/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.15687715]

I'm a staunch misogynistic racist incel. But I want to be open minded: perhaps I am wrong? I want to see what the other side has to say about women/feminism/gender. Give me your best book on this topic.
I want a book that will accurately represent the modern feminist/LGBTQ movement. Must be under 400 pages. Preferably it would also explain how trannies come to exist because right now it's absolutely baffling to me.

[Anonymous No.15687722]

>>15687715
Go ask a real librarian, dumbass.

[Anonymous No.15687724]

>>15687715
Just read Oranges Are Not The Only Fruit bro.

[Anonymous No.15687728]

>>15687722
>>15687724
Looking for serious answers please. This is not a troll thread.

[Anonymous No.15687730]

>>15687715
Good for you there’s a lot of material out there

[Anonymous No.15687734]

>>15687730
That's why I made the thread. I don't want to read thousands of pages. Most I can do is ~400 pages. That's why I'm asking for one book that would represent their point of view well.
Obviously that book is not going to be fiction.

[Anonymous No.15687736]

>>15687728
Try twitter.

[Anonymous No.15687739]

>>15687734
Just go on Instagram or Twitter and type in hashtags. Especially now everyone is posting their own op ed to the issues

[Anonymous No.15687740]

>>15687728
>Just read Oranges Are Not The Only Fruit bro.
>Looking for serious answers please.
Serious answer, go read it you lazy bottom.

[Anonymous No.15687753]

>>15687715
>I'm a staunch misogynistic racist incel.
You nailed it the first go around, no need to second guess yourself, mate. Cheers.

[Anonymous No.15687758]

>>15687715
serious answer: don't read to much either way. Judge people on who they are irl, not on what some author or vocal portion of the left wing says. Most women are just normal, decent people

[Anonymous No.15687765]

>>15687715
It would help if you would talk a bit about your background so one can recommend literature from the same general tradition you ascribe to. Inb4 alt-right YouTube channels and /pol/

[Anonymous No.15687834]

>>15687758
>Most women are just normal, decent people
Are you really defending normies here, anon?

[Anonymous No.15687839]

>>15687740
I'm not asking for fiction. Fictions is a very inefficient way to convey ideas. I feel like it's going to be a complete waste of time.
>>15687758
>Judge people on who they are irl
I already do that. It's just a lot of people are becoming very ideological and I think it can be helpful to see the way the other side (radical feminist/queer people) see stuff.
>Most women are just normal, decent people
Normal? Yes, in that most women seem to behave in a rather predictable, homogeneous way. Decent? Agree to disagree.
>>15687765
My views on women were formed from the synthesis of hanging out on incel forums, looking at the blackpill statistics, watching Grace Alexander's videos and consuming a lot of red pill, black pill, MGTOW content. That's not to say I agree with everything they say but all of them make very good points. I hang around on /pol/ as well but they seem to be much more lenient on the women question: a lot of them believe that the red pill/black pill is a jewish plot to stop whites from reproducing. I am an essentialist that believes the societal differences between men and women that can be observed are not a result of social constructs and oppression but rather a natural manifestation of different male/female biological traits. I believe that the fact that there is a small fraction of people who do not biologically conform to the male/female distiction does not invalidate the fact that male and female are real things.

[Anonymous No.15687895]

>>15687839
I hope you realize you have no background whatsoever and are basically incompetent. Saying that "male and female are real things" is not a controversial (or even particularly workable) take or something left-wingers would deny. Saying that gender roles are in part constituted by natural properties is also not a particularly controversial take, or something that left-wingers would deny.

Just read The Second Sex and Gender Trouble to get the most influential, canonical works on feminism/gender from the 20th century.

[Anonymous No.15687919]

>>15687715
serious answer: i'd look into margaret fuller if i were you, and also recognise the merit of authors like allende who describe themselves as feminist. there's a lot of queer authors who i would recommend to you but baby steps

[Anonymous No.15687924]

>>15687895
>I hope you realize you have no background whatsoever
Background in what? Radical feminist theory? Why do you think I made this thread?
>and are basically incompetent
Incompetent in what?
You sound kind of stupid desu.

[Anonymous No.15687936]

>>15687919
Hi. Thanks for the suggestion. I looked her up and fact that she lived during the 19th century makes me think that it will not represent the current feminist movement well. I am not looking for books that justify why women are people. I am looking for books that explain the ideological underpinnings of the current radical feminist/queer theory movement.

[Anonymous No.15687944]

>>15687924
Background in any tradition of thought. For example Kantian philosophy, Christianity or even the currently popular Jünger/Heidegger alliance.

>You sound kind of stupid desu.
I have a suspicion you tend to think of everything you don't like as stupid.

[Anonymous No.15687954]

>misogynistic
Yes me too kinda, women are just more unstable and less rational
>racist
That's just stupid
>Incel
Lol I had sex this morning you loser

Has it ever occurred to you that your hatred towards whatever group is actually a projection of your own low self image and your own self hatred? I mean being an incel in this overly sexualized society is pretty pathetic bro, hope you're not over 21 because that's seriously fucking embarrassing

[Anonymous No.15687960]

>>15687715
lmao good bait king

[Anonymous No.15687974]

>>15687715
read dworkin on sex work and the rise of pornography. she predicted how popular violent porn would be. take a look at the "barely legal" porn category and ask yourself why a child porn fantasy is a popular category. Radfems hate trannies btw. Trannies prey on women. Check r/thisneverhappens r/gendercritical open your mind

[Anonymous No.15687978]

>>15687936
you should've made that clear then. i hope you realise that "the other side" doesn't take fourth wave feminism at its face value. i honestly believe that for an accurate view of what's going on you need at least a semi-decent grounding in the history of feminism in order to be able to either critique it or be wary of it.
i'm a 27 year old white male from australia for reference. you don't have to agree with fourth wave to be able to view women as autonomous and worthwhile.

[Anonymous No.15688002]

>>15687954
>women are just more unstable and less rational
What about transgender people. Like women with penises and Adam’s apples and generally look and act like a faggot

[Anonymous No.15688005]

>>15687944
>Background in any tradition of thought. For example Kantian philosophy, Christianity or even the currently popular Jünger/Heidegger alliance.
I have background in Christianity. My parents are very religious and I know the core of the doctrine.
Care to explain how Kantian Philosophy and Jünger/Heidegger alliance relate to the question of feminism? I've never heard anyone mention these figures in relation to feminism.
>I have a suspicion you tend to think of everything you don't like as stupid.
Your suspicion is wrong, as is typical of stupid people. You can still redeem yourself be answering my question though.

[Anonymous No.15688010]

>>15687974
>Radfems hate trannies btw.
Of course they do. Imagine fighting for your rights over a period of 150 years only for some male cosplayers to ruin the whole thing

[Anonymous No.15688018]

>>15687974
Thanks for the suggestion. How in line do you think she is with the modern feminist movement, i.e. how popular are her views?

[Anonymous No.15688027]

>>15687715
>I'm a staunch misogynistic racist incel

cringe, imagine being proud of this

[Anonymous No.15688039]

I’m a handsome hung pussy slayer

[Anonymous No.15688041]

>>15688005
They don't necessarily relate to feminism, but they do provide important context so one can make recommendations tailored to what you are already familiar with. For example, if you were familiar with Kantianism, one would recommend Martha Nussbaum. If you want to get an idea of the canonical foundation of contemporary feminism, The Second Sex and Gender Trouble still hold true. You should read them anyhow. If you want something that explains feminist perspectives from your point of view, Christian feminists do exist, Mary Daly comes to mind.

[Anonymous No.15688045]

https://old.reddit.com/r/IncelExit/

[Anonymous No.15688049]

>>15688018
Dworkin is heterodox. She is popular on here because 4chan is contrarian.

[Anonymous No.15688068]

>>15688049
do you think that was the wrong recommendation of me?

[Anonymous No.15688080]

>>15688049
>Implying there’s ever been a consensus about anything on here like a typical newfag

[Anonymous No.15688081]

>>15688018
she was pro trans and im a radfem. However she was spot on about sex work. look at porn lmfao. 1 million hits for any girl that looks like a child. 1 million hits on a rape fantasy about your stepmom etc...she hit it on the nose, simple as. she was a fascinating multi faceted person. i would love to talk to you more about my views. i fucking hate trannies. one tried to groom me when i was 15. had a full fucking beard and went by she/her

[Anonymous No.15688086]

>>15688068
I think reading Dworkin is useful, I like her too, and as far as second wave feminism goes she is pretty canonical, but she does not represent the contemporary feminist movement. Her positions on for example sex work are politically incorrect nowadays.

[Anonymous No.15688091]

>>15688010
finally someone fucking says it. trannies hate femininity. they dress to the aspects of femininity that appeal to the male gaze. 90% call themselves lesbians and are pedophiles. see r/gendercritical and /actuallynotlesbians

[Anonymous No.15688093]

>>15688081
>1 million hits for any girl that looks like a child
How does that relate to her thesis?

