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How do we restore meaning to the world frens?

>> No.15575199

>>15575190
By freeing me!

>> No.15575210

Reading the big book of reddit

>> No.15575222

You're just waiting for someone to come along and give you a prefabricated "meaning." If you want meaning that badly, take your pick, it exists everywhere and in many forms

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>>15575190
realise there is no meaning but then fabricate a meaning for yourself anyway.

>> No.15575274

>>15575190
by seething on 4chan

>> No.15575329

>>15575190
Ending capitalism

>> No.15575876

>>15575329
I hope you mean ending all economic systems save for local bartering markets

>> No.15575881

>>15575329
Suffering does tend to give meaning, I guess

>> No.15575926

>>15575190
By abolishing public education and in doing so- nation states.

>> No.15575966

>>15575190
Life has no intrinsic meaning. You have to make your own. Fuck, I was aware of this in fifth fucking grade OP

All religcuck tracts are based in supposition, questions of metaphysics are completely unprovable and untestable.

Anyone who tells you otherwise is simultaneously blowing smoke up both yours and their own ass and anyone who says otherwise is gleefully fucking ignorant.

>> No.15575969

>>15575881
Not usually. Most suffering is, in fact, pointless.

>> No.15576003

>>15575881
>Sharing is suffering
>Evening out classes is suffering
>Rationality is suffering
>Ending the suffering is suffering

>> No.15576032

>>15575966
metaphysical answers are not unprovable. However, they require a specific interpretation and understanding that is not subject to testability.
For example, the statement "That thou art", althought banal and even nonsensical, means a very particular "thing" to Christian mystics and early Buddhist.
For said mystics, that is the meaning to life. Hence, i dont think that people are ignorant by claiming that there is a purpose to life. They have a different perspective

>> No.15576043

>>15576003
you should watch inmendham's videos. Although he is an unlikeable person. He would agree with your statements

>> No.15576044

Anal sex

>> No.15576050

>>15576003
>>15575329
I think we can restore a little bit the meaning in this world if we kill butterdyke.

>> No.15576062

>>15575243
Based
give meaning to each action

>> No.15576068

>>15576003
>Sharing is suffering
There's a difference between sharing, a voluntary act, and theft.
>Evening out classes is suffering
There is no evening out in socialism or communism, only a consolidation of power and wealth into the hands of politicians and the military at the expense of the now evenly poor citizens
>Rationality is suffering
Rationality doesnxt agree with you
>Ending the suffering is suffering
There is no ending suffering outside of death, which is usually the result of gommunism, so I guess you're funnier than I thought

>> No.15576122

>>15576003
>Evening out classes is suffering
If you evening out the classes by making everyone poorer then yes. You are making everything even by ruining others people lives. Middle class will suffer a lot.
>Rationality is suffering
Rationality? Where is the rationality in anarchism? In anarchy how can we progress technologically? Or scientifically? Tell me how many anarchist societies have done this.
>Ending the suffering is suffering
Ending capitalism won't end suffering. Suffering precedes capitalism. Is something that will always exist. It doesn't matter if you abolish capitalism, suffering will always exist.

>> No.15576192

>>15576122
>Where is the rationality in anarchism?
http://www.lexido.com/EBOOK_TEXTS/THE_GAY_SCIENCE_FIRST_BOOK_.aspx?S=20
Rationality is for weaklings

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>>15576192
>Rationality is for weaklings

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I just want to give a shit about something.

>> No.15576237

>>15576068
>There's a difference between sharing, a voluntary act, and theft.
Which is why I oppose capitalism
> There is no evening out in...
Until we stop using an accumulative currency

>>15576122
Capitalism has used up quite a bit of the finite resources of the world, so we might see some poverty in some things, but not in most. The wealth has ALWAYS been enough to put us all in castles
> Where is the rationality in anarchism?
Read up on it. Technology? It’s out of the box and will continue to advance. Are you eager to see Über drivers out of work? killer drones? AI overlords? I wanna environmental and medical cures. Money motives be damned.
And I do mean ending the suffering that is caused by capitalism. We deserve it

>> No.15576239

>>15575329
LOL so predictable.
>stop reality
LOLIRL

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>>15576199

>> No.15576245 [DELETED] 

>>15576003
The knife inches closer to your throat, futterbly. Every day I am closer to finding you. Keep posting. It helps me.

