme gentleman" sounds more like "coprolith" than "modern myth" to me

[Anonymous No.15717927]

>>15717909
What's so bad about browsing reddit when I dislike almost everyone on it? Same is with 4chan

[Anonymous No.15717960]

If you don’t think this guy calling himself “The Supreme Gentleman” is the funniest fucking thing of the 21st century, then you can just go to hell.

[Anonymous No.15717961]

>>15711032
>(Starts off with Jewish and ends up at jew after talking about black people; interesting stuff.)
what did he mean by this?

[Anonymous No.15717974]

>>15717961
I think there's a lot said in that transition. 'jew' is considered worse than saying 'jewish', and the capital letter says something by itself.

[Anonymous No.15717978]

>>15717960
It's kind of based though because he's completely unironic about it.

[Anonymous No.15717993]

>>15711956
>you care too much about something, that means you're a narcisssist
imagine pathologizing normal human behavior because you're a pathetic drone with empty mental contents

[Anonymous No.15718028]

>>15717978
That’s exactly why it’s the most comical irony imaginable. The dude’s lack of self-awareness was at a cosmic level of density.

Just hearing the phrase “supreme gentleman” causes me to crack a wide smile.

[Anonymous No.15718470]

>>15717573
>Some hard hitting insights here.
What's with the sarcasm? I'm just trying to contribute to the discussion

[Anonymous No.15718649]

>>15717960
he certainly was

[Anonymous No.15719787]

>>15711032
>Starts off with Jewish and ends up at jew after talking about black people; interesting stuff.)
What did he mean by this

[Anonymous No.15719892]

>>15712727
>>15713617
>I actually haven't read anything he wrote.

I've read a few snippets of forum posts he'd made dumped in various threads here around the time it happened.

He was very clever with a good use of vocabulary without coming off as a tryhard. Critical and even cynical yeah, but definitely not shooter material. Especially not the kind of person who would randomly gun down a bunch of elementary schoolers.

[Anonymous No.15719908]

>>15713617
This guy is literally an FBI profiler data mining our shitposts

[Anonymous No.15719916]

>>15711956
>Narcissistic personality disorder
I hate you faggots who attempt to pin “disorders” on everybody. Kill yourself.

[Anonymous No.15719924]

>>15719908
Man who isn't datamining 4chan?

[Anonymous No.15721829]

>>15715238
HAHAHAHA FUCKING KEK
Funniest post on 4chan I've seen today

[Anonymous No.15721835]

>>15710873
one of the worst books in your life written bya former spec ops tranny that sold his mother for a nickle and a penny for si ckle

- "Nothing in the world made my precum taste any different"
-Olive Rodger

[Anonymous No.15723278]

>>15719908
Lol I'm not FBI, I'm a worthless neet like the rest of 4chan because my career fell through.

[Anonymous No.15723486]

>>15710873
He was a retard that thought women should come up to him and ask him out on a date. This isn’t Japan or some gay anime. Cringe American culture dictates that you have to beat her over the head with a club and drag her back to your cave. Not the other way around. It’s stupid but he should have just dealt with it.

[Anonymous No.15723740]

>>15719892
>He was very clever with a good use of vocabulary without coming off as a tryhard. Critical and even cynical yeah, but definitely not shooter material. Especially not the kind of person who would randomly gun down a bunch of elementary schoolers.

I don't want to read any more of them at the moment. It takes its toll, reading, re-reading, and then categorising and analysing everything. It's more than a brief flick through, it's trying to discover the pattern, and because of that I became too familiar with their contents. After months of doing that, it really begins to wear on you. Not sure I could stomach reading more of them at the moment.

One of the things that makes Elliot interesting is his clear lapse in conviction throughout the attacks. I suspect he stabbed his room mate, the shock put him in a state of apathy where he convinced himself he was capable of executing his attack, but as the shock wore off with the apathy, he realised how ridiculous it was, the graveness of his mistakes.

[Anonymous No.15723950]

>>15711032
Dylann saw himself as a martyr anti-villain hero, in that he sacrificed his own life and reputation for an evil deed for just ends.

He went through life bored and totally disengaged, extreme anomie, nothing to be passionate about, like many of us. But he did care about the state of the world, and one apparent problem to him was the growing strain of race relations. He saw blacks killing and vilifying whites and the media and government covering up for them and inciting them.

