At Barnes and Nobles rn

[Anonymous No.15574061]

Is pic related a good version?

[Anonymous No.15574069]

Arberry is the best version for the style and rhythm of the Arabic, Sahih International is the best version as simple and lucid with succinct footnotes

[Anonymous No.15574088]

No you need english standard version bible

[Anonymous No.15574113]

>>15574069
Pic related, Sahih

[Anonymous No.15574132]

This one comes with side by side

[Anonymous No.15574139]

>>15574061
From memory that is an Ahmadiyya translation, and so changes the translations in certain areas, especially around passages about miracles (Ahmadiyya do not believe in them).

[Anonymous No.15574140]

>>15574113
Arberry's. A professor of Arabic literature, as he explains in the introduction he sought to capture the Arabic's cadence, alliteration and syllables (no one else does this) while being faithful to the text. He couldn't really manage the rhymes like he said but does a good job, or as good as can be done in English.

[Anonymous No.15574151]

>>15574132
well its not wrong. but King James Version better

[Anonymous No.15574222]

>>15574151
How so? Sorry I’m just trying to get the best translated version possible.

[Anonymous No.15574253]

>>15574140
I love this psyop about people (especially those in America, for some reason) pretending as if the Quran is anything close to impressive as far as literary quality goes. This mind-numbingly repetitive and banal bunch of nothing couldn't hold a candle to a single Psalm or even many buddhist/hindu texts.

[Anonymous No.15574262]

It's Ahmadiyya so like getting a JW translation of the Bible except worse. Ahmadiyya are a sect considered infidels by, well, everyone, they can't join the army in Pakistan or enter Mecca. They were founded by a collaborator with the British who called himself the Messiah and tried to modernize Islam and make it pc in the extreme to seem rational and progressive, also submissive to Queen Victoria whom he called a true Muslim

[Anonymous No.15574267]

>>15574262
This

[Anonymous No.15574269]

>>15574253
Arberry considers it the greatest literary work ever written. I actually am learning Arabic and what I can read I find very impressive

[kidflash. No.15574288]

>>15574151
every time it says ye it reminds me theres a better producer out there

[Anonymous No.15574307]

>>15574253
Cope

[Anonymous No.15574308]

>>15574269
Yes, Arberry sure sounds like an unbiased person in this matter.

It's just so boring, you know? I'm not even a christtard before you pull that card, it's just that I'm tired of this psyop and the dozen others whitewashing and undeservedly glorifying this down-syndrome afflicted cousin of the abrahamic religions.

[Anonymous No.15574392]

>>15574308
How is he biased?

[Anonymous No.15574781]

>>15574061
Just copy and paste "Chungo Bungo Bungo" over and over until it reached 400 pages, then print it out, then read it.

[Anonymous No.15574788]

Is it worth reading the Quran? Not Muslim, and not going to convert.

[Anonymous No.15574857]

>>15574788
i have a copy in my room, it has certain chapters that appeal to yahweh faith but overall i think the flaw is in the singing of qur'an changes message of original text. some chapters are ok metaphors

[Anonymous No.15575292]

>>15574788
It’s worth for colloquial understanding, but only if you get a good old edition and know Arabic, or a good translation (the one on OP is ok but there’s better more accurate ones)

[Anonymous No.15575306]

>>15575292
How's the translation by Yusuf Ali?

[Anonymous No.15575468]

>>15575306
Yusuf missesTafsir and commentary of Islamic scholars to really understand the meaning of the text and the context of what is being discussed. A good start if you wanna get a base of understanding but not really good for scholar use-

[Anonymous No.15575554]

>>15575306
Above par but not great

[Anonymous No.15575796]

>>15574308
The text shows it can achieve great poetry and yet some of the more ordinary verses are repeated extensively, which means one primary intention was to keep it in peoples memory

[Anonymous No.15575820]

>>15575796
Repeating things in multiple ways and contexts also eliminates ambiguity, making the Qur'an far less equivocal than the Bible

[Anonymous No.15575822]

