/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.15589374]

Is there a bigger joke than "right-wing intelligentsia?"

[Anonymous No.15589401]

>>15589374
yes, right-wing as a hole

[Anonymous No.15589413]

The human project as a whole

[Anonymous No.15589414]

>>15589374
left/right wing doesn't exist, stop feeling superior because of your made-up larp

[Anonymous No.15589467]

>>15589414
>being a horseshoe theory-let

[Anonymous No.15589635]

>>15589467
>political thoughts can be defined by your position on a line

[Anonymous No.15589652]

yes, "left-wing intelligentsia"

[Anonymous No.15589657]

They're not even funny, they've managed to become more hysterical and ridiculous than bush era conservatives.

[Anonymous No.15589690]

>>15589657
says the guy who doesn't believe in science if it goes against his views

[Anonymous No.15589701]

>>15589690
What don't I believe about science? That white people and black people come from different planets?

[Anonymous No.15589707]

>>15589467
This is cringe, horse shoe theory plays into the dichotomy of a quantitative looping spectrum when the guy is talkind about abandoning it all together. Go back to your reddit youtuber.

[Anonymous No.15589718]

>>15589374
Aby “intelligencia” at all

[Anonymous No.15589732]

>>15589467
I don't think you understand what horseshoe theory means.

[Anonymous No.15589752]

>>15589701
speciation due to geographical separation, sexual dimorphism, intelligence as the ability of your brain to process information..

[Anonymous No.15589787]

>>15589374
Yeah, the left wing in general

[Anonymous No.15589934]

>>15589374
All intellectual work prior to 1500 is right wing.

[Anonymous No.15589951]

>the educated classes, the lackeys of capital, who consider themselves the brains of the nation. In fact they are not its brains but its shit

[Anonymous No.15589961]

>>15589752
Are you claiming to be a different species than blacks?

[Anonymous No.15589971]

>>15589961
Yes

[Anonymous No.15589977]

>>15589971
Enjoy the misery of thinking truth comes from man, or a group of men

[Anonymous No.15589980]

>>15589787
SEEEEEEEETHE, trumptard

[Anonymous No.15590162]

Being part of the intelligentsia doesn't require one to be intelligent, idiot.

[Anonymous No.15590201]

>>15589374
Niggers hahahaha

[Anonymous No.15590215]

Religious intelligentsia

[Anonymous No.15590227]

>>15589961
>>15589971
It's completely possible that human beings are the result of annunakis fucking neanderthals. Basically we're all mutts, and we all have annunaki dna

[Anonymous No.15590261]

>>15590227
It's completely possible God whacked his omnidick over Israel and made the first joo 5000 years ago

[Anonymous No.15590273]

>>15589374
Yes- your existence. It's one of the best jokes God ever told, and He knows it only needs to be told once.

[Anonymous No.15590274]

>>15590227
We have like 5 percent neanderthal dna at most and 5% neanderthal dna is 99% similar to chimps and 100% similar to something behind it

[Anonymous No.15590281]

>>15589977
where else would it come from

[Anonymous No.15590292]

>>15590281
Man grasps the nature of truth from reality. We mess up a lot but 1+1 is always 2 chemically etc. It might not be symbolized best as that but truth is certainly prior to math even

[Anonymous No.15590297]

>>15590292
doesn’t answer the question

[Anonymous No.15590298]

>>15589374
yes. american intelligentsia. much bigger joke.

[Anonymous No.15590306]

>>15590274
I think the issue w statistics is it doesn't include some slider to reference how far zoomed in it is. Ppl zoom in so far and pretend that's undeniable fact that should guide public policy. If you need to zoom in then it's less applicable to everyone or reality

[Anonymous No.15590311]

>>15590297
How is reality not an answer?

[Anonymous No.15590507]

>>15589980
>everyone who laughs at leftists is a trumptard
Thanks for proving my point

[Anonymous No.15590658]

>>15589961
Are grizzlys and polar bears the same species?

[Anonymous No.15590681]

>>15590507
>I'm not a (((cuckservative))), I'm a trad orthodox based zoomer Caesars poopooist peepeeist
Nobody cares about your pet politics

[Anonymous No.15590699]

>>15589374
anyone remember when you red for the first time the term "dark enlightenment" thought "let´s look up what concept it encompasses" and it
was just the try if tradcels trying to look intellectual??