[Anonymous No.15688098]

>>15687839
fuck MGTOW its all cope lol. you deserve better. find better.

[Anonymous No.15688103]

books wont help quitting your incel Status

but I feel your pain because I was even lamer and more pathetic back then

heres how you can get out of this mess
>quit the internet
>go lift
>read some hegel and mishima
>get a nice lacoste polo and some decent hugo boss chinos
>get a nice pair of salvatore ferragamo shes
>get a decent clean haircut
>get the best shampoo (kerastase) and skin care cosmetics
>bleach your teeth
>read some interesting biographies (che guevaras was nice)
>stop listening to some autistic incels on lit

[Anonymous No.15688105]

>>15688080
love being called a newfag by teenagers

[Anonymous No.15688107]

What causes trannys? If we put aside the retarded they're "born that way" or the weird quasi metaphysical notion of their self identified image of being a woman (almost like having the soul of one)

[Anonymous No.15688114]

>>15688103
> be a Fag
is this how you find dates kek

[Anonymous No.15688120]

>>15688105
Do you really

[Anonymous No.15688121]

>>15687715
>t. Im a leftist fag who is too unintelligent to spread my bullshit doctrines without help, what do?

[Anonymous No.15688128]

>>15688002
based

[Anonymous No.15688130]

>>15688103
This desu, what also helped me was finding out what the local music scene was and just going to shows getting kind of drunk and just saying whatever to girls. Eventually one will take interest. (Unless you are that hideous which is doubtful)

[Anonymous No.15688132]

>>15688107
the desire to pray on women see r/actuallynotlesbians

[Anonymous No.15688138]

>>15688093
her anti sex work and

[Anonymous No.15688145]

>>15688093
her anti sex work and porn stance.

[Anonymous No.15688148]

Dude let’s talk about getting girls because it can’t possibly be that your not interested in carlos’s sloppy seconds, the town bicycle or grant formans hardware store

[Anonymous No.15688151]

>>15688107
I've always seen it as a desire to become the object of their desire.
I've not given it much though, but most trannies seem to be quite poor examples of masculinity. I'd assume they're both obsessed with women they can't get and in awe of the attention and worship that is inherent to being a woman (relative to a man).

[Anonymous No.15688155]

>>15688138
AND
AND WHAT

[Anonymous No.15688165]

>>15688151
So you are a tranny?

[Anonymous No.15688171]

A book won't change your mind on these topics. Go interact with other open-minded, yet different, people and opinions.

[Anonymous No.15688179]

>>15688171
Kiss them with your sweet lips

[Anonymous No.15688180]

>>15688103
>>read some hegel
I once came close to getting a mental breakdown while reading Hegel because I wasn't ready to read him.

[Anonymous No.15688182]

>>15688165
Nope

[Anonymous No.15688191]

>>15688107
They're furries with human women as their fursonas. Not even memeing or bringing in the weird theological statements either bring in. The demographic overlap is exactly the same.

The single biggest cause I would say is best described by some 4chan post that's been lost to time, but used to make the rounds on /pol/ (pre-election). Essentially
>when I was a man I was a lonely incel and couldn't find my QT3.14AVVVVVVVGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGAZNWAIFU GF, so I became the QT3.14 GF
We see something similar in anime, which you'll notice a LOT of trannies are totally absorbed in. My theory is the simplcity of the art style is pleasing to autistic people. We know that open smooth blank spaces are soothing to autists, and that clutter causes them mental distress (Le Corbusier was an autistic architect, and his style is minimizing the clutter that normal people find pleasing, creating blank smooth spaces). There's a gynocentrism to anime, where men are either completely worthless or blank slates so that dumb hikkis can self-insert as them. Women are the only ones who can have fun, exciting lives. Having to cater to the demands of the otaku community, anime studios instead have to shoehorn Cute Girls into whatever they want. This leads to these weird hermaphrodites who are essentially men in women's bodies doing man things while being pretty girls. And everyone loves them and adores them for it, and they're pretty and have boobies. Trannyism, then, is trying to become just that: A man in a woman's body, to craft the perfect woman by becoming her.

It doesn't help that Trannies are also the janissaries of Woke Capital, as they're the perfect counter-revolutionary force.

[Anonymous No.15688199]

>>15688180
lol

[Anonymous No.15688201]

>>15688180
kek

[Anonymous No.15688212]

>>15688191
This is some sci fi dystopian quiet apocalyptic stranger than fiction real life shit holy moly

[Anonymous No.15688215]

>>15688191
I think that's what I was getting at and I think it used to be the truth.
About 5 years ago, I used to regularly pass two trannies on my way to work (one white and one asian). They dressed in a manner that men would like women to dress (like whores), rather than how women would dress themselves.
However, I see more trannies nowadays, but they tend to dress like grandmothers. I think something has changed, but I'm not sure what.

[Anonymous No.15688222]

>>15687715
You're right, but just on the wrong side. Chinks and Jess are the smartest, statistically. Together they possess more creativity, rote learning and industriousness combined. The superior race is a hybrid of a chink and a jew or as I like to call it: a chew. They are the true master race.

[Anonymous No.15688251]

>>15688191
>Trannies are also the janissaries of Woke Capital
That would be black people and childless white women.

[Anonymous No.15688277]

>>15688251
I wouldn't classify Blacks as Janissaries because Blacks are dumb. Raw biopower, sure, but Biopower =/= Janissary. Blacks don't care about ideology, or systems, or anything like that, they just break stuff when the leash slacks, and they'll gladly turn on their handlers. Similarly, I wouldn't classify AWFLs as Janissaries either, for the same reasons. They're just trying to gain and assert social standing. If MEGA HITLER came into power tomorrow they'd be goose stepping and snitching on each other for not being racist enough.

Trannies actually defend the CURRENT system and will fight (metaphorically, but in many cases literally) to defend it. They HAVE to have it, because it's the only way their fetish shit can be tolerated. There is no other regime, when given modern technology, that would ever allow this shit except MAYBE Late Imperial Rome.

[Anonymous No.15688372]

OP here
>>15688138
>>15688145
I mean what does she have to say about
>1 million hits for any girl that looks like a child
Is that a bad thing? Why?
>>15688098
>fuck MGTOW its all cope lol
In what way?
>>15688103
>books wont help quitting your incel Status
I know.
>but I feel your pain because I was even lamer and more pathetic back then
I feel sorry for you. I'm only epic and based though.
>heres how you can get out of this mess
kek
>>15688107
That's one of the things I'm interested in. I've seen this dropped a lot
https://laboriacuboniks.net/manifesto/
is it worth reading?
>>15688121
I'm unironically a misogynistic racist incel. Misogynistic because I think women are inferior to men in most ways (just look at art, science, mathematics). Racist because I believe in inherent biological differences in races ( IQ wise Jews>East Asians>Whites>...>Blacks ). Incel because I'm involuntarily celibate. I can't get laid. Why did you think I was pretending?
>>15688171
>A book won't change your mind on these topics.
I am not looking to change my mind. I am looking to understand their point of view, the underpinnings of their ideology.
If that happens to change my mind about certain topics, all the better but I don't expect it will.
>Go interact with other open-minded, yet different, people and opinions.
I haven't ever found someone who wants to honestly interact with someone who has views like mine. Do you know where I can find these people?
>>15688222
>You're right, but just on the wrong side.
How so?
>Chinks and Jess are the smartest, statistically. Together they possess more creativity, rote learning and industriousness combined. The superior race is a hybrid of a chink and a jew or as I like to call it: a chew. They are the true master race.
I don't disagree with those, except maybe the last phrase. I deny the existence of master race. I think whites are the most beautiful, aesthetic race. Intelligence does not determine a human's worth. Blacks also have a great sense of music. I wouldn't want to exterminate them. I am a firm believer in actual diversity. But to keep the diversity I believe it's important to separate the ethnicities.

[Anonymous No.15688439]

>>15687715
I find that reading the history of something is the best way get started with a subject so consider reading the history of feminism first.
There has been like 3 waves of feminism and currently there's a fourth going on. The first two made some sense but the last two (specially the fourth one) are bullshit. Also I think feminism has nothing to do with LGBTQ other than that they are "oppressed minorities" or so they like to say. There are actually feminists who hate trans because they think men cannot know what's actually being a woman.