>>15574253
t. Read passages in translation and thinks he knows it all

[Anonymous No.15575823]

Listen to the recitation for comparison

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=R1JEthK29MU

[Anonymous No.15575861]

>>15575820
It also prevents corruption of the text, as everything is interlinked. Which is enabled by having intertextual references between chapters and verses.
legacy.quran.com

>>15575822
Poetic verses
"God is the Light of the heavens and the earth. The example of His light is like a niche with in which is a lamp,
The lamp is within glass, the glass as if it were a pearly star,
Lit from a blessed olive tree,
Neither of the east nor of the west,
Whose oil would almost glow even if untouched by fire.
Light upon light.
God guides to His light whom He wills.
And God presents examples for the people,
and God is Knowing of all things."

"God There is no deity but Him, the alive, the eternal. Neither slumber nor sleep overtaketh Him. Unto Him belongeth whatsoever is in the heavens and whatsoever is in the earth.
Who could intercede in His presence without His permission?
He knoweth that which is in front of them and that which is behind them,
while they encompass nothing of His knowledge except what He wills.
His throne includeth the heavens and the earth,
and He is never weary of preserving them.
He is the sublime, the tremendous."

[Anonymous No.15575890]

>>15575554
How about Pickthal?

[Anonymous No.15575908]

>>15575890
Great reading, very different in style and rhythm from the Arabic and a bit sugarcoated sometimes

[Anonymous No.15576144]

>>15575796
yes i understand. but there are many great poets how are worthy of praise.the message is clear the vernacular is in babel;;

[Anonymous No.15577667]

https://www.easyquranstore.com/tajweed-quran-with-meanings-translation-and-transliteration-english-version.html
is this one good?

[Anonymous No.15577942]

>>15577667
Get the Saheeh International. Best version objectively.

[Anonymous No.15577952]

>>15575908
Rhythm is lost in all translations. No exception. >>15575890
Pickthal's is great. Would recc

[Anonymous No.15577957]

blessed thread with the exception of a seethe

[Anonymous No.15578001]

>>15577952
Loocking into Picktall as well. what makes it so great, mostly comapred to Saheeh or Arberry.

[Anonymous No.15578012]

>>15577957
It's 4chan, can't have a thread without one or two chimpouts. But yeah, agree, /fit/ and /lit/ seem to me the only two boards where you can discuss thing like this and get blessed breads, friend (:

[Anonymous No.15578046]

>>15578001
From my cursory glance through it, it sounds vaguely KJV-esque. It's intentionally antiquated language with thee and thou, it's pretty and it helps it sound religious given the cultural impact of the KJV
>>15578012
/his/ is good too, on occasion. It ranges from the worst shitposting to literal savants, shit's weird

[Anonymous No.15578061]

>>15578046
Agreed. there like, 5 good boards and 27 containment ones.

[Anonymous No.15578181]

>>15577952
Rhythm is lost but there is a difference between approximated scheme and total disproportion to the point that emphasis is greatly distorted

[Anonymous No.15578207]

>>15578046
Yeah the Thees and Thous and Ye was actually antiquated in the time of the KJV but they used it to differentate between singular and plural "You"s

[Anonymous No.15578322]

I'm looking for an interpretation that uses the word 'God' and not 'Allah.' I have one that does this but it is falling apart.

[Anonymous No.15578445]

>>15578322
Interesting, may I ask why? Also I know first edition Arberry uses God.

[Anonymous No.15579020]

>>15575823
That's beautiful but I'm a brainlet so I don't know arabic.

[Anonymous No.15579043]

>>15574269
I learnt arabic for 5 years and it doesn't change the meaning. The meaning is the same. The whole argument that it's better in Arabic doesn't hold water. It sounds better but the content is the same boring trash.

[Anonymous No.15579671]

>>15579043
I don't see how the psalm-like Surahs,the narratives or even the laws are boring.

[Anonymous No.15579782]

>>15578001
>what makes it so great,
Its the only translation of the Quran written by a Freemason and the earliest translation into modern english by a non hostile source.

