/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.15628462]

Wesley Yang on incels

>You wake to find yourself one of the disadvantaged of the fully liberated sexual marketplace. If you are a woman, maybe you notice that men have a habit of using and discarding you, pleading their own inconstancy and premature emotional debauchery as a sop to your wounded feelings. If you are a man, maybe you notice that the women who have been used and discarded by other, more highly valued men are happy to restore (for a while) their own broken self-esteem by stepping on you while you are prone, and reminding you that even a society of outcasts has its hierarchies. Indeed, these hierarchies are policed all the more ruthlessly the closer to the bottom you go.

>For these people, we have nothing but options. Therapy, selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors, alcoholism, drug addiction, pornography, training in mixed martial arts, mail-order brides from former Soviet republics, sex tours in Southeast Asia, prostitution, video-game consoles, protein shakes and weightlifting regimens, New Age medicine, obsession with pets or home furnishings, the recovery movement—all of which are modes of survival as opposed to forms of life.

[Anonymous No.15628470]

Based. More people need to be talking about the incel problem. It's THE most pressing issue of the 21st century. And it's only going to get worse.

[Anonymous No.15628473]

[Anonymous No.15628484]

[Anonymous No.15628490]

There was a thread on the Seung Hoi Cho article here on /lit/ yesterday. I ended up reading it and there two things that stuck out to me. The first was that horrible teacher of Cho's who kicked him out of class for writing aggressive and vulgar poetry when her own poetry was aggressive and vulgar ("nigger can you kill a honkey"). Even the fucking teachers made him feel worthless.

The second was this passage, which describes how the school shooter wasn't thinking about race, sex, or any of the other bullshit identities we cling on these days, but the simple fact that some of us (regardless of background) have a very shitty life.

>Cho imagines the one thing that can never exist—the coming to consciousness and the joining in solidarity of the modern class of losers. Though his soft Asian face could only have been a hindrance to him, Cho did not perceive his pain as stemming from being Asian: he did not perceive himself in a world of identity politics, of groups and fragments of groups, of groups oppressing and fighting other groups. Cho’s world is a world of individually determined fortunes, of winners and losers in the marketplace of status, cash, and expression.

[Anonymous No.15628493]

For an atomic blackpill, go to twitter right now and search for "short guys".

[Anonymous No.15628496]

>>15628493
Well if you're looking for confirmation that 'all women hate short guys' then yeah, go to twitter and do that. Or realise that it's not to way to learn anything about women.

[Anonymous No.15628508]

>>15628496
If a lot of women were fond of short guys, surely searching such a neutral phrase as "short guys" on twitter would present a lot of positive comments from women. But as you can see for yourself, it really doesn't.
What reason do you have to believe that opinions expressed by women on twitter are not representative of what women actually think?

[Anonymous No.15628511]

more on height

[Anonymous No.15628519]

How plastic surgery changes the way others perceive your personality.

[Anonymous No.15628522]

>>15628519
Link to study:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29390018

[Anonymous No.15628523]

>>15628462
Leftists on literally any problem befalling ethnic or sexual minorities or women:
>these problems are systematic and can't be blamed on the individual and need to be met with understanding and possible solutions
Leftists on incels
>just watch more movies with wimen or just kill yourself ASAP incel freaks!

[Anonymous No.15628532]

Promiscuity's effects on happiness and the stability of marriages.

[Anonymous No.15628547]

>>15628508
Have you considered the possibility that most women neither hate short men nor get particularly excited about the subject of 'short men', because it's so trivial outside of the vapid world of Tinder dating? Yes, we get it, women prefer taller men. So what? What next? They prefer handsome men? Or men with good physique? What is exactly the aim of posting these graphs? Everybody is already aware that sexual attraction exists.

[Anonymous No.15628548]

>>15628490
Yang is the author.

[Anonymous No.15628553]

without cherrypicking, out of curiosity I decided to search "short guys" on twitter and pic related are the first 5 tweets about short guys.

[Anonymous No.15628568]

>>15628548

[Anonymous No.15628569]

>>15628553
Someone screenshot this and add it to their scientific illiteracy folder. Do you, think that a reasonable woman would post "short men are okay" or "I like short men?" If you care about the opinions of those women who post comments about short guys on twitter you choose to immerse yourself in their universe.

[Anonymous No.15628574]

>>15628568

[Anonymous No.15628583]

>>15628574

[Anonymous No.15628585]

>>15628568
>>15628574
don't bother posting the rest, people can get it here sci-hub.tw

type in jstor.org/stable/44363543

[Anonymous No.15628590]

>>15628569
That's not an attempt to be scientific, merely an amusing observation and something that everyone can see themselves without conducting a study.
>Do you, think that a reasonable woman would post "short men are okay" or "I like short men?"
Why not? There are plenty of posts admiring tall guys.
Also if women actually liked short guys wouldn't they defend them in the replies that mock them? I invite you to check it out for yourself to see whether or not they do.

And the fact that women hate short guys is a well-established scientific truth. You don't need twitter to prove it, just look at the studies. Twitter merely shows how open women can be about hating unattractive men for their immutable characteristics (but never race), which is very amusing to observe.

