Atheism

[Anonymous No.15617065]

Are there any non-cringe, non-New Atheism, actually respectable books on atheism?

Please don't shit up the thread with christcuck spam. I just want to learn about atheism.

[Anonymous No.15617087]

This one is very highly rated, both critically and by users. Anyone read it?

[Anonymous No.15617150]

>>15617065
you must understand that both theism and atheism are schizophrenia. if you know something exists you don't argue. I know Sun exists, Moon. if someone says that there's no Sun, I know he just wants sex but is too poisoned with morality to say the truth, even to admit.

Bruhists say Bruh exists, they did not see, but "believe", believe that they believe. I don't argue, it is a bait, they want sex.

Bud stupid atheists say Bruh doesn't exist. First, they don't know it. Second, they are arguing with hallucination.

If something doesn't exist there's no word for it and meaning. something that doesn't exist is part of nothingness, void, it is void itself. you don't talk about silence, you just remain silent. Basically, atheists also want sex.

[Anonymous No.15617186]

>>15617065
This board is sickening. Even the people wanting genuine book suggestions and regular conversation use buzzwords like "cringe" and "christcuck". Maybe you'll get real answers by real people if you stop perpetuating this nonsense buzzword culture. I'm so tired of pseud, pleb, kys, fag, kek, [colour[pilled.

[Anonymous No.15617259]

>>15617186
agreed. christcuck is a bad word. rather say stupid degenerate believers, scum obsessed with self salvation and unsolicited salvation of others, narcissistic faggots.

[Anonymous No.15617307]

>>15617065
Ok, anon. I'm an atheist, but I don't read about any of these things. Why? Because I honestly don't care. I try to occupy my mind with useful things. I don't need a book to undo God or anything, why are you going to read that? Don't mind preaching it to other people, anon. They will resent you. That is why so many religious people hate Nietzsche.

[Anonymous No.15617323]

>>15617186
cringe bluepilled midwit pseud

[Anonymous No.15617337]

>>15617065
Why would there be a book on a lack of a belief?

[Anonymous No.15617370]

>>15617065
>Are there any non-cringe, non-New Atheism, actually respectable books on atheism?

Are you new to philosophy of religion or just a brainlet?
Look into the work of J. L. Mackie, Graham Oppy, Michael Martin, Jordan Howard Sobel and William L. Rowe.

[Anonymous No.15617397]

>>15617065
No because atheism is a finished concept. There is no physical evidence for a divine creator, and walla! Atheism!
The problem atheists dont even realize they have is that its been tried before. In every epoch and age people have abandonded religion to live by impulse alone. Modern atheists seem to think becausd SCIENCE! and technology produces enough food for everyone to eat themselves to death the destructive impulses in man wont catch up with us.

[Anonymous No.15617404]

>>15617065
No

[Anonymous No.15617408]

>>15617397
>walla!
The absolute state of burgers

[Anonymous No.15617441]

>>15617065
nietzsche if one could call him a true athiest
other than that lmao n

[Anonymous No.15617472]

>>15617065
The only philosophical treatment I've read is JL Mackie's "The Miracle of Theism".

Believe it or not, atheists tend not to read books about atheism. It's like reading books about why fairies don't exist. It's not that complicated or interesting.

[Anonymous No.15617491]

>>15617397
>>15617408
Jesus is alive and well and living in Walla Walla, Washington.

[Anonymous No.15617660]

>>15617370
Thanks for posting this anon

[Anonymous No.15617669]

>>15617065
Prometheus Rising

[Anonymous No.15617821]

>>15617065
Oh and a piece of advice, OP. Religious people aren't nice. Don't trust them, so don't tell anyone that you are an atheist depending on where you live. Some people are really fucking retarded and are going to go out of their way to mess with you. You already know that you can't expect them to be reasonable all the times, so keep that in mind and it might save you some trouble.

[Anonymous No.15617857]

The Devil's Delusion by David Berlinski

[Anonymous No.15617870]

>>15617821
Projection? I've met far more militant atheists in the first world than militant religious zealots.

[Anonymous No.15617888]

It's really short, as he literally lists why he isn't, but his reasoning is virtually irrefutable.