[Anonymous No.15579798]

>>15574253
>mind-numbingly repetitive
Like Psalm 136?

[Anonymous No.15579815]

>>15574069
>>15577942
>>15574061

>Sahih International
OP be wary about this edition as its translation has been modified to be more appealing to modern people at the expense of accuracy.

A good example of this is where it reinterpreted word to give the impression that it foresaw that discovery that the universe was expanding.

This is an interpretation that is only present in modern English translations and not in earlier ones.

[Anonymous No.15579845]

>>15579815
>Another contention was it used the form "expander" for Allah with the universe instead of the form of other translations using "vastness". This is in fact more literal, the older translations, prior to the big bang being widely accepted, used vastness and so forth because that was what it seemed to mean as an expanding universe was taken as a way of saying expanse.

In other words, you have it backwards: older translations chose expanse to make the Qur'an sound more scientific because they didn't know the universe was expanding then. The Sahih International rendering is in fact the most literal here

[Anonymous No.15579863]

>>15579671
There are no Psalm like surahs? The whole thing is just Mohammad telling stories he heard from Jews and Christians but retooling them so that the prophets taught Islam and those who didn't accept Islam were punished by God. It's not deep at all. It's just hey see these people who disobeyed Allah, they got destroyed and so will you if you don't obey mohammed

[Anonymous No.15579875]

>>15579863
You don't know what you are talking about, all the short Surahs are like Psalms and used as prayers in the five daily prayers, you pair one with the first surah. Try reading from the back.

[Anonymous No.15579910]

>>15579845
>In other words, you have it backwards....The Sahih International rendering is in fact the most literal here.
Thats the issue though its not more literal. Its just flat out different and inconsistent which is why you dont find it in many other Qurans.

[Anonymous No.15579914]

>>15579910
That's not true, it is factually more literal in this instance, you don't know what you're talking about

[Anonymous No.15580024]

>>15579914
>That's not true, it is factually more literal in this instance
My apologies there I mixed up the Shaih International translation The Quran with The Message of The Qur'an translation

[Anonymous No.15580036]

>>15580024
And just to add to that International Translation does not make the mistake of saying that the Universe is expanding and is in line with the traditional interpretations.

[Anonymous No.15580043]

>>15580024
Your error is the same, the Qur'an does in Arabic indicate the universe is expanding. Older translations stuck with this as referring to a vastness or expanse because they were rationalizing it. You fell into the trap that fundamentalists (Atharis) are "modernist" when this is a state department (in bed with Sufis since 9/11) pay op, the word "Athari" literally means "traditionalist" and so in fact contemporary Athari translations are actually revised from older English to be extremely literal, which is said to be untraditional by the state department

[Anonymous No.15580065]

>>15579863
Except the Stories in the Quran are the originals and conform to modern scholarship on the Biblical composition. A lot of people try to pick parallels between Quranic content and then rabbinical or then contemporary sources but tbe parallels are indeed much older and ancient to material of Biblical times.

[Anonymous No.15580081]

>>15579914
My apologies I mixed that translation up with The Message translation. Id still affirm that it a mistake to translate that verse as a description of a continuously expanding universe.

[Goy No.15580100]

>>15580081
"Have not those who disbelieved known that the heavens and the earth were of one piece, then We parted them, and we made every living thing of water? Will they not then believe?" 21:30

[Anonymous No.15580111]

>>15580043
>You fell into the trap that....
Im not familiar with things like the Atharis and schools of jurisprudence, it was just seeing a marked difference that this verse took in some of the modern Quran translations.

The Muslims who were using this translation in their discussion with me are from the ahmadi school if that means anything.