[Anonymous No.15628609]

>>15628519
I dont get it. Are the "classes" just different subjects?

[Anonymous No.15628632]

>>15628609
I posted the link to the study here >>15628522
>Therefore we assessed faces from dysgnathic patients (Class II, III and Laterognathia) on video clips. Class I faces served as anchor and controls.
>Four video pairs from controls (Class I) and 4 video pairs from each of 3 patients groups (Class II, Class III and Laterognathia) were selected. From the twelve patients 10 patients were subjected to bi-maxillary surgery, two patients (Class II) received Bilateral Sagittal Split Osteotomy (BSSO). We compared patient video recordings, taken before and after the complete surgical and orthodontic treatment.

[Anonymous No.15628723]

>>15628462
Have "mail order brides from former Soviet republics" been a thing since, say, 2005? Since the answer is no, how much credibility does this guy have?

Just read Houellebecq instead.

[Anonymous No.15628726]

What do you guys think pro-incel activism would look like?
Obviously the ideal would be enforced monogamy and promiscuity-shaming but that seems way too radical in the current climate.
Is it even possible to effectively agitate in support of incel causes?

[Anonymous No.15628742]

>>15628723
Trite and dull man

>>15628726
It doesn't:
>Cho imagines the one thing that can never exist—the coming to consciousness and the joining in solidarity of the modern class of losers

[Anonymous No.15628760]

>>15628462
This thread had potential, but you had to go and ruin it with the incel crap.

[Anonymous No.15628832]

ugh wtf what is all this sewerage including apologetic for a literal murder

bruh, u need to overcome what u think is a deep existential need for female affection - like u need to fucking overcome this - I'm not saying its easy, but the solution to the gaping black hole of life is not a proxy mother who can conform you and return love, you need to figure this shit out for yourself YOU ARE ALONE - EVERYONE IS ALONE - There is no harmony, no concert among people, no meeting of souls, no true love, that shit is balony - if you were in a relationship it'd feel good at times, but you won't have solved the problem, only deferred it, only hidden it

[Anonymous No.15628835]

>>15628760
It's not me that's spamming the thread with incel shit.

>>15628832
Why comment on an essay you didn't read?

[Anonymous No.15628853]

>>15628832
Read the essay you stupid cunt

[Anonymous No.15628854]

>>15628490
This is disgusting - u need to stop aligning yourself mentally w/ people like this - its just reprehensible to KILL and it signals that something was wrong from the start - it doesn't just take any old disparaged and disaffected person, this is sickening shit - ok from the broader picture maybe we can have a little sympathy, but you are getting sucked into that sympathy, following after the proxy satisfaction-in-self that is melancholy and self-pity, and its fucking horrible dude honestly - u don't need fucking moron killers who have no common humanity with women, men or anyone else - no sense to look beyond their actions which are meaningless as much as they are cruel or kind - DUDE WAKE UP you need a bucket of water over the head, honestly, take a cold shower, this is a time for reinvention, this CANNOT go on, I'm fucking bleeding for you man, what are you doing? This is such a horrible road to go down

research Buddhism

[Anonymous No.15628865]

>>15628853
I don't need to read the essay, I'm familiar w/ this dude & I'm familiar w/ the incel psychology - it is a bad place to be & profoundly ugly in all senses

[Anonymous No.15628867]

>>15628854
That's not what he is doing. You are attacking a phantom you made up in your head. Buddhism is also for cucks and homos like you. Nigger scum

[Anonymous No.15628870]

>>15628867
I'm NOT talking about OP, I'm talking about the incel-poster literally defending a serial killer

The rest of your comment about speaks to your repression, insecurities and poor breeding - you are everything you resent in the world

Good day!

[Anonymous No.15628876]

>>15628870
Go back to re ddit, nigger faggot

[Anonymous No.15628881]

> Wesley Yang is a Korean-American essayist
Why does he have a Chinese last name

[Anonymous No.15628886]

>>15628568
Damn, that sounds like a rap lyric from 2020. I don't know who that poet is and they were well ahead of their time

[Anonymous No.15628891]

>>15628876
Ha!

You are quite something? What makes you people tick I wonder? RAGE RAGE RAGE against the dying light?

Do you believe in a God, Truth, Beauty - in Self in short, do you believe YOU ... ARE?

Literally everything about the way you conceive of yourself is a lie - you are inches away from short circuiting, you are NOT happy, things have gone wrong... but its the world right?

[Anonymous No.15628905]

>>15628891
identity yourself with a name so i can filter your trite faggot ass red dit mongoloid buddhist niggercuck

[Anonymous No.15628910]

>>15628886
rap is just niggers stealing the white man's technology to get ahead again

[Anonymous No.15628914]

>>15628881
Korean/Chinese/Japanese/Chink eyed... there is no difference.

[Anonymous No.15628930]

>>15628726
The problem with inceldom as a 'movement' is that none of them want to be there and, at the very least, passively despise each other. The second an incel comes in sniffing distance of a possible girlfriend, he's gone from their ranks.