A simple no-bullshit youth of action, he figured the only way to fix this was to wake up whites from their stupor by provoking blacks into launching the necessary race war themselves. What he unfortunately hadn't realized due to lack of experience and study is that whites are huge pussies who were never going to do shit no matter how bad things got---their hand could never be forced. He also failed to understand how the Jews and their masters manipulate the situation---blacks aren't uncontrolled chaos.

So the end result is he threw away his life for basically nothing. However, he did state his own conscience would not allow him to simply do nothing, to be yet another bystander assenting to white genocide. So if he could do it all over again, he probably still would. His apparent only regret at this point is that aforementioned naivete, since it bolstered his pride in refusing to appeal the death penalty for himself via insanity plea on account of his willingness to be a martyr for a cause surely at hand. So he lost everything and gained nothing he wanted.

[Anonymous No.15723966]

>>15712727
It was a falseflag shooting. It either didn't happen at all (the likely event), or he was brainwashed into committing it or at least taking the fall. MKULTRA sort of thing.

There is a purported call-in to a radio show he did where you kind of a get a sense for who he is and where his head was at, nothing too disturbing, but again it's in doubt because the fact the shooting even occurred is so untenable.

[Anonymous No.15724076]

>>15711603
You're looking at the wrong places. You needed to hone in on the narrative they weave themselves into and how they symbolize themselves and their own lives. "The Supreme Gentleman" is inherently a part of the Nice Guy narrative surrounding dating and attraction, rooted in the (false, mistaken) idea that females respond positively to displays of courtesy and civility.
Dylann Roof called himself "The Last Rhodesian" which signifies a state that has expired and people that have been extincted who used to keep the negro under control. There's a sense of desperation in this epithet that contrasts with The Supreme Gentleman but both nevertheless connote implications of overqualification for their assumed roles. They see a mission of wrongs that must be corrected and only they can do it.
In both cases, you get a sense of grand finality from the use of hyperbole---unsympathetic observers would call this "blowing things out of proportion".
Lastly mention Nikolas Cruz. I don't recall his words (from a video) to the letter but he defined himself according to others' perception of him to justify his reprisal, such as mentioning his peers calling him a retard. He felt giddy about his upcoming revenge, as he obviously felt he had nothing to lose at that point---a result of extreme alienation from everyone around him via doubts of his worth.

[Anonymous No.15724160]

>>15711956
When you discover that despite trying your best to be good, you've been lied to with no rewards forthcoming, and everyone around you refuses to acknowledge it, it's terribly frustrating and one can't help but fixate on the refusal to listen or try to make sense of the situation. Normalfaggots just keep pushing abnormals, whether that's blowing them off or full-on bullying them, until the animosity reaches a fever point, and that can result in the most extreme cases of violent lashings out. Deep down anybody who experiences this doesn't want anyone else to ever have to suffer the same fate, and there's no better way to prevent it from happening again than to make normalfaggots afraid to ever do it again. It's not just about revenge for people who take the time to write manifestos, it's about taking one for the team, even when they feel themselves utterly alone and friendless. It's actually rather noble, as they're Christ-like figures in this respect.

Everything you wrote is a common sentiment and is why this problem will never go away. The only reason it isn't more widespread is because suicide is still more popular due to social guilt and such.

[Anonymous No.15724187]

>>15712332
>I imagine there’s some other anons that feel this way
If so, then you're pussies. You don't need to be a brainlet and think the only solution is to go out and kill people, but doing jackshit fuck-all to correct these issues is just as shameful.
Turning away from the instinct that something is terribly wrong is utterly disgusting. Normalfags don't even have the luxury of having that instinct, and you want to be like them, just going through life keeping things out of sight and out of mind?

[Anonymous No.15724195]

>>15712504
>failures
According to whose standard?

[Anonymous No.15724210]

>>15723740

You're a huge pussy dude. Try reading about bloody aristocratic feuds or read some avant garde literature. Fuck you pussy this isn't social media and you don't have to feign softness and sentimentality to fit in

[Anonymous No.15724214]

>>15724076
>No, don't use scientific, provable, patterns to find a way to predict when someone is serious about violence
>Use THEMATIC IDEAS and NARRATIVES
Yeah, I specifically did my analysis because I felt like the psycho analyses done were largely based on nonsense (Freudian or Jungian psychology) that held no merit in being provable, or understanding how we can identify plausible perpetrators of these crimes. Thank you for your suggestion, but it is entirely antithetical to the purpose of my research, and I won't be taking it into consideration because the method you suggested has proved itself time and time again to be absolutely worthless beyond an attempt at self aggrandising.