[Anonymous No.15590705]

>>15590699
dark enlightenment is actually a fashion aesthetic

[Anonymous No.15590725]

>>15589401
>yes, right-wing as a hole
Leftists so used to buggering that all they can think about is holes

[Anonymous No.15590733]

>>15590658
Does it matter? If it does in relation to certain healthcare then on those issues it matters. Are you going to make a whole ideology around those differences? (Which are arguably .00001% of genetic differences between them)
Even if we're speaking sentient amoebas vs man, you're still not going to find the solution in the differences between them. That necessarily creates two different solutions and you can't appeal to segregation because that's appealing to a universal truth, which is the exact opposite direction you're heading towards

[Anonymous No.15590736]

>>15589374
>He hasn't eve read about Praxeology
Have fun screeching about the bourgeoisie while being economically illiterate

[Anonymous No.15590932]

>right wing "intellegentsia"

[Anonymous No.15590951]

>>15589467
i’ve never seen a horse wearing shoes

[Anonymous No.15590956]

>>15590951
Well they're out there buddy

[Anonymous No.15590996]

Right:
>Carlyle, Hamilton, Johnson, Burke, Calhoun, Eliot, Yeats, Plato, Aristotle, Aquinas
Left:
>Marx, Proudhon, Faure, Paine, Illich,
The left is kind of shit. Not to mention modern left can't even claim most of these guys because they'd vomit on hearing about the new stupid beliefs you've tacked onto their mostly class-based assessments.

[Anonymous No.15591019]

>>15590996
How is Aristotle or Plato rw? At different times they promote pedarasty

[Anonymous No.15591027]

>>15590996
Aquinas was considered radical before and after his time. He was banned after years after he died.

[Anonymous No.15591059]

>>15591019
>Left wing is when you fuck gay guys in the ass
Trully /lit/ is the vienna cafe culture of the 21 century

[Anonymous No.15591095]

>>15590932
Charlie Kirk is a well-documented Israeli lapdog, but here at least toilet paper USA seems to be avoiding hypocrisy and making a statement by sticking to their “principles.” This is a much more meaningful gesture than the companies jumping on the blm bandwagon while having little negro children mine their cobalt.

[Anonymous No.15591099]

>>15591059
It's not lw either moron that's my point

[Anonymous No.15591102]

>>15590996
> Plato, Aristotle, Aquinas
>right wing
>rest of right wingers are literally who's

yikes

[Anonymous No.15591148]

>>15589374
This board

[Anonymous No.15591160]

>>15591019
No they dont

[Anonymous No.15591166]

>>15591160
At different times they did. Even when plato demeaned it later in laws he still wasn't against homosexuality

[Anonymous No.15591167]

>>15591027
>applying the word radical to 1000 years ago
>anything banned is immediately left wing
Lol

[Anonymous No.15591189]

>>15591166
Plato did come down against homosexuality and pederasty. Socrates is known to have depreciated his sexual urges.
Also I can list Bacon, Kant, Emerson, and Wilde at the end of his life against it.

[Anonymous No.15591206]

>>15589635

My guess is that OP's political thoughts can be defined as a point.

[Anonymous No.15591207]

>>15590681
There is no need to be upset

[Anonymous No.15591212]

>>15591167
He was banned by his era's conservatives. My point was it's ridiculous to claim someone 1000 years ago would be on your political side. If you consider enlightenment to be lw then you would consider aquinas. He worked off aristotelian ethics of individualism>>15591167

[Anonymous No.15591227]

>>15591189

[Anonymous No.15591326]

>>15591227
It's known that Plato came to hold the opposite view

[Anonymous No.15591346]

>>15591212
>is era's conservatives.
Meaningless statement
>. My point was it's ridiculous to claim someone 1000 years ago
No, that wasn't your point. But even if it had been, I'll still claim someone against homsexuality, abortion, petty resentment, and the million other selfish imbecilities which really make up the thought of the modern left.

[Anonymous No.15591351]

>>15591326
Yes but on pedarasty but does that mean you hold early and middle dialogues by plato to be lw and later to be rw?

[Anonymous No.15591357]

>>15591351
>es but on pedarasty but does that mean you hold early and middle dialogues by plato to be lw and later to be rw?
His last work says homosexuality is to be on the level of incest legally.

[Anonymous No.15591364]

>>15591346
My point is if you use such a narrow definition of metaphysics you may end up promoting the same things you are self definitionally against. Being individualist in metaphysical terms can have a very contradictory derivative views downstream.