[Anonymous No.15628938]

>>15628891
>>15628870
>>15628854
>>15628832
ESL? Troll? Why do you write like a 45 year old cat lady on Facebook?

[Anonymous No.15628942]

>>15628905
something so... profoundly... wrong

so broken... inside

sad little robot?
unwanted monkey?

unfilled soul like an empty goat bladder.. 'where is my recognition'?

do you think these 'trite' problems will end?

they are trite, do you think it surpasses that?

>faggot

>cuck

>nigger

>red_dit

are you aware that you are a verbal processing machine churning out goop? would you consider mixing it up a little? what do these words even mean to you, they are so constitutive of your reality that they are just placemarkers for your daily life, for death and fear, these words rule you

[Anonymous No.15628946]

>>15628938
do you value your rigid syntax and mormon smile? do close the gate on the way out, oh such a nice young man... who are you hoping to offend with that quick adjustment of the tie?

[Anonymous No.15628953]

>>15628946
Definitely ESL. Possibly mentally ill too.

[Anonymous No.15628960]

>>15628953
he talks so that others might see his comment and smile... and side with him, a glance over his shoulder to the bigger kids and gathering adults - but if they do? how will he know?

[Anonymous No.15628964]

>>15628508
>women are attracted to some physical trait and unattracted to the opposite
You're expecting outrage?

[Anonymous No.15628972]

>>15628532
What about men? Not in a "this is bullshit and men do it too" wait. But, what about the men. Is this bullshit that men do too?

[Anonymous No.15628975]

>>15628470
Other 4chan ramblings aside this is the bottom line of my bane
I don’t care about being interesting, I care about the thing I’m doing that’s interesting

[Anonymous No.15628977]

>>15628960
>he projects and pontificates so as to feel superior to those who he claims to disdain yet deep down he knows they are still the only beings on God's green earth who are willing to give his inane incoherent ravings any attention.

[Anonymous No.15628995]

>>15628930
The problem with the proletariat as a 'movement' is that none of them want to be there and, at the very least, passively despise each other. The second a worker comes in sniffing distance of a possible promotion, he's gone from their ranks.

[Anonymous No.15628997]

Incels have a simple solution to their plight: lowering their standards. Ask out a fatty or uggo or single mom, these women are desperate for any stable man with a pulse.

[Anonymous No.15629032]

>>15628997
All guys need to be strict about what they are looking for in a woman. We have the problem we do now because men don't give a shit as long as they're not lonely. Better to be lonely than with someone you can't get hard for

[Anonymous No.15629034]

>>15628995
You're both entirely correct.

[Anonymous No.15629042]

>>15628995
impossibly based

[Anonymous No.15629046]

Restore women to being under the jurisdiction of their father until marriage, at which point she is transferred to her husband. It really is that simple.

[Anonymous No.15629049]

>>15628462
So what's his point? If every way of coping with being undesirable is an impoverished life, is he suggesting that incels should all kill themselves? Or does he suggest some way of inflating ones sexual desirability, thereby pushing some other poor chump down in the hierarchy. I mean if therapy, mail-order brides, hookers, and crystals are ruled out, what possible solution exists? Mind control rays that make everyone maximally attractive? VR-from birth so no one has to experience rejection and perceived low status in their lifetime?

It also seems kind of ignorant to suggest that after buying a wife (historically normal) or becoming some kind of monk, you're still "merely surviving" whereas all the sexually advantaged people are living "real" lives.

[Anonymous No.15629051]

>>15628964
He thinks this is TRP, and that we're gonna go "aha look at these whores!" because they won't fuck him.

[Anonymous No.15629058]

>>15629049
The essay is short. Read it and find out for yourself instead of guessing what his point is based on an excerpt posted merely to rouse interest.

[Anonymous No.15629064]

>>15629051
trp and incels are entirely different versions of sexism

[Anonymous No.15629065]

>>15628995
yeah, this is true to an extent, which is why only feudal societies and colonialist dictatorships ever really had successful marxist revolutions. The people at the bottom knew there was no promotion coming. American working class/middle class still has that temporarily embarassed million ethos.

[Anonymous No.15629090]

>>15628995
Yes.

[Anonymous No.15629091]

>>15628462
play it over a dope beat and call it a house track
Goddamn I would love having incel kino narrator's over dead brain house beats instead of the usual queer faggot "this is my church and fuck my ass in it" shtick

[Anonymous No.15629100]

>>15629064
Only in their logical conclusions. Incels scurry to obscure internet boards and post charts, statistics, facial analyses, and espouse a worldview in which they are victims and women are the perpetrators of the system that made them victims. TRP interpret their failures in a similar manner but their solution is to play 'the game' and treat women as they view them to be (whores). Neither ever considers that they are deficient in any way.

[Anonymous No.15629102]

>>15628995
>proletariat
>movement

[Anonymous No.15629103]

I feel like the whole incel movement can be dismantled if they accept one simple truth. You can see this on places where women openly show their true selves like r/FemaleDatingStrategy or crystal.cafe. The simple truth is: women don't feel the need to give anything back.