[Anonymous No.15724222]

>>15712829
This was before the manosphere really gained traction, so you can see the common conceptual mistakes he's making that everyone else does in absence of outside affirmation that things are actually out of order and there's reasons for that. If he had been even 2 years younger he probably would have never done the shooting, because he'd have had so many more resources and insights to reassure him.

[Anonymous No.15724237]

>>15724214
Scientism is for pseudo-intellectuals who care more about wanking off how supposedly educated they are rather than the actual truth of the matter. Nevertheless it's evident you're incapable of engaging in this sort of intuitive investigation anyway even if you wanted to.

[Anonymous No.15724239]

>>15711312

Therapy is useless bullshit, it's a psychological assuaging service for hysterical women. Stupid cunt. Why are so many IQ 100 normies and bugmen flooding this fucking board? Fuck off

[Anonymous No.15724263]

>>15724239
>this fucking board
It's actually the whole of 4chan/4channel. Happening unceasingly since at least 2016.

[Anonymous No.15724265]

>>15724214
What he wrote is way more insightful than anything you've written ITT.

[Anonymous No.15724269]

>>15712817
It will literally only take you a half an hour on 4plebs.

[Anonymous No.15724287]

>>15710873

Also fuck all the schizo /x/ and /pol/ posters ITT holy shit. What's a better literary community on the interwebs?

[Anonymous No.15724302]

>>15724287
Grow up dude.

The entire point of reading it is to understand and identify with Elliot's mode of thinking and why it lead him down a path of absurd violence.

[Anonymous No.15724307]

>>15724287
On both counts, educate yourself.

[Anonymous No.15724317]

>>15713311
Is the lack of a self-preservation instinct we see displayed immaculately in the contemporary European also a psychological issue?

[Anonymous No.15724328]

>>15713617
With regards to your little chart, Dylann Roof should check off for 'Future' and 'Sincerity'. No clue what you mean by 'Terminality'.

[Anonymous No.15724356]

>>15713964
He was literally an incel, given his obsession with sex. He was in many ways the first incel.
What he was not was a robot. He was more like a failed-normalfag, much like what 4chan is infested with these days.

[Anonymous No.15724357]

>>15724302
>>15724307

????

My post was mainly directed at Sandy Hook posters

[Anonymous No.15724368]

>>15714877
>ideological purity
He didn't even have an ideology. He did the shooting before there was any systematic body of thought to appeal to for his grievances.
>The fact he did this as a young man with his material work still incomplete outshines even mishimas suicide which was only done once the mans earthly purposes were largely complete.
Yes it's rather impressive but that's mostly I think a product of everyone else's lack of clarity, lucidity, and self-honesty (not to say he was without his own delusions, but he was way ahead of so many NPCs alive today).

[Anonymous No.15724377]

>>15724357
see >>15724269 newfag

[Anonymous No.15724378]

>>15724237
>>15724265
>Nevertheless it's evident you're incapable of engaging in this sort of intuitive investigation anyway even if you wanted to.
Sorry mate, your system isn't a system, and intuition doesn't mean a lot. How, using your method, could you identify future perpetrators? In what realm does your method stay concrete enough to be transferrable? You are of course, free to engage with these texts in that way if you wish, but I don't believe you'll accomplish anything of merit with that process. People have been applying Jungian and Freudian psychoanalysis to various perpetrators of crimes for years, and they've come no closer in their understanding.

Muh insight is pseud 101.

[Anonymous No.15724394]

>>15724378
>identify future perpetrators?
You can't. Nobody can.
You're better off learning how to remote view. Your predictive enterprise is equally if not more futile and will accomplish nothing more than further grieving and aggravating those who already feel unfairly targeted on account of being abnormal and indignant.

[Anonymous No.15724414]

>>15714970
lol

[Anonymous No.15724423]

>>15724394
>You can't. Nobody can.
Yeah, and nobody could have ever have caught Teddy K based on his language. I looked for subconscious patterns in their speech to identify when someone was making a serious threat; the work is nowhere near done, it was at best, a demonstration of the need for further research in this vein. What do you hope to accomplish with literary analysis?