[Anonymous No.15688456]

>>15688155
LMFAO sorry. pressed post too fast. her anti sex work and porn stance

[Anonymous No.15688492]

>>15687715
>I want a book that will accurately represent the modern feminist/LGBTQ movement. Must be under 400 pages. Preferably it would also explain how trannies come to exist because right now it's absolutely baffling to me.
dude, i know you want a book, but if you think you could be biased i really really recommend you to talk with more people outside your social circle, and i dont mean go to feminist meetings and dont even try to debate at this point, not yet. You gotta talk with non-feminist women, and that would allow you to understand some basic shit about feminism, then you move to early literature about it, then you could understand modern feminism and could judge it properly. I did that, i`m not consider myself a feminist, but i`m sure feminist has pointed out some very important social issues, take this into consideration: you DONT need to swallow all the feminist narrative, it´s ok to diverge, but first you gotta depolarize yourself.

[Anonymous No.15688507]

>>15687715
>I'm a staunch misogynistic racist incel
Bro you've seen the truth, you cant just become unblackpilled unless you get a lobotomy or give yourself brain damage

[Anonymous No.15688523]

>>15688507
I wouldn't call myself blackpilled because this knowledge I have doesn't really depress me. I'd even go as far as to say that overall I'm pretty happy with the life I have. But I see what you mean.

[Anonymous No.15688631]

>>15687839
>Fictions is a very inefficient way to convey ideas.
you're autistic arent you

[Anonymous No.15688645]

>>15687715
I would read Middlemarch. It's both written by a woman and is in large part about women (and people in general) being flawed and complex while also being sympathetic.

[Anonymous No.15688671]

>>15688631
>you're autistic arent you
Why do you say that?
I mean if I want to learn mathematics I don't go find a fiction book with mathematical themes. That's very inefficient. To learn mathematics you pick a textbook on the topic you want to learn.
To learn about Kant's philosophy you don't read some fiction author who was influenced by Kant and has Kantian themes in it. You pick up Kant and you read it.
Why would it be different in this case?
>>15688645
No fiction please.

[Anonymous No.15688676]

>>15688010
Why would men pretending to be women damage women's rights if women had fewer rights than men?

[Anonymous No.15688686]

> Thinks women are inferior to men
> ignores the fact that women's studies and art throughout millennia have been stepped on by their lack of freedom (freedom that rich males had)
> can't get laid
> surprised pikachu face

anyway, I second Dworkin, and I would also recommend looking into Catharine MacKinnon.
Interesting is also Susan Pinker (esp. The Sexual Paradox, which is fairly recent).
The page you posted about the Xenofeminist manifesto is a mess. Xenofeminism is tricky because, as for Accelerationsim (which it belongs), it can either be a well thought ideology or a wacky one (not even going into left or right wing acceleration). Some xenofeminists are inherently radical feminists, mostly with their idea that science and technology has been through the centuries a patriarchal tool that women should reappropriate. The major book is the one by Helen Hester.

I honestly have no idea modern politically correct SJWs gender theorists know how read, let alone write, so I wouldn't be very sure a book how you describe it even exists. But who knows

[Anonymous No.15688727]

>>15688686
>> Thinks women are inferior to men
>> ignores the fact that women's studies and art throughout millennia have been stepped on by their lack of freedom (freedom that rich males had)
>> can't get laid
>> surprised pikachu face
Hahahahahah. You are a woman aren't you?

[Anonymous No.15688730]

>>15688671
>Why do you say that?
Bro, you can just say yes, it's fine.

[Anonymous No.15688751]

>>15688676
It damages women because it perpetuates gender stereotypes (ie: if you like certain things, act a certain way, have a certain kinds of emotional responses then you're a woman), basically, it perpetuates the idea that woman = something that can be copied and achieved, away from biology. This is reason, as others have said, that troons often wear clothes directed at the male gaze, they have a fake idea of the feminine. (not true that they dress like grannies now. Maybe the few not-exceptional ones, but the rest has only that concept of how a "real" woman dresses)

[Anonymous No.15688756]

>>15687715
Foucault - The History of Sexuality Part 1

[Anonymous No.15688773]

>>15688727
lol did I write lies? no one wants to fuck someone that hates you

[Anonymous No.15688774]

>>15688727
And I'm basing this off of the "surprise pikachu face", not from the feminist stuff. I have never ever seen a man use this format, only women. It's very cute because no woman seems to realize that only women use this format.
Was I right though?

[Anonymous No.15688797]

>>15687722
Ironically, there are no "real librarians" left because they have all been replaced by women who don't know what they're doing.

[Anonymous No.15688802]

>>15688773
Ok now your feminine mind has raced through the implications of my totally innocuous question. I did not insinuate that you wrote lies nor that I even disagree with you. I just found it very funny that you used the meme format and wanted to see whether or not my prediction was true (it was a genuine question).
>no one wants to fuck someone that hates you
Now I see that you're 100% a woman. You felt confronted so you accused me of being an incel. Hahaha.
And please don't feel insulted. I find it very cute when women have a distinctly feminine typing style. It's better than those masculine freak feminists.

[Anonymous No.15688805]

>>15688103
>go read a book by a gay japanese and consoom these gay brands to get girls
lmao

[Anonymous No.15688812]

>>15688774
yes you were! the pikachu thing is actually interesting, I suppose that a different use of language translates into a different use of memes as well

[Anonymous No.15688818]

>>15688802
freak overly masculine feminists*
>>15688812
Yeah, probably. Actually I have no idea why only women use the pikachu meme but I find it very interesting as well.

[Anonymous No.15688846]

here to third dworkin—specifically read woman hating and pornography: men possessing women. here’s a list of feminist books i made a while back separated by wave. in all honesty i am a radical feminist and i don’t give a hoot about modern feminism because it has...a lot of shortcomings wrt understanding gender and it is highly susceptible to corporate influence. that said, here you go anon.

first-wave/contemporaries

mary wollstonecraft – a vindication of the rights of woman
margaret fuller – woman in the nineteenth century
sojourner truth – ain’t i a woman?
emma goldman – anarchism and other essays
friedrich engels – the origin of the family, private property, and the state
emma goldman – the tragedy of woman’s emancipation
alexandra kollontai – sexual relations and the class struggle (i honestly suggest just grabbing kollontai’s selected works)

second-wave/contemporaries

betty friedan – the feminine mystique
evelyn reed – is biology woman’s destiny?
evelyn reed – a study of the feminine mystique
simone de beauvoir – the second sex
valerie solanas – scum manifesto (TAKE WITH BIG FAT GRAINS OF SALT)
robin morgan – sisterhood is powerful
germaine greer – the female eunuch
adrienne rich – blood, bread, and poetry
shulamith firestone – the dialectic of sex: the case for feminist revolution
kate millett – sexual politics
jo freeman – the tyranny of structurelessness
andrea dworkin – intercourse
andrea dworkin – pornography: men possessing women
catharine mackinnon – toward a feminist theory of the state
audre lorde – sister outsider

third-wave

patricia hill-collins – black feminist thought
judith butler – gender trouble
judith butler – bodies that matter: on the discursive limits of sex
bell hooks – feminism is for everybody: passionate politics
jaclyn friedman – yes means yes
bell hooks – ain’t i a woman?
bell hooks – feminist theory: from margin to center

[Anonymous No.15688866]

>>15688802
it was directed at op, a self-declared misogynist

[Anonymous No.15688877]

>>15688191
This supposed origin of trans people is certainly flawed in that not all (maybe not even a significant fraction) of them were incels before transition. For prior incelcs this might not be completely unresonable though.

[Anonymous No.15688882]

>>15688846
I asked for one book under 400 pages. You're either trying to signal the intellectual rigorousness of your worldview by demonstrating there are a lot of books on the topic you like while ignoring my question, or you simply misread/didn't understand what I was asking for. Not a good look either way. However, assuming you're posting in good faith, can you actually answer my question?

[Anonymous No.15688894]

>>15688866
I mean the initial post I wrote, the answer was not offensive, but everyone takes things differently I guess

[Anonymous No.15688903]

>>15688882
most of them are under 400 pages and i don’t think there is one book that sums it ALL up which is why i posted a list. anyways if you want something extremely modern i’d read feminism is for everybody by hooks. “i don’t like that xP” isn’t a good look either!

[Anonymous No.15688911]

>>15688773
Is that true? Why is dom/sub porn and literature so popular among women? Why do so many of them have rape/humiliation fantasies?

[Anonymous No.15688959]

>>15688911
I mean, the concept of hatesex exists, not everyone is the same. But I thing the key in those examples you just made is fantasy. They are not actually real, they only happen in the mind. And if they are brought in a relationship, they are "acted" out, they don't come from a place of real hate. Rape fantasies in particular, for some they come from trauma, for others is just a form of catharsis; but no woman wants be raped in real life.

[Anonymous No.15688964]

>>15688903
>anyways if you want something extremely modern i’d read feminism is for everybody by hooks
Thanks! Can you tell me more about why you chose that book?
>“i don’t like that xP” isn’t a good look either!
When did I say that?

[Anonymous No.15689005]

>>15688959
Doesn't it being a fantasy imply that they want it to happen? Of course, no woman wants to get raped by an incel, but I'm pretty sure there are a lot of women who want to be raped by Chad.