[Anonymous No.15617934]

>>15617397
Theists will always have the problem of the massively varying and mutually exclusive number of faiths. By pure arithmetic alone we can conclude unequivocally that faith is an unreliable road to truth. If you are a theist, you have become convinced of claims that aren't just unverified, they are unverifiable and thus have bought into a system where you could believe literally anything and everything, from prophets flying to the moon on winged horses to the transfiguration of water into wine to Lord Shiva bringing his decapitated son back to life with the head of elephant. It's genuinely embarrassing that this patently false method of reaching belief is so rife throughout our species

[Anonymous No.15617945]

>>15617888
>Dick Carrier
How do you not instantly change your name asap with a name like that?

[Anonymous No.15617964]

>>15617945
It's an accurate descriptor of a man though. Are you saying you don't carry a dick on your body, anon? Because if you don't you better post your tits

[Anonymous No.15617974]

>>15617307
imagine you transfer such christian hater to another galaxy, another planet, alone. there's no Nietzsche, no even his corpse, nothing of civilization exists, but the guy still hates Nietzsche. Nietzsche is in his head, he hates himself.

[Anonymous No.15617976]

>>15617870
Not talking about being militant, more about not being nice. People usually are "radical" atheist militants because they are constantly harassed, first at home and everywhere else. They are just reproducing the way they were treated at home. I bet that all those atheists who are "radicals" come from religious families and the "chill" ones are mostly from non-religious ones.

And religious people hate atheists. Don't be dishonest.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discrimination_against_atheists

They get really bothered by them. I might not be the brightest person ever but I'm not blind nor stupid. I noticed that when I was 16 or something.

[Anonymous No.15618008]

>>15617976
There are some states which have specific laws stating that belief in god is required for an individual to hold public office. Religious hostility to non-believers is absolutely the norm, especially in places like the US

[Anonymous No.15618069]

>>15618008
That is why I'm talking to him to not say anything to anyone. Even if it is legal. Honestly, people are crazy, seriously. My father had a college degree but turned into a fucking retard when I told him I was an atheist. Religion ruins people's minds in some sense. I can see how it works for the better, but I can't say that it is perfect like they claim.

[Anonymous No.15618081]

>>15618008
At worst they're empty threats since that violates the 1st Amendment and nowadays people generally don't care that you are an atheist unless you live in a small town. At worst they'll mock you or do something that might offend you, but that's literally what a some atheists do to religious people so it's not that big a deal.

[Anonymous No.15618097]

>>15618069
Sorry to hear about your dad's reaction, hope he eventually got a grip but I know older people who have been in that mindset for so long can really have their priorities warped

[Anonymous No.15618104]

>>15617065
Nietzsche and Bakunin

[Anonymous No.15618108]

>>15617186
Have sex

[Anonymous No.15618118]

>>15618097
Yes, and it was so fucked up that he couldn't even tell me something like that. That it might be better to pretend, because people are crazy. That was because he himself lost his reason when I told him that.

I do understand that religion puts an eternal element into people's lives and that they truly believe in all that stuff. But that is why Nietzsche is so appealing, my father was willing to ruin our relationship on this world to guarantee one in the other. How this isn't madness?

[Anonymous No.15618991]

>>15617065
Nietzsche

[Anonymous No.15619008]

>>15617934
At the pearly gates, St Peter will redirect all non-Hussites to the eternal fires of hell.

[Anonymous No.15619126]

>>15617065
no
Deleuze and Nietzsche are your best bets but even then Nietzsche lends himself to a kind of paganism and Deleuze supposedly can be easily subsumed into a theological framework (per Christoper Ben Simpson)
Hume was the only real Atheist philosopher and Kant + Feser destroyed him

[Anonymous No.15619131]

>>15619126
Cringe.

[Anonymous No.15619281]

>>15619131
what was cringe about it

[Anonymous No.15620593]

>>15617186
It's just a different vernacular. Get over it boomer.

