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I want to get to know Socrates, I like the way he asks questions to people.
Is this the best version for a beginner?

>> No.15679206

The complete works you posted are great.

>> No.15679956
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15679956

Get Thomas Taylor's five volumes of Plato. Full with divinely inspired neoplatonic comments.
Like 4 times more expensive but entirely worth it.
In fact get the whole catalogue for 800.

>> No.15679987

>>15679074
This is definitely the easiest.
>>15679956
But Thomas Taylor is the best.

>> No.15680500

>>15679074
Yes or get the Benjamin Jowett book.

>> No.15681448

I was considering getting the Oxford World Classics versions. Are those any good? I just tend to not want a massive volume, they're inconvenient to read on my commute.

>> No.15681901

>>15679074
https://wlym.com/archive/campaigner/7806.pdf
Or just “Secrets Known to Inner Elites PDF” in google.

The author talks a lot about Plato, he has a lot of other books too

>> No.15681911

>>15681448
So instead you'll waste money on buying each individual dialogue separately?

>> No.15681972

>>15681911
I'm rich, I can afford it.

>> No.15681986

>>15681972
You know there are like 50 dialogues and the seventh letter, right?

>> No.15682010

>>15681986
I can easily afford it, money isn't an issue. If they're decent translations I'd rather get them because I don't want to lug a 2kg book around with me.

>> No.15682083

>>15681911
buying them separately is cheaper than buying the massive tome in OP's picture, funnily enough
ah the joys of slavic third world

>> No.15682976
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>>15682083
the OP is almost the price of only like 2 paperback dialogues

>> No.15683339

>>15682083
The one in the OP is like $50

>> No.15683404

>>15679074
its a good edition, but i wouldnt recommend just reading it straight through

>> No.15684346

>>15679074
Yes, that is the best complete collection around.

>> No.15684492

>>15679074
How does one learn to ask questions like Socrates?

>> No.15684517

>>15684492
Step one: Have no idea what you're talking about.
Step two: Act like you do.
Step three: Ask questions to figure out what the hell is going on until you know.
Step four: Call it the Socratic Method.

>> No.15684530

>>15682010
are you some kind of manlett//fit/lett?

>> No.15684673

>>15684517
Are you saying the sophists act like they do or Socrates does?

>> No.15684843

>>15684517
That's actually quite accurate, but Socrates seemed to be so much smarter than everyone else so he spoke circles around them like no tomorrow.
He would make a good /lit/ poster.

>> No.15685519

>>15684843
Most of the interlocutors use circular logic or fallacipus appeals.

>> No.15686366

>>15683404
How do recommend me reading it then?

>> No.15686373

>>15686366
Don't buy it. Get the Jowett one.

>> No.15686384

>>15686366
Don't listen to that guy, Plato is very accessible and you don't need secondary sources to accompany the dialogues.
Just make sure to read with care and thought.

>> No.15686409

>>15682083
Same here in Italy, and we also have the Greek

>> No.15686422

>>15681448
>>15679074
Pic related is the one everyone uses in quotations, but if you know Greek, the loebs are also good

>> No.15686455

The version by John Cooper is the only one to include all 35 dialogues considered to be authentic as well as the letters and the rest of the dialogues which are disputed to be fakes. In other words it contains all the Platonic dialogues that has come down from antiquity. I’d get this version OP since the introductions are useful as well as the introduction essay which explains how to approach a dialogue.

>> No.15686494

>>15681901
>the Platonic elite
LMFAO
That shit is funny. Maybe we're so "elite" because we aren't fucking retards. Pick up a real book, dumb dumb.

>> No.15686495

>>15679956
That's like 2 monthly salaries where I'm from

>> No.15686520

>>15686495
Don't worry my friend.
The Platonic Elite™ think you deserve it.
https://archive.org/details/PlatoThomasTaylor/page/n1/mode/2up

>> No.15686544

>>15679074 (OP)
>>15686495
>>15686520 (You)
Here is also the Complete Works edition so you can look between the two.
https://mega.nz/file/7tM3xKqA#-CmU3OEZfJM_j9bhHbdIVwGsO0f3XSGUabp9LYnkXKY

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>>15679074
No. A beginner interested in Socrates should get pic related - enough there to chew on for months.

Plenty of time to investigate Complete Works after that if you want to.

>> No.15686708

>>15684517
>Step one: Have no idea what you're talking about.
>Step two: Act like you do.
This is exaclty what you're doing and you are nothing like Socrates

>> No.15687159

>>15679074
If you want to know Socrates get Socrates works, not Plato wtf

>> No.15687430

>>15687159
Get Xenophon's work

>> No.15688518

>>15686495
Do you live in Uganda or something? Anyway, get yourself a $100 something e-reader and pirate everything. You will never need to buy a book again. I already saved like $40 or so worth of books.

>> No.15689073

FUCK uganda