[Anonymous No.15689020]

>>15688964
sure, it’s concise, accessible, and covers the question of what feminism is, stances on oppression, race, gender, class struggle, men and masculinity, lgbt issues, etc. that are up to modern standards. you’ll read it and get all of the basics down. the second part was me taking autistic liberty with

>You're either trying to signal the intellectual rigorousness of your worldview by demonstrating there are a lot of books on the topic you like while ignoring my question, or you simply misread/didn't understand what I was asking for. Not a good look either way.

because that was a funny response—womanish, even.

[Anonymous No.15689035]

>>15689020
>sure, it’s concise, accessible, and covers the question of what feminism is, stances on oppression, race, gender, class struggle, men and masculinity, lgbt issues, etc. that are up to modern standards. you’ll read it and get all of the basics down. the second part was me taking autistic liberty with
This is exactly what I wanted. Thanks.
>because that was a funny response—womanish, even
Thanks. I try to cultivate my feminine side.

[Anonymous No.15689060]

>>15689035
Post hands. My roastie detector is going off the charts.

[Anonymous No.15689069]

>>15687839
>Fictions is a very inefficient way to convey ideas.
t. STEMtard
Fiction is incredibly efficient at getting you to buy into ideas. Go read "The Storytelling Animal", it has plenty of examples about that.
Non-fiction is great for critical analysis, but it's kinda soulless. Some things can't be explained with science, it's more effective to experience them.

[Anonymous No.15689094]

>>15689060

[Anonymous No.15689108]

>>15689005
not really? fantasy and reality are very different. If I watch a gore video where someone is being brutally murdered, and I enjoy it, does it mean that I want to be murdered in the same way? maybe if you have a fetish for it, but most of the time it is a just a thing humans like to do, thinking about violence. Would it mean, in the context of the video, that I want to murder someone, same thing, but slightly more possible because of the fact that inflicting is easier to bear than being subjected.

[Anonymous No.15689121]

Go outside, talk to people irl, have sex and feel love. That should be enough to change your mind.

[Anonymous No.15689135]

>>15689121
Not OP but the more I do of those three things the more I dislike women. Especially going outside. Sex and love are obvious ways to come to hate women, because you have close association with them and realize how terrible they are. But it really makes you dislike them in a special way when they even ruin the outdoors.

Whether it's by dressing up like pathetic prostitute whores, at all ages, and flaunting their secondary sex characteristics at you when you're just trying to enjoy looking at some ducks and frogs, or it's by voting for open immigration policies because Twitter told them to, resulting in your country being flooded with dangerous swarthy men from the tropics, women are the great ruiners.

[Anonymous No.15689156]

>>15689108
I think these are different things.
Many people are fascinated by gore for a number of reasons (pushing their personal limits of what they are able to stomach and just being exposed to a side of humanity that you can't really see in any other avenue).

For people who aren't pathological, they "enjoy" it purely in the role of the observer. From a man's POV at least, porn is something you enjoy by self-inserting to some extent. The ideal would be to be a participant, rather than an observer.

[Anonymous No.15689166]

>>15689108
I would edit for typo, but who cares.
Still, in relation to the Incel/Chad thing, I don't think it really matters, although with an Incel there is a slight possibility of a woman overpowering a man. Though I don't think that was what you were getting at.
In terms of who's more fuckable, I'm a lesbian, so I don't know, I don't find any male attractive whether incel or chad

[Anonymous No.15689195]

>>15689166
>I don't find any male attractive whether incel or chad
What about pic related?

[Anonymous No.15689227]

>>15689156
Maybe they are. Still, from a woman's POV, I'm aware that rape can and will ruin a woman's life, nothing will look the same again. But if it is just in fantasy, it doesn't really happen and so it is way less scary.
But I'm actually curious: what would a male find in raping a woman? or even, what's attractive about the idea? Power? The "unleashing" of brutal instincts?

[Anonymous No.15689243]

>>15689195
honestly, if I met such a man down the street I would change side of the sidewalk to avoid him as much as possible. Very scary-looking guy, it's a nope.

[Anonymous No.15689256]

>>15689227
>Still, from a woman's POV, I'm aware that rape can and will ruin a woman's life, nothing will look the same again
It seems that this is only true if she's raped by people who she finds unattractive. I actually believe a large portion of women want to be raped by attractive men.
Think about it. If you ask any man a sexual fantasy he has, he always wants that to happen in real life. Ask a man his food fantasies, he always wants to eat them in real life. That's what makes them fantasies. Ask a woman her food fantasies, she wants to eat that food in real life. Ask a woman her ideal partner fantasies, she wants such a partner in real life. But ask a woman her sexual fantasies, and suddenly those are just fantasies, nothing to do with real life?
Sounds very suspicious and frankly, sounds like complete bullshit.

[Anonymous No.15689262]

>>15689243
still me, but what could be considered attractive about him? the physique? the jawline? to me it's like looking at, I don't know, a pillar, I would prefer it not falling on me

[Anonymous No.15689264]

>>15689243
How about now?

[Anonymous No.15689277]

>>15689264
still no? I like women

[Anonymous No.15689282]

>>15689277
Look at his muscles.

[Anonymous No.15689303]

>>15689256
rape fantasies for women (i don’t have any so this is purely guesswork) are probably only attractive in the abstract or conceptually and are acted out via rough sex or pre-planned “non-consent” with a trusted partner. i’m saying this because real rape drives you insane, like it’s painful and leaves you feeling dirty and confused and sick, no matter who does it. the idea of raw force/male power may be attractive to some women who like to feel like rag dolls but in practice it is psychologically devastating. it’s similar to how any fetish or fantasy can be abstract—food vs. rape is a bad comparison.

[Anonymous No.15689306]

>>15687715
>trannies come to exist
Environmental pollutants effecting fetal development.

[Anonymous No.15689320]

>>15689256
if thinking that makes you feel better about your life, go on. Who knows, maybe since I don't find any male attractive I can be considered biased against them. With women is a different act altogether, and it is also way more difficult to happen, so again, who knows.
But then how about women who get raped by their boyfriends/husbands? surely they found them attractive, yet it is still traumatic.

[Anonymous No.15689329]

>>15689303
this

[Anonymous No.15689341]

>>15689282
you're just trolling at this point lol, but if you find him so attractive why don't you find one for yourself?

[Anonymous No.15689342]

>>15687715
Sexual Politics by Kate Millet is an important and comfy book on the basis of Radical Feminism. It's no man-hating bullshit; it's rather everyone (especially women from the front of feminism) against an ideology that opresses women and everyone else through ideals and characterizations in art and media.

[Anonymous No.15689359]

>>15687715
Oh, I forgot to add: on trans people read Judith Butler's Gender Trouble

[Anonymous No.15689420]

>>15687715
>But I want to be open minded: perhaps I am wrong
you're not. i'm a racist misogynistic incel, but i'm also homophobic. feminism is bullshit OP. only good feminist book is maybe the scum manifesto. modern feminism is moronic bullshit. women shouldn't have rights, minorities shouldn't have rights, homosexuals shouldn't have rights, this whole society is fucked

[Anonymous No.15689422]

>>15687715
Don't read anything by radfem whores. They are just bad as the incels, probably even worse though. These women are just mentally ill.

[Anonymous No.15689426]

>>15689303
This, women's fantasies of wanting to be "raped" are the female equivalent of male coomers taking their dominance fantasies so far, and in such a porn-sealed echo chamber, that they lose all touch with reality, and start involving fantastical shit like saving their cum up in a freezer and making a woman bathe in it. Male sexuality supplies the initial kernel of fantasy, of finding semen (and women interacting with it or consuming it) symbolically significant of power dynamics, or evidence of virility. But you don't get from "It's hot to ejaculate inside a woman" to "I want her to cook a wedding cake with my supplement-enhanced mega cumloads and EAT IT" without being sealed in a porno resonance chamber with those fantasies for 10+ years, endlessly edging, and needing crazier and deeper extensions of the fetish to keep you going.

Women's lust and arousal doesn't work quite the same way as men's. The danger of male sexuality, improperly contained, is when it comes out in explosive, weird, obtrusive episodes, where the man loses sight of his own dignity and the desires of others, because he's in animal heat and suddenly feels the overwhelming urge to project his stupid fetishes onto people who aren't interested. The pathological form of male sexuality is the notorious "wold u pee on my dick jw... haha jk... but seriously would u?" text at 2AM to a coworker. The danger of female sexuality is different and more insidious. Women are less prone to "singular" outbursts of lust like this. Instead, the danger is that their arousal is capable of being sublimated across their whole personality until it erodes it and replaces it altogether.