[Anonymous No.15620655]

The Miracle of Theism - J.L. Mackie
The Non-Existence of God - Nicholas Everitt
Logic and Theism - Jordan Sobel

[Anonymous No.15620693]

>>15617065
No, because all atheists do is whine about how they don't understand why God does certain things, and project their liberal morality onto God.

[Anonymous No.15620803]

>>15617186
Go back.

[Anonymous No.15620811]

>>15617150
Retard
The only reason people use atheism/atheist today is that that was the term people who didn't believe in whatever superstition ruled the day got labeled with, before getting tossed on the bonfire or made to drink hemlock
So to use it is simply a fuck you to all the mental critters who want to put us all back there
Like ISIS or your christcuck

[Anonymous No.15620957]

>>15617065
A book about the belief in nothing? Why would there be a book?

[Anonymous No.15620964]

>>15617821
Seek Jesus friend. He can help you cope.

[Anonymous No.15620991]

>>15620693
based
>why doesn't god make bad men go away?
>therefore god deserves our spit

[Anonymous No.15620995]

>>15620803
(You)

[Anonymous No.15621009]

>>15620964
Good advice. With Jesus you can have fun, with religious people you eventually will require meds.

[Anonymous No.15621017]

>>15620811
What? Take meds.

[Anonymous No.15621024]

>>15617821
Are you schizophrenic? Your grasp of reality sounds very tenuous

[Anonymous No.15621042]

>>15621024
No, but when you are still "discovering atheism" you tend to think that religious people are going to be ok with it and most of them aren't. I experienced all that, anon. It destroyed my relationship with my father.

And if you are not going to say anything besides this shit, might as well fuck off.

> muh are you schizophrenic? you trap of real sound thin

At least ask for further explanation before acting like a retard.

[Anonymous No.15621061]

>>15620957
>>15617337
>>15617397
These posts seem to imply that a book about lack of belief in God has the same basis for existence as a book about lack of belief in Santa Clause.

Do you really need an explanation as to why this isn't the case?

[Anonymous No.15621112]

>>15621042
There's some about asking someone on the internet if they are schizophrenic that paints you as a jackass no matter what, but truly was confused by the "going out of their way to mess with you" stuff

[Anonymous No.15621196]

>>15617065
Some Mistakes of Moses, by Robert Ingersoll.

[Anonymous No.15621294]

>>15621061
We really don't need a book about the lack of belief in santa clause. What are you getting at?

[Anonymous No.15621328]

>>15617945
I'm dying

[Anonymous No.15621377]

>>15621196
>if god real why i dont like his morals
>if bible true why it not a science book
So these are the true atheist intellectuals, huh?

[Anonymous No.15621401]

>>15621377
I notice you have no answers.

[Anonymous No.15621552]

>>15621112
This is something particularly dangerous on this site. Don't point your fingers at other anons and ask if they have schizophrenia.

My dad turned into a bigot. I'm this anon >>15618069

[Anonymous No.15621640]

>>15617888
>Richard Carrier
The guy that was payed a few grand to suddenly “look into” Jesus Mythicism? Even though it goes against every single other scholar in New Testament scholarship and History?

[Anonymous No.15621759]

>>15617186
Oh no people are using chan-speak on my personal LITTÉRATURE forum. how sickening !

gtfo newfag

[Anonymous No.15621767]

>>15617186
>Oh no people are using chan-speak on my personal LITTÉRATURE forum. how sickening !
gtfo newfag

[Anonymous No.15621796]

>>15617065
Any book dealing with the curse of YHVH a destructive semitic desert demon that destroyed many native spiritual forms throughout the history.
It is because of him that atheism even exists since his final goal is to bring spiritual desert around the globe.

It is on this ground that I reject atheism, it is in fact a form of spiritual semitism

[Anonymous No.15621816]

>>15617945
>>15617964

[Anonymous No.15621831]

Bertrand Russell Why I am not a Christian
J. L. Mackie The Miracle of Theism

[Anonymous No.15621846]

I got you

[Anonymous No.15621850]

>>15617065
Atheism is denial or genetically insufficient intuition.

Meaning you're either a subhuman or a deciever of men.