[Anonymous No.15591374]

>>15591357
Again in your political philosophy, do you burn the middle dialogues, to include republic?

[Anonymous No.15591382]

>>15591364
It doesn't matter, there's simply no way to construe these men as radicals when they in no way advocated massive governmental or economist reforms. Whatever he may have been relatively, his views would place him squarely within the right wing now.

[Anonymous No.15591408]

>>15591382
If you're a capitalist you're an individualist, if you define yourself as an individualist and rw then you're correct aquinas would be rw. You're using very derivative terms to define a worldview

[Anonymous No.15591410]

>>15591374
No, I take the standard view that Plato came from a social class in which homosexuality was popular, and later turned against it so hard that his last written work compares it to incest.

[Anonymous No.15591416]

>>15591408
I don't care, if you want to talk on that level that be practical enough to just throw away the left/right modern dichotomy all together, otherwise you aren't getting anywhere

[Anonymous No.15591421]

>>15591410
Wtf does that have to do w your politics?

[Anonymous No.15591428]

>>15591416
Read >>15591212
>>15591099

[Anonymous No.15591504]

The right wing, from conservatism to fascism, is dead. These riots killed it off.

[Anonymous No.15591518]

>>15591428
>Read
No

[Anonymous No.15591525]

>>15589752
>>15589971
Why do right-wingers try to incorporate science and logic into their racist theories? Science is soi when it comes to these topics and really isn't going to support your "blacks are an inferior species" rhetoric. It would be better if they just admitted that they hated blacks because of religious reasons or some other faith based system.

[Anonymous No.15591526]

>>15591504
Well almost everyone I know has been fairly vocal about their support for the protests (most of which are peaceful), and it seems like America overall is against racism.

[Anonymous No.15591571]

HAHAHHAHA Those dumb, uneducated right-wing racist rednecks, amirite?

[Anonymous No.15591582]

>>15591571
>HAHAHHAHA Those dumb, uneducated right-wing racist rednecks, amirite?
Yes.

[Anonymous No.15592200]

>>15591189
Wilde kept defending homosexuality before and after his time in prison. He only made two anti gay statements during his whole life, in prison while he was unfair and to a journalist about his wish for a conversion to catholicism but that was probably for an audience. Despite popular beliefs, I don't think he was actually left wing though. A man of his time in most aspects

[Anonymous No.15592312]

>>15591525
All available evidence suggests that the populations you're referring to as 'blacks' don't have the same cognitive potential on average as various Eurasian populations.

There is not a single example of a large population of SSA Africans functioning in the ways necessary to modern industrial society.

[Anonymous No.15592338]

>>15592312
Dude go outside buy a ticket to almost any major city there. No human can live w constant terror. They're all pretty peaceful. It's not as dystopic as you think it is and tbf they think Americans are in the middle of a racial civil war so

[Anonymous No.15592341]

>>15589414
Saying left and right doesn't exist is like saying money is just paper, you are correct, but normies, media, politicians all think it does exist and that's what makes it real.

[Anonymous No.15592385]

>>15590725
Liked

[Anonymous No.15592419]

>>15592338
Again, there is no example of a large population of SSA maintaining civilization to the standards associated with Europe, North America, or East Asia. They do not even have an example on par less developed countries.

All attempts to measure intelligence and behavior, whether in tests or in life outcomes, show a large gap between them and other populations, a gap which nobody has ever closed by attempting to control for variables.

It is really quite irrational to look at all this and think they are the same, but I understand it is a religious tenet for you that all humans are equal, and that you are very afraid of thinking otherwise because you know there are serious negative consequences for being racist.

[Anonymous No.15592427]

My problem with righToids is their lack of self-awareness. They seem to think they're very "smart".
>the arm-chair evolutionary biologist

[Anonymous No.15592446]

>>15592427
It's easy to cherry pick and caricature randoms online, who are mostly mediocre people with mediocre education.

But I've yet to find anything as cringeworthy as this, and anything that comes close is usually from "leftoids" too
https://old.reddit.com/r/antifastonetoss/

[Anonymous No.15592456]

>>15589374
No, lol. The so-called right-wing "intelligentsia" currently refers to Dave Rubin, Ben Shaprio, and that guy who wrote the Dilbert comics. How anyone takes these people seriously I'll never know.

[Anonymous No.15592481]

>>15592427
>feminist cites research papers that show the wage gap in society between men and women
>yes, true, but this gap is actually due to non-discriminatory factors that aren't accounted for in your study.

