/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.15681269]

>latin
>pronouncing C "ch" instead of "k"
cringe.

[Anonymous No.15681274]

>>15681269
No one does that. C is K in Latin.

[Anonymous No.15681303]

big kerebrum moment

[Anonymous No.15681318]

>>15681269
Probably just the retrograde influence of people being familiar with Italian.

[Anonymous No.15681322]

ecclesiastical latin is usually pronounced as if it's Italian, so if c is followed by e or i it's pronounced ch. But it's a dead language anyway so who cares

[Anonymous No.15681327]

>Latin
>V
>”vuh” not “wuh”

[Anonymous No.15681337]

>>15681269
>speaking about latin authors
>"Yeah I really appreciate the works of Kickero."
>"Wtf anon, do you mean Sissyro?"
>"Actually..:"
God I love pwning brainlets.

[Anonymous No.15681496]

>>15681274
It's the modern Italian pronunciation, and lots of people do it. Do you normally hear "veni vidi vichi" or "weni widi wiki"?

[Anonymous No.15681508]

>>15681337
toppum cec

[Anonymous No.15681536]

Cecistan?

[Anonymous No.15681545]

>>15681496
Seriously? Maybe it's because I learned to use a classical pronunciation, I always pronounce V as W, C as K, and Y as OO.

[Anonymous No.15681552]

>>15681269
arma veerumkway karno, troyay kwee preemus ab orees

[Anonymous No.15681562]

>>15681269
this.
>b-but we don't have proof they said it that way
we do. the gaelic and welsh languages both have latin borrowings which prove that.

[Anonymous No.15681568]

>>15681269
Based classical pronunciation poster

[Anonymous No.15681579]

>>15681327
Saying it as W sounds retarded though, like you've got a lisp or something.

[Anonymous No.15681590]

>>15681337
Would that actually apply to that situation though? The hard K sound would be for Ce- right, not Ci-.

[Anonymous No.15681642]

>>15681590
In classical latin c is always k. Caesar is Kaisar etc.

[Anonymous No.15681664]

>>15681269
Ecclesiastical pronunciation sounds better. Fuck the Romans.

[Anonymous No.15681669]

>>15681664
t. hopeless worthless disgusting smelly dumb uneducated physically unfit pleb

[Anonymous No.15681787]

Et Ketera

[Anonymous No.15682187]

>>15681664
>Not pronouncing Latin words how the Church Fathers
Cringe

[Anonymous No.15682197]

>>15681337
Well, he does look like one of the Chosen.

[Anonymous No.15682287]

I use the calabrese pronunciation because that's how I was taught when learning to actively use latin, but when I studied latin at the only institution in the world where latin is spoken as the main language people either flamed me for not using the ecclesiastical system because of it being the continued heritage of latin, although I got some compliments from people not being able to tell where I'm from on account of it. There is effectively not too much difference between the various currently popular pronunciation systems outside of situations relevant to vowel quantity.

Ancient greek pronunciation systems however vary greatly and are quite hard to understand if you use one vs the other. But I'm not too great at ancient greek anyway so I never particularly cared.

[Anonymous No.15682309]

>>15681545
>t. weenie, winki, wiksi

[Anonymous No.15682340]

mea tulpa

[Anonymous No.15682376]

>>15681269
Kikero

[Anonymous No.15682381]

>>15682287
Accademia Vivarium Novum

[Anonymous No.15682382]

Ecclesiastical pronunciation makes absolutely no sense if you learned Greek alongside Latin like I did. It'll just confuse you more on etymology

[Anonymous No.15682389]

>>15682381
?

[Anonymous No.15682391]

>>15682381
Yeah, what of it?

[Anonymous No.15682440]

>>15682391
Shit, I missed the question mark

What I meant was: you went to the Accademia Vivarium Novum? What was it like? How would say it compared to studying classics at other institutions?

[Anonymous No.15682514]

>>15682391
What was the application process like for you? I sent in a personal statement but I've got a sneaking fear that I've been preemptively wait-listed.

Did you do the year program or the summer?

Is it as autistic as it seems?

Hows the Greek instruction?