[Anonymous No.15621871]

>>15621850
Explain further

[Anonymous No.15621874]

>>15617397
Bible is the truth and walla - theism

[Anonymous No.15621969]

>>15621377
You'd expect a divinely inspired book to be a reliable describer of the world and how we should act on it and not just a reflection of an specific set of beliefs traceable to a certain geographic, historical and ethnic source

[Anonymous No.15622001]

>>15621874
Bible is the absolute truth.
Is Nebuchadnezzar fake news? Did Daniel's prophecy not come true? Is it wrong to love thy neighbor like you do yourself? Golden rule also wrong? Its ok to sacrifice your children to Moloch and other inanimate objects?

check mate atheist.

[Anonymous No.15622026]

>>15622001
>Is Nebuchadnezzar fake news?
Considering the city of Tyre does in fact still exist? Yes!

[Anonymous No.15622047]

>>15621871
Lifestyle, circumstances, and genetic lineage determines whether or not you can feel God within yourself, but only you can make the choice to deny it. Be a clear transciever for the signal.

[Anonymous No.15622057]

>>15622047
>but only you can make the choice to deny it
If I feel nothing, how am I denying anything? There's nothing there to deny.

[Anonymous No.15622156]

>>15622026
ahem

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nebuchadnezzar_II

[Anonymous No.15622188]

>>15622156
Ezekiel 26:7-14
> “For this is what the Sovereign Lord says: From the north I am going to bring against Tyre Nebuchadnezzar[a] king of Babylon, king of kings, with horses and chariots, with horsemen and a great army. He will ravage your settlements on the mainland with the sword; he will set up siege works against you, build a ramp up to your walls and raise his shields against you. He will direct the blows of his battering rams against your walls and demolish your towers with his weapons. His horses will be so many that they will cover you with dust. Your walls will tremble at the noise of the warhorses, wagons and chariots when he enters your gates as men enter a city whose walls have been broken through. The hooves of his horses will trample all your streets; he will kill your people with the sword, and your strong pillars will fall to the ground. They will plunder your wealth and loot your merchandise; they will break down your walls and demolish your fine houses and throw your stones, timber and rubble into the sea. I will put an end to your noisy songs, and the music of your harps will be heard no more. I will make you a bare rock, and you will become a place to spread fishnets. You will never be rebuilt, for I the Lord have spoken, declares the Sovereign Lord.
Literally fake news.

[Anonymous No.15622204]

>>15622188
Sure, and Memphis TN is the capital of Egypt, just like Paris FL is the capital of France.

[Anonymous No.15622211]

>>15621850
Cringe cope.

[Anonymous No.15622221]

>>15622204
Well as long as we agree!

[Anonymous No.15622224]

>>15621017
Atheism didn't originate as something anyone called themselves because they didn't believe
It originated as a slur or judgement that groups of believers directed at people who didn't believe in their particular gods, whether those people were ancient Greeks, or Christians
It is still mainly used by people in post-Christian societies to distinguish themselves from Christians, because this latter group can't fathom that anyone could possible not believe in their personal religion, in spite of the fact that the last 500 years have been a continuing struggle for secularization and again supersticion
Just as 90% of atheist threads here are made by trolling relitards

[Anonymous No.15622229]

>>15622221
That every word of the Bible is true. Yes.

[Anonymous No.15622275]

>>15622229
I kneel.

[Anonymous No.15622288]

>>15622204
Except that the Tyre of the Bible is the same Tyre that exists today. Not even Alexander's much later conquest rendered it uninhabited, nevermind Nebuchadnezzar who didn't even take the city.

[Anonymous No.15622314]

>>15622057
>Lifestyle, circumstances, and genetic lineage determines whether or not you can feel God within yourself

[Anonymous No.15622320]

>>15622314
So if I can't feel anything, what am I denying?

[Anonymous No.15622323]

>>15622288
The Bible is true and your lies hold no power here

[Anonymous No.15622388]

>>15622288
Close, but no cigar. Don't beat yourself up about it, its not the only Biblical passage open for debate. Not every Christian takes every word literally, nor does every non Christian completely dismisses it. Personally, I live by it and study it, and recommend that nonbelievers can at least take away the golden rule. It really won't hurt.