[Anonymous No.15724427]

>>15724076
Based.

[Anonymous No.15724432]

>>15716103
Because youth have been brainwashed into believing otherwise for decades because feminism.

[Anonymous No.15724449]

>>15724423
>Yeah, and nobody could have ever have caught Teddy K based on his language.
Oh I'm sorry, I assumed we were talking about alienated, average individuals who have yet to commit a crime, not one who had been engaging in highly publicized terrorism for years and had family to rat out his highly distinctive diction.

[Anonymous No.15724450]

>>15716103
that's not what that image shows though. It shows two different distributions of rating attractiveness. This difference is the big point of contention from what I can tell.

[Anonymous No.15724456]

>>15723966
>There is a purported call-in to a radio show he did where you kind of a get a sense for who he is and where his head was at, nothing too disturbing,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2eJV8JF2dY

[Anonymous No.15724466]

>>15724449
Nah senpai, don't you get it, their syllable count increases from that we can infer something.

[Anonymous No.15724468]

>>15724449
>I assumed we were talking about alienated, average individuals who have yet to commit a crime,
And how does narrative interpretation resolve that? Kid goes into a therapists office, starts talking about how he wishes he could be a hero - better phone the police, the kid's about to go on a rampage. This is the shortcoming of narrative analysis, it cannot in any way, shape, or form determine someone's seriousness about committing a crime. People make subconscious choices in their use of language all the time; if we can begin to unpick those choices when they're in a state of mind where they could commit an attack, we can start to identify actual, quantifiable patterns. Do you really not understand why 'narrative analysis' or Jungian psychoanalysis doesn't work there?

[Anonymous No.15724474]

>>15717255
>>15717604
On point.

[Anonymous No.15724543]

>>15724468
No, you're the one who actually doesn't get it.

You're attempting to reduce matters that are fundamentally about comprehension of someone's being and their experience down to "syllable counts" without focusing much at all, if you're presenting your project correctly, on what they're actually saying.

What is the commonality between Klebold and Harris, T. J. Lane, Elliot Rodger, Breivik, Dylann Roof, Nikolas Cruz, and so on? I think I know what you'll claim, and it's terribly trivial. There is no appreciable commonality tying them all together. They each have their unique motives and personalities that somehow didn't lead to dozens of copycats---and why is that important? Because you want to figure out when the next strike is going to happen---and you can't, because there's no way to tell how and when any of these kinds of guys is going to act or not; after all, there's hundreds of individuals like each of them out in the world, and yet they didn't follow their footsteps. And of those very few who do get around to a shooting, some will tell others their plans in advance, like Dylann, making your predictive analysis moot; others will keep their mouths shut until the day of, again making your project useless.

The idea anything can predict shootings short of precognition is imbecilic---these aren't coordinated terrorist attacks with schedules and chains of command to surveil. And these guys aren't robots with deterministic programming. All you can do is try and understand where they're coming from, and you don't even seem to want to do that. You're just like the rest of them, unironically.

[Anonymous No.15724570]

>>15717670
>Which makes it all the more mind boggling the fact that people still debate the reasons as for why he did what he did.
Normalfaggots don't listen and cannot understand experiences and perspectives they don't have access to.

[Anonymous No.15724573]

>>15724543
>We don't understand and therefore we shouldn't try to understand
I studied their essays, manifestos, writings, whatever you want to call it with a number of different lenses. The only one of which I found to be true, being that of syllable count when discussing their intended victims, or carrying out an attack. I'm certainly not claiming it's the only thing they have in common, but it's the only thing I found to be true with my methodology. The fact there is a truth there, suggests there may be more, and that it's worth investigating.

The attitude of 'we don't therefore we shouldn't' is dangerously stupid. But I tell you what, go away and read, re-read, categorise, and analyse various manifestos for months and then come back to me with your psycholinguistic analysis yeah? Frankly I'm talking to someone, who without any leg work or effort, is trying to dissent an attempt at picking out a quantifiable method of understanding. So now I put the challenge onto you, go and do the legwork, prove your theory right. I know you won't, because you are the epitome of pseud 101, who problematises everything based on 'what has already been done', but never actually contributes anything of substance to the discussion.

[Anonymous No.15724590]

>>15724573
I've already contributed, and again, like everyone else scratching their heads, it's an answer that's too deeply unsatisfying for you to accept, along with being one you barely grasp.