[Anonymous No.15580234]

>>15574788

It’s not worth it if you want to “read it as literature”. The experience of reading it with faith or at least an open heart is drastically different from being closed to the message. People complain “it’s repetitive, it’s not as pretty as the NT” but trust me those qualities that seem dry in a secular read make A LOT more sense when you have faith. And don’t even get me started on how beautiful it is in Arabic. The Qur’an is genuinely the most beautiful thing to even be recorded on a page but again, only a believer or someone open to belief will understand that. Also, the book is heavy on praxis, as in, it strongly commands you to actually put the message to work in real life. If you’re looking for cool mystical phrases to contemplate which ultimately do nothing to change your character, this isn’t for you. I mean, some are there, but again, the message is best understood when you put it into practice,THEN you start to understand just how True the Qur’an really is. It very literally explains the everything mankind needs to know about how the universe works and what he needs to do to be successful in it.

[Anonymous No.15580242]

>>15580111
Athari is not a school of jurisprudence, it's aqidah. Most Ahmadis as you call them are Athari but an adherent of any school can be

[Anonymous No.15580245]

>>15580242
Ahmadi meaning, I take it, Hanbali. Ahmadiyya aren't Muslims, that's something different

[Anonymous No.15580263]

>>15580245
> Ahmadiyya aren't Muslims, that's something different
In a meme sense or an actual sense?

[Anonymous No.15580267]

>>15579875
Those aren't like Psalms
>>15580065
They arent. They are folk tales which aren't even from the scriptures like the sleepers of the cave folk tale.

[Anonymous No.15580296]

>>15580263
I mean Sunnis and Shi'ites both consider them infidels and they are banned from Mecca

[Anonymous No.15580309]

>>15580296
>>15574262

[Anonymous No.15580315]

>>15580267
The cave sleepers were Christians persecuted by Rome

[Anonymous No.15580317]

>>15580263
I think Ahmadiyya are like the Mormons of Islam

[Anonymous No.15580348]

>>15580315
That isn't a story from the bible. It's a Christian folk tale.

[Anonymous No.15580350]

>>15580317
That would be Twelvers. Ahmadies are the Moonies of Islam

[Anonymous No.15580400]

>>15580350
nope, twelvers are more like catholics while sunni are orthodox. ahmadiyyah are mormons

[Anonymous No.15580405]

>>15580350
I thought Twelvers were just the normal Shia denomination.
>The population is almost entirely contained in the single, highly organized and united movement. owever, in the early history of the Community, a number of Ahmadis broke away over the nature of Ahmad's prophetic status and succession and formed the Lahore Ahmadiyya Movement for the Propagation of Islam, which today represents a small fraction of all Ahmadis. Some Ahmadiyya-specific beliefs have been thought of as opposed to current conceptions of Islamic orthodoxy since the movement's birth, and some Ahmadis have subsequently faced persecution.
Sounds like Mormons to me

[Anonymous No.15580407]

>>15580400
You have no clue what you are talking about lol. Twelvers are completely, completely different from Sunnis in theology and jurisprudence and have a radically Mel Gibson movie version of early Muslim history. They believe the universe is ruled by Twelve omnipotent imams whom they pray to

[Anonymous No.15580415]

>>15580405
Yes every Shia sect but Zaydi has very Mormonish beliefs except even more extreme

[Anonymous No.15580416]

>>15580407
>They believe the universe is ruled by Twelve omnipotent imams whom they pray to
This sounds like "Catholics pray to saints/Mary". Aren't they just respectful of and willing to prioritize the teachings of those imams over other figures?

[Anonymous No.15580421]

>>15580416
Or, rather, the idea that Catholics worship the saints and Mary. They DO pray to them.

[Anonymous No.15580425]

>>15580421
thats what i'm saying. Catholics pray to saints etc so do shias.

[Anonymous No.15580447]

>>15580416
No they literally believe the imams are omnipotent and omniscient, not like saints at all

[Anonymous No.15580484]

>>15580447
https://twitter.com/bu_noor89/status/1217002752368398337?s=19

https://twitter.com/bu_noor89/status/1216994099418583040?s=19

[Anonymous No.15580538]

>>15580348

There are many stories in the Qur’an that either mirror or resemble Christian and Jewish tales. And the flood mirrors Gilgamesh and Christ resembles Osiris. I don’t think it matters which archetypes are used to make the point so long as the point is made and the message is received. The beauty and power of the Qur’an for a believer is more than enough evidence of authenticity, so it follows that, as the Torah’s stories aren’t entirely of archetypal exclusivity to itself, neither are the Qur’an’s, whose stories are to my knowledge never claimed to be original.

