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15695311 No.15695311 [Reply] [Original]

>like Thomas Pynchon
>be right-wing

Why do people do this? Do they not realize TP is low-key a communist? Have they ever read him?

>> No.15695344

>>15695311
>Have they ever read him?
Have you?

He's just a boomer liberal with a dislike for authority.

>> No.15695379

Communist eh? You might be on to something.

https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/books/97/05/18/reviews/pynchon-luddite.html?

>> No.15695382

>>15695311
>Like Junger
>be left-wing
I honestly don't give a shit about the political leanings of the authors I read. Fiction doesn't have to teach me anything, and it's either well made or not. In that field, aesthetics is always more important than ideology.
As for their theoretical writings, reading things you (assume) you don't agree with is the base for developing critical thinking. Read it and see if you can learn something new. Reading something you strongly disagree with can push you into developing your positions better

>>15695344
Dislike for authority is the only political stance I take as a sign of being a well-developed, mentally healthy adult

>> No.15695419

>>15695382
You seem pretty based anon, so I don’t want to pick a fight with you, but I think Pynchon is a very political author. Class structures, systems of control, and technology's role in oppression run rampant through all his novels. I respect wanting to find human truths and aesthetics, but ignoring Pynch's political acumen means missing out on a huge part of his work.

>> No.15695812

>>15695311
WTF.. PEOPLE CAN READ AUTHORS WHOM THEY DONT AGREE WITH ON EVERYTHING!>!??!?

>> No.15695820

>>15695812
Disagreeing is very different to being actively against

>> No.15695829

>>15695820
I can entertain or accept the validity or insight of authors with Communist beliefs (which I doubt Pynchon is) even if I would, given my present beliefs, resist or oppose the implementation of Communism. Not everyone is in 100% partisan mode all the time.

>> No.15695862

>>15695812
ARE YOU JOKING? IF YOU READ ANYTHING THE FÜHRER DOESN'T APPROVE OF, YOU WILL DESERVEDLY BE BURNED TO DEATH. THINK ABOUT THAT THE NEXT TIME YOU PICK UP AN UNAPPROVED BOOK TRANNY LIB FAGGOT. FIRE HURTS.

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15695877

I'm right-wing and my friends and I can't get enough of Pynchon. If anything that just speaks to the quality of his work. Pic unrelated.

>> No.15695971

>>15695820
Good bootlicker

>> No.15695980

>>15695311
>like Ellul
>be right-wing
Why do people do this? Do they not realize JE is high-key an anarchist? Have they never read him?

>> No.15696006

>>15695980
anarchism is a right wing reactionary philosophy... see: proudhon, et al, post-left anarchism, tory anarchism... truly the most monstrous philosophy!! we most destroy it

>> No.15696036

>>15696006
Pynchie is anarchist

>> No.15696050

>>15695877
>Fat Cunt Swann
Is this a Proust reference?

>> No.15696088

>>15695311

Imagine still having an Either/Or mentality in the 21st century.

>> No.15696093

>>15695311
>right-winger
>realizing literally anything
Pick one

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/0956797611421206

>> No.15696099

>>15695382
Jünger was more or less a Stirnerite after WW2 though.

>> No.15696102

>>15695344
>boomer
He’s silent generation

>> No.15696111

>>15695311
he's dudebro lit, only tryhards like him

>> No.15696127
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15696127

>>15695311
>be right-wing
>expect not to spend an eternity in a lake of fire

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

>> No.15696128

>>15695877
Unironically Pynchonian image

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15696215

>>15695877
>>15696128
"Erm..uhh... excuse me... may I have two Fattie Dicks and one 'I heart Cock Salad' please?"

>> No.15696460

>>15695419
I don't think they should be ignored, but, at least for me, they don't play a big role in ruining/enhancing the pleasure of reading. For me it's the same as reading someone from a different culture. I mean, if I have no problems enjoying the Iliad, which is set in a society where slavery and rape are okay, or Dante, who thinks a cult believing bad people should be physically and mentally tortured for eternity is okay, I honestly don't see why reading someone who is a fascist or a communist should be in any way problematic. I can disagree with what someone says, but still recognize that it was said beautifully (or "well"), which is what fiction is mainly about, in my opinion.