[Anonymous No.15724593]

>>15724590
>I've done no work but I'm smarter than you!
>>>/pseud/

[Anonymous No.15724622]

>>15717623
What you need to understand is that "family" doesn't mean jackshit and when you're different from everyone else, you're different from your family too, and there's nothing actually tying them to you. Expecting some sort of recourse from them is confusion about the nature of humanity. That's when you realize you're truly alone, when you recognize that your own "family" doesn't even actually care about you nor get you and your struggles. This doesn't occur to most people because there's no actual deviation to provoke such callousness.

[Anonymous No.15724748]

>>15717915
Not even yet graduated from college is a "lifetime" to you, hunh?
You ever heard of the "beta uprising"? Do you understand what it means? Do you understand how Elliot's act revolutionized the discourse and has influenced the narrative for the past six years? It was a catalyst for a dramatic rethinking of a society obsessed with sex, forcing the winners to think of the losers and the losers to try to make sense of their condition.

Sexism, Misogyny, Terrorism, Celibacy, Companionship, Attractiveness, Celebrity, Alienation, Anomie, the list goes on---all hot enough topics even today to produce an entire big budget blockbustin' major motion picture (Joker) the likes of which had not been seen for virtually twenty years, and untold growing masses of men young and old who either exercise violence of a self-perceived just cause, or at the very least make the commitment to reject the establishment conceptions of women, romance, and marriage that will permanently restructure society within the next few years that'll resemble nothing we've seen in perhaps the whole history of mankind. And it's by no means a stretch to say it all largely traces back to the Supreme Gentleman, the First Incel.

[Anonymous No.15724775]

>>15717961
I don't know what the guy you're responding to was thinking, but Dylann basically said right off the bat he didn't think it was the Jews or that they had much to do with things, unlike what everyone else was insisting. I don't remember him ending with Jews though so I call BS on that.

[Anonymous No.15724817]

>>15723486
It wasn't common yet or semi-acceptable to think of women as stupid, hypocritical whores yet back in 2014---at least, not for millennials, who were virtually all taught that women are looking for a Prince Charming and that any guy could be that if he remembered to tip his fedora often. It only became acceptable over time as things like Gamergate, Mattress Girl, Clinton voters, Me Too, Twitch, Tinder, Only Fans, Salon, what have you, proved Elliot and his ilk's pathologies right.

[Anonymous No.15724858]

Npc's don't understand what it is like to be an outcast. They conform naturally, so it isn't an issue. Elliot is very cringe despite being in the same situation as losers on this site. People take others for granted, so they can't fathom why someone would be incapable of finding a partner. The cure is to lift and looksmaxx despite people preaching the contrary and instead saying that it is merely cope. How I am perceived now that I am handsome is night and day. Sure, I am hard-pressed to find new male friends that aren't seething jealous fags due to my appearance having the ability to sop up all female attention away from them. Learn to exercise your anger in a more productive way. Killing others isn't a good option, but rising the social hierarchy and exploiting human nature is accepted and encouraged. You will need to learn to avoid to complete psycho phase, but it is a decent start for the lot of you.

[Anonymous No.15724949]

>>15710873
Very bad prose, make even YAs cringe.

Narrator is an egotist with little to be proud about. Romanticises the mundane, makes all his endeavors take either heroic or tragic dimensions.

Never once defined his powerword
>SUPREMÉ
>GENTLE LEMON

If a writer's book makes the reader kill people (Catcher, Rye), that book is /lit/. If a writer is only read because he killed people (like this guy), very probably it is a shit book.

I took an anon's advice to read this as 20th century meme literature. Anon if you are here reading this: i hate you so, so much. This book is badly made all around. Id read enid blyton over this.

[Anonymous No.15724961]

>>15724775
You misunderstand. I mean the literal word.

Para. 3: Jewish
Para. 6: Jewish
[Long diatribe about black people]
Para. 25: (header): Jews
Para. 26: jews/jewish
Para. 27: jews
Para. 33: jews

He uses Jewish at the beginning of his speech. After he talks about black people, he switches to using jew. I'm not saying they were the main aim of his attack, but rather, that something in his thinking changed after discussing black people.

[Anonymous No.15724962]

>>15712727
Adam Lanza was Tedpilled

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLHCuzW3-uA

[Anonymous No.15724993]

>>15710873
Writes an autobiography to justify his selfcentered entitlement.