[Anonymous No.15580591]

>>15580538
Cope

Surah Al kahf was literally only revealed because Jews and Christians told Muhammad he wasn't a real prophet unless he knew about the sleepers of the cave tale. So he went away for a few days and came back with that shitty retelling of it.

The sleepers of the cave myth is not from any scripture, it's a Christian legend. Modern Christians don't even believe in it now but Muslims have made it obligatory on themselves to always believe in it because it's in the Quran.

[Anonymous No.15580599]

>>15579863

>if you don’t obey Muhammad saw
>Islam defined as submission to God and only God
>the entire book telling people to submit to God and only God as Muslims
>several emphases that the believers of this religion have their own things to adhere to and shouldn’t be concerned with what others are doing

It’s made very clear that the Qur’an asks its readers to submit to God and foremost. Obeying the Prophet saw is for those who subscribe to Islam proper, and if you were to do so, it’d become abundantly clear as to why listening to the a Prophet saw is to your benefit. There genuinely isn’t an argument you can make AGAINST the Qur’an’s message. “be patience, pray a lot, be charitable, be kind, don’t indulgence in life”. I’ll never understand what issue people take with this when these are the same virtues found in what, hundreds of religions? The difference is we make them related to God alone. Yet this bothers people for some reason.

[Anonymous No.15580604]

>>15580317
>>15580296
Oh, take what I say with a grain of salt then because it is tied to discussions with this group

[Anonymous No.15580605]

>>15580591
Traditionalist Christians did and I do

[Anonymous No.15580647]

>>15580591

You’re not getting my point. I’ve already experience the fruits of Islam and worshipping God alone, I speak from experience, not ideology. What I’m saying is that the Qur’an works, incredibly well, if you let it. If you let the message of the Qur’an reach you and start to refine your character according to its prescription you’ll understand why I say “it doesn’t matter where the stories come from as long as the point is made”. The issue with anons is you argue against Islam using philosophical style arguments, as if there’s something to prove or disprove in conversation. But the benefit of worshiping God is something you experience in the real world, something you feel and understand deeper than any concept. If I could give you the feeling I have in prayer or even just reading it you would understand so profoundly you’d get why I and many others feel this way. To me, ideas and beliefs are as valuable as they work to improve your life. Islam has only brought me happiness and success in life, and there are thousands if not millions of opposers who want to discredit it. But your foremost concern should be “am I happy with my own life?”. God isn’t something one argues about, It is an experience of the heart.

[Anonymous No.15580685]

>>15580647

Cont. for readers who may be interested.


I’d like to add that part of understanding the authenticity of the Qur’an involves having a heightened spiritual sensibility and openness to the Most High. This is important because it allows you to see fluidity across many religious texts in regards to approaching that point. When I read the Bible or even the Tao Te Ching my heart understands the authenticity, as well as the Upanishads, but with the Qur’an there is the greatest resonance and feeling of power for me. Maybe someone else feels differently, but the point is that once you learn how to sense the divine in a text, it’s very easy to tell what’s real and what isn’t. Divine energy is an objective phenomenon imo, but I haven’t talked with many people on this matter and would be interested in thoughts of believers who’ve had similar experiences.

Also, for Muslims, this isn’t to say I believe in anything another text says per se, but that I do thing others are clearly divine inspired regardless of if their conclusions are as true as ours. I do things there is a hierarchy of metaphysical truth, with monotheism being the highest.

