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Where do I start with James Joyce?

>> No.15647000

>>15646996
Dubliners my man

>> No.15647044

The Greeks.

>> No.15647060

>>15647044
spbp

>> No.15647068

The Greeks.

>> No.15647071

You can start anywhere honestly

>> No.15647128

Page 314 of Finnegans Wake

>> No.15647157

start with the big fat fellows

>> No.15647167

I guess it depends on your opinions on farts?

>> No.15648607

I dunno probably dubliners. No advice for that or Portrait both are not super difficult.

If you wanna read Ulysses a few things that help:
A) Read Dubliners and Portrait of the Artist first since characters re occur a lot in Ulysses.
B) Read Yeats and Swift. Yeats is the priority here; it's helpful to think of his Theosophy and hermeticism. You should read some of his plays and his poems. Who Goes with Fergus haunts Ulysses, but so does Cathleen Ni Houlihann. This should also be taken as a suggestion to read Blake and how Yeats built a relationship to Blake. You should try and fail to read 'A Vision' as well just so you have a basis in that atrocity.
C) Read Thomas Moore's Irish Melodies: a bit of an oddball but this and the essays written about it can help you understand some of the cultural tensions surrounding the sentimentalized 'old mother ireland' and is really a foundational text.
D) Finally it's not a bad idea to familiarize yourself with Shakespeare, and Irish literary culture (Synge is a good starting point)

Gifford and Steidman (I think that's his name) have really excellent annotations for Ulysses that are v helpful. This all assumes you wanna do an exhaustive allusive reading and you wanna try and really "grasp" in scare quotes everything. Ulysses is a fun book, and can be just read as a poem or read for amusement, so don't be intimidated. It's all in good fun.

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15648682

>>15647157
>>15647167
Real talk: was it a good idea, in the long run, for Joyce to write those letters? They have kind of poisoned the online discourse about him. I get that he was a pervert with vile fetishes and he wanted to share them with his beloved, but it might have been a bad idea to write that down in a permanent way.

At the very least he should probably have had them burned before he died. He had to know that if they were kept around eventually they'd become public knowledge.

>> No.15648715

>>15648682
Early 1900s obviously didn’t invest a lot of attention into information hazards. That’s not the same as today.
But fact remains that stomach issues are a stupid way to go

>> No.15648747

>>15648682
it's Nora's fault for not throwing them away

>> No.15648765

>>15648682
I doubt he really gives a shit at this point anon.
Besides, people send each other dirty shit when they’re in a relationship all the time. So he huffed farts, who cares

>> No.15648767

>>15646996
i started with ulysses, 10/10 misinterpretation game, dove right in. second read was sobering due to his unparalleled genius and all.

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15648979

Do you really have to read the whole corpus of Aquinas and Aristotle to get half of the latin-wankery horseshit that seems to bleed all over Ulysses?

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>>15646996
Read him chronologically. His development is clear, and characters and themes return.
1. Dubliners
2. Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man
3. Poems And Shorter Writings and/or 20th Century Poems And Exiles
4. Ulysses
5. The Restored Finnegans Wake (Penguin, 2012)

>> No.15649148

Unless you’re Irish, don’t bother. It’s a really gross and irrelevant niche of English lit that you can gloss over and not really miss anything.

>> No.15649208

>>15646996
ahahahay Oycejay isway osay easyway ouyay uckingfay idiotsway!
Ustjay ickpay itway upway andway imskay andway ouyay illway
understandway everythingway ehay iteswray. uhday!

>> No.15650251

>>15649032
>The Restored Finnegans Wake
what exactly was "restored"? Is this some sort of Gableresque fuckery?

>> No.15650268

>>15649032
the exiles is shit, skip it for your own sake

>> No.15650708

Start with the Dubliners, pay attention to "A painful case" "The Sisters" and "The Dead" Then read A Portrait and make sure you remember what exactly Stephen's character is at the end. Then read Ulysses, anything that looks a bit weird read out loud. For Finnegans read it all out loud if you can in an Irish accent.

>> No.15650719

I got filtered by portrait's beginning, should I bother with it despite and only liking a painful case from dubliners

>> No.15650729

>>15650719
Did you get filtered by the moocow anon?

>> No.15650762

>>15650729
yes :(

>> No.15650769

>>15650719
You didn’t like the dead? And portraits beginning is far easier than its end in my opinion so I’m not sure if you should bother

>> No.15650774

>>15650762
Try again, but remember that it's written in a way a child thinks until the second chapter where it goes up a step until finally it's young Stephen thinking like the pretentious cunt he is lmao.

>> No.15650845

>>15648607
I agree that Ulysses is meant to be, and is, mostly just good fun. But I don't think you need to read any of this first. Unironically just read the Odyssey, as you should anyway. And then of course read the whole Western canon. But you can do fine with Ulysses on first reading without. Just remember it's a book to be reread rather than read.

>> No.15650871

>>15646996
Chamber Music

>> No.15650879

>>15646996
Start and end with the trashcan.

>> No.15650927

>>15650774
cool, will do
>>15650769
it was alright, well written but didn't move me

>> No.15651241

>>15646996
Ulysses, then Finnegan's Wake and you can read the rest.

>> No.15651260

>>15648682
>I get that he was a pervert with vile fetishes and he wanted to share them with his beloved, but it might have been a bad idea to write that down in a permanent way.
What are you even talking about anon? If Nora's farts keep plebes like yourself away from the discourse, all the better!