A male coomer will text you at 2AM to ask you if you'd fart on his face. A female coomer is an instagram thot, whose entire existence revolves around attracting/rejecting/seeking the validation of men. Rape fantasies are the natural concomitant of this hypertrophied female sexuality. Both men and women fetishize power/"ravishing" dynamics, inherent in sex. For men, these come out in obvious and highly visible eruptions, which makes them easier to shame and reform. For women, they come out as having a fundamentally unhealthy relationship to one's own sexuality, that can become so seamlessly intertwined with one's ostensibly "non-sexual" existence that the latter is eroded over time, and the damage is much harder to fix.

Men can be retarded pervs, but only women are stupid enough to build an entire sense of self out of instagram thottery, petty drama and hating other women over competition for male attention, and being a "tradwife" who submits to her based masculine husbando. But the psychodynamics are the same. The man is being a coomer when he texts you "haha what do your shoes smell like jw?," and the woman is being a coomer when she allows her fantasies of being taken by a powerful man to be merely the obverse of her passive, hyper-sexed personality and lifestyle revolving around cosmetics and preening.

[Anonymous No.15689478]

>>15689303
>i’m saying this because real rape drives you insane, like it’s painful and leaves you feeling dirty and confused and sick, no matter who does it.
How do you know that?
>the idea of raw force/male power may be attractive to some women who like to feel like rag dolls
See >>15689005
over half of all women have rape fantasies
>but in practice it is psychologically devastating
Yes because women are almost never raped by someone they are sexually attracted to.
>it’s similar to how any fetish or fantasy can be abstract
Name 1 fantasy that men have that is about something that could happen in real life but that he doesn't actually want to happen in real life.
Or at least give a nonsexual fantasy for women that is of such nature. I don't think there are any, which is why this all looks like bs.
>>15689320
May I ask are you on any sort of medication? Any kind of hormones? i.e. do you take any kind of pills regularly?
>But then how about women who get raped by their boyfriends/husbands?
I think most married couples quickly get bored of each other sexually. That's why cheating is so prevalent on both parts. I invite you to find how many of those rapes happened during the first year of marriage vs the other years and see how they compare. I guarantee 100% that you'll find almost no rapes during the first year of marriage. That's because they still find each other sexually attractive.
>>15689341
I'm not gay.

[Anonymous No.15689496]

>>15689227
I'm not a rapist so this is complete conjecture.
I just assume it's about exercising power over a woman because if it was simply about having sex with an attractive woman, whilst skipping an onerous courtship process, you could pay a prostitute. She'd pretend she likes you and you won't be ruining her life (any more that it's already ruined, depending on your views on sex work).

[Anonymous No.15689504]

>>15688686
women are indeed inferior to male.
>Muh oppression
Just a retarded cope. Nowdays you got more power than man is several aspects:
>STEM fields have lower the requirements for women
>Diversity quotas promote woman in jobs
>Women are portrayed as strong an independent by the media.
>You can literally ruin a man's life thanks to a false rape accusation
>Women cannot be criticized nowdays without being called misogynist.
Now tell there is scientific evidence for this?
>The page you posted about the Xenofeminist manifesto is a mess. Xenofeminism is tricky because, as for Accelerationsim (which it belongs), it can either be a well thought ideology or a wacky one (not even going into left or right wing acceleration). Some xenofeminists are inherently radical feminists, mostly with their idea that science and technology has been through the centuries a patriarchal tool that women should reappropriate. The major book is the one by Helen Hester.
man literally invented science and will dominated by males. Males brains are more prone to be more effective in stem fields thus bring more technology and advances to soceity. Why you think females should reappropiate science. Also Dworkin is a mentally ill whore.

[Anonymous No.15689515]

>>15689496
>prostitute
I've literally never seen an attractive prostitute (discounting the prostitutes that just sell their nudes online like on onlyfans).

[Anonymous No.15689532]

>>15689256
I don't think this is true though.
I think fantasies are generally for the fantasy, rather that the true equivalent of whatever you are seeing.
Most fantasies, when transported into a real-world context aren't quite as appealing when you think about the context and repercussions beyond the half an hour that constitutes the sexual scenario.

[Anonymous No.15689539]

>>15687715
Don't read Dworkin. She is a mentally ill whore. The radfem whores are probably just as bad as incels.

[Anonymous No.15689571]

>>15687715
Why there so many roasties here calling Dworkin a good author? I know OP wants to see the other perspective, but this bitch is crazy. Nigga, you don't to read all that radfem garbage. Just go outside and talk to people.

[Anonymous No.15689574]

>>15689426
You sound like you're really fat. How much do you weigh?

[Anonymous No.15689578]

>>15689515
I've seen plenty (on visits to Amsterdam and Thailand). I will admit that most are quite busted, but still probably less than the average woman.
In modern times, there are literal online directories of hookers. I just had a look at a popular option for my country and there are 78 profiles listed within 5 miles of me.
I don't know how accurate these pictures are, but taken at face value I'd be quite spoilt for choice in terms of attractive women.

[Anonymous No.15689595]

>>15689578
Care to share a picture of an attractive hooker?

[Anonymous No.15689611]

>>15688751
Are women forbidden from pandering to the male gaze? Why is their perception of feminine wrong and yours right? Do you feel that men should have similar authority to dictate how they act regarding women?

[Anonymous No.15689628]

>>15688877
Entirely valid criticism. I'm gonna cover my ass and say
>this is explained by the fact that the incels-turned-Tranissaries dominate the Trans culture, so that when someone who has autogynephilia but is otherwise normal comes along, he gets encouraged to transition instead of just fucking his GF in a dress or whatever. Thus, just as Tomboys get encouraged to be Dykes or transition, transvestites ALSO get lumped into this crowd.

[Anonymous No.15689631]

I'm still waiting on the one (1) example of a fantasy that people have that is not a female rape fantasy (that a STAGGERING >50% of women have!!!) that people don't actually want to happen in real life, even if executed exactly as in the fantasy.
Protip: you can't, because there are none. Because "it's just a fantasy, women don't actually want to be raped" is BULLSHIT! Most women want to be raped, just not by incels. Chad only.

[Anonymous No.15689636]

>>15689478
really?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marital_rape

> I'm not gay
then what were you trying to prove? not even you find that guy attractive.

[Anonymous No.15689644]

>>15689504
whatever helps you sleep better at night mate

[Anonymous No.15689651]

>>15689595
I only really like Asian women, so this wouldn't be my choice but I think she'd be classed as conventionally attractive and has ~50 positive "reviews".

[Anonymous No.15689669]

>>15689611
never said that my perception is right compared to others. I said that trans people seem to see that as the only way to be a woman. When faced with the question: what is a woman? they have very confused answers, at least in my experience

[Anonymous No.15689671]

>>15689631
slavery? vore? you’d have to be an unprincipled retard to be anything more than conceptually turned on by those. not saying there aren’t unprincipled retards but i think many people with these fetishes do not actually want their fantasies to become reality.

[Anonymous No.15689677]

>>15689651
Very low res pic with poor lighting on the face. Do you have a pic where the face is well-visible?

[Anonymous No.15689680]

>>15689631
I think American Beauty is a good example.
I think a lot of men sort of fetishise physically mature but very young women (because they look good).
The fantasy version is often a proactive vixen who is almost on a level playing field with the male, sexually.
In reality, you're probably dealing with an awkward virgin who has the self-assuredness and intelligence of the average person under the age of 23, which is much less sexy.

[Anonymous No.15689687]

>>15689628
this

[Anonymous No.15689692]

What a garbage thread. The entire internet is unusable now because of you Covid summerfags.

[Anonymous No.15689706]

>>15689692
I bet you were on 4chan before 2013

[Anonymous No.15689708]

>>15689644
Not even an argument. Your whole ideology is based on slave morality. You didn't refute anything. Now tell me:
>STEM fields have lower the requirements for women
>Diversity quotas promote woman in jobs
>Women are portrayed as strong an independent by the media.
>You can literally ruin a man's life thanks to a false rape accusation
>Women cannot be criticized nowdays without being called misogynist.
Those radfem writer are nothing more than waste of flesh. They don't anything good for humanity. Also, tell me how many women are important scientist today? You got more freedom nowdays than before what are you doing?
>Writing useless books on slave morality ideology.
>Posting on instagram to get chad attention.
>Complaining about men being bad.
Why women are not doing anything for the progress of humanity even though you got freedom?

[Anonymous No.15689731]

>>15689708
i’m sorry, i don’t read ESL posts

[Anonymous No.15689750]

>>15689677
All of the preview pics on the site are quite low res(for some reason) and a lot of them partially censor their face (for obvious reasons).
I picked that one because it showed more face than the rest of her pics but if I saw her on the street I'd take a second look and I don't think the lighting is doing enough to change that.
Body alone, she's probably in the top 1% of women and you can have her for a price that's probably manageable for most people.