[Anonymous No.15580719]

>>15580647
>I’ve already experience the fruits of Islam and worshipping God alone, I speak from experience, not ideology.
You should read about prelest.
>What I’m saying is that the Qur’an works, incredibly well, if you let it.
What does 'works' mean?
>“it doesn’t matter where the stories come from as long as the point is made”
It does matter because muhammad believed these stories were from the bible, yet was proved himself to not know what he's talking about.
>If I could give you the feeling I have in prayer or even just reading it you would understand so profoundly you’d get why I and many others feel this way.
Feelings aren't real. People can get feelings from following any system if they have convinced themselves its really real. But they are just delusions. Feelings don't lead to truth.
>Islam has only brought me happiness and success in life
I don't believe you. Perhaps you are still in the honeymoon phase of your religious conversion experience. It will fade.

[Anonymous No.15580759]

>>15580719

It’s been two years anon, almost three proper. Islam is not an easy thing to put into practice. I love it, but trust me the honeymoon phase definitely came and went about six months in. When you start having to self discipline and change your lifestyle drastically, all the enchantment wears off but the fruits of the religion enlarge. Anyway, if you don’t want to believe me it’s fine, but at least leave with this, consider how content your goals, lifestyle, and beliefs are helping you to be. You can call me a fool of course, but I’m happy with where I’m at, though its no walk in the park. Think about where you’re headed, you know?

[Anonymous No.15580774]

>>15580719
>You should read about prelest
You should read about shirk and taghut

[Anonymous No.15580803]

>>15580719

Actually your question about “what does works mean” is worth answering. Oh and I suppose I can answer the thing about feeling too.

By “works” I mean is that you start to experience what the book tells you about: nearness to God, happiness in submitting to Him, insights on the nature of the universe. But “feeling” is just a colloquialism I use, I can best describe it as a state of being. When you don’t have faith, or even a spiritual tendency, your mind literally operates differently. Your consciousness, your experience of life, on a phenomenological level is very different. With faith this all changes, it’s not a “feeling” in the sense of an emotion or such, I suppose closer to intuition, but in a specific way. When i say “the heart understands” I’m being abstract but, unfortunately, it’s very much a “if you know you know” situation. Basically, the way you experience life with and without faith are profoundly different, and the state of being that is “faith” is very unique and transcendent compared to any other earthly or spiritual state. I say this as an ex-occultist which is just to emphasize I’m aware of a range of spiritual states one can enter, but faith in God is the most felicitous. And the Qur’an, if put into practice, and of course if God Wills it, may leave you fortunate enough to receive that blessing of the heart. But I totally understand if I just sound like a nut to you, but if it helps I’m not ignorant of philosophies such as Kant, Hegel, or Plato either. I’m decently read in several traditions so maybe that can give me some credit here? I’m open to questions about my experience but I hope you understand if I don’t feel like entertaining anything crude.

[Anonymous No.15580827]

>>15580774

Eh let him be, maybe he’ll come around if he opens up to it. I imagine prelest applies to someone like Osho or John Smith. I’m very far from a saint or holy or anything really. I’m very very very lucky to have been given faith but I have my own vices to deal with.

[Anonymous No.15580828]

are you still at the store op?

[Anonymous No.15580847]

>>15580685
>it doesn’t matter where the stories come from as long as the point is made”.
Similar feel?

[Anonymous No.15580866]

>>15580847

Well people tell me God isn’t the truth all the time. But what, am I gonna give up God for people on the internet who deal with despair and existential crises when I don’t? That’s a big part of faith anon, of course people will try to call you an idiot, they can if they want. But again, where life takes them, and where it takes me is how we’ll see who made the better choice. Getting past the “I need to prove myself intellectually to people who don’t understand” phase is crucial to beIng religious imo.

[Anonymous No.15580885]

>>15580866

Oh and just to be clear, when you have faith it feels really silly when someone without it tries to say “you don’t know the truth”. Like it’s almost comically absurd but again I can’t explain how. If you get it you get it.

[Anonymous No.15580887]

>>15580759
>It’s been two years anon, almost three proper.
So? I was muslim for 11 years before I snapped out of it. I hope you will too. After about 4 years it loses its taste, then it will become ordinary. Eventually you will be pulled back to what formerly reality for you, against your choice.