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15576250

>>15576239
>CAPITALISM HAS ALWAYS EXISTED. IT IS IMMORTAL. ALL WILL BOW DOWN BEFORE THE MIGHTY GOD CAPITAL

>> No.15576258

>>15576245
Hahah. Knife yourself before I do

>> No.15576298

>>15576237
Capitalism is based on voluntary transactions and contracts, not theft.

>> No.15576323

>>15576237
>Read up on it. Technology? It’s out of the box and will continue to advance.
False, most technological advances hadn't been possible with a centralized institutions. Computers, electricity, medicine, cars etc have been done usually in centralized institutions/companies. In fact a lot of the technology we have today was actually because people want to make more money. Give me an example how technology can evolve without a centralized institution.
>Are you eager to see Über drivers out of work? killer drones? AI overlords? I wanna environmental and medical cures.
Do you realize that a lot of the technologies we have today are thanks to war. The first computers were used for military purposes, as well internet(ARPA net), nuclear technology was as well used for military purposes.
>And I do mean ending the suffering that is caused by capitalism. We deserve it
What abouy the consequences of living in anarchism I doubt suffering won't exist in this one. In fact, since there is no one controlling I think people will start resorting to crimes. You think humans won't do evil without capitalism? Delusional.

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>>15576298
A shared economy would be based on voluntary transactions and contracts. Capitalism is rooted in theft, subsists on on slavery and rewards conniving sociopaths in global kleptocracy

>> No.15576342

>>15576258
I doubt you eve been in a real fight. Do you even know how to kill someone? Do you practice any martial arts? You probably have live most of your life in a first world countries without to know what is real work.
>t. third worlder.

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>>15576240
Thanks for proving my point brainlet. Only niggers and retards don't follow rationality.

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>>15576298
A shared economy would be based on voluntary transactions and contracts.
Capitalism is rooted in theft, subsists on slavery and rewards conniving sociopaths in a global kleptocracy

>>15576323
You’re an irrational market fundie

>> No.15576374

>>15576359
>You’re an irrational market fundie
Not an argument. Refute my statement dumb whore.

>> No.15576381

>>15576358
>anime
>not a retard
Thanks for the keks

>> No.15576394

>>15576381
Do you realize that I was trying to depict you with that picture?

>> No.15576400

>>15576258
Butterfly, I will protect you, Christ as my witness.

>> No.15576408

>>15576400
>Christ as my witness
Do you realize this whore hates religion?

>> No.15576425

>>15576394
No, have fun with your waifu fren

>> No.15576849

>>15576359
>A shared economy would be based on voluntary transactions and contracts.
The government telling you that you must share lest ye face the firing line is far from voluntary

>> No.15576867

>>15575190
just love God and remember that you can be better you silly duck

>> No.15576875

>>15575190
the world itself is meaning

>> No.15577065
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15577065

>>15576849
>anarchism is totalitarianism
Look for that book Getting Free by James Herod. 170 pages. Get with the program.

>>15576875
This.

>> No.15577090

>>15577065
Refute my argument retarded whore.

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>>15577090

>> No.15577164

>>15577115
This is not an argument retarded. I could post a picture of a book and called a day, but I don't because is not an argument. Elaborate, do you know how to debate? How this book relates to my original premise? You didn't refute anything>>15576323
Stop posting pictures of disgusting whores and elaborate.

>> No.15577169

>>15575190
There isn't one. 50/50 god exists, why put in the effort of figuring it out anyway? Just do whatever you want I guess.

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>>15577164
>This is not an argument retarded
Correct! ‘Tis an argument supreme!

Ah, but you have not read it?

>> No.15577392

>>15577309
>Correct! ‘Tis an argument supreme! Ah, but you have not read
Again retard. Do you know how to debate? Your argument isn't supreme. Is basically non-existant. If you like to brag that you know really well stirner then explain how that relates to my argument. I have not read it yet, does that make my argument less valid? My god, you are an expert in fallacies. Also, stop posting whores. That is cringe specially considering that you are a 46 year old.

>> No.15577415

>>15575243
Nah finding your own meaning doesn't work. a community-focused source of meaning is best as we are communal animals

>> No.15577611

>>15575190
ITT: Butterfly hijack.

Having faith in the transcendent and to constantly seek truth, however subjective or objective it may be.