It's not their fault, it's just the way society is built. Men do all the legwork, so to speak. Men initiate conversations, plan dates, buy the engagement rings, get on their knee to propose. No matter how much money you spend on them or attention you give them, they will not necessarily reciprocate. In fact, they will get very angry if you try to claim they should.

Society structures men as the offerors, women are the selectors. And you can see this even on places like crystal.cafe, the female r9k, except everyone has a boyfriend. It's their job to choose. So women's primary problem is not that they can't get anyone, it's thay they can get anyone good enough for them. This is the cause of the female saying: no good men left.

And what is a good man? In conversation about it they will get defensive and grossly understate their requirements. But if they're being honestly, broadly it is:

>be reasonably attractive and fit
>be financially stable (ie have a job with career prospects)
>give her things and show her emotional care
>do not masturbate to porn
>address her rampant insecurity which will manifest in strange and highly unpredictable ways

The importance of the last cannot be overstated. Women have been emotionally coddled their whole lives, almost all basically have never been told that they are worthless or stupid or dumb or a failure, things society directly and indirectly tell men all the time. When they have there's always someone they get cry to. So they'll repeatedly ask you things like if these jeans make her look fat or get jealous at other girls. It's an ego emotional thing; they primarily want to feel like they aren't ugly or fat, not necessarily they don't want to be.

Women will expect you all to do these things as if it's their God given right. If you do become their partner they will feel the need to reciprocate to some degree, although underneath they feel they are being extremely generous they are doing it at all. This is the female mindset.

[Anonymous No.15629104]

>>15629100
Incels refer to themselves as genetic rejects all the time.

[Anonymous No.15629125]

>>15629102
Sorry, but the underclass is larger and angrier than petite bougie white boy fascists. First Lenin, then Mao, soon the dialectic will take another step forward.

[Anonymous No.15629136]

>>15629103
>women thinking I don't want the opportunity to filter out uninterested girls
You're out here playing chicken and I'm just making moves until I get nothing back. I walk away with no regrets

[Anonymous No.15629138]

>>15629100
Incels think they are genetically deficient, trp is about behavioral deficiencies.

[Anonymous No.15629155]

>>15629125
>he thinks the underclass isn't still now and forever possessed by false consciousness.

[Anonymous No.15629161]

>>15629125
Neither Lenin nor Mao did anything for the underclass, many of them died, and they remained an underclass with zero political power.

[Anonymous No.15629180]

>>15629103
>You can see this on places where women openly show their true selves
You don't need to go on the female /r9k/ to know this. It is implied in Tinder bios. This is also in the essay:

>Online, you become the person you’ve always known yourself to be, deep down. Online, you’re explicit about the fact that you are paying for a service, and you’re explicit about the fact that what you’re paying for is to get what you really want, and what you’re paying for is the ability to remove that annoying bit of residual romantic nonsense that gets us into annoying situations in life where we have to face up to the fact that we are rational profit maximizers in nothing so much as those intimate areas where we pretend to be otherwise. And so, people on the dating sites disclose what they really want, and also what they really don’t want.

>This friend talked to one man from Maryland who put up his profile on Match.com one night a few years back. This man had good reason to think he would do well on the site. He made more than $150,000 a year; he was white; he was over six feet tall. The next morning, he woke up and checked his account. Over the course of the previous night, he had gotten many responses. How many responses had he gotten? How well could he expect to do, being a man able to check off, without lying, boxes that certified that he made more than $150,000 a year, that he was six feet four inches tall, and that he was white? How well do you think he was going to do on that site where people disclosed what they really wanted out of life and also what they really didn’t want?

[Anonymous No.15629184]

>>15629103
>I feel like the whole incel movement can be dismantled if they accept one simple truth. You can see this on places where women openly show their true selves like r/FemaleDatingStrategy or crystal.cafe. The simple truth is: women don't feel the need to give anything back.
That's one of the central theses of the incel movement, you utter retard.

[Anonymous No.15629186]

>>15629104
>>15629138
I meant deficient in non-physical ways, i.e. "ugly on the inside". Not that I can't relate to these people.

[Anonymous No.15629194]

>>15629184
Do you really need to talk like angry asshole all the time? The guy made a useful post and you call him a retard. Genuinely kill yourself.

[Anonymous No.15629200]

>>15629194
Ohh nooo, don't call him a retaaarrdd.

[Anonymous No.15629205]

>>15628995
BASED

[Anonymous No.15629208]

>>15629186
>"ugly on the inside"

[Anonymous No.15629213]

>>15629194
>useful post

Maybe to retards

[Anonymous No.15629214]

>>15629125
LARP harder. As if the Left cares at all about the underclass. You sacrificed the working class for permanent sexual revolution and racial exotica. The populist right has more to offer the union man than you do these days.

[Anonymous No.15629216]

>>15629200
You better take that back

[Anonymous No.15629218]

>>15628462
oh no I can't get my dick wet! my life is over

[Anonymous No.15629225]

>>15629218
This is actually how normies think.

[Anonymous No.15629233]

>>15629194
Don't blame him. I understand how he feels a little. He's angry and feels helpless, that the whole world is structured so he'll never get what he wants. What hope he has has been fermented by years of societal neglect into resentment. No one listens to him and he feels like he's trapped. The only time he can get some catharsis is when he forces someone else to understand what he thinks, or "blackpill" them. It's the only time his pent up feelings are released and he feels acknowledged.