[Anonymous No.15622415]

>>15622388
>city is in the same location
>is called Tyre
>but if you don't build OVER ALL THE RUINS it's not rebuilding
Anon no

[Anonymous No.15622418]

>>15617065
>religion bad
>immediately becomes defensive of his own religious tribe when put into question
>quoting bible in a movie is anti-semetic, which means he would also say Bach's passions were anti-semetic too as they depict the same part.
>"former" marxist
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bObuJd32k38
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkDIdm5JQ9s

Fucking hypocrite, at least his brother seems alright.

[Anonymous No.15622472]

>>15622415
New Tyre is built in a near by location, not the exact same spot. The ruins were never rebuilt. Its the equivalent of building a city on mainland NY state and calling it Manhattan.

[Anonymous No.15622512]

>>15622472
>The ruins were never rebuilt
Hmm, how awkwardly, unnaturally specific. It's almost as if most people would normally think of a city being rebuilt as a city being rebuilt instead of individual, specific buildings themselves.

[Anonymous No.15622514]

>>15617186
Christcucks are some of the most fragile people on this planet, I swear

[Anonymous No.15622550]

>>15621850
Theism is denial or genetically insufficient intuition.

Meaning you're either a subhuman or a deciever of men.

[Anonymous No.15622579]

>>15622550
>t. literal mutant
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwtDm4pjwsI

[Anonymous No.15622664]

>>15622579
you won't deceive me, subhuman. begone

[Anonymous No.15622665]

>>15622418
You're in the wrong thread retard, arguing with your imaginary strawman.

[Anonymous No.15622715]

>>15622512
Basically? Tyre was never rebuilt though, the island literally sank by the time Alexander was done. A new city stands near by, bearing its name.

Mat 11:22 But I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon at the day of judgment, than for you.

[Anonymous No.15622732]

>>15622715
I see, so the city of Tyre exists.

[Anonymous No.15622750]

>>15622665
straw man? Christopher Hitchens is a dead man, and how can you even argue against a dead man?

[Anonymous No.15622761]

>>15617397
>walla

ahahahahahahahahaha

[Anonymous No.15622767]

>>15622732
There is a city called Tyre, and there used to be a totally different city called Tyre. Which has long been sunk. There's a city called Orleans in France, and there's a city called New Orleans in LA.
>why isn't Tyre called New Tyre
Who can say? Why isn't Memphis TN called New Memphis.

[Anonymous No.15622770]

Colin Howson's _Objecting to God_ is a very good read. The late Professor Howson was an expert on probability theory, which comes in handy when discussing arguments that invoke the alleged fine tuning of the universe. There's also an interesting section dealing with the logical possibility of God's existence.

[Anonymous No.15622795]

>>15617087
I’ve read it. It’s alright. Basically talks about how savage Muslims are and how shitty life is for women in Muslim countries. The parts about female genital mutilation are gnarly

[Anonymous No.15622809]

>>15622795
Women deserve it. When Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) visited Hell he saw that it is mostly populated by women.

[Anonymous No.15622815]

>>15622809
you deserve to get your tongue out for talking trash

[Anonymous No.15622820]

>>15622815
You lash out at me brother, because you are your woman's slave.

[Anonymous No.15622822]

>>15622820
No, brother, I'm just not a savage.

[Anonymous No.15622832]

>>15622822
A woman is driven by lust. Removal of the clitoris will prevent her from seeking the pleasure that she should receive from serving her husband.

[Anonymous No.15622862]

>>15622832
No, a woman is driven by her instinct to nurture her children and care for her husband. Your twisted ideology and sickening practices have no place among civilized men.

[Anonymous No.15622881]

>>15622862
A woman will abort her child if given a chance (we see this in America) and divorce her husband (we see this in Europe)

[Anonymous No.15622888]

>>15622881
>every single last woman is a soulless slut
You need to lighten up, have yourself a drink.

[Anonymous No.15622892]

>>15622888
Alcohol is forbidden also and degenerate

[Anonymous No.15622901]

>>15622892
I know. Drunkards can't into the kingdom of God. But what does a wicked man have to worry about? You are already doomed.