He is so blind, so dishonest, and his copes are so halfhearted and superficial, reading the book is like reading a PR press release.

All good /lit/ must approach their subject sincerely at some level.

This fellow is just not sincere.

His rage is real, but the representation of its source and outcome is just camouflage for lazy denial.

A loathsome piece of writing. Not a book at all; a damn waste of notepaper.

[Anonymous No.15725020]

>>15724962
Reading that just makes me think the reason people turn to shooting is because it's become socially unacceptable and financially suicidal to just speak uncomfortable truths. With no other outlet, shooters do something that'll force people to listen to them and just put themselves in a position where they won't have to face the consequences, or the consequences will otherwise cease to matter to them. The ostracization, the censorship, the vilification and rampant libel, the denigration of the unsponsored intellectual---all of these contribute to a socioculture of ever more frequent and intense violence as speech act. Banning political incorrectness kills.

[Anonymous No.15725036]

>>15710873
It's a funny read.
He unironically thought girls were actually suppose to approach him and offer him sex.
Since that was not happening he believed all the girls around him were actively rejecting him and laughing at him and that drove him to do what he did.
The majority of the book is just his life story and how he came to his conclusions.

A fun journey into the mind of a crazy person if you have a dark sense of humor.

[Anonymous No.15725039]

>>15725020
These little fuckers had nothing of value to say. They were just poorly raised egomaniacs. The people they killed died for nothing besides making us more aware of the dangers posed by mentally ill teenagers.

[Anonymous No.15725044]

>>15714877
This post is a world better than that book.

If you are the same anon that told me to read it a year ago: i hate you.

Youve gotten good and pushing this trash; it's like youre malevolent, exposing people to the shittiest shit you smelled.

I hate you double.

I had to burn my clothes then my house after reading RE, the stank was so bad.

[Anonymous No.15725149]

>>15723740
If you've read Adam Lanza's play, it's incontrovertible ass. It started off cheeky and fine enough, but descended into puerile nonsense. It was probably written when he was younger (HS), granted.

>>15723950
Shooting a few blacks and hiding in prison is the easy thing to do. It would have been better for him to spearhead a movement. He could've at least killed some high-ranking blacks or thugs, not a bunch of churchgoing boomers.

>>15724160
I think there's a better way of changing normalfags. Yours is the other extreme (as opposed to ineffectual "no bullying" campaigns) , where normalfags need to be made afraid. This won't change anything, and it brings a heavy, needless toll. This Christ-like figure of theirs offers them nothing if he doesn't make the bullies afraid to bully them.

>>15712504
He failed, and everyone sees him as a monster. In fact, he and those of his ilk are the failures of the modern world that need to be addressed, and they are not the cure.

>>15724748
If you read the book, you'll see his actions weren't prompted by some powerful will. He boiled over after a lifetime of envy and hatred (a lifetime being his lifetime of never having graduated college, as he killed himself).

Also, your entire post can be refuted by merely calling it a stretch and an overestimation of Elliot's influence.

>>15724858
There's no such thing as an NPC. Reductionism and the creation of an us (redpilled) vs them (NPC) belief system is a shallow lie. Go ahead and post pictures/videos of whores and doucheback jocks- they're just pictures and videos of someone at some point in their life; you don't know their entire life and personality, you only surmise and fit people within your envious Procrustean Bed.

>they can't fathom why someone would be incapable of finding a partner
Instead, they suffer from love denied, cheating whores, and other sufferings that the pleasure of finding a partner brings.

Furthermore, people will just distance themselves from you if you are an aggressive, handsome narcissist; then you will have traded male friends for female friends, who will only pump and dump you (as all looks-obsessed women, among whose ranks you number).

>learn to exercise your anger in a more productive way
Better yet is to not be angry and to gain what you want on willpower, discipline, and habit alone. Anger eventually proves to be counteractive.

>>15724949
It was an entertaining book that I could relate to. The best part is that it's real.

[Anonymous No.15725186]

>>15725149
>Shooting a few blacks and hiding in prison is the easy thing to do.
It wasn't about ease.
>It would have been better for him to spearhead a movement.
No it wouldn't.
>He could've at least killed some high-ranking blacks or thugs
That wasn't the point. The less sympathetic the victims were, the less indignation would be felt, the less probability of a racewar breaking out because of it.
>entire post can be refuted by merely calling it a stretch and an overestimation of Elliot's influence
Then you're a brainlet, probably living under a rock or just plain airheaded.