[Anonymous No.15629239]

>>15629218

[Anonymous No.15629268]

>>15629218
Why don't you try going 20 years without sex and then tell us how you feel?

[Anonymous No.15629277]

>>15629194
Do you really need to talk like angry asshole all the time? The guy made a useful post and you tell him to genuinely kill themselves, you hypocrite double retard.

[Anonymous No.15629286]

based thread.

fuck women
fuck jannies
cant wait for my chinese realdolls

[Anonymous No.15629290]

>>15629286
Based. Same here

[Anonymous No.15629293]

>>15629218
The bad genetics that lead to inceldom lead to many other problems as well

[Anonymous No.15629306]

>>15628832
>Nihilism the post

[Anonymous No.15629321]

>>15628942
stop replying to me subhuman

[Anonymous No.15629325]

Men are treat as a capital assest, we've had two economic crises. the first took 8 years to "right" and gutted full time work leaving us an expanded gig economy. Feminism rose and women bamed everything on men, brands and media got involved and told women they're worth more so now we have a generation of women who have uncritically embodied the marketing campaigns of several industries and think they're better than everyone else. Dating apps/internet make it easier to find people so you can skip the average guys and get pumped by a high status one to get some validation even if he dumps you, can alos just make a profile and get loads of responses just to fluff their ego.

[Anonymous No.15629332]

>>15629032
>Better to be lonely than
Then stop complaining lmao.

[Anonymous No.15629345]

>>15629332
I was complaining by saying men should be strict about what they're selecting for? News to me

[Anonymous No.15629353]

The people who trivialize the problem as "noo i can't get my dick wet" are either completely delusional or just plain stupid.
Sex and women has been one of the primary driving force of all history. Just look at how many wars and conflicts have started over women. Women are also one of the primary motivators of economic activity. Also intimacy is one of the most fundamental physical needs of men. It's in the bottom of Maslow's hierarchy of needs and the reason why psychologists always ask you about your sex life when you're having problems. Trivializing lack of sex as "uhhh I can't get my dick wet" is pretty much the same as trivializing the problems of poor people as "oh no i don't have little paper things with numbers printed on them!": it's dishonest and completely ignores just how fundamental those things are for human beings.
What what has happened in the past two decades is completely unprecedented in history. A radical shift in sexual dynamics. By 2020 most couples in the western world are already meeting online >>15628470 , and this is only growing. The rate of sexless men is also rapidly growing, as shown in pic related. That means all problems associated with sexual liberation are exploding. Female hypergamy is allowed to roam free creating an extremely large swath of involuntarily celebate men.
It's not a problem of some particular guy who is angry that he doesn't have sex. Personally I couldn't care less that I can't have sex, I have other things I like to do and my sexual drive is not even that big. I'm not one to complain about my inceldom because I'm not even sure that I'm an incel, I haven't tried hard enough to confirm it. My point is that it's a problem on the societal fucking scale. It's fucking massive and it's only getting worse. Ignoring and trivializing it won't make it go away. It's real and spreading at an ever accelerating pace.

[Anonymous No.15629400]

>>15629353
>how many wars have been started over women
Zero. The war over Helen of Troy was over a grave breach of manners.

[Anonymous No.15629421]

>>15628484

dang dude

I would never even put in much effort over a 4, fugging a chick you find physically unattractive is only something you stoop to if you are ugly yourself

I guess a lot of guys prefer sex to be as low effort as possible, even if you're fucking dugs. Many of these same men also like having enormous leverage over their partner (like a Chad dating a 3 or 4) so they have free reign to abuse the psychologically dominate their partner who is the lesser party, and not conform to normal social protocols like a good job and normal hygiene. Seen this happen before

[Anonymous No.15629438]

>>15629400
Idk, there has been a good amount due to marriage and shit

[Anonymous No.15629462]

all women are whores

[Anonymous No.15629477]

>>15629058
So the answer is he doesn't have a point or suggested answer. He says both "the answer is love" and "these people are fundamentally unlovable." It was an enjoyable read, if meandering and mostly about himself, but finishing it really makes it no clearer to me what he thinks a solution would even look like. He even affirms again and again that he thinks this is a rational, almost necessary result. So what's the point?

I will apologize for not reading the thread, it's just I've gotten a little too used to not reading incelbait threads. The link to the full article is posted here, in case anyone else skipped it:
>>15628585

[Anonymous No.15629552]

>>15629194

I do not see the point of posting trite normie shit on an anonymous message board as though you have something to lose for being open and honest. Who gives a fuck if somebody gives a sharp sounding retort to a stupid post. That poster should have taken heed to not be oblivious towards the subject matter he posted about. In the same way if we were talking face to face, I would seem like a jerk for being ignorant of rap music, marvel movies, and GoT because I would seem oblivious or even contemptuous of the typical manner of taste mediocre normies like you have in music and television. Your shitty double standard reflects your lack of familiarity with imageboards, spaces where herd conformity is not so strictly enforced and you are much freer to express yourself and that seems too much for you

i.e. fuck off back to Red dit

[Anonymous No.15629621]

>>15628532
Im 5'7" and not particularly attractive and I still manage to find women. Stop trying to piece together your world view through statistics and go outside and actually get some experience. I bought all the incel rhetoric at one point, but looking back, the core of my problem was that my social skills had atrophied from lack of use.