>> No.15577622

>>15575190
I've been kicking some thoughts around about this obsession with meaninglessness becoming it's very own positive belief (in a bad way) much like atheism is itself ideological in a way (as opposed to simply lack of faith)
Knausgaard was unbearable for me in this way. I think it's some zizek or zizek adjacent thinker who I'm getting this from, but I actually think the reality of the situation is a an overabundance of meaning that is unintelligible and thus mislabeled as meaninglessness.

>> No.15577627

>>15575329
Kill yourself.

>> No.15577628

>>15577622
>in this way
bad tic in your writing anon

>> No.15577636

>>15575190
Take testosterone therapy; your constant boners and prowling for women will give you meaning. Reading books or browsing 4chan is a symptom of testosterone deficiency.

>> No.15577719

>>15577611
>constantly seek truth
No no. We did this already and you guys hated it. The truth is there is no transcendent.

>>15577627
Fuck you liberal

>> No.15577739

>>15577719
Thanks for proving me that you don't know how to debate. You didn't refute anything on my post. Retarded. No wonder nobody likes you.

>> No.15577747

>>15577719
I don’t think you’re unintelligent. You just have bad luck when it comes to thinking.

>> No.15577791

>>15577739
I have debated market fundies and christian fundies and they’re not honest debaters. They will not concede a point, not even a “oh well we’ll have to agree to disagree”. And frankly, I was too busy.
Now tell me, honestly. Are you curious to know what motivates an anarchist world to advance the already advancing technologies? Are you ever going to grow up out of this war loving boyhood?
Have you ever honestly thought of an alternative world based on peace?
Do you take me for a fool who believes in “an end of history” scenario?

>> No.15577813

>>15575190
By not breeding

>> No.15577830

>>15577791
>world based on peace
The problem with a world based on peace is not the concept of a world based on peace but the fact that people are short-sighted and hugely predisposed to idolatry. I'd love a world in which there was no war. But I don't want a world where there's no war because we've just decided to stop waging them for funsies or because we're scared of war. I want a world where there's no war because we can't justify it. I want a world where people WANT to go to war and can't find a reason to because there isn't one, and have to put their energy into other pursuits. If you just decide unilaterally to stop making war, you aren't ending the existence of war, you are perpetuating it in a form that just happens not to include you. This is not an improvement, it's just a new match with new players in the same game.

>> No.15577857

>>15575190
My brothers from another mother Carl Jung.and Joseph Campbell

>> No.15577869

>>15575190
It’s simple, we just kill the tranny trip fag.

>> No.15577893

>>15577830
>predisposed to idolatry
And your idol is the state and money.
Let us steer the world towards a peace. Where a man can get into a fistfight to settle his differences, and not run a mine field to try and slaughter some strangers

>> No.15577908

>>15577791
>I have debated market fundies and christian fundies and they’re not honest debaters.
Why do you assume I am a market fundie? Even if that was the case that is not an argument. That is fallacy of biased generalizing. You are completly generalizing a group based on your personal experiences.
>Now tell me, honestly. Are you curious to know what motivates an anarchist world to advance the already advancing technologies?
I am care about improving technologies for the sake of knowledge and humanity.
>Are you ever going to grow up out of this war loving boyhood?
False assumption. When did I say that I like war. Just because I say is a fact that a lot of technology we got today comes from war doesn't mean that I like war. Strawman
>Have you ever honestly thought of an alternative world based on peace?
Is not possible. Nature itself isn't peaceful. We can reach to a point where there would no more big conflicts. However, hate will always exist. There will be people who will like to fight. You cannot change them. Even murder will continue existing because non-material reason:envy,hate,love,etc.
>Do you take me for a fool who believes in “an end of history” scenario?
What do you mean with this? All societies collapse and ours is not an exception.

>> No.15577930

>>15577893
>Your idol is the state and money
I'm not the anon from before that so I can't speak to him, but I'm definitely not a statist and I don't care much about money.
I like the rest of that though. I just don't think of it as peaceful so much as honorable.

>> No.15577936

>>15577791
>alternative world based on peace?
This is just getting sad, in order to do this you must take lives away to prevent anything that you considering wrong think because you assume you’ve figured it all out and you are pure objective morality. What gives you, a mere nobody failure, the right to set such stupid nonsense and to set the rules? Christ, you’d need twice the brains to qualify as a half-wit.

