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Anarchists report!

Anarcho-syndicalist here.

>> No.1567993
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Leftist pigs.

>> No.1568000

what do you think about Chomsky? do you recommend any reads ?

>> No.1568001

Anarchists don't need to report in.

>> No.1568009

Putain de nègre littéraire.

>> No.1568015

>>1568001

Oh snap.

Good one.

>> No.1568042

>>1568015

OH SHIT. SOME ICE FOR THAT BURN!

>> No.1568044

Anarchism is retarded.
/end of the thread

>> No.1568061

>>1568044

Someone has the case of being a retard!

>> No.1568072

>>1568061
>>1568061
Indeed, my good sir, and thank you for pointing that out! I'm, of course, speaking about anarchists. Joy fills my heart when I learn about others, who resist their stupid babbling and are not afraid to speak it out! Long live the anti-anarchist resistance!

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>>1568072

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>>1568061
>>1568072
>>1568086

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>>1568086

>> No.1568114

>>1568100

Flaming homosexual. The lizard that is.

>> No.1568115

>>1568100
Lol'd a image macro from a shit movie?

Have you heard of media before?

>> No.1568116

>>1568094
i'm not realy sure what you're trying to say with this pic...

>> No.1568130

>>1568115
No, I live on a tiny island in southern Pacific and I eat only fish and crabs. As a matter of fact, I don't even have an Internet connection.

>> No.1568151

>>1568130
which pretty much would be a heaven for anarcho-primitivist, as I'm now aware...

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>>1568151

>> No.1568164

>>1568116

2deep4u

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oh, hello!

>> No.1568166

>>1568157
I don't think logic works during nighttime
But, please, explain your reasoning behind this picture to me.

>> No.1568180

Anarcho-capitalist, reporting. Free market + social freedom.

>> No.1568183

>>1568166^

"Anarcho-primitivists advocate a return to non-"civilized" ways of life through deindustrialisation, abolition of the division of labour or specialization, and abandonment of large-scale organization technologies. There are other non-anarchist forms of primitivism, and not all primitivists point to the same phenomenon as the source of modern, civilized problems." Wikipedia

Basically, anarcho-primitivsts believe that because of the process of civilization (hunter-gather which was an "equalitiarian" society with no labour division or social classes i.e you weren't born a hunter or anything to agricultural city life where you were born to do your dad's job). They want to return to those principles, not no internet and eating fleas from each other's back.

Nice dubs, btw

>> No.1568185

>>1568180
what is "social freedom"?
what is "freedom"?

>> No.1568191

I just can't believe in anarchism anymore. I'm still sympathetic to the idea, but I count myself as a communist now.

>> No.1568195

>>1568185
Freedom, in my definition at least, is lack of coercion from external forces, usually human.

>> No.1568196

>>1568191

Hipster.

>> No.1568202

>>1568183
So, are they forming their own societies with those laws in mind? If they do, in no less than 25 years we could observe all the myriad of changes their new-old lifestyle caused them to adopt.
But if they don't form their own societies to test their utopian philosophy, then, well, to put it in vernacular, fuck them.

>> No.1568201

>>1568191
state-communism?

>> No.1568207

god I fucking hate students

>> No.1568208

>>1568202

People don't just go an form their own societies. No one told Moore (also wrong use of the word vernacular) to go fuck himself cause he couldn't go to an island to form his utopia.

>> No.1568209

i believe anarchism has valuable things to say. it's the most sympathetic ideal theory to me. however, practically i am a technocrat

>> No.1568217

>>1568208
>also wrong use of the word vernacular
grammar nazi spotted

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>>1568209

Yeah, uhhh.

Seriously?

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1568222

"I like the idea of horizontal relationships, but I wouldn't want an anarchist commune in change of a nuclear power station."
-David Harvey

Pretty much expresses my feelings on anarchy.

>> No.1568225

>>1568209
Technocracy is not a form of government.

>> No.1568226

>>1568217

That would be semantics nazi.

>> No.1568229

>>1568226
and also a nice case of irony
you get it? he's a grammar nazi while being an anarchist! hilarious!
...yeah, you probably hate me now

>> No.1568231

>>1568225
Ok. It is.

>> No.1568234

>>1568209

There have been studies that show that, rather than promoting based on merit, it's actually more efficient to promote at random (or in some cases, to promote the worst employees).

Food for technocratic thought.

>> No.1568235

>>1568222
i can see his point to a limit, but it seems like he's implying in a stateless society there aren't people who, you know, LEARN TRADES, SKILLS AND SCIENCE.

>> No.1568236

>>1568225

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technocracy

SERIOUSLY ARE YOU MENTALLY ILL

>> No.1568238

>>1568234
It was bad and you should feel bad.

The Peter Principle vehemently opposes you.

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>>1568229

>> No.1568241

>>1568235

It's not so much a concern for skills, it's a concern for how quickly a non-hierarchical system of organization could deal with something like a nuclear meltdown.

>> No.1568239

>>1568222
That's why we would need private property still. Everything is everyone's sounds good, but the entire world would collapse in 5 days.

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>>1568236

>> No.1568249

lol no.

there's no one right way to live. deal with it, sucka.

>> No.1568254

>>1568238

What? The Peter Principle backs me up.

Because we promote based on merit, people rise to a point where they're no longer good enough to be promoted, IE in a position where they're no longer good at what they're doing. That's effectively the Peter Principle, or what I remember of it from when I took sociology.

However, ff you promote the least effective employees, the Peter Principle reverses itself, and people instead rise to a point where they're finally good at what they're doing.

>> No.1568258

>>1568254
but icecreams don't work that way!

>> No.1568261

>>1568254
What does the word Random mean to you? Why would people rise to any point where they are efficient out of randomness? They would simply distributed randomly.

>> No.1568266

>>1568261

And that would still be more efficient than people rising to a point where they're no good.

>> No.1568270

>>1568254

I think you're really misunderstanding the Peter Principle here (granted, on a 10-minute summary from Wikipedia). As I understand it it basically says that among a pool of low-rank employees, there are some that are more worthy of promotion, and they get promoted, but only until the point at which they're with their peers/superiors, and don't deserve any more promotions.

It seems like a very efficient way of doing business, but in my experience it's not always true.

>> No.1568282

>>1568270

wait I am agreeing with you

Shit, I am drunk and quoted the wrong anon, sry

>> No.1569104

>>1568220
yea, although im using technocrat in the sense of detailed and empirical study of how people and institutions actually behave, and making decisions based on the result. it's more like administrative technocrat. i like intelligent government and economics.

with respect to anarchism, my position is not so much a departure from normative principles. it's more of a methodological departure from traditional, rationalist social theory, with combination with some enduring ideas from economics.

>>1568234
sure, but i am not identifying myself as one who believes in technocracy. although, in response to your point, even in a technocracy the concern is to not only have competent people on jobs, but having a technically informed political class and process.

this however implies a politically neutral/progressive-in-the-technocracy-sense academic class though, which isn't the case today.

in particular, the economic profession is much more like hired guns than public minded guides. politically virile studies are not going to be politically influential unless they can be captured by interest groups, particularly of the rich.

technocracy itself is rather idealist. i don't think a technocracy ideal is ever reachable anyway, although this does not mean i don't want a technically informed politlca class or a more politically influential academia.

>> No.1569122

I like collectivist anarchism (Bakunin and shit) but it's not at all practical. It's one of those things that would only work in an ideal world.

>> No.1569125

another anarcho-capitalist here.