[Anonymous No.15629642]

>>15629621
My worldview is based on facts and statistics. Yours on anecdotal evidence.

[Anonymous No.15629647]

>>15628854
>its just reprehensible to KILL
Shut up, Buddhist cuck

[Anonymous No.15629672]

>>15629552
>i'm hostile because i don't like herd conformity
teenage logic. reddit has nothing to do with polite discourse. reddit in fact is full of pretence and aggressive undertones.

[Anonymous No.15629686]

>>15629621
The statistics are not wrong. But they never learned how to interpret and base decisions on them.
>>15629642
You're analysis is completely wrong. The idea that physical attractiveness conveys a statistical advantage in dating is true and pretty obvious. But the conclusion that this exempts less attractive men from dating is cope you tell yourself because it's emotionally easier than trying to put yourself out there.

[Anonymous No.15629700]

>>15629672

I have never visited a "core reddit" community that didn't feel like a Facebook group for self-identified geeks / nerds, using reddit gives me the same hostile claustrophobic atmosphere I feel around midwit libshits or normies at retail jobs I worked in the past

[Anonymous No.15629716]

>>15629686
>But the conclusion that this exempts less attractive men from dating is cope you tell yourself because it's emotionally easier than trying to put yourself out there.
Are you actually retarded? I've never claimed anything like that nor do I. To the contrary, the only way a person can know if they're an incel or not is if they put themselves out there and try their best. Of course everyone should, and do, try.

[Anonymous No.15629717]

>>15629642
I don't doubt that the stats are real. They just arent a useful way to view the world. If you believe you are fucked by default, you arent gonna make any progress. I dont know your experience so I can only speak for myself. But when I was really fixated on the stats, I just used them to justify my own inaction. Maybe you aren't doing that, but i suspect that a lot of incels are

[Anonymous No.15629768]

>>15629717
>They just arent a useful way to view the world
They are actually extremely useful if you want to understand why there is such a thing as incels and why the problem is and will be getting bigger and bigger. It's closely tied to a lot of things in the world.
>If you believe you are fucked by default, you arent gonna make any progress
Of course.
>I dont know your experience so I can only speak for myself. But when I was really fixated on the stats, I just used them to justify my own inaction.
Right, I realize how that can happen. But on the other hand, the stats clearly demonstrate that incels actually exist, that it's a very real and growing problem. Acknowledging this is the first step to fixing it and can also give comfort to actual incels who are constantly lied to by society and gaslighted. Sometimes it actually isn't your fault that you're an incel, and knowing that your concerns and experience are real can be very consoling.
I do see your point though of young men potentially seeing these statistics and getting demotivated from even trying. However, given how strong and natural the sexual drive is in young men I highly doubt that this will genuinely deter people who can get laid from trying. Even if some do, IMO it's a sacrifice that needs to be made for revealing the truth and exposing what's actually going on.

[Anonymous No.15629773]

>>15629353
>tfw lost it right at 22
>tfw was almost an incel

Maybe thats why Im a little more sympathetic to them. Weird time to be alive

[Anonymous No.15629784]

>>15629773
You don't need to be an incel yourself to be sympathetic to them. I'm 6'4'' and white, I genuinely believe I could get laid if I tried. That doesn't make the facts about the incel problem any less true.

[Anonymous No.15629845]

>>15629353
>1993-1994
>2007-2008
>2011-2012
What happened in these years? Second one is obvious.

[Anonymous No.15629885]

>>15629845
>1993-1994
Peak nerd culture
>2011-2012
Rise of social media probably

[Anonymous No.15629935]

>>15629353
Can you actually give me a source on this? I don't doubt you but anyone can make a graph in MS Office.

[Anonymous No.15629989]

>>15629935
That's a fake chart. The actual chart is pic related.
source can be found here:
https://www.sciencealert.com/the-percentage-of-americans-not-having-sex-has-reached-a-record-high

[Anonymous No.15629990]

>>15629768
What's going on is that women are fucking attractive men because they can.
If I lived in the sort of reality they did, I don't think I'd fuck a girl who didn't look like a member of a k-pop group.

I get the issue incels have but going back to the ways of old is how you get generations of henpecked men with women who think they're being charitable by milking your balls every 6 months.

The only way to have any real control in a relationship is for the women to actively want you.

Most incels would have worse lives if they actually got married. Imagine having to live with a wife who won't fuck you?

Read mumsnet's relationship board and get an inkling of how bad it can be.

[Anonymous No.15630013]

>>15629885
I unironically think the rise of social media is the main culprit in all of this. People have gotten so much more insular in the past 10 years. In 2002 I could go to any public space and meet women, but now, IRL public spaces are dying. The main avenue to meet girls is through online dating which is pretty shit. Its superficial by design and is bad for both men and women.