[Anonymous No.15580918]

>>15580885
>Oh and just to be clear, when you have faith it feels really silly when someone without it tries to say “you don’t know the truth”
It's because you have been hypnotised, partially by your own choice. Eventually something will happen to you which will disrupt the conditioning and you will be forced to doubt.

[Anonymous No.15580922]

>>15580847
If you accept this kind of reasoning then you can't argue christianity is any truer than islam.

[Anonymous No.15580956]

>>15580866
I experienced something similar to that with my mother who believes in things like folk angels and the magic of crystals - its enabled to to be an very successful, happy and emotionally balanced person not really my place to get in the way of that.

But I do understand you, when the feelings are right questions like "why is Gods word only beautiful and understandable in one language like a human work or why doesnt God make revelations public/ in modern times" don't really matter and seem as silly as questions like how many angels can dance on a pin head.

[Anonymous No.15580957]

I personally don't know about mysticism or faith, but converting to Islam and praying five times a day totally cured my porn and masturbation addiction. I would imagine anyone who continues the prayers can cope with it easily

[Anonymous No.15580966]

>>15580918
>>15580887

I’m sorry to hear that but I think it just wasn’t meant for you. I’ve had plenty of doubts of man, when I first converted? Every day was a battle and you know, my mind STILL has plenty of doubts. But my heart understands, and that’s what I rely. If my heart every stopped understanding it would be a really terrible day! But I pray against that. I won’t try to interpret your experience, but I do encourage you to go back to God however you can, even if not with Islam, if you can find some time to reflect on what you think keeps you from Him then that will be good. Our conversation make it clear to me that we are quite different people and I do doubt that our experiences in life will be similar at all, but if there’s some similarity then hopefully it’ll be in that you are given faith in such a way that you have certainty and motivation to walk towards Him. I’m sorry if that’s overbearing or corny.

[Anonymous No.15580978]

I don't think Islam requires fideism, the Qur'an imo is a clear proof

[Anonymous No.15580979]

>>15580956

Precisely. I’m glad you get it, maybe that means something beautiful may happen to you. This type of openness is to your benefit you know.

[Anonymous No.15580987]

>>15580978

I been trying to stress that this whole time lmao. That’s why the arguments against jt are so silly it’s like bro, I don’t care if there was a story that was retold from an Egyptian goat herder, it’s too obvious that the Qur’an is what it claims to be.

[Anonymous No.15580992]

>>15580966
>my mind STILL has plenty of doubts.

Because something inside you doesn't fully accept it. It knows this religion isn't enough. You can try and make that be quiet for a while, but it will never go away.

[Anonymous No.15581011]

>>15580987
>it’s too obvious that the Qur’an is what it claims to be.

I had this friend who had schizophrenia and he reasoned like this too. You can't actually present a convincing argument as to why you believe it.

[Anonymous No.15581029]

>>15580992

You’re projecting anon, avoid that. Look, I get that Muslims look like idiots to you or whatever but at least admit that your experience doesn’t dictate everyone else’s, geeze. If you don’t know what I mean when I say “my heart understands” that’s fine, but I can’t explain it. All I can say is that if not for my heart, I would not understand anything at all. I’m going to finish this talk now though. Please take my advice, maybe it’ll be good for you.

[Anonymous No.15581052]

>>15581011

Well fortunately I don’t need to. You certainly don’t logic your way into faith I can tell you that much

[Anonymous No.15581284]

>>15581052
What is your faith based on, then? A feeling? Feelings can change, mate. Doesn't sound very solid.

[Anonymous No.15581333]

>>15581284

see >>15580803

[Anonymous No.15582126]

>>15581029
You are just trying to convince yourself

[Anonymous No.15582183]

I'm reading the Yusuf Ali translation and it's fine I guess and easy enough to find since it's still a fairly common translation Muslims hand out. It's interesting to read after reading The Bible but I find certain parts odd like apparently it being a prophetic miracle that Muhammad could tell the story of Joseph to the pagans when there were Jews and Christians he could've easily learned the story from.