[Anonymous No.15623007]

>>15619126
Kant agreed with Hume on many points about religion. To Kant, the existence of God cannot be proved (because it is a transcendent one in which humans cannot come to contact).

[Anonymous No.15623057]

>>15622323
Demonstrating the dogma of religion.

[Anonymous No.15623062]

how dick dawkins got pwned by mencius moldbug

[Anonymous No.15623115]

>>15621850
>Christian
>calls people subhuman

[Anonymous No.15623199]

>>15623115
it's standard practice in the anime trad cath twitter denomination

[Anonymous No.15623246]

I'm an atheist and I'll never read a book about atheism. You just are.

[Anonymous No.15623290]

>>15617065
>God is not Great
Well, that's a step above Him being just dead at least

[Anonymous No.15623701]

>>15617065

[Anonymous No.15625431]

>>15617934
>By pure arithmetic alone we can conclude unequivocally that faith is an unreliable road to truth.

lol this is just proof all atheists are rick and morty fanboy tier redditors

[Anonymous No.15625650]

>>15617065
Hitchens is great

[Anonymous No.15625657]

>>15617259
This

[Anonymous No.15625663]

>>15617408

[Anonymous No.15625670]

>>15617934
Based

[Anonymous No.15625752]

>>15622888
>every single last woman is a soulless slut
Yes.

[Anonymous No.15625865]

>>15617259
LOOK MA, IM BEING EDGY

[Anonymous No.15625883]

>>15617397
Some people are always going to believe in god and some people are always going to be atheists, no matter what anyone says about either
You can’t force people to believe in something if it runs contrary to their individual sensibilities. We’re not a hive mind.

[Anonymous No.15625893]

>>15617821
I wish you nothing but happiness, god bless you

[Anonymous No.15625943]

>>15622832
What if they’re a transgender woman?

[Anonymous No.15626301]

>>15625431
>one comment in a taiwanese knitting board is proof all atheists are imbeciles
>yet the myriad of contradicting faith-based religions evidence no flaws in faith-based statements
baffling

[Anonymous No.15626672]

>>15617934
>Theists will always have the problem of the massively varying and mutually exclusive number of faiths.
Scientists will always have the problem of the massively varying and mutually exclusive number of theories.
>but scientific community weeds out the dissidents
So does the church with heresies.

[Anonymous No.15626718]

>>15626672
(1. The scientific community doesn't "weed out dissidents" you absolute mongoloid, dissonance is the very process by which science advances.
(2. By what exact process do you think the church weeds out dissonance? By condemning deviation from faith? Why is faith in one religious doctrine more valid than another? The Hindus might have had it right all along and all other faiths are false.

[Anonymous No.15626748]

>>15626718
>dissonance is the very process by which science advances.
Using this logic, a huge number of sects is actually better for faith.

[Anonymous No.15626764]

>>15626748
Tolerance of different viewpoints is far superior to theoretic totalitarianism if that's what you mean

[Anonymous No.15626774]

>>15626764
Ok, so a large number of religions actually supports the idea of faith in the end? That's a progress from the initial claim.

[Anonymous No.15627789]

>>15617934
How did you decide suddenly that there is no method among religions?
Just like in scientific method, some faiths turn out to be dead on arrival, made for money, containing the truth all other aspire to or vacuous.

Christianity is the all encompassing one, with spiritual practices working all the time, because Christian God is real and the only one worth talking about, the rest are fiction.

[Anonymous No.15627946]

>>15626672
Scientific theories are not overreaching worldviews that make grandiose claims about metaphysics and epistemology.
Your analogy doesn't work at all.

[Anonymous No.15627955]

>>15627789
>Christianity is the all encompassing one, with spiritual practices working all the time, because Christian God is real
lol k

[Anonymous No.15627959]

>>15627955

[Anonymous No.15627981]

>>15626748
faith doesn’t advance retard

[Anonymous No.15629122]

>>15627789
tell me what exactly are christian spiritual practices? hint: spirit, inspire, respiration, all these words originate from "breath".
Time for christcucks to BSOD.