[Anonymous No.15630019]

>>15630013
>bad for both men and women.
It's bad immediately for men, but only bad in the long run for women. In the short term it's fucking great for women: they can get all the sex they want. The problem is that it gives them an inflated sense of their value and they think just because men are attracted to her on a dating app she will be able to ride the cock carousel and later settle down with a good, rich loving husband.

[Anonymous No.15630045]

>>15630013
Oh for sure, also that rise of meeting at bars as the one graph shows is the other thing increasing. Alcholism and internet addiction really describe this generation. Sad people cant genuinely meet and talk now and is often seen as "creepy"

[Anonymous No.15630051]

>>15628462
I know the responses I’m going to get here...
But this is still too whiteknighty appealing to women. He needs to remind that the men who are hurt by women are hurt because those women were hurt by other men, completely neglecting he overwhelming amount of men who are excluded on principle
I don’t take issue with the last part or the argument overall, but he is still ultimately trying to get women to fuck him which is embarassing

[Anonymous No.15630061]

>>15630051
this

[Anonymous No.15630070]

>>15630013
If public spaces are dying, it's because people want them to die.
It would be quite difficult for me to meet the types of girls I like in the traditional spaces, for example, as I tend to prefer introverted women and asian women, neither of which are usually obviously present in the obvious meeting spaces (bars, pubs or clubs).
There are plenty on dating apps, because the population I have access to is both larger and diverse.
Obviously if you struggle to present a physically appealing image it sort of leaves you out in the cold but the fact that so many people turn to it suggests that they prefer it in theory and I definitely prefer it in practice.
If you were referring to more organic connections formed through a shared hobby or workplace, those options haven't gone anywhere.
If you're talking about walking up to a woman in public, that's just as superficial as online dating and it's not hard to see why women would prefer OLD.

[Anonymous No.15630086]

>>15628972

Yes.

[Anonymous No.15630115]

>>15630019
>In the short term it's fucking great for women: they can get all the sex they want.

For sure, but the "cock-carousel" gets old for women really fast. Most girls I know got over it their first semester of college, and only slip back into it after a break up. Dating apps are pretty useless for women who are looking for a genuine connection.

[Anonymous No.15630127]

>>15630115
This is just a function of men being men.
Men are generally looking for pussy first and "genuine connection" may become a desire once that first desire is satisfied.

[Anonymous No.15630143]

>>15628553
based Victor

[Anonymous No.15630188]

I'm an average looking 3rd world poorfag in a 3 year old relationship with my trad gf, will I be spared from the Chad genocide once the incels rise?

[Anonymous No.15630199]

>>15630051

Well he writes for mainstream publications, so he has to honor social expectations to an extent or his writing would have zero reach

[Anonymous No.15630205]

>>15629989
Thanks for the link anon.

[Anonymous No.15630216]

>>15629353
Hmm.

Interesting

[Anonymous No.15630219]

>not meeting in uni
it's like you hate /lit/ chicks

[Anonymous No.15630226]

>>15630216
That's a fake joke chart. See
>>15629989
for the real one.

[Anonymous No.15630240]

>>15628462
Right on point. The sexual revolution was a failure, time for counter-revolutionary action...

[Anonymous No.15630286]

>>15628726
just go to church and take the volcel pill

[Anonymous No.15630287]

>>15630070
>if public spaces are dying, it's because people want them to die.

I don't think this is something people are choosing voluntarily. Social media is designed to be as addictive as possible. It lets people address their social needs without providing the same nourishment that in person interaction provides. Public spaces are dying because people are hooked on its junk food alternative.

In the past loneliness would act as a motive force that would push us to go outside form organic connections. Social media enables us to trick our brain into thinking we are forming connections, temporarily pausing lonely feelings , without fixing the conditions that caused it.

[Anonymous No.15630295]

>>15628832
yea you need to read more than half of a book my nietzsche to post here,
>inb4 nietzsche wasnt a nihilism
the rebbitors dont get that. thats called nuance and its far beyond their conception, we can call this post exhibit A

[Anonymous No.15630310]

>>15630286
If you go to church there is a high chance you will find a partner there. He or she may not meet standards and preferences but if you find yourself 'involuntarily' celibate, you can find a spouse and sex - starting on your wedding night, of course. I guarantee anyone reading this that if you are 30 and desperate, you will find AN option at the local 'young adult' bible study.

[Anonymous No.15630355]

>>15630310
the first kiss is at the altar.
american 'beauty' and promiscuity shall be despised in histories annals, even that word beauty will never be as eternal as the truer beauty of the kosmos of the greeks, which has ironically infiltrated our language in our cosmos and co.smetic, this perfect coincidence showcases how we are not innocuous, but rather intentional forgetters of obligations of beauty, which were once so present that they embodied the entire greek conception of the world, his kosmos. Our modern conscience shall forever be seared onto our speech, and on our written tonues, which others will come to despise. this place is disgusting i cant believe im moving to a city probably going to neckrope soon after, any anons with experience in this realm? only advice from successful neckrope anons.