[Anonymous No.15725210]

>>15725149
>There's no such thing as an NPC. Reductionism and the creation of an us (redpilled) vs them (NPC) belief system is a shallow lie.
Sounds like someone miffed descriptions of NPCs happen to fit them more than those of these so-called losers.

[Anonymous No.15725321]

it just shows how utterly fucking retarded he was, like genuinely something was wrong with him (no shit). the worst was his "plan" to win the lottery and he seemed genuinely offended that he didn't win.

what a fucking retarded faggot

[Anonymous No.15725403]

>>15725039
That's a nice just so story but it has no explanatory power.

[Anonymous No.15725952]

>>15724239
Then what's your solution? My god, saying that these things should be avoided should not be controversial.

[Anonymous No.15725991]

>>15724239
But I’m a man and I think therapy may help me because I ain’t got nobody to talk to.

[Anonymous No.15726006]

>>15725991
Therapy is only good for like a month or two when you don't really know the therapist, but eventually you will start protecting your ego and reducing your self-disclosure and candor. At that point you might as well just be hanging out with a friend or parent.

[Anonymous No.15726011]

>>15725991
You have /r9k/, /adv/, Omegle, and so on.

[Anonymous No.15726021]

>>15725952
>>15725991
I don't think therapy is useless, but I think it doesn't really work for people who have genuine problems with the world. It works when you need to be told that your mindset is wrong; if your mindset isn't the problem, then what benefit is there to being 'wrong'?

[Anonymous No.15726093]

>>15726011
>implying these are useful or constructive ways to communicate with people

Lol anon, pls.

[Anonymous No.15726095]

>>15726021
To be honest on my part, I was very vague in my original post. I do not think that Therapy is the only solution. There are people who were going to do whatever they did regardless of mental help (Robert A. Hawkins comes to mind as a case where he got lots of help and still went out on a rampage). I just stated that I think that we should try to find ways to lower the number of tragedies. You can't really predict it but it never hurts to at least try to find something to improve on. But apparently this makes me a "stupid cunt" and a "liberal"

[Anonymous No.15726097]

>>15712332
Yeah I don’t like to admit it but I probably do, I thing Elliot Roger was limited in his capacity for self reflection but only I’m that he seemed like he didn’t want to have any, he just wanted things to be his way. I can understand the stubbornness, but I really disagree with not having any desire to “get better”, whatever that means. He takes his flawed self without any attempt of improving it and tries to justify it by going by his terms with other people he’s invested in, and then inevitably will be unable to access these people when he’s not even trying to play along with them. I never have been in the kind of self-superior place like Elliot specifically was, but I definitely have fallen into the trap where I feel justified for my immature mistakes and drawing selfish conclusions from this.
I eventually just gave up I think, and that honestly has seemed to work so far although I’ve since hardly even found myself again in a social life where this is even something that’s able to be worn down again, I can’t say for sure but I feel that the biggest thing that could fall from failure for me would be my effort and confidence and therefore productivity, but I wouldn’t do anything more than self isolation.

[Anonymous No.15727453]

>>15711178
i believe society is a monstroucity as in they let just let mentally ill individuals to kill themselves.
People are suffering to the point where they end their live mostly quietly. And if people are suffering you have a moral obligation to help them.

[Anonymous No.15727965]

>>15710912
The polar opposite of Gide, then

[Anonymous No.15728062]

>>15723950
Based Roof.

[Anonymous No.15728071]

>>15724287
Seethe harder and fuck off of /lit/ nobody wants you here.

[Anonymous No.15728083]

>>15728071
Nevermind just saw this >>15724357
Sorry.

[Anonymous No.15728087]

>>15725210
I see what everyone means by NPC. I look around at people and see them as such on a daily basis. But I also understand that my knowledge of these people is limited, and my egotism reduces them to 2D caricatures that essentially become NPCs. People's real motivations, personalities, and beliefs are more complicated than that, even if they've fallen prey to the zeitgeist. I'm not saying there aren't brainwashed masses, I'm just saying them being brainwashed is nothing inherited or irreversible; there's no haughty us vs stupid them. These are people that need to be set straight, not subhumans.