[Anonymous No.15682575]

I personally enjoyed it greatly. The level of instruction is amazing, however it's not for everyone. You have to be a special kind of autist. It's basically like living in a humanistic monastery/cult. The culture is pretty great but you have next to no free time or interaction with the outside world. The lifestyle gets to people and most either leave after a year or two or stay for as long as possible. Also you will eat practically nothing but carbs. The surrounding countryside is pretty beautiful and I used to like to run to the Parco Archeologico Culturale di Tuscolo and exercise and look out from on top of the hill/mountain. Nobody else likes to exercise there except Gerardus, but he's a fat mexican who just does random shit with dumbells for 10 minutes. I'm sorry if this isn't very helpful but if you really wanted to know more I'd be willing to talk to you about it personally.

As for studying classics at other institutions it completely ruined it for me in that you go from reading texts and singing and discussing in the original language to just coming into class and doing translation of like 40 lines, and writing autistic essays on minutiae in english. Plus the active method isn't too popular in most universities. I guess you could go to Kentucky but you can't really compare spending your whole day in a language to like 4 hours, and the culture in the US of active latin and greek is sad to say pretty gay and more concerned with novelties like arguing over what different house hold appliances should be called in neo latin and translating board games into latin than anything of substance.

My highest recommendation would be to attend the summer program if you can pay for it to have a small taste of what it's like.

[Anonymous No.15682580]

>>15681579
Hello pleb

[Anonymous No.15682586]

>ki-ke-roe
>chi-che-roe

[Anonymous No.15682613]

>>15682575
Fuck that sounds fantastic. What was the average student like?

[Anonymous No.15682664]

>>15682613
I don't really know how to answer this. Most people were autists from Europe or south/central america who were into the classics. Far more latin than greek focus. Lots of people are very well trained in music. You will have the same conversations about where you're from and life there and basic philosophy a million times. There are some fun traditions like throwing people into the air on birthdays.

[Anonymous No.15682679]

>>15682664
Seems like fun. is it mostly university graduates or people fresh out of highschool or what? I know they have an age requirement and want people to know some foundational latin before entering.

What was the admissions process like for you?

[Anonymous No.15682700]

Is Accademia Vivarium Novum as full of prime boypussy and gentle man love as it seems? No judgement or anything, I'm just asking for a friend.

[Anonymous No.15682716]

>>15681274
What is Ecclesiastical Latin?

[Anonymous No.15682741]

>>15682679
Just about everyone has some university experience. As for knowing foundational latin while they say you need to have a grasp of the basics what they really mean is you need to be able to sight read most prose and understand poetry with help and be able to understand conversational latin completely and speak basically.

For me I went to the advanced portion of the summer program and applied for the year at the same time. They took a ridiculously long time to get back to me, but I guess they liked me at the summer program and I got to know all the instructors and veterans. I had a friend of a friend who went there a long time ago so that might have helped as well. Pretty much everyone I talked to had some sort of in or went to a very prestigious institution beforehand. The actual app was very simple. You send them your information, tell them about yourself your qualification and studies, and then do an interview and some writing. There are far fewer spots than it seems since lots of people stay there forever and they're not going to kick them out because they're family. There is however as far as I know. They're supposed to do the decisions in the middle of August but I heard that this year there was some fuckery about the ministry of education and COVID or whatever.

[Anonymous No.15682754]

>>15682700
Some people are clearly gay but most people are ugly and if there was anything going on I never heard anything about it. Except for this one vet who would bring his gf in during the summer programs and fuck her in the woods and leave his dirty condoms right on my fucking running trail the bastard.

[Anonymous No.15682795]

>>15682741
That's what they told me. "Thanks for showing interest, we have a lot of applicants, you will hear more from us later so stay tuned, etc. we should reach decisions around mid-August if you have questions feel free to write". Seems like standard chain mail but I'm surprised they didn't ask for documents, transcripts, or anything like that.

[Anonymous No.15682800]

>>15682754
>>15682741

Any comment on reading the classics in translation versus reading in the original language?

I'm deeply interested in the Renaissance (particularly in English literature) but I've recently come to the conclusion that it's quite impossible to fully grasp these texts without having the same fundamental knowledge of the classics as these authors did (i.e. Elizabethan grammar schools, 16th/17th c. Oxbridge education). So, one could read Golding's Metamorphoses or (and) one could read the original, in the original Latin; is there such a vast difference that would make learning Latin worthwhile in order to read these texts in the original language?