[Anonymous No.15630372]

>>15628832
this guy's right, I understand feeling like an outcast and being denied something essential to the human experience can hurt but craving female affection and approval is undignified

[Anonymous No.15630408]

>>15628523
It's not like right wingers are any nicer to incels.
>kek beta cuck manlet basedboy

[Anonymous No.15630464]

>>15628470
>met in bar or restaurant going up
How many of those met online and are just lying?

[Anonymous No.15630577]

Somebody should write a novel like The Stranger or Crime and Punishment exploring the dangers of inceldom.

[Anonymous No.15630605]

>>15630577
Didn't E. Rodger do exactly that?

[Anonymous No.15630667]

>>15630577
didn't dostoyevsky do exactly that?
this guy didn't understand the myriad implications in a book that emcompasses the entire realm of young mens thought, its headiness, arbitrariness, and high command over his life. a realm of thought without context, which is granted by white hairs.

[Anonymous No.15630675]

>>15630577
Close enough?

[Anonymous No.15630801]

>>15630605
Riger's thing was more about a manifesto
>>15630667
>>15630675
I meant more in a contemporary context. Maybe following a young man that starts of normal. But he has some dating blunders, ends up online, gets more and more blackpilled, tried chatting up girls online but has a horrible experience. Then he becomes toxic and starts to drag other men down with him. Maybe ends with his suicide.

[Anonymous No.15630820]

>>15630577
The characters aren't interesting enough sustain a novel

[Anonymous No.15630858]

>>15630801
There was one written by a white guy recently, I forgot the name, it was something like The Roommate or some shit and the author had a generic white name like Kyle or Derek. Impossible to find now since that describes a 1000 romance novels. Damn, does anyone know what that book is?

[Anonymous No.15630936]

>>15630858
Meh, I'll never be able to find it. I think the guy even got some minor award for it. It was about some onions type dude with an ugly feminist gf who starts stalking a hot art thot or something, and rapes her at the end. Not exactly, the same topic, but certainly a tale of 21st century masculinity or lack there of.

[Anonymous No.15630945]

>>15629672
telling someone to kill themself sounds hostile to me desu. also kill your self

[Anonymous No.15630968]

>>15628975
Expand on this, por favor

[Anonymous No.15631024]

Just a reminder

[Anonymous No.15631033]

>>15629103
>crystal.cafe
boy oh boy this is a goldmine of cringe

[Anonymous No.15631065]

>>15631033
The other good one is "redpillwives" or whatever on the other site, if it hasn't been banned yet.

[Anonymous No.15631081]

>>15631024

[Anonymous No.15631082]

>>15631065
They have two kinds of women on there: one that is like "i sucked 20 dudes dicks a week for a year and i'm still not married wtf men suck!" or "i've been dating this guy for 9 months and he kept pressuring me for sex at first, but now he says he thought we were just friends, i thought we had something special!" its like the virgin and whore archetypes to a tee.

[Anonymous No.15631106]

>>15631033
I wonder how many women think like pic related?

[Anonymous No.15631137]

>>15631106
Roughly 100%, but I’m convinced that’s a man larping because no woman would be so explicit about it

[Anonymous No.15631149]

>>15631106
desu she's not wrong

[Anonymous No.15631170]

>>15631149
What do you agree with in the post?

[Anonymous No.15631186]

>>15631170
Men not looking at women as equals. Most of the guys here at promiscuous women like garbage, but will gladly be promiscuous if they could. Pretty cringe desu senpai

[Anonymous No.15631207]

>>15631186
Why would they look at them as equals? Women and men aren't equal. Do you think women look at men as equals? lmao
>Most of the guys here at promiscuous women like garbage
Like whores, which they are. I hate promiscuous men too but it's different because ultimately the choice is on the part of women: women are the gatekeepers of sex.

[Anonymous No.15631218]

>>15628470
>Family
Wtf

[Anonymous No.15631226]

>>15631106
>>15631033
I did not need to stumble upon this today

[Anonymous No.15631229]

>>15631218
Moms and dads talk. Ever heard of family friends?

[Anonymous No.15631235]

>>15631226
What do you mean?
I'm so desensitized to all blackpills at this point that I'm not sure what you're even reacting to lol.

[Anonymous No.15631239]

>>15631186
I believe I wouldn't be promiscuous even if I could. If not for virtue of being faithful than for lack of emotional power to engage in two relationships at once. It may be cool and intriguing for people who have no life interests other than sex but for me being with a woman is already a massive investment of precious time and energy.

[Anonymous No.15631253]

>>15628462
>oh no the free market isn't working for me
incels are actual commies

[Anonymous No.15631268]

>>15631253
>reactionary = commie
uhm ok sweaty

[Anonymous No.15631314]

>>15631106
Feminist fascism is the one, true redpill. The lesser sex must be overcome and suppressed until such time as it can be dispensed with entirely and liquidated. Science is already developing ways to engineer sperm cells from skin cells; the day of the pliers draws near.

[Anonymous No.15631330]

>>15628553

Why are most of them niggers?

[Anonymous No.15631334]

>>15631314
THEY are mongrelizing men and women both. if you want to eradicate half the species, you are as much a life-hating insectoid demon as THEY are