[Anonymous No.15689760]

>>15689731
>Ad hominem
Typical. English isn't my first language. Now how that makes my argument less valid?

[Anonymous No.15689855]

>>15687715
Something recently clicked with me about both incels and trannies. Incels and trannies both spend a ton of time online communicating in similar spaces. I know misogyny is rampant enough, but I'm making the claim that tranny jealousy has stoked the flames of misogyny online. I think hatred for women in online spaces has never been higher and a portion of that hatred is directly caused by seething trannies. They have changed the nature of misogynistic discourse from "women could never do (insert masculine task here)" to "women can do x but men cannot". The tone of misogyny has become bitchy, whiny, and ironically womanish.
If men are going to restore male identity then misogyny itself must be reformed from its present disgusting state. Instead of bitching about what advantages women have over men reframe their behavior as violating masculine virtues. No man would engage in their permitted behavior because it would be dishonorable, cowardly, dishonest, etc. They can take the whole material world from us, (and often do in court) but they cannot take the spiritual identity of a man. Perhaps antagonistic misogyny actually served a useful role in maintaining functioning identity frameworks. The hatred should not be directed at women, but the degenerate forces eroding all identities of value.
Honestly, outright misogyny is rarely a good trait. The better traits are male virtues currently labeled "toxic masculinity." Some of that is misogyny, but some of it is male dominance behavior. Stuff like physical combat and verbal bravado. That's what needs to be resurrected and declared valuable. Not defended, just repeated as a fact unflinchingly until it is respected.
tl;dr: Before hating on women make sure you aren't being a little bitch yourself.

[Anonymous No.15689867]

Are you autistic, OP? Your line of reasoning sounds like "autistic thinking", as well as some of your behaviours.

>>15689631
Rape is by definition "sex without consent", so no, no one wants to be raped. Women who fantasize about "rape" just fantasize about "men who don't need to be given verbal consent because they know what women want". This is fantastical for a lot of reasons. I'd say that the main one is that being down to fuck is not a perpetual state women are in, so it depends on their mood and will.
The fact that this fantasy takes place in a controlled, idealized context makes is completely dissonant to what you would interpret as "rape" by definition.
You are not incorrect about the relations of power, though you shouldn't use that piece of information to categorize other people since everyone has a specific context to their lives. To not take in consideration the chaos and noise of human uniqueness would be "autistic thinking".

[Anonymous No.15689894]

>>15689708
> in my country what you define as STEM have the same requirements
> rightfully so, since in the last centuries women have been barred from having jobs
> this has only just started happening in the last decades, if we were to make a list there would be way more "strong and independent" males in media portrayals
> I don't condone the use of false allegations, but if the allegation is true then the man deserves to have his life ruined, just as he ruined the woman's
> untrue if the criticism is honest and backed up, plus women are criticized all the time (source: I'm a woman)
> if you bothered to research the history of science you'd find many females in the field. Less than males sure, but keep in mind women could not even have a degree until the fourties. What about right now? Just look it man
> the last three things: they are subjective, if that's your opinion ok, but males do the same in reverse and on different platforms. I mean, look at where we are.

Now, I actually have a life, so I'm getting back to it

[Anonymous No.15689898]

>>15689706
I've been on and off on 4chan since 2009. It was ok, then it was garbage, then it was ok again, and now it's garbage again. Somehow it being garbage always coincides with election season.

[Anonymous No.15689979]

>>15688002
Trannies are always acting. They're literally pretending to be someone who they're not. It's just escapism. They try to act like how they think a woman would act, but it always looks a bit fake or overly theatrical. Their whole existence is a lie that happened due to some psychological complexes probably stemming from childhood trauma. They use their new identity (including a new name, which also has pseudo-religious implications about starting anew) to escape their old selves in the hope that their problems will vanish. It's fascinating. Just look up any interview with a trans person and they will always talk about their transition in religious terms: it was an 'awakening' where they could become their 'true self', and often this awakening happened during a period of crisis: a divorce, getting out of bussiness, children leaving home etc.

Trannies are fucking miserable because their whole life is a lie due to an extreme impulse to escape. Literally no MTF tranny looks even remotely feminine, and don't give me those perfect photos from certain angles that distort those masculine features. Many transgenders eventually transition back because they realize their mistakes. Others commit suicide or live a lifetime of all kinds of neurotic illnesses that can all be traced back to their whole identity being faked for escapism. Only gays in the closet would seriously date a MTF tranny.

Don't fuck with the psyche, kids. It will fuck with you and make you believe things that are so absurd and so far removed from reality that your self will simply metaphorically die at that point, replaced by some surrogate fake identity mask.

I never understood why trans people are grouped with LGB, Afro-Americans, Latinos etc. LGB is something you are born with, while also being strongly culturally dependent (see ancient Greece). Being trans is literally a neurotic copic mechanism of the unconcious, and this is so extremely obvious that I do not understand how these people are treated like some sort of suppressed race.

Why, you ask? I think there are two reasons:

1. Nobody dares to criticize the notion of transgenderism due to political correctness. People who doubted the 'female brain' hypothesis and instead went for the 'therapy' angle have even been threatened with violence and murder. The argument is that 'trans' is an identity just like being white or black, and that their rights are therefore not under question because 'their existence is not a right'.

2. The neglect of the unconcious in academic psychology. This is an understatement. Psychology professors nowadays openly mock Freud and Jung as being full of shit and being unscientific. Of course, the unconcious cannot be empirically verified and anyone with basic philosophical knowledge would be able to make this connection. Yet the academic psychologists never read anything that is not also academic psychology, which is literally the combination of observing of behaviour in a lab (behavorism) 1/2

[Anonymous No.15689987]

>>15689894
> in my country what you define as STEM have the same requirements
https://www.theylj.co.uk/should-employers-be-made-to-lower-requirements-for-women-into-stem-careers/
https://medium.com/@syedanoshinj/should-women-be-allowed-to-enter-stem-careers-with-lower-grade-requirements-42edddbe0f00
https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2018/01/09/women-and-men-in-stem-often-at-odds-over-workplace-equity/
https://www.tadpgs.com/challenges-women-stem-jobs
https://www.lever.co/blog/how-to-work-toward-gender-diversity-in-the-workplace/
https://theconversation.com/us-civil-services-preference-for-hiring-military-vets-comes-at-a-hidden-cost-78078
https://m.oecdobserver.org/news/fullstory.php/aid/4891/Why_quotas_work_for_gender_equality.html
https://www.gendereconomy.org/the-debate-about-quotas/
>rightfully so, since in the last centuries women have been barred from having jobs
Not a good argument. People should be selected on based on merit not gender. You think it is fair for man that is more compentent than a women not be elected because he is a man. Diversity quotas shouldn't exist. If you are not competent then goodbye. Also see above.
>> this has only just started happening in the last decades, if we were to make a list there would be way more "strong and independent" males in media portrayals
Ok I can agree with this one.
> I don't condone the use of false allegations, but if the allegation is true then the man deserves to have his life ruined, just as he ruined the woman's
There are several cases of this happening. I neither condone rape, but do you realize that women that do these accusations are never punished? Equality kek.
>untrue if the criticism is honest and backed up, plus women are criticized all the time (source: I'm a woman)
The criticism probably is less harsh. I can literally call horrible names to another man, but if I call a woman bitch they lose their shit. Also, is women or man that criticize you most?
> if you bothered to research the history of science you'd find many females in the field. Less than males sure, but keep in mind women could not even have a degree until the fourties. What about right now? Just look it man
There are females sure. Nevertheless there will be more males than females in these fields because the female brain is different to the male brain. Males have a tendency to use more the left side which is associated with math, logic, science etc.
> the last three things: they are subjective, if that's your opinion ok, but males do the same in reverse and on different platforms. I mean, look at where we are.
I may agree this one as well. This isn't a male or female problem is more a normalfag problem.

[Anonymous No.15690015]

>>15689894
Also tell me how radfem will improve society? You think man hating is going to do anything? I noticed that most radfems are usually very mentally ill people and very mediocre(see: Dworkin and Valerie). I only see this ideology as nothing more than slave morality. Blaming the strong for sucess and making the weak a victim. The patriarchy to me is nothing more than bogeyman created by these individuals to explain their failures.

[Anonymous No.15690062]

2/2 which of course is controlled by the circumstances of the lab and therefore never sponteneous or authentic, resulting in many of these studies being repeated years later with completely different results. Fraud is also very common among academic psychologists because they're studies are full of shit and they know it. No other academic discipline has, by far, this many cases of non-repeated studies and fraud. The other aspect of academic psychology is neuropsychiatry. This basically boils down to: "When sad, this part lights up" it's totally reductive and has nothing to do with the inner life of a human being. So basically the unconcious, which allows for many very accurate explanations of human behaviour, is cut away in favour of the study of behaviour which in my opinion has nothing to do with the study of the psyche.