>same rightoid cites research papers that show IQ differences among ethnicities
>yes, true, but this difference is actually due to non-discriminatory factors that aren't accounted for in your study.
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

It's not about being reasonable. It's about if it fits the narrative or not.

[Anonymous No.15592508]

>>15592481
This is why I - and all sensible people - are centrists.

[Anonymous No.15592544]

>>15589971
BASED

[Anonymous No.15592561]

>>15592508
BASED

[Anonymous No.15592591]

>>15592419
It's not that they're equal it's that it's useless to zoom in so far and say they're different on this scale. Also it doesn't account for the fact that the increasing population has their bell curve of intelligence getting really wide so that there are many very intelligent africans coming out and there will be more. By your zoomed in definition of culture you would deny smart Africans exist, are continuing to grow and develop their nations. Your biological determinism is missing out in that they are biologically human in that their cultures are growing and can potentially outgrow the west soon enough. They're certainly not incapable of it

[Anonymous No.15592621]

>>15592591
>you would deny smart Africans exist,
No, and saying things like this betrays that you haven't even read any of the literature you consider racist. There are obviously smart Africans, there are even some ethnicities with relatively high average IQ, though nowhere near the highest human populations.

[Anonymous No.15592635]

>>15592621
You argued they aren't the same and used high civilization as an example of it. I explained how biologically as a human they can achieve and further high civilization. Where am I mistaken?

[Anonymous No.15592679]

>>15592635
>biologically as a human
This doesn't mean anything, there is not a single human type, there is a gene pool, with variance within and between populations. The average IQ of a population correlates quite strongly with things like gdp per capita and homicide rates, when you factor in the obvious external factors like natural resources or regime instability.

[Anonymous No.15592706]

>>15592679
If your argument is they are different because they don't have a high enough culture then give it a couple decades and they will lead the charge

[Anonymous No.15592739]

>>15592706
It is not very likely that that is true, it would have happened in various post-colonial states like Botswana or Zimbabwe before now. And it's not about culture mostly, it's about genes. There is obviously a lot of room for improvement in Africa, many environmental factors that are causing problems, but a substantial portion of these environmental factors are in a feeback loop with the behavior that stems from genetics.

[Anonymous No.15592768]

>>15592739
Yes well as their population gets wider and their intelligentsia grows there will eventually be a genetic culling when the population drops in that the more abled or higher earninged of the ppl reproduce. It's a natural human phenomenon

[Anonymous No.15592781]

Left wing: every reputable social sciences expert
Right wing: Jordan Peterson

[Anonymous No.15592790]

>>15589374
/lit/ right now comes pretty close

[Anonymous No.15592809]

>>15592790

[Anonymous No.15592814]

If the intelligentsia is almost entirely left-wing, how come we still live in right-wing dystopias?

[Anonymous No.15592825]

>>15592814
None of those morons are intelligentsia. Intelligentsia is capitally determined

[Anonymous No.15592831]

>>15589971
>leftists don't care about science
>yes I believe white and black people are different species why do you ask?

[Anonymous No.15592844]

>>15589934
Radical midwit opinion

[Anonymous No.15592864]

>>15590996
>you are right wing if 2000 years ago you didn't like women or something

[Anonymous No.15592885]

>>15592446
So a subreddit dedicated entirely to hating one guy is cringeworthy. And

[Anonymous No.15593093]

Why are there leftists on this board who claim to be smart?

What does it mean to you when you call yourself "left"?

>>15592481
False equivalence. One explanation has proof and the other does not. On top of that there was a study done where black children raised in a "white" environment were still shown to have lower IQ's

[Anonymous No.15593106]

>>15593093
>One explanation has proof and the other does not. On top of that there was a study done where black children raised in a "white" environment were still shown to have lower IQ's

Link?

[Anonymous No.15593110]

>>15592781
>having a high degree of respect for social science
Is this satire?

[Anonymous No.15593139]

>>15592864
>authoritarian virtue promoting, ant homosexuality, male dominated, semi puritan government is somehow left wing
o my sides

[Anonymous No.15593151]

>>15591102
>leftoids admitting they don’t read
lel

[Anonymous No.15593197]

>>15593106
Google it you lazy, dumb fuck.
>took 2 seconds.

There are a series of studies that basically shows that adopted black kids (to white families) are smarter than non-adopted white kids but adopted white kids (to white families) were smarter still. Also that the race of the parent plays a significant role in the IQ of the kid.