[Anonymous No.15682844]

>>15682800
I guess it depends on your reason for reading. I obviously have a very biased opinion on the matter, but to me there really isn't any difference between reading a summary alongside some papers on a book and a translation in terms of information, but the beauty of a text is completely lost in translation. Lots of attention in latin and ancient greek went into the way things sound in oration and poetry in particular. I am personally far more attached to things that sound cool than big brain insights which is why I enjoy Young Thug as much as Horace. In terms of it being worthwhile it all depends on how much time you have and your motivations. I started learning latin and greek because I am a big greek and romeaboo and wanted to be able to have conversations in my head in those languages, and had paranoid fantasies about talking to people from the past. I suppose at some level I also thought there would be hidden secrets waiting for me but as it turns out books with hidden secrets that brainlets like me could figure out are not available to the public.

[Anonymous No.15682867]

>>15682795
Oh also you should know at least one other modern language. That's kind of a biggie

[Anonymous No.15682899]

>>15682867
Fair enough. Did you write your personal statement in Latin, English, or Italian?

[Anonymous No.15682925]

>>15682899
Latin. But a lot of people I know did theirs in Italian. I didn't really have extremely strong academic credentials however and don't speak Italian though.

[Anonymous No.15682934]

>>15681269
Cheeser

[Anonymous No.15682953]

>>15682925
Did the average student there have strong academic credentials? My personal statement was pretty spontaneously fired off in English (was assuming they'd send a more in depth application package) so I'm considering resubmitting another one in latin just to hedge my bets. What did you talk about in yours?

[Anonymous No.15682961]

>>15681269

[Anonymous No.15682964]

>>15681269
The so-called 'classical' pronunciation is just kraut historical revisionism.

[Anonymous No.15683009]

Classical pronunciation is for plebs and was fabricated by academia within the past 100 years. Ecclesiastical latin is closest to the original.

[Anonymous No.15683036]

>>15683009
>linguistic drift

Latin never changed, but Old English did? Kys.

[Anonymous No.15683094]

The real cringe is when Americans/Northern Europeans try too hard and put on an annoying fake sounding Hispanic/Latino/Italian accent. It just sounds like a cartoon or something. If you want to use the classical IPA (hard c, hard g, ae is a diphthong, etc.) that's fine, but still use your normal accent for the "sub-IPA" components (don't know the proper term)

[Anonymous No.15683101]

>>15682953
Yeah the average student had strong academic credentials at least within their own country and fancy highschools / gymnasiums. I had good grades and all I just went to a regular highschool and then a "public ivy". I don't really know how they weigh the various portions of the application process so I can't tell you if it's worth rewriting it, but I'd try to do anything to stand out were I you. I'll admit I tailored my application to what I thought they would care about. I mostly talked about the humanistic tradition, the decline of the academic culture and ways of education, my interests within the languages (Neo-latin), my experience at the summer program, and how I found it superior to other active latin programs. Having musical talent is a big plus but I have none. You will spend like a 5th of each day singing and doing music stuff. And by music I also mean the classical sense of music as in harmony and order and meter and all that stuff.

[Anonymous No.15683102]

Kikero

[Anonymous No.15683249]

Anon here who went to the Academy Vivarium novum too. While it's a plus if you already know some Latin, it's not completely true that it's a necessary thing to get accepted. There were many students who arrived there with no knowledge of any language at all, mostly those who came from some poorer nations of Africa or South America, and who couldn't even form a simple sentence during the first few weeks. Some of them by the end of the year turned out to be great speakers and could already give classes in Latin; some others however who were a bit slower, to say the least, after eight months still made some basic mistakes like saying Ego video puella. That will depend on your own effort.

[Anonymous No.15683290]

>>15683101
Very interesting. Aside from the initial photo ID request, do they ask for transcripts, passport info, bank statements, etc? I drifted around a lot after highschool, speak several modern languages, but don't have much in the way of academic credentials aside from a year of latin at community college I did as a part time student. It's a bit of a worry for me because my highschool grades were mediocre and every four year university I've applied to has filtered me based on that.

[Anonymous No.15684475]

>>15681579
Back to 4plebs, you.

[Anonymous No.15684499]

>>15681337
... does anyone else feel when a correction is so basic that only complete midwits find joy in pointing it out? Like you learn that in your first latin class mate, feeling good about pointing that out just seems lowbrow. Its like when someone feels smug aboit saying some podunk viking visited america before columbus.

Yah, congrates on finishing 5th grade.