People really underestimate what a nonsense discipline psychology is. Often people rail against African studies or women studies or whatever, but at least people learn something there. Psychology literally consists of made up correlations and forced conclusions that are so superficial ("When you give a pen to someone, that person will like you more." which by the way, got refuted after it got repeated like 20 years later.) Psychology is literally the equivalent of alchemy (which is ironic because Jung discovered that alchemists studied nothing because there was nothing to study, and instead this vacuum got filled with unconcious images of the archetypes). The psyche (which also does not exist in academic psychology) should be approached from an internal/phenomenological perspective in order for it to be even remotely meaningful for the patient. Jungian psychology would be perfectly able to explain the strange phenomenon of transgenders in a complex way (anima possession, unconcious complexes, domination of archetypes when ego-concious is weak) rather than "Uhm, they have like, female brains man" even though the rest of their homonal system is male and even though no transgenders actually have to get a brain scan prior to transitioning.

I predict that academic psychology will collapse within 20 years, and instead will branch out into neuropsychiatry on the one hand (which boils down to: which pills can we develop that will develop some chemical balance somewhere) and a revaluation of the psychoanalysts and then most importantly Jung who is the Giordano Bruno of the human psyche.

[Anonymous No.15690130]

I genuinely dont think women experienced the proper evolutionary pressure to develop souls.
Souls are forged in challenge, struggle and violence. They're crafted by long nights alone with your thoughts. They're tempered and tested with the friends you hold dear and shed blood and sweat for.

Miss me with any materialist hogwash.

[Anonymous No.15690190]

>>15690130
Negro I have studied philosophy all my life and never encountered such a bullshit theory on the soul. Leave this for your DnD group, but you obviously have no idea what a 'soul' is. More or less all religions claim that the body becomes ensouled shortly after conception. It is not 'crafted by thoughts', nor can the soul be developed whatever that means.

You're just making up nonsensical theories to justify your hated of women, my guy. And let me guess, the most struggle and violence you ever experienced was probably a hobo who yelled at you on a street corner at 2AM

[Anonymous No.15690214]

>>15690130
In what way do those activities exclude women? Do women not face challenges, struggle, exert violence and have violence exerted upon them? Do they not spend nights alone? Do they not bleed for and with friends?
Listen to >>15690190

[Anonymous No.15690222]

>>15690190
you don’t know real struggle friend. You’ve obviously never had your mom refuse to make your tendies even tho you had the gbp for it. Women are scum.

[Anonymous No.15690269]

I don't know if this thread makes me want more 4chan or less.

[Anonymous No.15690335]

>>15690214
Women exist without struggle and all society is built around minimizing their struggle. Women are pampered children, and like children, they havent been properly given the experience they need to grow as genuine actualized people. Life to women isn't what life is to men.

[Anonymous No.15690344]

>>15690130
Back this up with some war stories or fuck off

[Anonymous No.15690356]

>>15690335
"White men exist without struggle and all society is built around minimizing their struggle. White men are pampered children, and like children, they havent been properly given the experience they need to grow as genuine actualized people. Life to white men isn't what life is to anyone else."

[Anonymous No.15690362]

>>15690190
There's plenty of religions where spiritual development is key, even spiritual development over generations in a family. There's sects of Hinduism that specifically stress generational spiritual development.
It's not a stretch to say that the spiritual component of life is modified by these conditions of life lover generations. The same way that intelligence amongst animals is a progressing gradient, so must be the spiritual element.

[Anonymous No.15690379]

>>15687839
https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/feminism-gender/ read this and then pick out things from the bibliography to read

[Anonymous No.15690383]

>>15690356
Nice

[Anonymous No.15690390]

>>15687839
>My views on women were formed from the synthesis of hanging out on incel forums, looking at the blackpill statistics, watching Grace Alexander's videos and consuming a lot of red pill, black pill, MGTOW content.
So nothing to do with actual women. You're an easily manipulated fool.

[Anonymous No.15690399]

>>15690356
Properly based

[Anonymous No.15690408]

>>15690390
He should not be even ask for radfem books. They are even worse than all that mgtow garbage. He was being manipulated by those fags but why he wants to be now manipulated by that feminist garbage?

[Anonymous No.15690410]

>>15690356
Is this what twitter obsessed white people think is some kind of gotcha?
There is a specific trend to women lacking functional, spiritual development. Which is why they tend to follow trends without thought and which is why they take to commoditized nonsense like tarot cards or astrology so easily. They're children desperately trying to emulate the more experienced but they don't have the requisite spiritual knowledge to make their own development or consider it past the most base level.

[Anonymous No.15690464]

>>15690408
My impression is that it's because those people can't think outside the paradigm of "redpills", i.e. consuming emotionally persuasive ideology and making it their identity.

[Anonymous No.15690469]

>>15690410
Haha you got owned.
Let me try one:
"There is a specific trend to white men lacking functional, spiritual development. Which is why they tend to follow trends without thought and which is why they take to easily sold to idiots nonsense like drawing ought to:s from evolutionary biology or eugenics so easily. They're children desperately trying to emulate the more experienced but they don't have the requisite spiritual knowledge to make their own development or consider it past the most base level."

[Anonymous No.15690470]

>>15690383
>>15690399
Seething roasties.

[Anonymous No.15690475]

>>15690410
alright guy, i’ll be charitable and assume that this is something you’ve observed rather than had spoon fed to you by your social media outlet of choice.

What you’re noticing is that women are vines, and that men are the trestle on which they grow. Both require one another to flourish. When you make the leap to say that women are inferior then you’re doing a shitty job at being a trestle.

What you’re suffering from is extremely common, and is the just desserts of a society that has chosen material abundance at the cost of spiritual poverty. Find whatever bitterness lay in your heart and unfuck yourself. With a little bit of effort you’ll have better luck in the next life.

[Anonymous No.15690497]

>>15690464
True, but going to the polar opposite is not good. As much I hate those fedora neckbeards I also hate radfems and similar groups. Going to the polar opposite will not do anything good. These people are just as intolerant as their counterparts.

[Anonymous No.15690537]

>>15690470
Very often when you ridicule an r9k/pol-tard they pick from their selection of brain ghost boogeymen and proclaim "this is who you must be" and it's always completely off the mark. It's interesting to see such crystallized examples of delusion.

[Anonymous No.15690548]

odds on OP being 2 steps from autistic tranner shenanigans

[Anonymous No.15690557]

>>15690537
>when you ridicule an r9k/pol-tard
>their selection of brain ghost boogeymen
m8

[Anonymous No.15690574]

>>15690557
I understand your implication and it's wrong. View it in context. Try to figure it out.

[Anonymous No.15690579]

>>15690557
kek btfo

[Anonymous No.15690583]

>>15690574
we believe in you!!

[Anonymous No.15690613]

>>15690410
Listen dude, you post on this hateful den of iniquity just like the rest of us. You have no business saying who is or isn't "spiritually developed."

[Anonymous No.15690646]

>>15690537
Excellent projection. Just like roasties and cucks can say incel and have sex. You are just being hypocrite. Literally you assume the whole posture of an individual by saying "incel, virgin, etc". Why are you so hypocrite?

[Anonymous No.15690648]

>>15687715
read actual medical literature about trans people lmfao

[Anonymous No.15690687]

>>15687715
if you are unironically an incel and identify with this ideology, you should see a therapist before it ruins your life (more than it probably already has) i'm 100% serious

[Anonymous No.15690804]

>>15690646
This is a joke right? Or did you inadvertently embody my point? I addressed a post who expressed a view frequently expressed on /r9k/ and made a general observation about posters that express ideas prevalent on /pol/ and /r9k/. Concrete enough? The post was of course a response to a baseless assumption that I was a "seething roastie" which is inaccurate fundamentally. You then write your post to a person who has never posted "incel" , "have sex" or "virgin" etc. ever. Baseless assumption vs concrete observation. Do you understand?

[Anonymous No.15690834]

>>15689867
>Are you autistic, OP?
I don't think I am. Haven't been tested though.
>Women who fantasize about "rape" just fantasize about "men who don't need to be given verbal consent because they know what women want"
They don't say they "fantasize about "rape"". They say they "fantasize about rape". Stop trying to mindread. They know what they mean by rape.
>>15689898
I think it's pretty good nowadays too.
>>15689979
Sounds like you really hate trannies. Who hurt you?
>>15690379
That's a good suggestion. Probably the best one so far. Thanks!
>>15690648
How will that help?
>>15690687
How will it ruin my life? I don't completely identify with their ideology. I'm actually probably much higher on the sociosexual hierarchy than most incels. My main issue is that I'm severely socially impaired. The places where I agree with them is the scientific blackpill and the hate of women/pointing out the hypocrisy in society.