[Anonymous No.15728453]

>>15711032
>Kip is similar to Elliot, but he also pretends to have schizophrenia.
That came through in his police confession if I'm recalling correctly--the teenage "vOIcEs iN mY HeAD" type self-pity. Yet you can sense a genuine remorse throughout it all, which to me dispels the schizophrenia claim.

[Anonymous No.15728514]

>>15728453
It irks me that his official motive now is “paranoid schizophrenia” when it’s sooooo fucking obvious he was lying. If I had a dollar for every time someone tried to seem mysterious, edgy and troubled by saying they heard voices in their head, I’d be able to buy a pizza.

I wonder why he did it

[Anonymous No.15728533]

>>15728453
>>15728514
His writing pattern doesn't match a schizophrenic's either. His only major cognitive spike is when he talks about carrying out an attack. Schizophrenia tends to show a much more erratic pattern than this.

[Anonymous No.15728535]

>>15728453
He was probably trying to set up a "not guilty by insanity" defense, not realizing if you get found not guilty by insanity you will get thrown in a psych ward with an indeterminate release date, pretty sure the dude who shot Reagan got off on insanity, but has been locked in a looney bin since the 80s

[Anonymous No.15728594]

>>15728533
i wonder if anyone has done quantitative verbal analysis of rodgers book

remember seeing a hacker news post a couple years back about someone who plotted something like a sliding window of positive/negative adjective usage in The Lord of the Flies and the result was interesting, there was a lot of signal in it.

i wonder what that type of plot would look like for elliot rodger's book.

[Anonymous No.15728620]

>>15728594
>i wonder if anyone has done quantitative verbal analysis of rodgers book
I didn't have time to do it, same with Breivik really. Analysing 6 of these manifestos without really knowing what I was looking for was a huge undertaking in itself, nevermind using 150 page+ documents.

This is Seung Hui Cho's for posterity. His manifesto was 'multimedia' which was unorthodox, even for these people, but you can see the same 'spike' patterns around discussing victims. As you'll see, compared to Kip's, his baseline is all over the place. It's really erratic. AI analyses have found similar patterns in schizophrenia (and more).

[Anonymous No.15728859]

>>15712485
hapa girls are laways good, hapa boys are always trash

[Anonymous No.15729212]

>>15713617
>They then try to correct that with something, that in their mind, would logically work. When it doesn't it reinforces that inferiority, until you have someone that feels inferior inside, and superior outside, and those two mentalities end up working in opposition to one another. It breeds a very particular cycle of self loathing.

Shit I do all of this

[Anonymous No.15729775]

ITT
Anon 1 sees a leaf, it generates oxygen
Anon 2 asks "Why, isn't that interesting, how does leaves create oxygen?"
Anon 1 replies, "Lolwat its a leaf, nerd. Leaves create oxygen, nuff said!"

[Anonymous No.15730915]

>>15729775
Nobody is questioning the value in inquiry in of itself, only that the methodology of inquiry is flawed and its fruits somewhat dry and useless.

[Anonymous No.15730961]

>>15710873
I read some fragments from it and despite I can understand how hopeless he felt by his situation, I don't really think he deserves any kind of empathy.

Yeah he was a sensitive human being that probably should've been treated with more respect and understanding, but in the other hand he was a delusional narcissistic piece of shit who thought he was entitled to pussy just because. You see him try stupid and retarded shit with actual hopes for sucess, not realising the problem was himself all the time. He saw himself as some kind of tragic fallen hero while he was just a pathetic creep who was unable to get himself a hobby or an interesting occupation that would eventually enrich him and make him more desirable because of how fucking obsessed with sex he was. He was an intelligent guy from a rich family. He had potential and he did fuckall with it. I don't feel sorry for him, in fact, I think he deserved all the shit he got and even more. I wish the cops didn't suicide him so that he'd had his anal virginity taken by some black dude in prison.

[Anonymous No.15732010]

>>15724263
We must drive the zoomer and normalfag hordes back. They shall be given no quarter.

[Anonymous No.15732128]

>>15732010
It's impossible. Mook is grinning widely right now counting his fat stacks of phoneposter adbucks.

[Anonymous No.15732178]

>>15730915
yet the free will people will deny any claim that any of this will ever works
they will not budge from their position that the actor is fully and entirely responsible for this action
i hate christ*an so much