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>>15696460
>Dante, who thinks a cult believing bad people should be physically and mentally tortured for eternity is okay

Please kill yourself.

>> No.15696897

>>15696111
t. filtered

>> No.15697093

>>15695311
Even if Pynchon was a communist (which I doubt), admiration for one's opponent is an aristocratic value. Right wingers tend to be very open minded in that regard. If anything it's leftists who obsess over ideological purity in art.

>> No.15698171

>>15697093
He is not a communist, he's clearly an anarchist, and probably supports CHOP

>> No.15698177

>>15695877
>I HAVE GOOD AIDS
>SHIT ON MY CHEST
>CHILD TRAFFIKER
>DR. GAY
Top kek

>> No.15698412

>>15696460
Based rational anon

>> No.15699159

>>15695820
That’s twice you’ve moved the goalposts. Should I keep reading your shitty thread or will I get a migraine

>> No.15699170

>>15697093
hahhahahahaaahaa get real my friend

>> No.15699332

>>15695311
Pynchon is clearly not 'right wing'. This is an interesting story that might shed light on who he really is, maybe it doesn't

http://www.pynchon.pomona.edu/bio/adventures.html

> Upon learning that I was a college English prof, he beamed and asked how I thought the multiculturalism/canon debate would turn out; in other words, who would win the curriculum wars? I said I'd give him the multiculturalists and a touchdown and still take the canonites, that somewhere during the first decade of the next century the canon crabs should have Shakespeare and such back in the requirements column for most English majors, exception being the mindless, deathless radicals at Stanford, Princeton, and maybe Georgetown.
>"So, are you a racist," he asked frowning, "one of those arch WASPs who reads and teaches mostly dead, white European males and their followers?"

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15699358

>>15695877
>UP BUM NO BABY

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15699366

>>15695311
>low-key

>> No.15699378

>>15699332
lmao polfags btfo

>> No.15699431

>>15699332
wtf i hate pynchon now

>> No.15699442

>>15695382
Dislike of authority is naive and never amounts to a sound solution. Simply a self absorbed do-nothing.

>> No.15699458

>>15699442
Dislike of authority is a baseline for rational thinking, it doesn't mean disregard for authority, different concepts

>> No.15699473

>>15695877
really want that "one cunt wolf pack"

>> No.15699484

>>15699442
mom must be proud

>> No.15699508

>person whose main skill is "writing" doesn't understand society formed around pragmatic meritocracy
wow
suprising

>> No.15699547

>>15699508
what an odd thing to say

>> No.15699567

>>15699332
>falling for this obvious fanfic

>> No.15699593

>>15699332
he's clearly fucking around considering he's only listed white male authors (except Farina I guess who is Latino) as his influences and favorite novelists
Melville
Faulkner
Fitzgerald
Kafka
Joyce
Byron
Bellow
Kerouac

>> No.15699604

>>15699442
Bugman anti-life perspective. Socrates accepting his sentence is just because it is his duty in accordance with his principles, the sentence itself and the authority from which it was derived was not just. Being on-guard against unrighteous authority is this guy says...
>a baseline for rational thinking, it doesn't mean disregard for authority, different concepts
>>15699458

>> No.15699690

>>15699508
Society has degenerated and no longer cares for pragmatic meritocracy. Can you honestly say a society that rewards prostitutes and grifters on onlyfans or youtube more than the average worker is a merit based society?

>> No.15699710

>>15699690
I think you need to get off the internet for a bit

>> No.15699736

>>15699593
I doubt he's read any of them

>> No.15699809

>>15699736
This. Pynchon has only read two books: Warlock and Been Down So Long It Looks Like Up to Me. He hasn't even read his own books.

>> No.15700727

>>15699809
What a hack