[Anonymous No.15593213]

>>15593197
>there is a study somewhere that refutes your point.
Again, link it or fuck off.

[Anonymous No.15593228]

>>15589374
Not really.

[Anonymous No.15593246]

>>15593093
False equivalence, some kids having lower iq doesn't make them a different species

[Anonymous No.15593263]

>>15590733
So this is the power of schizophrenia.

[Anonymous No.15593287]

>>15593213
http://letmegooglethat.com/?q=%3EWhen+you+claim+to+be+intelligent+but+you%27re+too+lazy+to+learn

[Anonymous No.15593317]

>>15593287
I thought you had a source anon. Could it be you were making shit up?

[Anonymous No.15593411]

>>15593287
>>15593197
>>15593093
Holy shit BTFO. Literally fled

[Anonymous No.15593497]

>>15593263
It's called reading. It's kant's analytic statement

[Anonymous No.15593517]

>Carl Schmitt
>Oswald Spengler
>Martin Heidegger
>Robert Michels
>Nick Land
>Joseph De Maistre
>C.A. Bond
>Adam Katz
>Thomas Carlyle
>Aleksandr Dugin
>Curtis Yarvin
>GRECE
>Claremont
>Arktos
>George Grant
>hurr durr right-wingers aren't intelligent and there's no real intelligencia
Are you fucking retarded or something
Also JBP is not right wing in any meaningful sense - hes a Classical Liberal Jungian Utilitarian.

[Anonymous No.15593544]

>>15593517
You're taking the bait. All politics is derived from philosophy. You're arguing over minor differences and starting wars over them. There isn't any self righteous state wars declared over analytic vs synthetic divide much less the foundations of mathematics. You have your toy politics. Shut up about it

[Anonymous No.15593568]

>>15593544
>All politics is derived from philosophy
Don't disagree
>You have your toy politics.
Evidently you're not familiar with metapolitics - using philosophy/anthropology etc., to engage with the political at that level instead of the level of a sports fan supporting team x over team y.

[Anonymous No.15593587]

>>15593517
>Curtis Yarvin

[Anonymous No.15593593]

>>15590162
>anime poster
>rightoid
>admits to be retarded
>probably a tranny too
every time

[Anonymous No.15593603]

>>15591102
This

[Anonymous No.15593612]

>>15593139
Yes.

[Anonymous No.15593625]

>>15593587
read what he read and you'll realise he's not letting on a lot of what hes confronted
>De Jouvenel
>James Antony Froude
>Joseph De Maistre
and so on are way to much for him to synthesise with Mises
and so he leaves them out but points in a very good direction at the least
Go read C.A. Bond

[Anonymous No.15593634]

>>15593568
Meta politics isn't a thing it's just political philosophy

[Anonymous No.15593643]

>>15592831
they are the same species, but absolutely different subspecies. there are quite a lot of universally recognized subspecies out there that are far more genetically close than whites and blacks are.

[Anonymous No.15593647]

>>15593625
What the fuck are you gabbiling on about?

[Anonymous No.15593654]

>>15590274
1% is quite a lot and can affect many critical differences.

[Anonymous No.15593661]

>>15590681
holy seethe

[Anonymous No.15593667]

i honestly cannot comprehend how stupid you must be to not be a leftist or at least a liberal, like what even goes on in your head? crickets?

[Anonymous No.15593678]

>>15593643
What's your opinion on the differences between whites and hispanics/latinos

[Anonymous No.15593680]

>>15593647
Froude Society
Also C.A. Bond basically took everything from Moldbug that was worthwhile an integrated it into a much more robust project with the likes of MacIntyre's Aristotelian-Marxist Virtue Ethics and Generative Anthropology.
In a sense the right doesn't need Moldbug anymore.

[Anonymous No.15593702]

>>15593678
Not that guy but hispanics are not a race. The native american populations that make up the genetic input for Mestizos are also not all the same, Peruvians are different from Mexicans. Many hispanics also have African blood.

so youhave to specify who you're talking about

[Anonymous No.15593720]

>>15593667
Whatever their handlers want them to think.

[Anonymous No.15593721]

>>15593667
I produce adequate amounts of testosterone so I never felt the womanly sentimentality that leads a "man" to leftism

[Anonymous No.15593736]

>>15593721
>muh left is feelings, right is logics and facts
when will this meme end