>> No.15578018

>>15577930
People try to appeal to human nature all the time, as if I hadn’t figured on it, and I have to remind them of what beasts this system of savage competition has done to our minds. The linchpins are of the system must be abandoned so we can try to fix our environment. Regional fighting and personal tiffs are perfectly acceptable, and they happen now anyway!

>>15577908
>I care about improving technologies for the sake of knowledge and humanity.
As many humans do, and many humans will continue to do in the event of a socialized world. The motives will be there without the profit motive.
>Is not possible
Change is not possible? Change is the only constant in the universe. It not only possible it is imperative.
>What do you mean by “end of history”
As in reaching utopia like an eternal heaven

>>15577936
You have no idea of my meaning

>> No.15578089

>>15578018
>As many humans do, and many humans will continue to do in the event of a socialized world. The motives will be there without the profit motive
Where your evidence? One of the reasons humans develop new technologies is due to competition. You think people would care about exploring space without political or economic factors? Most of the stuff in space exploration is due to competition, not for the sake of knowledge. Even though I like humanity and knowledge you cannot oppose reality. Not many people care about knowledge, just take a look in the current society. Nerds are frown upon.
>Change is not possible? Change is the only constant in the universe. It not only possible it is imperative.
You cannot change everything. Even though the universe is constantly changing that does not mean your society would work. Unless you modify the nature of humans through genetic engineering you are not going to make anything. Hate, envy, anger, sadness, etc are natural humans emotions. It is something inside our genes. You think killing isn't inside our genes? There is tons of evidence that prove we humans have genetic predisposition to kill. Millons of years of evolution won't go away.

>> No.15578140

>>15578089
>Where’s ypur evidence?
Where’s yours? To any of this.
>You cannot change everything
So we must stagnate, to comfort you and your kind, because we cannot change anything.
You are just close minded. Work on that.

> How do we restore meaning to the world frens?
CHANGE

>> No.15578200

>>15578140
>Where’s yours? To any of this.
I got several proofs that competition and technology are related. Computers, electricity, cars and the space career were all started thanks to a sort of competition. A lot of the technology we got today was originated thanks to competition. It is sad to know that a lot of the human advance is nothing more than an attempt to destroy the others, but that is the reality.
>So we must stagnate, to comfort you and your kind, because we cannot change anything. You are just close minded. Work on that.
Good strawman. I never say we should stop. All I say that you cannot change everything. You cannot make 2+2=3 that is impossible. Is an impartial truth. The only way we can change the nature of human is through genetic engineering. You think millons of years of evolution will go away quickly? Also, you ironically seem the close minded. Have you even questioned your ideology? You seem to react violently to any idea that oppose yours, I seen that while you discussed with other anons.

>> No.15578228

>>15575190
How can you restore something that was never there?

>> No.15578283

Why do you idiots even bother replying to the tripfag? Stop feeding attention to the insufferable creature.

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>>15575329
>ending capitalism

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>>15575190
Not committing suicide at 45 is one good start.

>>15575243
>>15577415
Greta does both.

>> No.15579508

>>15579497
>Greta does both.
i will add the caveat of "try not to be an insufferable cunt while doing it."

>> No.15579515

lmao it's hilarious that no one has yet banned this fucking tripfag tranny, he always ends up derailing every thread he posts in

>> No.15579602

>>15579508
>i will add the caveat of "try not to be an insufferable cunt while doing it."
Because she's not fagging around with the social norms and is, in a way, hyper-masculine?

>> No.15579689

>>15575190
https://discord.gg/mVNUytg

>> No.15579702

>>15577415
pussy

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>>15575190
You get a meaningful life when everything you do matters. Getting swole and ripped, becoming chad and adopting an heroic lifestyle, being a blueprint for the masculine archetype is a good start.

In a world run by women and shitskins becoming a man is the most important and meaningdul thing you can do.

>> No.15580303

>>15580266
Weak answer.
>Getting swole and ripped, becoming chad and adopting an heroic lifestyle, being a blueprint for the masculine archetype is a good start.
Why is this meaningful? It's pure vanity

>> No.15580314

>>15575190
By bringing back what was removed from the world: God

>> No.15580343

>>15576239
(Un)healthy dose of capitalist realism in this one.

>> No.15580600

>>15575190
Sticking a sword into our guts seems like a bad solution.