[Anonymous No.15690892]

>>15690834
>The places where I agree with them is the scientific blackpill and the hate of women/pointing out the hypocrisy in society
AKA the places that actually matter

[Anonymous No.15690927]

>>15690804
>You then write your post to a person who has never posted "incel" , "have sex" or "virgin" etc. ever.
What garantee do I have of that? You are most likely lying. Even though r9k likes to call people roasties, leftists have their own ways to insult and portray people. You literally supported a post portraying white men as weak and also generalizing them. Most of this narrative is pushed in the left. Thus, it is logical that I can assume you must be somewhat left wing and thus you probably have used the previous mentionated words.

[Anonymous No.15691007]

>>15690927
>it is logical that I can assume
yet you're wrong, stop doing this or keep living a lie, your choice, no guarantees just one path where you may delude yourself and feel you know more and one where don't delude yourself at the price of more of the world becoming unknown, two pills bitch, what's the easier way?

[Anonymous No.15691081]

>>15691007
Ok mister. I want you to show me how little I know about the world. Do radfem are actually right? White man is evil? Please if you can give books to enlight me would be appreciated.

[Anonymous No.15691195]

>>15691081
>Do radfem are actually right?
If we're thinking about the same set of ideas being radfem then I'm not convinced by almost any of them.
>White man is evil?
Obviously not. Racist nonsense.

I'm sorry I can't give books to enlighten you. I mostly read fiction but I think it's a good catalyst for thought and worthwhile. I last read tortilla flat by steinbeck and it made me think about rationalizations. I recommend it for plain enjoyment too.

[Anonymous No.15691214]

>>15691081
Lad, the original post was a Conan-esque evaluation of women that purported that their lack of struggle makes dispossesses them of souls. The answer post directed the attack at the demographic OP likely belongs to, and showed how ridiculous and universal a claim it was. You're getting angry at nothing, you idiot, you're getting angry at capitalism and making it about gender like some lefty cuck.

[Anonymous No.15691239]

>>15691195
>>White man is evil?
>Obviously not. Racist nonsense.
Get the fuck out of here, hateful bigot. You can't be racist against whites. Whites ARE the people who created racism and engage in it every day of their lives. You defending the white man is you supporting white supremacy.
>>>/pol/

[Anonymous No.15691260]

>>15690497
Oh yes, that's exactly what I meant. As far as I can tell, in their worldview the only alternative is to take the opposite "pill". That's why they ask for books that will convert them to the "other side" in the same way they were converted to their current ideology. They don't think outside that paradigm.

[Anonymous No.15691284]

>>15691195
>>15691214
Fair enough.

[Anonymous No.15691306]

This will do the trick OP.
It will show how your worldviews are nothing but copes to the real and only blackpill: there is nothing after death.

[Anonymous No.15691309]

>>15691260
ÒP here. You strike me as a very unintelligent person. I have the incel/blackpill/redpill/worldview you speak off so why don't you just ask me what I believe instead of making assumptions like that?
>As far as I can tell, in their worldview the only alternative is to take the opposite "pill".
Completely wrong. Many actors on the manosphere/mgtow/incel communites have radically different views. The things that unite them are only the most core beliefs and scepticism of the commonly offered narrative.
Many MGTOW people believe that it's totally worthless to engage with women at all. I disagree and think that if you're a Chad/Chadlite women are fucking great. A lot of them endorse the hermit lifestyle and I think it's very unhealthy and simply goes against human nature. More generally I see a consistent theme of MGTOWs trying to go against human nature, to transcend it while I think it's sometimes good to be a slave, to go along nature can make you much happier and satisfied with your life, even if you will endure a lot of suffering and loss.
>That's why they ask for books that will convert them to the "other side" in the same way they were converted to their current ideology
That's a ridiculously low IQ thing to say. Seriously, I encourage you to reflect upon this sentence and try to think for yourself of what is wrong with it.
First of all, I did not ask for books to convert me to the opposite ideology. Show me one place where I used the word "convert" or its synonym. I simply want to understand the other side. That's called being open minded.
> same way they were converted to their current ideology
Are you saying it's a bad thing to form your ideology from the knowledge you gain by reading books? I assume you don't think about what you read at all, you don't let it affect your thoughts because then you would be converted to a new ideology, right? So unbelievably stupid. Books are there to change minds.
>They don't think outside that paradigm.
What paradigm exactly is that?

[Anonymous No.15691681]

>>15689478
if you knew any woman(or gotten really close to enough men) you'd know how devastating rape is. about 1/4 of the women i know have been raped and more have been sexually assaulted, it fucks up your sexuality and trust in others permanently.

imagine being beaten, robbed and hospitalized by a gang of black men. you would be on edge around black people for a long fucking time, if not forever. you would never be comfortable in the area it happened in, and if it was a part of your commute you'd probably go to some pains to avoid it.

being powerless in a traumatic situation is the root of ptsd. it's the difference between losing a fist fight and getting jumped. in ww2 ptsd was called shell shock not gunfight shock.

[Anonymous No.15691730]

>>15690390
cope
this is a screenshot from a Polish fb group for young women, the numbers are their ages and number of sexual partners, recall that our country is supposed to be the "based" and "trad" one. if that's so, I can't even fathom what does it look like in US lmao

[Anonymous No.15691882]

>>15687715
Kudos for showing some self-skepticism. You might identify as some terrible things, but you don't seem like a terrible person.

The thing to remember is that right now we're in the middle of a cultural revolution similar to what happened in China in the 60s. The conflict has nothing to do with wanting to improve the world, but moreso to release a bunch of pent up mental energies. Notice that what the lefties, incels, trads, trannies all have in common is that they're really upset. It doesn't matter what they're upset about - they're just upset. Mostly about how other people have treated them. Everyone agrees that shit is fucked - and everyone is trying desperately to blame someone other than themselves. Complaining about normies is just a race to the bottom.

The only winning move is not to play. You've made a great first step in wanting to get out of the incelosphere. But instead of picking a new side, try and remove yourself from that headspace entirely. Unfortunately, modern feminist/LGBTQ shit is going to be as cucked as the incel shit. Even if you read stuff from 50 or 100 years ago, your mind is in too combative a state to actually learn anything from it. Imagine that you're a dog bread for nothing but dogfighting and that you have to rehabilitate yourself to be able to hang out with other dogs.

Do some meditation, do some team sports, read about paleontology, nature, etc. There are books about how to develop social skills. A therapist is a good resource if you can afford one.

Either way - I hope you nothing but the best. Everyone is capable of improving themselves as long as you give yourself the chance to.

[Anonymous No.15691915]

>>15691681
>if you knew any woman(or gotten really close to enough men) you'd know how devastating rape is.
I never denied that being raped by someone you're not attracted to is devastating and painful. Obviously no woman wants to be raped by an incel.
>about 1/4 of the women i know have been raped and more have been sexually assaulted, it fucks up your sexuality and trust in others permanently
No doubt.
I agree with everything in your post but none of it is relevant to what I said.

[Anonymous No.15691965]

>>15691730
wow look this one social media screenshot that i got from social media that totally proves the point that me and my social media friends make about why people on social media ignore my social media. If you disagree it’s probably because your social media is filled with people using social media to reinforce the ideas that got while using social media. I’m gonna instead use social media to find other people using social media to complain about people like you who use social media to complain about people using social media.

[Anonymous No.15692008]

>>15687715
I don't have male friends, only females, and I like them very much, women can be very honorable and strong. Sometimes you can even talk to them about something deep about gender relations do see how to change. I'm a philogynist, there's something about how women act and think that makes me like them, their sensibility, common sense. AMA

[Anonymous No.15692009]

>>15687715
Being a racist is the midwit filter. 80 IQ-140 IQ unity.

[Anonymous No.15692013]

>>15691915
>being raped by someone you're not attracted t
What an idiot.

[Anonymous No.15692022]

>>15691730
Whats wrong with that?

[Anonymous No.15692070]

>>15692013
In what way? Are you saying it's impossible to be raped by someone who you're sexually attracted to? There are many reasons why woman would want to refuse the sexual advances of someone she's attracted to, for example, to keep face and dignity, or because she's already married and knows that it will bring bad consequences to her life.

[Anonymous No.15692078]

>>15692070
>"i am very smart" the post

[Anonymous No.15692090]

>>15688773
Stop talking like a nigger. I hate the “Did I lie?” meme. Niggers don’t understand that making a false statement is not the same thing as lying, as lying implies an intention to deceive.

[Anonymous No.15692094]

>>15688103
>read che guevara
>to stop being an incel

[Anonymous No.15692112]

>>15692078
lol where did that come from?

[Anonymous No.15692120]

>>15692022
Maybe the fact that some poor shmuck is gonna marry one of them? Are you a big fan of getting some sloppy seconds?

[Anonymous No.15692134]

>>15692112
>"I am clutching pearls" the post